Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 23:55 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > When you mean 'not wrap them', do you mean they're no longer > > > selectable as a record source, if the hardware exports them? > > > > Yes. You cannot select them as record source, you cannot mute or > > unmute them, you cannot chan

Re: fedora 11 worst then ever release

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 18:48 -0400, Ben Boeckel wrote: > I think there were missing tags. ah, that would make sense. clearly, my sarcasm detector is misfunctioning. i'll just go and beat myself around the head a bit. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwi

Re: fedora 11 worst then ever release

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 04:48 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 07/29/2009 12:37 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 13:43 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > >> With all due respect to fedoraunity and you. To me it is a serious > >> Fedora management and rel-eng mistake causing major

Re: Broken dependencies in Fedora 11 - 2009-07-28

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 23:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:29 +, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > synce-kde-0.9.1-4.fc11.ppc requires synce-serial > > vdccm-0.10.1-5.fc11.ppc requires synce-serial > > I thought I'd seen these addressed on the list before, but

Re: Testing libsatsolver on Fedora

2009-07-29 Thread yersinia
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Michael Schroeder wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm the author of the "libsatsolver" library, a library solves > package dependencies with a SAT algorithm. > This library is currently used in SUSE by YaST/zypp. I'm currently > trying to make it less SUSE specific like

Re: Orphans on the chopping block for F12

2009-07-29 Thread Frank Murphy
On 28/07/09 23:42, Mat Booth wrote: I'm fast becoming a one man Java SIG. :-/ As soon as I know how, will help you. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Karel Zak
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > > Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: > > > Please note that it is our intention not to wrap obsolete mixer > > > controls such as "CD", "

Re: Orphans on the chopping block for F12

2009-07-29 Thread Thomas Moschny
2009/7/29 Jesse Keating : > As today is the Feature Freeze, I am preparing to block all the > unblocked orphans.  This is your last chance to pick one of them up. > Those that remain unblocked at the end of my day (around UTC) will > be blocked. > > Unblocked orphan surfraw > Unblocked orphan

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 15:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > In the F11 cycle there has been some criticism on how g-v-c was > presenting a new minimal volume control interface. Most issues raised > back then should now be fixed, except for a few which we consider > strictly out of focus for us.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Felix Kaechele
Let me take the chance to thank you, Lennart. Even though PulseAudio has always been a controversial topic and there are many negative feelings about it I still think I am not the only one who really enjoys the new audio and volume control features Fedoa offers. It has really made my life easier an

question about clipboard behavior

2009-07-29 Thread Stefan Assmann
Hi all, I have a question about the standard clipboard. Highlighting some text in an app, may it be firefox, thunderbird, tomboy, whatever and then pasting it to an existing xterm with middle mouse button works. However if you open a new xterm _after_ you highlighted some text the previously hig

Re: Testing libsatsolver on Fedora

2009-07-29 Thread Michael Schroeder
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:00:17PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > Of course, that depends on whether what we have in yum is as slow as > whatever SUSE had before this. :) I doubt that. It's not an easy task to create software as slow as the 10.x update stack ;-) > ISTR that SUSE was rather infam

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 01:54:20PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > It was in my post to the last thread:: > """ > Is someone in a position to verify whether setting security flags on a > bug prevents someone who would be put in the CC list by the default cc > attribute would or would not let peopl

Re: Orphans on the chopping block for F12

2009-07-29 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:04:28AM +0200, Haïkel Guémar wrote: > gnochm, it has two co-maintainers: pertusus and wolfy, maybe one of them > would take ownership. Not me (I am not in fedora anymore, but still watch over my former packages, be it only for EPEL). Manuel (wolfy) owns already many pac

Re: Testing libsatsolver on Fedora

2009-07-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/28/2009 03:04 PM, Michael Schroeder wrote: > > Ok, solv now supports mirrorlists. Updated packages should be > available in an hour or two (depending on the build service load). Tested. Works with mirror lists atleast partially but still too slow. I have compared it with yum http://fpaste

Re: Testing libsatsolver on Fedora

2009-07-29 Thread Lorenzo Villani
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:38:06 +0530 Debarshi Ray wrote: > > Sometime ago there were some packages submitted for the Zypper stack > but the review could not be completed because it did not support 4.6 > at that time. That is me. And note that I'm submitting patches to the zypp-devel mailing list a

Re: Testing libsatsolver on Fedora

2009-07-29 Thread Lorenzo Villani
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:27:00 +0200 yersinia wrote: > > BTW, if you want a wider audience for your project, outside the narrow > circle of people involved in rpm development :=) for example, so that it > can be considered for inclusion in different distributions from OpenSUSE, > [cut] I complet

Re: Orphans on the chopping block for F12

2009-07-29 Thread Haïkel Guémar
Le 29/07/2009 11:01, Patrice Dumas a écrit : > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:04:28AM +0200, Haïkel Guémar wrote: >> gnochm, it has two co-maintainers: pertusus and wolfy, maybe one of them >> would take ownership. > > Not me (I am not in fedora anymore, but still watch over my former > packages, be

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Michal Hlavinka
> This reminds me your note: > > > https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519.htm >l > > PA does not make use of hardware mixing. And I don't plan to change > that. It's obsolete technology. CPUs these days come with extensions > such as MMX or SSE preci

Re: Testing libsatsolver on Fedora

2009-07-29 Thread Michael Schroeder
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:44:02PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 07/28/2009 03:04 PM, Michael Schroeder wrote: > > > > > Ok, solv now supports mirrorlists. Updated packages should be > > available in an hour or two (depending on the build service load). > > Tested. Works with mirror lists at

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Jeff Garzik
Karel Zak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Yes. You cannot select them as record source, you cannot mute or unmute them, you cannot change their volume. "CD", "PC Speaker", "MIDI" and so

Heads up: nautilus-cd-burner is gone

2009-07-29 Thread Bastien Nocera
In devel. Replaced by brasero in GNOME 2.26. Applications that were using libnautilus-burn should have been ported already at this stage, or deprecated. Cheers -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: > > This reminds me your note: > > > > > > > https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519.htm > >l > > > > PA does not make use of hardware mixing. And I don't plan to change > > that. It's obsolete technolo

Re: Updated Anaconda packages

2009-07-29 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/29/2009 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:51 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 07/28/2009 01:19 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 06:27:00PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: That means that you can take revisor, pungi or livecd-tools in your existing Fed

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Stephen Smalley
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 20:13 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: > Quoting Bill McGonigle (b...@bfccomputing.com): > > On 07/28/2009 04:11 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > Still, is such a change less severe than changing what root means? Is > > Fedora that committed to SELinux? What's it going to take to mak

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Jon Stanley
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Till Maas wrote: > According to the Bugzilla docs, only people that are already on the CC > list can access restricted bugs, and this can also be disabled: Correct - but everyone that has watchbugzilla is put on the CC list when the bug is created. Therefore, if

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Stephen Smalley
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 17:53 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: > On 07/28/2009 04:11 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > AFAIK SELinux introduces additional controls and does not replace or > > override existing controls. I'm pretty sure non-root still can't > > directly listen on a low-numbered port. > > For s

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Till Maas
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 14:00:23 Jon Stanley wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Till Maas wrote: > > According to the Bugzilla docs, only people that are already on the CC > > list can access restricted bugs, and this can also be disabled: > > Correct - but everyone that has watchbugzilla

Re: rpms/clutter/devel clutter.spec,1.28,1.29 import.log,1.6,1.7

2009-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:19:24 + (UTC), Itamar wrote: > Author: itamarjp > > Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/clutter/devel > Log Message: > - Obsoletes clutter-cairo > %changelog > +* Tue Jul 28 2009 Itamar Reis Peixoto - 0.9.8-3 > +- fix bz #507389 > + Hint: Merge your cvs "Log Message" and your

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread James Morris
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Stephen Smalley wrote: > So I think the only piece of the proposal that is orthogonal to SELinux > is privilege bracketing within the program (dropping caps after use). > But the changes to the file and directory permissions seem more > questionable. Once we have access con

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Stephen Smalley
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 23:01 +1000, James Morris wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Stephen Smalley wrote: > > > So I think the only piece of the proposal that is orthogonal to SELinux > > is privilege bracketing within the program (dropping caps after use). > > But the changes to the file and directo

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 12:33, Michal Hlavinka (mhlav...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > This reminds me your note: > > > > > > https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519.htm > >l > > > > PA does not make use of hardware mixing. And I don't plan to change > > that. It's

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Neal Becker
The link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community doesn't seem to work with konqueror. Just says 'loading' and nothing happens. Works in firefox. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 09:46, Karel Zak (k...@redhat.com) wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > > > > > Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: > > > > Please note that it

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: > > Karel Zak wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: >>> On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: >>> Yes. You cannot select them as record source, you cannot mute or >>

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Michal Hlavinka
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 15:16:20 Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 29.07.09 12:33, Michal Hlavinka (mhlav...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > This reminds me your note: > > > > > > > > > https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519 > > >.htm l > > > > > > PA does not make

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Stephen Smalley
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 09:10 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: > On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 23:01 +1000, James Morris wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Stephen Smalley wrote: > > > > > So I think the only piece of the proposal that is orthogonal to SELinux > > > is privilege bracketing within the program (dro

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 07/29/2009 01:59 AM, Till Maas wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 01:54:20PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >> It was in my post to the last thread:: >> """ >> Is someone in a position to verify whether setting security flags on a >> bug prevents someone who would be put in the CC list by the de

The death of rhpl

2009-07-29 Thread Jeremy Katz
We're hoping to be able to not ship rhpl for Fedora 12 -- this isn't something which is really a "feature", but it might be something that a heads up is useful for. Anyone who has a package with a dependency on rhpl should have a bug filed, 98% of them with patches, to switch to using something el

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 15:24, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: > > > > > Karel Zak wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >>> On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wro

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:39 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > It's quite hypocritical of you to use an "anti-open-source" company > (Creative) as an argument for not supporting hw mixing on one side > and then touting other "anti-open-source" companies as examples to > follow on the o

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Jeff Garzik
Lennart Poettering wrote: If PA eats a lot of CPU this can have many reasons, most of them have to do with the latency settings requested by the applications or that have been configured due to frequent underruns. However the actual /me notes the blame-shifting... mixing is certainly the sm

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Serge E. Hallyn
Quoting Stephen Smalley (s...@tycho.nsa.gov): > On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 17:53 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: > > On 07/28/2009 04:11 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > > AFAIK SELinux introduces additional controls and does not replace or > > > override existing controls. I'm pretty sure non-root still can't

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski < domi...@greysector.net> wrote: > On Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 15:24, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: > > > > > > > > Karel Zak wrote: > > >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Jeff Garzik
Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Karel Zak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Yes. You cannot select them as record source, you c

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 09:47, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: >> mixing is certainly the smallest part of it. Plese don't forget that >> mixing is not exactly the most complex operation on earth. > > Please don't forget that hardware mixing... is more than just mixing. > Modern audio hardware c

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:30:27AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > Is the same thing true of watching a person? till, I'm now watching > till-opensource.name, if you want to open a new security bug and see if > I get CC'd. I created https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514518 According to

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Steve Grubb
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 09:49:29 am Serge E. Hallyn wrote: > > There was a patch floated on selinux list circa June 2007 that would > > have allowed SELinux to directly grant capabilities. But it met a > > certain amount of resistance from people concerned about the > > implications of changing

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Joe Nall
On Jul 29, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: The same thing can happen at the moment with capabilities for an NFS rootfs, prelink killed file caps on fedora last time I checked. Makes them useless for general purpose app protection. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456105

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 10:22:56 am Serge E. Hallyn wrote: > > You can create an selinux context that is not allowed to exec, or only > > allowed to exec certain things. Or not allowed to connect to TCP > > sockets. Or pretty much anything else a normal user would otherwise be > > allowed to do.

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 07/29/2009 07:05 AM, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:30:27AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >> Is the same thing true of watching a person? till, I'm now watching >> till-opensource.name, if you want to open a new security bug and see if >> I get CC'd. > > I created https://bug

Re: fedora mini revisted

2009-07-29 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 10:17 -0400, Doug Warner wrote: > On 07/27/2009 04:33 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > So what do people want out of a Fedora Mini SIG? > > I recently got a Asus eee Pc 1005HA which was almost entirely supported > out-of-the-box with F11 (awesome!). I had to install via DVD-to-U

Re: fedora mini revisted

2009-07-29 Thread Frank Murphy
On 27/07/09 21:33, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi All, I'd like some thoughts, and some help so yes, I'm opening a can of worms :-) A while a go jkatz put out a call about support for netbooks, and I begun to step up and the idea behind Fedora Mini [1] was born before being sidetracked by shiny t

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 15:47, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:39 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > > It's quite hypocritical of you to use an "anti-open-source" company > > (Creative) as an argument for not supporting hw mixing on one side > > and then toutin

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Michal Schmidt
Dne Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:21:00 +0200 Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski napsal: > > > But whatever. Just please stop imposing pulseaudio on those who > > > don't want to use it. For the record, I'm still considering > > > leaving Fedora because - as a GNOME desktop - it's becoming > > > unusable without

Re: fedora mini revisted

2009-07-29 Thread Peter Robinson
>> Hi All, >> >> I'd like some thoughts, and some help so yes, I'm opening a can of >> worms :-) >> >> A while a go jkatz put out a call about support for netbooks, and I >> begun to step up and the idea behind Fedora Mini [1] was born before >> being sidetracked by shiny things in the corner.

Re: rawhide report: 20090729 changes

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 11:13 +, Rawhide Report wrote: > xorg-x11-server-1.6.99-21.20090724.fc12 > --- > * Tue Jul 28 2009 Adam Jackson 1.6.99-19.20090724 > - xserver-1.6.99-randr-error-debugging.patch: Dump RANDR protocol errors > to the log. > - Un-packag

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:14 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > But whatever. Just please stop imposing pulseaudio on those who don't > want to use it. For the record, I'm still considering leaving Fedora > because - as a GNOME desktop - it's becoming unusable without > pulseaudio

Re: fedora mini revisted

2009-07-29 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 21:33 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > So what do people want out of a Fedora Mini SIG? Is Fedora Mini really Fedora Netbook? If so, then I'd concentrate on: - Moblin as a spin - Hardware support is pushed into the distribution The problem space is really the same as the desk

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Jeff Garzik
Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 09:47, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: mixing is certainly the smallest part of it. Plese don't forget that mixing is not exactly the most complex operation on earth. Please don't forget that hardware mixing... is more than just mixing. Modern

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Thomas Janssen
2009/7/29 Neal Becker : > The link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community doesn't seem to work with > konqueror. Just says 'loading' and nothing happens.  Works in firefox. Confirmed with Konqueror 4.2.98 -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:12:00AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On 07/29/2009 07:05 AM, Till Maas wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:30:27AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > >> Is the same thing true of watching a person? till, I'm now watching > >> till-opensource.name, if you want to o

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:13 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Modern sound card designs don't do hw mixing anymore, it's like > fm synthesis or wavetable audio. It's simply not done in hw > anymore. The only exceptions are cards for gamers, i.e. Creative > cards. And uh, quite frankly those cards

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:26 +0200, Michal Hlavinka wrote: > > If PA eats a lot of CPU this can have many reasons, most of them have > > to do with the latency settings requested by the applications or that > > have been configured due to frequent underruns. However the actual > > mixing is certai

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 16:46 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: > Dominik, > > if you don't want to use PA, remove only alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, then > the "default" ALSA output won't be redirected to PA. You can leave > "pulseaudio" package installed to satisfy the dependencies. That does mean a PA da

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 07/29/2009 08:20 AM, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:12:00AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> On 07/29/2009 07:05 AM, Till Maas wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:30:27AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >>> Is the same thing true of watching a person? till, I'm now watching

Separating the process of translation and packaging

2009-07-29 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hello, I have been looking at possible ways to decouple the translation workflow from the packaging workflow - eg, if we want, we could install updated translations for a language later on. The usage scenarios for such a requirement are as follows: Scenario 1: At OLPC, we have few releases per yea

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:56 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 29.07.09 09:47, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: > > >> mixing is certainly the smallest part of it. Plese don't forget that > >> mixing is not exactly the most complex operation on earth. > > > > Please don't forget that

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Jakma
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: I'd like to ask everyone to test this new volume logic. If you don't raise your voice now that some output port is not properly detected or audio is too faint then later on you won't have any right to complain. Is there a way to test this if one

Trouble with koji

2009-07-29 Thread Jochen Schmitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hallo, I'm trying to make a scratch build for kaya on rawhide to fix a FTBFS. Unfortunately, I have got the lollowing error message: DEBUG util.py:256: No Package Found for ghc-editline But from my view of point this package should exist. It may

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread King InuYasha
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:56 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Wed, 29.07.09 09:47, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: > > > > >> mixing is certainly the smallest part of it. Plese don't forget that > > >> mixing is not exactly th

Re: Trouble with koji

2009-07-29 Thread Mike Bonnet
On 07/29/2009 06:09 PM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > Hallo, > > I'm trying to make a scratch build for kaya on rawhide to fix a FTBFS. > > Unfortunately, I have got the lollowing error message: > > DEBUG util.py:256: No Package Found for ghc-editline > > But from my view of point this package shoul

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:51 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: > This is supported by the zillions of forum messages asking how to fix > or remove pulseaudio. Not to mention the billion post thread here on > devel. In my experience, this is a more common pattern: $POOR_NEWBIE: I have a problem with audi

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 07:12 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On 07/29/2009 07:05 AM, Till Maas wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:30:27AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > >> Is the same thing true of watching a person? till, I'm now watching > >> till-opensource.name, if you want to open a n

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Jeff Garzik
Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:51 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: This is supported by the zillions of forum messages asking how to fix or remove pulseaudio. Not to mention the billion post thread here on devel. In my experience, this is a more common pattern: $POOR_NEWBIE: I hav

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:51 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: > > > >> This is supported by the zillions of forum messages asking how to fix > >> or remove pulseaudio. Not to mention the billion post thread here on > >> dev

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > Removing PA is far too often jumped on as the 'obvious' fix for > > resolving any kind of audio problem whatsoever. Even if it had nothing > > to do with PA in the first place. > > And? Random helpful person quickly becomes ignored person

Re: Updated Anaconda packages

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:39 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 07/29/2009 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:51 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 06:27:00PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > >>> That means that you can take revisor, pungi or livecd-tools

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > > > Removing PA is far too often jumped on as the 'obvious' fix for > > > resolving any kind of audio problem whatsoever. Even if it had nothing > > > to do with PA in the first pla

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Tom "spot" Callaway
On 07/29/2009 11:12 AM, Thomas Janssen wrote: > 2009/7/29 Neal Becker : >> The link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community doesn't seem to work with >> konqueror. Just says 'loading' and nothing happens. Works in firefox. > > Confirmed with Konqueror 4.2.98 Hmm. How to put this nicely... Kon

Re: Trouble with koji

2009-07-29 Thread Jochen Schmitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 29.07.2009 12:21, schrieb Mike Bonnet: > > The build of ghc-editline creates 3 subpackages > > ghc-editline-devel ghc-editline-doc ghc-editline-prof Thank you for your hint. Now it's works for Rawhide, but not for F-11. On F-11 I got DEBUG util.py

Re: Trouble with koji

2009-07-29 Thread Mike Bonnet
On 07/29/2009 07:37 PM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > Am 29.07.2009 12:21, schrieb Mike Bonnet: >> The build of ghc-editline creates 3 subpackages > >> ghc-editline-devel ghc-editline-doc ghc-editline-prof > Thank you for your hint. Now it's works for Rawhide, but > not for F-11. > > On F-11 I got > >

Re: Testing libsatsolver on Fedora

2009-07-29 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 07/29/2009 06:37 AM, Michael Schroeder wrote: > seems like it doesn't > have write access to /var/cache/solv. Please chown the directory > to your uid. When I do that (or run under sudo) solv segfaults on me. f11, x86_64. http://fpaste.org/paste/20289 The RPM depends on gpg2 - which I

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 07/29/2009 10:06 AM, Steve Grubb wrote: > There is also the argument that what we've been teaching people for years is > that SE Linux strips away privileges and doesn't grant them. Changing the > model would be somewhat confusing. Just to play the devil's hair-splitting advocate, if the kern

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:25 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: > How long do we expect people to tolerate these bugs before they move > on? I don't. However, for those doing support, there's better approaches than 'disable PA and carry on using the system'. There's some configuration tweaks you can make t

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 17:49 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > Problem is... removing or disabling PA often -does- solve a problem. > > Rather, it works around it. The problems in the kernel drivers are > usually still there... B

Scripted mass rebuild has completed

2009-07-29 Thread Jesse Keating
The scripted part of the mass rebuild has completed, including the tag requests to move things into dist-f12. They will be in buildroots very soon. Next we'll be investigating the build failures and working to resolve those. I'll post lists of things needing to be built and known failures soon.

Re: Broken dependencies in Fedora 11 - 2009-07-28

2009-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:09:30 -0700, Adam wrote: > On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 23:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:29 +, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > synce-kde-0.9.1-4.fc11.ppc requires synce-serial > > > vdccm-0.10.1-5.fc11.ppc requires synce-serial > > >

Re: Broken dependencies in Fedora 11 - 2009-07-28

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 20:50 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:09:30 -0700, Adam wrote: > > > On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 23:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:29 +, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > > synce-kde-0.9.1-4.fc11.ppc requires synce-seri

Re: fedora mini revisted

2009-07-29 Thread Ville-Pekka Vainio
ke, 2009-07-29 kello 15:18 +0100, Bastien Nocera kirjoitti: > Is there any actual way to package Firefox extensions for Fedora? That > would probably make my installs of Firebug more up-to-date... Yes. I maintain an extension which is C++ [1]. It's built against xulrunner and installed under %{_li

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 20:20, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: > > > Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 17:49 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > > On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > > > Problem is... removing or disabling PA often -does- solve a problem. > > > >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 20:48 +0200, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > On Wed, 29.07.09 20:20, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: > > Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 17:49 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > > > On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > > > > > P

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 20:48 +0200, Lennart Poettering a écrit : >> On Wed, 29.07.09 20:20, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: > >> > Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 17:49 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : >> > > On We

Re: Scripted mass rebuild has completed

2009-07-29 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 11:28 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > The scripted part of the mass rebuild has completed, including the tag > requests to move things into dist-f12. They will be in buildroots > very > soon. It has been pointed out that my tag script may have tagged some rebuilds that were ol

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Ben Boeckel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On 07/29/2009 11:12 AM, Thomas Janssen wrote: >> 2009/7/29 Neal Becker : >>> The link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community doesn't seem to work with >>> konqueror. Just says 'loading' and nothing happens. Works in

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Ben Boeckel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On 07/29/2009 11:12 AM, Thomas Janssen wrote: >> 2009/7/29 Neal Becker : >>> The link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community doesn't seem to work with >>> konqueror. Just says 'loading' and nothing happens. Works in

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 07/29/2009 01:28 PM, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: of the two with no patches landed: http://dev.jquery.com/ticket/4362 this one lacks a konqueror bug report, or at least link. at: http://code.jquery.com/jquery-nightly.js select box val() handling seems to be done at, search for: // We

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Thomas Janssen
2009/7/29 Tom "spot" Callaway : > On 07/29/2009 11:12 AM, Thomas Janssen wrote: >> 2009/7/29 Neal Becker : >>> The link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community doesn't seem to work with >>> konqueror. Just says 'loading' and nothing happens.  Works in firefox. >> >> Confirmed with Konqueror 4.2.9

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: > > > > > Karel Zak wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >>> On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > >> > Removing PA is far too often jumped on as the 'obvious' fix for >> > resolving any kind of audio problem whatsoever. Even if it had nothing >> > to do with PA in the first place.

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