RE: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-20 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
What about the waste tails he alludes to. I had not known that they had actually constructed and tested U233 bombs - had always thought it was a hypothetical problem rather than an actual and supposedly - according to this article - a tested device. His point also that U233 does not need an

Re: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-20 8:28 GMT+02:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: What about the waste tails he alludes to. I had not known that they had actually constructed and tested U233 bombs – had always thought it was a hypothetical problem rather than an actual and

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-05-20 Thread LizR
On 20 May 2014 17:55, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The theory is invented, the maths is discovered. I'd say they're both invented. How could one discover F=k/r^a out in the world? Of course if you include your brain as a place to discover things then there ceases to be much

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-20 Thread Alberto G. Corona
falsification is a susceptible to circularity, since the data must be interpreted ever under a theory. that theory is the one that we want to test. So a nascent science can be circular at the first stages and then can grow to predict a fact , previously unknown that demonstrates that another is

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:21 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 4:56 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:33 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 11:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM, meekerdb

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 5:13 AM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:35:47 AM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:40 PM, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM,

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 19:06, meekerdb wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in that problem is more from an engineering viewpoint. What does it take to make a conscious machine and what are the advantages or disadvantages of

Re: An unusual race

2014-05-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 19:59, meekerdb wrote: Maybe Bruno would like to train an entry. LOL. Well, poor amoebas. They are social, but forcing them to race is a bit exaggerating imo :) Bruno Brent Original Message http://www.nature.com/news/the-game-is-on-1.15167 --

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 20:14, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 7:26:40 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 May 2014, at 21:16, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: Does this computer architecture assume not-comp? No. Elementary arithmetic emulates n-synchronized oscillators for all n,

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 20:40, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in that

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 20:47, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 7:40:35 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: His

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2014, at 21:33, meekerdb wrote: On 5/19/2014 11:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 10:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-05-20 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, May 19, 2014 2:13:31 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: On 5/18/2014 5:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 May 2014 10:06, John Mikes jam...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Dear Liz, thanks for your care to reflect upon my text and I apologize for my LATE REPLY. You ask about my opinion on

RE: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-20 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Quentin Anciaux Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:49 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't 2014-05-20 8:28 GMT+02:00 'Chris de Morsella'

Re: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-20 17:55 GMT+02:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Anciaux *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 11:49 PM *To:*

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-20 Thread John Ross
I look forward to your comments each day. And I try to respond the best I can. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 4:37 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: TRONNIES On 20 May

Re: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/19/2014 11:48 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: These are valid criticisms that are very much not administrative nature but cut right to the core [pun intended] of a world in which a multitude of thorium U233 breeder reactors proliferate widely. There is a risk that this unintentionally leads to

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 May 2014, at 02:21, meekerdb wrote: On 5/19/2014 4:56 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:33 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 11:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 May 2014, at 04:35, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 01:12:20PM -0400, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Accordingto Deutsch, MWI is falsifiable, with some actions of a quantum computer. These would be the heavy hitters of QC, and not the lab toys we have today,

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/20/2014 6:22 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:21 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 4:56 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:33 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/20/2014 7:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The implications might be the abandon of materialism, which is good, as it is a person eliminativist position. Then the machine's theology provides a vaccine against the reductionist conception of numbers, machines and a fortiori humans. The main

Re: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-20 18:44 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 5/19/2014 11:48 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: These are valid criticisms that are very much not administrative nature but cut right to the core [pun intended] of a world in which a multitude of thorium U233 breeder reactors

Re: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-20 Thread John Mikes
Chris, Brent and other Th-savants: (I am not one) Whatever radiates is suspect to me. Humans' world is vulnerable. Bombs? We must WANT peace very much (si vis pacem, para bellum). Suppose: someone discovers a 'good'way to make a Th-bomb (a different route from the old one) - on historical examples

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-20 Thread John Mikes
ghibbsa: falsification, testing, calculating and the entire kaboodle of our scientific (?) handling is restricted to the PRESENTLY knowable. More than yesterday's and most likely less than tomorrow's. Whatever we conclude is a time-cut fragment what we consider the 'achievable' truth. Although we

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

2014-05-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, May 19, 2014 2:40:54 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 May 2014, at 21:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:56:48 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 May 2014, at 17:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: Free Will Universe Model: Non-computability and its

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

2014-05-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:59:10 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 19 May 2014 07:37, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: You did not provide evidence that they cannot do that. His evidence was the negative answer to Hilbert's 10th problem. To be exact, it's claimed to be

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

2014-05-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:53:57 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 07:01:01PM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:34:40 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: This doesn't follow. An evolutionary algorithm with a real random source, can

Re: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/20/2014 11:45 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-05-20 18:44 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net: On 5/19/2014 11:48 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: These are valid criticisms that are very much not administrative nature but cut right to the core

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-20 Thread LizR
I haven't got much further as yet, so I'm not sure that there will be daily comments. However I did notice that one of your basic units is an e+ and an e- charged particle orbitting each other, which looks to me rather like positronium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positronium (except that I

Re: Thorium: the wonder fuel that wasn't

2014-05-20 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
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Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-05-20 Thread LizR
I am bowing out of this conversation. Obviously from many examples, Brent thinks that we invent maths whenever we work out something like elliptical orbits result from an inverse square law. This is an incorrect use of invent, IMHO, or it's at best using it in the sense that whoever it was

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread LizR
On 21 May 2014 06:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/20/2014 7:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The implications might be the abandon of materialism, which is good, as it is a person eliminativist position. Then the machine's theology provides a vaccine against the reductionist

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/20/2014 4:07 PM, LizR wrote: On 21 May 2014 06:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/20/2014 7:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The implications might be the abandon of materialism, which is good, as it is a person eliminativist position.

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-20 Thread John Ross
My understanding is that positronium is an electron and a positron orbiting together. Both of these particles are self-propelled so as long as they have enough speed they can orbit. If they somehow lose their speeds or otherwise get very close together they will annihilate each other and

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread LizR
On 21 May 2014 12:35, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Only 1% of the world views, and specifically as they bear on ethics and morals - which is where Bruno thinks the person centered view will be a big paradigm shift. OK, in that sense I agree. I also have doubts about Bruno's views on

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-20 Thread LizR
You haven't answered my main question. Is the 2-tronnie system classical, in which case my next question is how does it avoid instability? Or is it quantised, and in its ground state? (in which case I agree that there is no energy to radiate). On 21 May 2014 13:09, John Ross

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-20 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 06:09:43PM -0700, John Ross wrote: The Coulomb force between the two tronnies in the entron, if they were stationary would be F = k QQ/r squared. But when we integrate the force around the circle the integrated force becomes F(I) = k QQ/r. The attractive and