Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-08-11 Thread Doug Ledford
Apologies for my late reply, I was gone for a week. On Aug 1, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 08:16:50AM -0500, Doug Ledford wrote: CD in is nothing more than an analog input. PA ignores all the analog inputs other than as a digital PCM source. Treating all the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-08-11 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 20:50 -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: Which is what I currently do. However, my entry into this foray was caused by the current maintainer of gst-mixer stating that he would support it being removed from the default install image and comps. From there it's a short

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-08-01 Thread Doug Ledford
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 06:40:12AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 12:29:36AM -0500, Doug Ledford wrote: That reading in the data digitally uses non trivial amounts of PCI and CPU bandwidth. If I can't hear the difference between the two modes, then that CPU usage

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-08-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2009-08-01 at 01:01 -0500, Doug Ledford wrote: On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 06:40:12AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 12:29:36AM -0500, Doug Ledford wrote: That reading in the data digitally uses non trivial amounts of PCI and CPU bandwidth. If I can't hear

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-08-01 Thread Rodd Clarkson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 20:20 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 17:49 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: Problem is... removing or disabling PA often -does- solve a problem. Rather, it works around it. The

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-08-01 Thread Rodd Clarkson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:25 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: PA, how are they going to get fixed? Telepathy? How long do we expect people to tolerate these bugs before they move on? I agree, there's only so long that people are willing to wait. But you actually have to file a bug

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-08-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le vendredi 31 juillet 2009 à 12:54 +1000, Rodd Clarkson a écrit : On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 20:20 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 17:49 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: Problem is... removing or disabling

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-08-01 Thread Rodd Clarkson
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 11:10 +, Thomas Janssen wrote: I'd like to ask everyone to test this new volume logic. If you don't raise your voice now that some output port is not properly detected or audio is too faint then later on you won't have any right to complain. I think you do what

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-08-01 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 01:01:44AM -0500, Doug Ledford wrote: It's also things like erratic output via PA versus smooth output via analog input. This particular laptop pops and crackles every time the PCM starts/stops, while analog signals are much cleaner. There's a patch in the rawhide

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-08-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
eOn Sat, 01.08.09 00:41, Doug Ledford (dledf...@redhat.com) wrote: - and the killer argument: we don't even ship a CD player app that could make use of the analog CDDA playback path. To my konwledge there is none in the default install, nor in the entire distro. And this has

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-08-01 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 08:16:50AM -0500, Doug Ledford wrote: CD in is nothing more than an analog input. PA ignores all the analog inputs other than as a digital PCM source. Treating all the analog inputs as digital sources and not allowing the hardware to mix them to output has various

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-31 Thread Thomas Janssen
2009/7/28 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de: snip I'd like to ask everyone to test this new volume logic. If you don't raise your voice now that some output port is not properly detected or audio is too faint then later on you won't have any right to complain. I think you do what you

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-31 Thread Doug Ledford
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 04:53:25PM -0500, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Doug Ledford wrote: Every system I build still keeps the analog signal cable between the CD/DVD and the soundcard. This doesn't help if I try to watch a movie as that signal has to be decoded and then played, but for audio CDs

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-31 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 12:29:36AM -0500, Doug Ledford wrote: That reading in the data digitally uses non trivial amounts of PCI and CPU bandwidth. If I can't hear the difference between the two modes, then that CPU usage is a total waste of resources. I have other things I want my CPU to

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-31 Thread Doug Ledford
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:36:38AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 30.07.09 16:53, Matthew Woehlke (mw_tr...@users.sourceforge.net) wrote: Doug Ledford wrote: Every system I build still keeps the analog signal cable between the CD/DVD and the soundcard. This doesn't help if I

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-31 Thread Doug Ledford
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 01:28:58AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 30.07.09 19:06, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: Doing digital grabbing of is very reliable these days. The analog path is just completely obsolete. I guess it's an open

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-31 Thread Doug Ledford
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 09:54:29PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: And also, please paste a dump of amixer -c0 for your HDA card so that we can see that it includes a CD control. Sorry, but... $ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Intel ]:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Doug Ledford
On Jul 29, 2009, at 6:48 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote: Karel Zak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Yes. You cannot select them as record source, you cannot mute or unmute them, you cannot

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Doug Ledford
On Jul 28, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 14:32, Ben Boeckel (maths...@gmail.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: Please note that it is our intention not to wrap obsolete mixer controls such as CD, PC Speaker, MIDI and so on. If you file a bug asking for

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Doug Ledforddledf...@redhat.com wrote: Agree 1000%.  As another kernel engineer that's done sound hardware amongst other things, if you want to duplicate hardware mixing in my CPU I'm going to toss you out on your ear.  The amount of CPU PA wastes already

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Michal Schmidt
Dne Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:35:54 -0400 Dr. Diesel napsal(a): On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Lennart Poettering On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik wrote: Any developer who claims always use software mixing or always use hardware mixing is a young, inexperienced fool. There are valid

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Doug Ledford
On Jul 30, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Colin Walters wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Doug Ledforddledf...@redhat.com wrote: Agree 1000%. As another kernel engineer that's done sound hardware amongst other things, if you want to duplicate hardware mixing in my CPU I'm going to toss you out

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
Hi, On Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 16:19, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:14 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: But whatever. Just please stop imposing pulseaudio on those who don't want to use it. For the record, I'm still considering leaving Fedora because - as

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 17:27, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 16:46 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: Dominik, if you don't want to use PA, remove only alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, then the default ALSA output won't be redirected to PA. You can leave pulseaudio package

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 16:49 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: Removing pulseaudio daemon from disk would ensure that it cannot be started behind your back by one sound library or another. Hence my gripe about not being able to remove it without sacrificing functionality that is not

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:41:34AM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: Not hardware up mix/down mixing, but hardware mixing. And as my other post points out, I make use of it and have no intent of ever not using it. Right now I simply use gst-mixer to enable the mixing behind PA's back. I

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Doug Ledford wrote: Every system I build still keeps the analog signal cable between the CD/DVD and the soundcard. This doesn't help if I try to watch a movie as that signal has to be decoded and then played, but for audio CDs it is still a perfectly acceptable means of playing the music. So I'm

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Lennart Poettering wrote: Modern sound card designs don't do hw mixing anymore, it's like fm synthesis or wavetable audio. /me misses fm synth :-) (At least, I'm still looking for something that will turn a MIDI into a .wav/.ogg/etc that sounds like an SB16... DOS MIDI player in dosbox is

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 30.07.09 17:09, Matthew Woehlke (mw_tr...@users.sourceforge.net) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: Modern sound card designs don't do hw mixing anymore, it's like fm synthesis or wavetable audio. /me misses fm synth :-) (At least, I'm still looking for something that will turn a

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 30.07.09 16:53, Matthew Woehlke (mw_tr...@users.sourceforge.net) wrote: Doug Ledford wrote: Every system I build still keeps the analog signal cable between the CD/DVD and the soundcard. This doesn't help if I try to watch a movie as that signal has to be decoded and then played, but

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Jeff Garzik
Lennart Poettering wrote: Doing digital grabbing of is very reliable these days. The analog path is just completely obsolete. I guess it's an open question why HDA touts multi-analog and hw mixing as modern features, then :) Modern hardware isn't all PCM either... Jeff --

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Jeff Garzik
Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 30.07.09 19:06, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: Doing digital grabbing of is very reliable these days. The analog path is just completely obsolete. I guess it's an open question why HDA touts multi-analog and hw mixing as

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 30.07.09 19:37, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 30.07.09 19:06, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: Doing digital grabbing of is very reliable these days. The analog path is just completely obsolete. I guess

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 30.07.09 17:09, Matthew Woehlke (elided) wrote: Please do not quote my e-mail address unobfuscated in message bodies. Lennart Poettering wrote: Modern sound card designs don't do hw mixing anymore, it's like fm synthesis or wavetable audio. /me misses fm

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Ben Boeckel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 30.07.09 19:06, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: Doing digital grabbing of is very reliable these days. The analog path is just completely obsolete. I guess it's an open

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 30.07.09 16:53, Matthew Woehlke (elided) wrote: Please do not quote my e-mail address unobfuscated in message bodies. The analog path for CDDA is completely broken and obsolete: - It doesn't work if you have more than one cd drive Sure it does (assuming

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Jeff Garzik
Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 30.07.09 19:37, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 30.07.09 19:06, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: Doing digital grabbing of is very reliable these days. The analog path is just

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 30.07.09 20:07, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 30.07.09 19:37, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 30.07.09 19:06, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: Doing digital

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Matthew Woehlke mw_tr...@users.sourceforge.net writes: Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 30.07.09 17:09, Matthew Woehlke (elided) wrote: Please do not quote my e-mail address unobfuscated in message bodies. Why on earth not? Your email address is in plain sight in the headers. - FChE --

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-30 Thread John Poelstra
Lennart Poettering said the following on 07/30/2009 04:28 PM Pacific Time: If you cannot produce anything of that I'd recommend a good ol' cup of STFU. Lennart How much longer are we going to wait to implement http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hall_Monitor_Policy ? This is getting really

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 23:55 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: When you mean 'not wrap them', do you mean they're no longer selectable as a record source, if the hardware exports them? Yes. You cannot select them as record source, you cannot mute or unmute them, you cannot change their

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Karel Zak
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: Please note that it is our intention not to wrap obsolete mixer controls such as CD, PC Speaker,

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 15:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: In the F11 cycle there has been some criticism on how g-v-c was presenting a new minimal volume control interface. Most issues raised back then should now be fixed, except for a few which we consider strictly out of focus for us.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Felix Kaechele
Let me take the chance to thank you, Lennart. Even though PulseAudio has always been a controversial topic and there are many negative feelings about it I still think I am not the only one who really enjoys the new audio and volume control features Fedoa offers. It has really made my life easier

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Michal Hlavinka
This reminds me your note: https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519.htm l PA does not make use of hardware mixing. And I don't plan to change that. It's obsolete technology. CPUs these days come with extensions such as MMX or SSE precisely for

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka mhlav...@redhat.comwrote: This reminds me your note: https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519.htm l PA does not make use of hardware mixing. And I don't plan to change that. It's obsolete

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 12:33, Michal Hlavinka (mhlav...@redhat.com) wrote: This reminds me your note: https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519.htm l PA does not make use of hardware mixing. And I don't plan to change that. It's obsolete

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 09:46, Karel Zak (k...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: Please note that it is our

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Karel Zak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Yes. You cannot select them as record source, you cannot mute or unmute

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Michal Hlavinka
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 15:16:20 Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 12:33, Michal Hlavinka (mhlav...@redhat.com) wrote: This reminds me your note: https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519 .htm l PA does not make use of hardware

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 15:24, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Karel Zak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Yes.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski domi...@greysector.net wrote: On Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 15:24, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Karel Zak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200,

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 15:47, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:39 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: snip It's quite hypocritical of you to use an anti-open-source company (Creative) as an argument for not supporting hw mixing on one side and then touting

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Michal Schmidt
Dne Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:21:00 +0200 Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski napsal: But whatever. Just please stop imposing pulseaudio on those who don't want to use it. For the record, I'm still considering leaving Fedora because - as a GNOME desktop - it's becoming unusable without

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:14 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: But whatever. Just please stop imposing pulseaudio on those who don't want to use it. For the record, I'm still considering leaving Fedora because - as a GNOME desktop - it's becoming unusable without pulseaudio.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Jeff Garzik
Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 09:47, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: mixing is certainly the smallest part of it. Plese don't forget that mixing is not exactly the most complex operation on earth. Please don't forget that hardware mixing... is more than just mixing.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:13 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Modern sound card designs don't do hw mixing anymore, it's like fm synthesis or wavetable audio. It's simply not done in hw anymore. The only exceptions are cards for gamers, i.e. Creative cards. And uh, quite frankly those cards

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:26 +0200, Michal Hlavinka wrote: If PA eats a lot of CPU this can have many reasons, most of them have to do with the latency settings requested by the applications or that have been configured due to frequent underruns. However the actual mixing is certainly the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 16:46 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: Dominik, if you don't want to use PA, remove only alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, then the default ALSA output won't be redirected to PA. You can leave pulseaudio package installed to satisfy the dependencies. That does mean a PA daemon

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:56 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 09:47, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: mixing is certainly the smallest part of it. Plese don't forget that mixing is not exactly the most complex operation on earth. Please don't forget that hardware

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Jakma
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: I'd like to ask everyone to test this new volume logic. If you don't raise your voice now that some output port is not properly detected or audio is too faint then later on you won't have any right to complain. Is there a way to test this if

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread King InuYasha
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.comwrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:56 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 09:47, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: mixing is certainly the smallest part of it. Plese don't forget that mixing is not

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:51 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: This is supported by the zillions of forum messages asking how to fix or remove pulseaudio. Not to mention the billion post thread here on devel. In my experience, this is a more common pattern: $POOR_NEWBIE: I have a problem with audio.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Jeff Garzik
Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:51 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: This is supported by the zillions of forum messages asking how to fix or remove pulseaudio. Not to mention the billion post thread here on devel. In my experience, this is a more common pattern: $POOR_NEWBIE: I

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:51 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: This is supported by the zillions of forum messages asking how to fix or remove pulseaudio. Not to mention the billion post thread here on devel. In

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.comwrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: Removing PA is far too often jumped on as the 'obvious' fix for resolving any kind of audio problem whatsoever. Even if it had nothing to do with PA in the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:25 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: How long do we expect people to tolerate these bugs before they move on? I don't. However, for those doing support, there's better approaches than 'disable PA and carry on using the system'. There's some configuration tweaks you can make to

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 20:20, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 17:49 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: Problem is... removing or disabling PA often -does- solve a problem. Rather, it

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Karel Zak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: Removing PA is far too often jumped on as the 'obvious' fix for resolving any kind of audio problem whatsoever. Even if it had nothing to do with PA in the first place. And?  

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 15:59:58 +0200, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: When you test this, please make sure to run version 0.9.16-4.test3 of PA and 2.27.5 of gnome-media at least. Both are still stuck in Koji, aren't in Rawhide yet. mirrors2.kernel.org already has the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-28 Thread Pierre-Yves
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 15:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: When you test this, please make sure to run version 0.9.16-4.test3 of PA and 2.27.5 of gnome-media at least. Both are still stuck in Koji, aren't in Rawhide yet. Any plan to push this in F11 at some point ? (even if it stays in

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-28 Thread Ben Boeckel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lennart Poettering wrote: Please note that it is our intention not to wrap obsolete mixer controls such as CD, PC Speaker, MIDI and so on. If you file a bug asking for those to be wrapped we will disappoint you and close the bug WONTFIX.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-28 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Ben Boeckelmaths...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lennart Poettering wrote: Please note that it is our intention not to wrap obsolete mixer controls such as CD, PC Speaker, MIDI and so on. If you file a bug asking for those

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 28.07.09 16:06, Pierre-Yves (pin...@pingoured.fr) wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 15:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: When you test this, please make sure to run version 0.9.16-4.test3 of PA and 2.27.5 of gnome-media at least. Both are still stuck in Koji, aren't in Rawhide yet.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 28.07.09 14:32, Ben Boeckel (maths...@gmail.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: Please note that it is our intention not to wrap obsolete mixer controls such as CD, PC Speaker, MIDI and so on. If you file a bug asking for those to be wrapped we will disappoint you and close

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: Please note that it is our intention not to wrap obsolete mixer controls such as CD, PC Speaker, MIDI and so on. If you file a bug asking for those to be wrapped we will