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From: Mandrake Linux Security Team [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MDKA-2003:030 - Updated rpm packages fix database locking
bug
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Eric from what I've seen and also from Hans' own mouth with the
current version of Rieserfs it's the preferred method.
In fact I'm so used to reiserfs being mounted
notail,noatime
Allrighty. We'll see how it does tomorrow when i reboot. I'm too
sleepy right now...
eric
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$ uptime
2:44pm up 154 days, 2:54, 2 users, load average: 0.24, 0.05,
0.02
This is from a (Mdk 8.2) box thats already hit the 497 day Jiffie
wrap limit...
Wat's that?
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In fact I'm so used to reiserfs being mounted
notail,noatime
Allrighty. We'll see how it does tomorrow when i reboot.
It does seem to be quieter.
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:31:26 -0800
Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ echo $PATH
/usr/local/bin/:/home/jack/bin/:/usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver/:/sbi
n/:/usr/sbin/:/usr/local/sbin/:/usr//bin:/bin:/usr/bin::/usr/loca
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:18:28 -0800
Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the problem box did not have bash-completion in the RPM list, so I
just added bash-completion-20030821-3mdk.noarch.rpm and checked
that bash is at 2.05b-14mdk on several boxes. The double-slashes
are now gone, but it
Of course, that doesn't anything to do with it though. A simple
count of 100Hz ticks would fill an unsigned 32 bit integer in 497
days, 2 hours, 27 minutes, 52.96 seconds.
After which it would wrap around to zero.
Interestingly enough Windows 95 had almost exactly the same
situation, but
This is maddening. It is enough, literally, to drive me to
uninstall MDK 9.2 and go SuSE 9.0. I have no sound in 9.2 on my
desktop.
Has anyone run into this and found a fix? I tried installing the
9.1 kernel-src-2.4.21-0.13mdk rpm but it will not build on 9.2.
Errors all over the
I had a similar effect some time ago on a SuSE box. In my case I
could make that repeating disk access to stop by mounting that
specific *reiserfs* partition with the 'noatime' option.
Is there any problem with setting the fs to noatime? It keeps the
file access time from being updated.
Do
What is reading/writing on my harddrive every 5-6 seconds?
If I go to runlevel 3, whatever it is, stops.
Runlevel 5 uses Kde 3, so it must be something in there.
I turn every app I see off, but still no result.
Thanks all for suggetions.
I see in fstab that my floppy and cd:s are
I quickly looked thru the top man page, but didn't find anything.
Is there a program like top that will show hardrive activity base on
process? Ideally it would just be a column in the top readout. This
would be useful in Björn's hard drive noise thread, too.
thanks,
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Thx. Do I have tp set anything special for anacron? Do I need to
run it also as a demon?
If you like the gui:
run the mandsrake control center (mcc at the cli)
system
drakxservices in upper right
then select anacron for boot, and might as well hit start too (to
run it now).
Want to buy
RE anacron
Just install it. It will start as a service automatically. No
config is necessary
derek
Whoops. I guess it's not installed and shut off, my last email
doesn't make much sense...
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Hi folks,
I am in a pinch: i have all of a sudden started getting all bounces
from newbie (since i am listed as an owner to help with subbing
and unsubbing).
So, i am getting one bounce for every bad address for every post!
Does anyone know how to filter on the body text (and attachment
text) in
Thanks for the quick reply.
Does anyone know how to filter on the body text (and attachment
text) in sylpheed?
Configuration - Filtering - Condition - Define - Match Type -
Body Part
(It's tough to *do* it and type it at the same time.)
I know what you mean...
If that is not
I think people are supposed to ignore these posts in order to
encourage the offender to repost properly. I unfortunately let
myself be rude instead, for which I apologize.
The problem with that is that many people don't know about hijacking
until they are told, so i think it is best to speak
You can also check out
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi
on the twiki.
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Whichever comes sooner, when people stop hijacking threads on this
mailing list or when hell freezes over. Ooops, I'm sorry, was
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In case you don;t know what hijacking is:
check out #3 at
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This is just a friendly note about hijacking.
See #3 at
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette
(gee, that was still in my kill ring...)
eric
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:57:38 +0100
Paolo Bonavoglia [EMAIL
Try watching a mail session with ethereal sometime... it's just
telnet to port 25, though a server is faster and has fewer typos
than a human.
You can send mails though, -- I posted an example of
how to do it earlier today, with the Dead Kennedies quote, but I
think it's still floating
On my comcrap, i seem to have a choice: run acpi or run the
paralell port. i can't do both...
eric
Have you tried removing acpi from your lilo?
Yeah, i have a choice:
acpi=on and then no parallel port,
or
acpi=off, and then the comp doesn't shut down.
Not sure what acpi=ht means.
Yeah, i have a choice:
acpi=on and then no parallel port,
or
acpi=off, and then the comp doesn't shut down.
Not sure what acpi=ht means. I'll hae to check it out
This is all under 9.1.
eric
Hmm... I don't pretend to know about kernel stuff, but it seems
odd that
Sympa doesn't always tell us when it /dev/null's a mail. I have
an email i have sent over a dozen times, but it just doesn't go
thru, and i get no errors
funny thing is, it sent a copy back to me :-)
That's the sympa we know and love...
You guys will probably
get mine in
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:48:46 -0800 (PST)
Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had acpi=ht; I removed that line altogether and added noapic
for kicks.
By the way, which is it? ACPI or APCI? Or are they two different
things?
APIC: Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller
ACPI:
Well, that would be a hijack.
It's ok: everybody does it a couple of times.
Chesk out #3 at
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette
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James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ACPI Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
APCI Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller
errr APIC sorry.
Now this is getting freaky. This thread showed up several months
ago on newbie (i think) and i swear i wrote exactly what you did
I just upgraded to 9.2 though, and noticed that when I
shutdown the machine, it actually powered all the way off; instead
of just stopping at the end and waiting for me to turn it off.
Do you have a printer hooked up to the paralell port? If so check
and see if it works.
On my comcrap, i
I just upgraded to 9.2 though, and noticed that when I
shutdown the machine, it actually powered all the way off; instead
of just stopping at the end and waiting for me to turn it off.
Do you have a printer hooked up to the paralell port? If so check
and see if it works.
On my comcrap, i
There are definitely newbies that join expert, and may times we
have seen inadvertant hijacking, reply-tos and all the other
etiquette no-nos here. (i added the inadvertant because we're
hijacking as we type! This was an advertant hijack though...)
You're right, of course. I took it
When I print to PDF file - where does it end up?
Actually, I tried it from a VMWare session (WinXP) through Samba
to the shared Print to PDF printer . . . It seemed to print but
I can not find where the file is!
Well, i don't print thru samba, so this may not help, but whenever i
do print
We have to try to find a way of getting people to use the TWiki.
One of the main reasons for making it was to avoid the constant
FAQs. This one, for instance has been covered there for ages.
What can we do the make it more visible to users?
Eric is now sending out regular introductory
Indeed, I have the same audio chip set, and after a few hours
research, I eventually realized that the sound volume was set
to zero in aumix..
Is there a such thing as aumixer in addition to aumix, or is that a
typo on the twiki? (for now i put aumix next to it)
This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that
something different?
yup
Would that be a yup to the LSB, or a yup to something different?
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LOL! yup it's something different, or yup that's what LSB means?
Now you're scaring me, man!
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James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If we keep putting stuff in the TWiki we are going to have to
stop
saying check the archives and start saying check the TWiki
*grin*
That will be a good day, won't it?:)
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I'd say you have Virus Protection set to Yes in the BIOS.
What's that, where the bios doesn't allow you to run or even look at
Windows partitions? :)
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You could copy and paste most of your email to:
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UrpmiUpgrade
Doing that right now. Hope not to screw up the wiki too much.
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UrpmiUpgradeIssues
That's a helpful page, Luca. Thakns for posting it.
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This came up before. Verisign actually sold the domain
localhost.com, bloody arses that they are.
Two sol'ns came up, tell your browser not to autmatically append
.com to addresses, or use 127.0.0.1 instead.
How you tell your browser not to append .com would vary according
to the
127.0.0.1 worked fine. I'm using Mozilla-Firebird and could not
find how to disable. I do have the extension that lets me modify
all prefs, just could not find it.
Hmm... I just now read closely enough to see you use firebird. Which
version?
Do you have Webmin set to run at startup? (it
Webmin set itself up to run at boot. I will leave it, but I wish
it would load on demand or when requested I guess it is.
Yeah, that's the key for me.
I swear it used to load on demand, but maybe i am smokin it...
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Firebird is 0.7. I do have a ton of extensions loaded, but could
not fine the one to stop www. and .com being added. I found that
the backslash after the localhost ip solved it, i.e.
https://127.0.0.1:1/
Here are the ones i modified:
browser.fixup.alternate.enabled false
For anyone not on the mailing list:
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Date: 28 Oct 2003 05:41:13 -
From: Mandrake Linux Security Team [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MDKA-2003:021 - Updated kernel packages problems with
LG-based CD-ROM drives
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It had hit cooker 3 times instead. I will reply to GC and tell
him. I think its really time to fix sympa ;)
I am surprised it made it to expert at all with cooker in the To
field. I have never seen an email go to more than one mandrake
list.
From bugzilla:
going to about:config in firebird and setting
keyword.enabled to false kept localhost from keywording to spams
are us.
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I have always used the Index link on the blue bar, but
the problem there is that it just does not stand out. Is it
possible to make that entry bold? I presume it is on a page
template, somewhere.
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/WebPreferences defines the
title bar.
It's not
When I get some time later, I will make a new page with a proposed
home page layout, that way, you can see what I am talking about
without changing anything just yet.
That's cool. I was planning to start trimming the home page and
moving a lot of the TWiki stuff to contributing. If that's
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 04:40 pm, Kwan Lowe wrote:
PS Is /mnt/cdrom using the size of /?
Yes. /mnt/cdrom is just a directory on your root filesystem.
You could make /mnt/game a symlink to a directory on your /home
partition and then copy and start the game from there. Does it
I was poking around on the community twiki tonight and I am not
sure I came back with an entirely positive experience. I really
don't want to be negative, but I also want to give some feedback
that I hope those of you that have worked so hard will find
constructive.
Well, feedback is what
Once I get to the Index, I think the organization is good, it is
just very hard to find the index.
I added a Table Of Contents link at the very upper right.
I think it is very easy to find. Not sure thet Knowledge Base is
the best name for the section.
What do you think?
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Thanks for the great summary. It's exactly what i needed.
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My daughter gets her email through Mozilla on windows98. She
carefully deletes everything that she doesn't recognise as genuine
mail. She runs antivirus and keeps it up to date. Still she
keeps getting virused emails in from the people who are on a
mailing group that she must use - the
rikona uses The Bat!.
It's the one that adds the number in
brakcets to the subject line.
Why *does* it do that?
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EH Why *does* it do that?
It's the default, but does seem to confuse some clients. If you
all would rather have it off, I'll turn it off.
The only time it causes trouble is when i delete parts of threads.
After that, the mails get grouped in different places.
No biggie, but would be a
I don't understand how she gets them on mozilla. i thought
mozilla was smart enough not to run stuff w/o permission?
What are the virii taking advantage of? Is it an html issue?
There are virii that use Java, Javascript, Flash, you name it, and
then there's the evil code masquerading
But why is the OS running attachments in an email w/o the user
saying so?
Mozilla, Edit Preferences Advanced Scripts and Plugins,
she's probably got them enabled for mail and news reader. If that
isn't enabled, then they shouldn't be able to do anything, but if
it is enabled then
In preferences/Navigator choose the smart browsing link.
firebird doesn't seem to have that option...
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Hello,
How can i search the names of rpms, and show the summary and
description?
If i urpmf, it appears to search more.
What i'd like is a command line version of what rpmdrake does: once
i get it open, it very nicely shows only packages with nmh (for
example) in the
name and i can quickly
Every once in awhile, if i go to webmin (which i have bookmarked as
https://localhost:1/
or
https://127.0.0.1:1/
i get
http://www.netbreakthroughs.com/
instead which is some insidious spam promoting site (don't click it
unless you are really curious).
I am behind a linksys
Every once in awhile, if i go to webmin (which i have bookmarked
as
https://localhost:1/
Yep ... like the id10t's that they are verisign actually sold
localhost.com. Disable the autmatically add www and .com to a
name if the domain is not found. feature under smart browsing.
I have a corrupt tar file from way back:
Try running file against the archive to determine if it's
actually a tar archive:
file KEEP.TAR
It's definitely a tar file.
Let's see what file says (never used that before) :
/stuff/keep_huff_sort/NewDir $ file KEEP.TAR
KEEP.TAR: POSIX tar
Recently there wa sa flurry on how to upgrade, so i compiled it and
put it here:
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UrpmiUpgrade
If i got anything wrong, please let me know or fix it. (i plan to
use the page when i get around to upgrading!)
eric
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I suddenly can no longer send emails from my local
mailserver. Is THIS getting through?
The best way to test this is usu to look at the archive:
http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/
That way, you can tell w/o waiting for a response or getting it
yourself.
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I have a corrupt tar file from way back:
/stuff/keep_huff_sort/NewDir $ tar -xvf KEEP.TAR
keep/
keep/c/
keep/c/arrays.c
tar: Skipping to next header
tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
Emacs can see the file all the way thru, but i
EH That's the silly part: we're not really even asking for
EH development. We just want them to get rid of the rejection of
EH non IE browsers. It would mean *less* work and less code if
EH they didn't put it in to begin with.
I think it would be more work. They'd have to test it with
is that for real? the barbie stuff?
Absolutely! In fact there is also a companion South Park version
in which fsck is spelled correctly. ;-)
LOL!
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The more honest ones have admitted they can't justify
developing for more than IE, given the huge REPORTED market share.
With so many people using spoofing, it just makes the market share
look even bigger than it is. We can't win for loosing.
That's the silly part: we're not really even
Honestly, maybe I don't hang out in the right places or something,
but my wife and I do almost everything online using Mozilla and
Galeon and hardly ever run into this problem. It's been at least a
year since the last time I had to show her how to spoof a browser
ID with Konqueror.
It still
I am DETERMINED to get past their nonsense and access my account
information USING KONQUEROR DAMNIT! So there. It does still
happen, this nonsense, and spoofing a browser doesn't always
work.
praedor
oops forgot an example page
http://supportwizard.com
This works fine with
Well, Eric,
Thanks for the tip, XFCE4 installs just fine under Cooker 9.2, but
it will not run. I installed everything, Xtart cannot see it, it
does not show up as a WM in any other WM menu. I tried from a
terminal within blackbox, I'm at a loss. No error messages,
nothing, just command
I have recently joined the Mandrake Club haveing been a lomg term
SuSE
Welcome!
trait. Every time the PC is booted when I open sylpheed for the
first time it always complains that it can't find the address book
and about ecery other time it makes me go through the full first
time setup.
I keep jumping between BlackBox and IceWM. Even on a P4 1.3GHz,
512Mb RAM, I love the quickness of a simple WM.
Have you tried http://pekwm.org/ (my favorite)
XFCE4 (rpms at http://clevername.homeip.net/xfce4/ ) ?
They are also realy fast. XFCE4 is more of a desktop, pekwm is just
a wm.
Note this, I'm not complaining one bit. However I'm in a bit of a
quandry in that I can't find
1. The pages I put up before.
Hmm... Which pages were they? It is possible they were added to
other pages cut and paste style, and even more possible that they
were moved around. If you do a
I have a question for some of you, who may be closer to the
Mandrake happenings: it is my understanding that a direct
purchase from Mandrake is much more helpful to them than a regular
store one.
From what i hear, the best way to support them is thru the club and
download, if that's an
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:13:47 +0200
Wolfgang Bornath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. /etc/rc.d/init.d/numlock has to be run on boot. If you boot
into runlevel 5 (multiuser graphical environment) then you have in
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d a link like @S85numlock which points to
/etc/init.d/numlock
2. You
I have the numlock rpm installed and numlock is enabled during
boot. When I startx though, I lose numlock. I think it used to
work, to tell the truth though, I´ve been too busy to really think
about it.
I have the same problem. I think it *might* have started with a
recent X update?
I use
I preparation for the coming of 9.2, is the proposed Anthill
bug tracking system going to be available/used?
This is part of the reason I've been so busy in the last 2 weeks..
doing some frantic bug squishing in the Anthill code to make it
ready.
So, will there be aplace to report
Yeah that's me thanks. BTW, just some nitpicking--VMWare should
be spelled as VMware. Perhaps you may want to change that too?
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/VmWare
In the Twiki if you want something not normally a link to
become
a link do this [[this is now a link]]
And only WikiWords work with the treeview commands.
Sooo, a page named VmWare works, VMware doesn't.
Right, but that's only for the page. You can use something like
this:
[[VmWare][VMware]] which will link to the page VmWare but will
display VMware to the browser (but will still be
I have one last question. Is there any way to invoke multiple
%TREEVIEW% commands on one page? Maybe it is just a bug, but when
i try, only the first one works.
I looked around the twiki help, but didn't find an answer..
Well, i looked some more, and it does appear to be a bug:
Would a link to one of the many copies of RFC 1855 such as
this one be relevant here? It could be quoted as a more
thorough authority.
HTML
http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3
Not to be a spoil sport but isn't this a bit much? 6 or 7
points and requests from
Would a link to one of the many copies of RFC 1855
I personally also prefer the informal.
But, if someone reads our entire list and gets to a link at the
bottom, they can, if interested, look into it more. We could
expand the The 'rules' of internet usage... line to emphasize
There's an interesting article at
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html?ca=dgr-lnxw04BootFaster
That is an interesting article.
So, if paralelling speeds things up, doesn't that mean that some
processes are waiting for hardware? Or do intel chips actually
Paralleling obviously works great for human interaction (one web
page loading while reading another). But if the processes are using
up all the cpu, paralleling shouldn't help unless there is a piece
of hardware/peripheral it's waiting for, right?
once the kernel's up, you've got a
I'm only going to tell you one more time about hijacking threads,
then I am going to get very, very, very angry.
what do you mean by saying that the author of this email 'hijacked'
the thread? PLEASE be aware, I'm not trying at all to get in any
conflict, I just really don't know what
not really... first, we must define what busy is :-) I have an
impatient daughter standing at my elbow
speaking of busy...
Processes aren't always bottlenecked by CPU, and the well behaved
ones will let go of CPU when they're waiting on something else.
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Would a link to one of the many copies of RFC 1855 such as this
one be relevant here? It could be quoted as a more thorough
authority.
HTML
http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3
Plain Text
If you notice X starts up
even though the entire init process is not complete and in fact
you can actually start logging in before the init is finished.
I have noticed that. I wish they would do more multitasking like
that.
What i didn't realize was that a lot of the startup programs
Would a link to one of the many copies of RFC 1855 such as this
one be relevant here? It could be quoted as a more thorough
authority.
HTML
http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3
Plain Text
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
Done, thanks
What? No You gotta start Wiki-ing
Is there any way to get this sort of thing in the welcome letters?
I have to admit, i didn't know about hijacking til the 1st time i
turned threading on and saw my own hijack
Excellent idea. Maybe something about unsetting 'Reply-To:', as well.
:)
I had planned to put a list
Eric, I still have a text file that I used when asked to reply to the
hijack problem. If you get started on the etiquette page, I'll put
that on if you like.
That would be great! Your responses on hijacking have been more
complete than mine...
Here is the etiquette page:
Oh and it seems that Outlook is really affected by this. One of our
people sent an e-mail to 8 of us. One e-mail addy was mistyped. Yep
you guessed it every 5 minutes or so it kept resending the e-mail
because the Verisign site didn't return an error properly. It didn't
stop sending
Sylpheed-Claws has such a plug-in to tell me when I have mail.
Scared me to death the first time everything flashed. Thought kde
had suffered a cardiac thing.
I got a good chuckle out of your post.
I unplugged it. I always have new mail.
Hey, so do i :)
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I have seen 3 hijacked threads today.
Please, when you want to start a new thread in a mailing list, click
new.
If you click reply and then change the subject, the email shows up in
the middle of the thread.
Is there any way to
Around here (it was Borders i think) Mandrake 9.0 was on the shelf nect
to RedHat. I noticed it just before 9.1 came out, and i didn't get the
idea it just showed up. Of coure, i live in pasadena, california, 1
mile from where the old US Mandrake office was...
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Back in version 8 and 9 I had the exact same problem! It is the mirror
you are using! I don't know why mirror sites continually get bad
images, but it is true. Try an rsync to another site.
So, does rsync help when it is all one file?
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:24:05 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 09 Sep 2003 5:55 am, Charlie wrote:
Is someone interested in ancestry of :- linux, Linux Mandrake or ?
Interesting one, that. Coming through with the Approved subject line
I was immediately suspicious, but
Whoops. UPN, which is the parent of Trek, shows it on wednesdays
(and then again on the weekend).
Other channels that pick it up show it on other days. In the US, i
think most people get it thru UPN.
Are you in the US, Eric?
Nah, I'm in California. :)
Actually, i have been told by
Sometimes i log in in the morning (i hear other people read the
paper?), and occasionally when i take a break at work i log in.
We do seem to be online at the same time often enough
Yes - you seem to be around when I would expect you to be asleep. I
guess that's why I thought UK.
*Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN*
This next wednesday the 10th, of course, being the season premier.
Uh? Am I missing something? I've been watching on Mondays on Sky1.
I understood that there wasn't going to be another season because it
had not been popular. Or is
and don't ferget tab-completion while yer at it...
Tab completion is the best ever. Including Esc ! to complete args.
type cd /u[tab]lo[tab]ga[tab] and see where it gets you.
/usr/local/games $ ll
total 0
:)
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