in the description of your system.
Best,
Bruno
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I have interlaced responses with - symbols.
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Hi Abram:
My sentence structure could have been better. The Nothing(s) encompass no
distinction but need to respond to the stability question. So they have an
unavoidable necessity to encompass this distinction. At some point they
spontaneously change nature and become Somethings. The
, at least.
I suspect since some time that Hal Ruhl is searching for a generative
set theory, but unfortunately he seems unable to study at least one
conventional language to make his work understandable by those who
could be interested.
This can be related with the so-called autonomous
Hi Everyone:
I have not posted for awhile but here is the latest revision to my model:
Hal Ruhl
DEFINITIONS: V k 04/03/10
1) Distinction: That which describes a cut [boundary], such as the cut
between red and other colors.
2) Devisor: That which encompasses a quantity
I believe Stephen Gould indicated evolution was a random walk with a lower
bound. It seems reasonable that the longest random walk would more or less
double in length more or less periodically i.e. exponential growth.
Hal Ruhl
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Hi Everyone:
I would like to restart my participation on the list by having a discussion
regarding the aspects of what we call “life” in our universe starting in a
simple manner as follows: [terms not defined herein have the usual “Laws of
Physics” definition]
1) Definition (1): Energy (E)
/2012 9:48 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Everyone:
I would like to restart my participation on the list by having a
discussion regarding the aspects of what we call life in our
universe starting in a simple manner as follows: [terms not defined
herein have the usual Laws of Physics definition]
1
:27 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Let me refer you to a very old paper of mine:
http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/life.html
I took a quick look. I may need some help understanding it fully. I
occasionally play with the idea that Dark Energy is a spatially
uniform leak of information
, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/2/2012 4:27 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Let me refer you to a very old paper of mine:
http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/life.html
I took a quick look. I may need some help understanding it fully. I
occasionally play with the idea that Dark Energy
Hi Stephen:
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Hi Hal,
Could it be that information is being created and forcing the
physical universe to make room for its instantiation? After all, space
is not a conserved quantity!
[HH] I think that what you mention is at least part of the source of
Hi John:
My responses are below within an edited original post. Thanks for your
comments.
1) Definition (1): Energy (E) is the ability to subject a mass to a force.
*
Re the use of ability here: What I am
Hi Stephen and John:
I believe I absorbed the evolution is a random walk with a lower bound but
no upper bound from my readings of Stephen Gould. I have no memory of
where and when and the memory may be false. In any event I do not see that
it excludes selection. I think there was an
Hi Everyone:
I would now like to expand the discussion re the two current conclusions in
the slightly edited version of the first post [below] as follows:
i) Consciousness: The origin and purpose of life herein leads me to believe
that consciousness is distributed across life entities in
Hi Everyone:
I would now like to expand the discussion re the two current conclusions in
the slightly edited version of the first post [below] as follows:
i) Consciousness: The origin and purpose of life herein leads me to believe
that consciousness is distributed across life entities in
Hi John:
See my 11/4/12 @ 4:43PM post on life re proposal ii - freewill precluded.
Hal Ruhl
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Hi Everyone:
Here are some expansions on my prior post regarding the following three
topics:
i) Consciousness: Define it for now as the detection by a life entity of the
current system energy configuration both internal and external to the life
entity sufficient to ensure its adherence to its
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Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/7/2012 9:38 AM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Everyone:
This may show up more than once as a few others did. In recent days I
have had issues with my internet connection. It has been 16 hours
Hi Roger:
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Hi Hal Ruhl
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Hi Hal Ruhl
Since life in the form of photosynthesis creates order in the form of cell
structure out of a random (entropic
/2012 11:40 AM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Stephen:
pAP1 is #8 of the discussion initiating posts
8) Conclusion (2): Once life is present it will immediately punch as
many holes in as many Energy Hang-up Barriers as the details of the
particular life entity involved allows - this is how it realizes its
Hi Roger:
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Hi Hal,
Just look at the
Hi Roger:
Roger: Talk to Dawkins. The purpose of the gene is to create more genes. So
the purpose of life (at a minimum) is to create more life.
Response from Hal: No. Life creates more life in compliance with pAP1.
A reasonable result is one heck of a mass extinction. Repeat until there
, purpose, and qualia spectrum
Hi Hal Ruhl
Sorry, I can not respond as you clipped off my previous post containing said
metaphors.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/9/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Stepen:
Interesting post.
I indicated in the initiating posts that life should rapidly appear where
the conditions supporting it are found.
I suspect that in most cases the sphere of influence for a particular
instance of a biosphere is small when compared to the size of the universe.
Hi Everyone:
At this time I would like to go a bit further re item iii:
iii) Species survival: Life on this planet is in the midst of an extinction
event [not a new idea] that can't be stopped because pAP1 would be the only
priority for life. We may not be extinguished as a species but we
I have tried to post this several times. It appears I am again having
issues with my email software. I am sorry if it eventually posts
multiple times.
Hi John and Russell:
As far as I know all the “Laws of Physics” are based on observation
and are absent closed form proof.
Given the data I
I have tried to post this several times. It appears I am again having
issues with my email software. I am sorry if it eventually posts multiple
times.
Hi John and Russell:
As far as I know all the Laws of Physics are based on observation and are
absent closed form proof.
Given the data I
This is an effort to clarify what I have said in earlier posts. I
think it strengths the idea that we have a very substantial problem on
our hands.
[Terms not defined herein have the usual “Laws of Physics” definition]
1) Definition {1}: Energy (E) is the ability to subject a mass to a
Hi Roger :
Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_distribution_in_the_United_States
Then Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_in_the_United_States
Hal
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Hi Roger:
Try this and sort by wealth Gini
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_distribution_of_wealth
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Hi Roger :
Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_distribution_in_the_United_States
Then Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_in_the_United_States
Hal
Sorry if this posts more than once - some of my posts just
Hi Roger :
Then Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_in_the_United_States
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Thus I see the model as containing, but not limited to, comp.
Well, the model is still a work in progress.
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of QM in many universes] is allowed within my model but is not
the only descriptor of universe evolution. Many evolving universes may
contain no such computational component.
Hal Ruhl
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a substantially
increased level of comprehension of economics which is actually a result of
any local physics. I can't accomplish this re most of Bruno's work since I
am definitely not adequate in the relevant logic disciplines.
Hal Ruhl
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Hi Brent:
I shall try to respond tomorrow.
Hal Ruhl
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started a FAQ for the list but the
project died.
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Hi Russell and everyone
My personal archive goes back to March of 2008 if there might be
something
in there that could help a wiki
for the list but the
project died.
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/18/2013] is at
http://arobustfuturehistory.wordpress.com/
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and thus
unavoidable extinction event built into life and it is fully effective
absent an unnatural earlier one.
Hal Ruhl
On Monday, February 10, 2014 8:33:08 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
It certainly isn't natural at the rate we've been doing it. We're coming
close to a cometary impact
do make allowance for such a possibility.
See the material I pointed to: http://arobustfuturehistory.wordpress.com/
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On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:18:57 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 11 Feb 2014, at 03:57, LizR wrote:
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always inherently self
destructive wherever it appears in any allowed universe then why is there
such a down select in the types of allowed universes.
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such processes will be implemented in any universe in which
they are possible. Since entropy has a fixed maximum in a closed system (a
universe) then life must enable its own extinction.
Yours
Hal
On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:23:58 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote:
Dear Hal Ruhl,
it has been for long since
it if it is shown to be
unrealistic] so I would deeply appreciate comments on it.
Hal Ruhl
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:28:15 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:44:17PM +1300, LizR wrote:
Yes, I think that's what Carl Sagan said about the possibility of life
posts], then how does this impact the
Everything since I see it as a restriction [selection] on the scope of
possible universes?
Comments welcome.
Thanks
Hal Ruhl
DEFINITIONS:
i) Distinction:
That which enables a separation such as a particular red from other colors.
ii
some of my recent posts], then how does this impact the
Everything since I see it as a restriction [selection] on the scope of
possible universes?
Comments welcome.
Thanks
Hal Ruhl
DEFINITIONS:
i) Distinction:
That which enables a separation such as a particular
Subject: Re: My model re Comp and Life re the Everything
On 1 April 2014 12:48, Hal Ruhl halr...@alum.syracuse.edu wrote:
Hi Bruno:
Reintroducing some mathematical terms to my model:
A distinction is a description of a boundary between two things see
definition i. As a description it is a number
it is “machine” is at least
one component of a correct and complete description of our observer
experience. This because I believe it to be a different expression part of
if not all of my approach. There may be other components but this may be
TBD.
On 01 Apr 2014, at 01:48, Hal Ruhl wrote
Hi Bruno:
On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:36:13 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hal,
Yes, we might be on the same length wave for the ultimate TOE,
Thank you
but your terming is rather terrible.
I will work on it, perhaps needing some help.
Today I tend to think of the current
my objects
because the matrix would have to have some properties.
I think that this argument as far as a material matrix goes is to a
degree along the lines of your argument but clearly I presently see
the UD as just a subset of my list's dynamic.
Hal Ruhl
description and object. Objects interact by mutually
changing just one property - their location on a Physical Reality
dimension. The change is just a shifting of boundaries between sublists.
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The idea is presented below and its result appears to be to exclude
continuums from universes.
Assumptions:
1) There is a list of all possible properties of objects.
The above object #1 is countable by definition
?
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properties
remain fixed. I also think that Bruno's comp model might fit inside
such a multiverse since some of the object sequences could be
associated with the trace of a UD.
Hal Ruhl
At 06:59 PM 12/31/2006, you wrote:
Hal,
so yhou look at it... (at what?) - anyway from the standpoint
be life - and even beyond that -
SAS friendly.
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Yours
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One thing that I do
.
Lets us say that you are correct about this
result re your model, this just seems to
reinforce the idea that it is a sub set in order
to avoid the information generating selection in the full set.
Yours
Hal Ruhl
At 11:30 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
Le 05-févr.-07, à 00:46, Hal Ruhl a écrit
Hi Bruno:
At 06:23 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
Le 06-févr.-07, à 05:25, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
Hal Ruhl writes:
Hi Bruno:
I do not think I fully understand what you are saying.
Suppose your model bans white rabbits from its
evolving universes - meaning I take it that all
Hi John:
Long ago there was some effort to write a FAQ for
the list. Perhaps we should give it another try.
Hal Ruhl
At 11:30 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
Hal and list:
I do not think anybody fully understands what
other listers write, even if one thinks so.
Or is it only my handicap?
John M
Just to clarify - in the metaphor a UD trace that assigns a Hyper
Existence of say 0.2 does so to all states it lands on because the
UD is that type of UD.
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I think the idea before was to provide an acronym
list and also give each person or like minded
group a limit of a few pages in the FAQ document
in which to present a summary of their point of view.
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At 11:59 AM 2/7/2007, you wrote:
Hal:
you really believe that anybody could
Hi Jason:
I want to thank you for you work re a centralized place to keep the
various essences of the list and their variations.
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At 04:23 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
Le 07-févr.-07, à 02:45, Hal Ruhl a écrit :
Given an uncountably infinite number of objects generated from a
countably infinite list of properties and an uncountably infinite
number of UD's in the metaphor I can not see an issue
related successions are allowed. Successions
displaying any degree of randomness are also allowed.
I would like to finish the walk through of my
model before discussing white rabbits and observation.
Yours
Hal Ruhl
At 09:49 AM 2/12/2007, you wrote:
Hi Hal,
Le 12-févr.-07, à 03:37, Hal Ruhl
Hi John:
This is what brought me to the idea that while
all objects have simultaneous existence they
also can have degrees of hyper existence. Hyper
existence is like a tag that indicates states
that are, those that are becoming, and those
that have recently been [so to speak].
Hal Ruhl
Hi Bruno:
At 05:43 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote:
Le 18-févr.-07, à 03:33, Hal Ruhl a écrit :
Hi Bruno:
In response I will start with some assumptions central to my approach.
The first has to do with the process of making a list.
The assumption is:
Making a list of items [which
. The inconsistency is inherited by the
dynamic so the dynamic has a random content.
All levels of randomness of trips to completeness are allowed.
A UD trace if I understand it correctly would be equivalent to a
Nothing on a reasonably monotonic trip to completeness.
Yours
Hal Ruhl
At 12:10 PM 2/20
Hi Youness:
I have been posting models based on a list of properties as the
fundamental for a few years.
Hal Ruhl
At 06:36 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote:
On 13 Sep., 19:44, Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Youness Ayaita wrote:
This leads to the
2nd idea:
We don't say that imaginable
- if present - would therefore mostly observe
small changes.
Hal Ruhl
At 02:22 AM 9/17/2007, you wrote:
Thank you for this remark, Hal. Indeed, you mentioned very similar
ideas:
List of all properties: The list of all possible properties
objects can have. The list can not be empty since
:
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Hi Youness:
Bruno has indeed recommended that I study in more detail the
underlying mathematics that I may be appealing to. The response that
I have made may be a bit self serving but at this point in my life I
am having difficultly
or another resolution of a meaningful
question the current system has insufficient content to otherwise
resolve. So the process is mathematical but not mathematical
system specific. By duration re the Nothing I do not intend a time
factor but something more like a resource.
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over and over forever.
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There would be only one possible maximum size transitions and many
possible small ones.
In this approach large transitions that resemble White Rabbits would
be uncommon and patternless White Rabbit events should not exist.
Hal Ruhl
Everything are of course members of the
ensemble but I see nothingness as a multiplicity [or set] of
various other members since nothingness can have various sub texts.
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for any sub
component of the Something including what one might call an
observer. I may need to reconsider when I get to that point in
Russell's book but my time restraints force me to take considerable
time doing so.
Hal Ruhl
At 02:21 PM 1/16/2008, you wrote:
Hi Hal,
This topic interests me
in which the term need goes back to supporting a spirit-based system.
Again the need is as a mass responding to the forces applied.
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Hi George:
I see no motivator to any dynamics within the Everything other than
the incompleteness of some of its members and the unavoidable
necessity to progressively resolve this incompleteness.
Hal Ruhl
At 12:29 AM 1/17/2008, you wrote:
Hal Ruhl wrote:
This is an automatic process
Hi George:
I see no feeling of anything in a Something. There is only an
absence of the information needed to answer meaningful questions that
are asked and must is be answered.
Hal Ruhl
At 11:13 PM 1/17/2008, you wrote:
Hal,
Allright. You are saying that incompleteness is the (only
the
Everything or in/of any of its sub sets.
Hal Ruhl
At 07:48 AM 1/20/2008, you wrote:
George and Hal:
Why does a question emerge? Why does it 'imply' to be answered? (I
avoid 'why do we feel') Where did 'incompleteness' occur from?
All these are very 'human' concepts and we impersonate them
aspects of the information dynamic
appear to originate from the history of the dynamic for a particular
Something and its resultant current incompleteness.
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Well its a first try.
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be [incompleteness] by the Q(i).
Are aspects also types of distinctions? Information could be
called a distinguisher I suppose, but I currently prefer divisor as
in that which lies between, or outlines distinguishables.
Hal Ruhl
At 09:02 AM 2/11/2008, you wrote:
Hal,
I lost you 2) - 13): I cannot
direction.
I agree.
Of course this finite amount of time will be
observer dependent,
How do you mean that. I do not see that state dwell duration differs within
a given universe. I also do not see a fixed value even for a particular
universe.
Hal Ruhl
Hi Russell:
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 09:35:47PM -0500, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Russell:
In response to Jason you wrote:
An OM is a state of a machine. In as far as the machine is embedded
in space, the the OM is spread across space. Successive OMs involve
state change,
In my model
). It would be interesting to see how
different the perspective is.
Indeed.
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to be information processing.
I will accept that for now.
Importantly it seem to move the two points of view closer together
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from this derivation
consciousness is not a requirement in order to have a process but may be
present. Also from this derivation, the process is an inseparable part of
the system.
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during the S(i) to S(i+1)
transition.
12) The selector mechanism can be the simplest possible or be an ensemble of
components ranging from simple to very complex. Some could be complex
enough to be SAS.
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How does this affect the site? I was hoping to use it this winter.
Yours
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is a
random walk with a lower bound and no upper bound.
The above pressure will always quickly jump start life at the lower bound
in such universes by rolling the dice so to speak as much as necessary to
do so.
Hal Ruhl
At 10:13 PM 5/31/2005, you wrote:
Norman Samish wrote:
[Responding
of states within the string can be compressed into a few
simple rules [such as this string?]. There is no
observation in this dynamic, but rather just a
flow [not necessarily steady] of being.
Hal Ruhl
, etc.
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to
states as they pass through the boundary [Being].
4) The width of the boundary determines the pulse width of Being over the
dimension of closely coupled states [continuity etc.]
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