Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Michael Fleming
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:19:17 -0400 Charles Butterfield charles.butterfi...@nextcentury.com wrote: Okay, so I mostly love Fedora. However, here are 4 things that got by blood really, really boiling, so I thought I'd share my emotions. They are mostly policy issues, where I think you have

Re: rpmconf - tool to handle rpmnew and rpmsave files

2009-06-14 Thread Jan Kratochvil
Hi, from these tools only Gentoo looks to me to do the right thing - one has to do a 3-files merge. Just having the old modified file and the new unmodified files has no solution how to do the automatic merge = how to get the new configuration file with all the local changes of the old file

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread King InuYasha
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Bradley Baetz bba...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/06/09 04:53, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: - Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious. But if a user has bandwidth problems, how is\are mutiple CD's going to help, or is it purely on hardware

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Martin Sourada
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 22:19 -0400, Charles Butterfield wrote: snip * Root gdm login - gets harder every release - SHAME ON YOU root nazis! You can always init 3, login as root and startx if you *really need* graphical root login (or use su in gnome-terminal or whatever gui terminal

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Frank Murphy
On 14/06/09 04:47, Jesse Keating wrote: Don't be clouded by who is requesting it. Releng qa anaconda et al would love to stop doing split cds. Less confusion on what to download would be appreciated by many too. We are one of the last distros to still do cd media outside of live media. Is this

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-12

2009-06-14 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 12.06.2009 20:54, Jon Stanley wrote: Here's the minutes and IRC log of today's FESCo meeting Minutes: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-12-17.01.html Log:

rawhide report: 20090614 changes

2009-06-14 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Jun 14 06:15:11 UTC 2009 Updated Packages: Miro-2.0.4-1.fc12 - * Sat Jun 13 2009 Alex Lancaster alexlan[AT}fedoraproject org - 2.0.3-3 - Rebuild against newer Python boost * Sat Jun 13 2009 Alex Lancaster alexlan[AT}fedoraproject org - 2.0.4-1 - Update to

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Richard Fearn
Hi, To be honest, I like the Ubuntu way of adding a sudoers entry for the first user that gets created. Then suggest it as a feature for F12 That is actually a very good idea. Ubuntu has an admin group, and users in that group can use sudo due to this line in sudoers: %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
Ubuntu has an admin group, and users in that group can use sudo due to this line in sudoers: %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL I might suggest this as a feature unless anyone else wants to (or thinks I shouldn't) ? # grep -n wheel /etc/sudoers 81:## Allows people in group wheel to run all commands 82:#

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Richard Fearn
# grep -n wheel /etc/sudoers 81:## Allows people in group wheel to run all commands 82:# %wheel     ALL=(ALL)       ALL 85:# %wheel     ALL=(ALL)       NOPASSWD: ALL All you have to do is uncomment one line ;) That's exactly what I do, followed by: $ usermod -a -G wheel rich But wouldn't

Re: Where do i file a bug against the kde-redhat repository?

2009-06-14 Thread Rex Dieter
Yaakov Nemoy wrote: Hey All, As the subject says, i'm looking to figure out where is the accountable place for filing bug reports. For anyone who can apply a quick fix, the repo is missing repo closure, and i can't install the latest KDE beta because PyKDE is out of date. fedora-kde

Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance

2009-06-14 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 21:05 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Too bad their hardware benchmarks do not match the development news, and too bad they also feel it necessary to continuously warn about alleged unsuitability of the Free drivers for production use (when in reality they just work as long as

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 10:35 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 22:19 -0400, Charles Butterfield wrote: snip * Root gdm login - gets harder every release - SHAME ON YOU root nazis! You can always init 3, login as root and startx if you *really need* graphical

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:30, King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Bradley Baetz bba...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/06/09 04:53, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: - Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious. But if a user has bandwidth problems, how

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Jun 14, 2009, at 5:31, Richard Fearn richardfe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, To be honest, I like the Ubuntu way of adding a sudoers entry for the first user that gets created. Then suggest it as a feature for F12 That is actually a very good idea. Ubuntu has an admin group, and users

Re: Deltarpms for Rawhide?

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Jun 14, 2009, at 6:24, Jonathan Dieter jdie...@gmail.com wrote: Are we no longer generating deltarpms in Rawhide? Both the June 13 and June 14 composes no longer have the drpms directory. Because of bandwidth issues, on our school's private mirror I normally rsync the drpms first,

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 17:45:43 +1000, Michael Fleming mflem...@thatfleminggent.com wrote: I've done reinstalls and upgrades and not seen a denial AVC - I believe if it runs during the installer it would be a permissive / targeted mode. I did have SELinux break an upgrade but that was many

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Robert 'Bob' Jensen
- King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: A script that takes the DVD image to produce the CD versions would basically require extracting the whole DVD image and then generating new ISOs from that tree. Maybe mirrors could do it if you want to save space on the main server or whatever.

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Richard Fearn
We have the wheel group which would fit the bill. Yeah, I always uncomment the %wheel line in sudoers and then add myself to that group. Hmmm, having looked at the Features guidelines I'm not sure if this warrants a feature page or not. It would only involve a change to the default sudoers

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Frank Murphy
On 14/06/09 16:07, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: snip However I agree with you that samba is always a pain to setup on new systems. I do not hate it, but I wish this had been made easier. Logging into X as root? I can't comment on this as I didn't ever feel the need to do that. I didn't know it was

Re: Deltarpms for Rawhide?

2009-06-14 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:52:04 -0700, Jesse wrote: We are chasing a bug in the delta path that is making rawhide take over 24 hours to compose. For now, no deltas. Does the bug affect RPM Fusion, too? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Richard Fearn
The way it is done right now, you have a system that might give too few permissions to some users. If that causes a problem, you'll notice it, and you can correct it in a very simple way (uncomment one line and add a user to a group). However, if we change the default, you have a system that

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 14:53 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: I appreciate the clarification from you and Matt on the request. As you know Jesse my, and Unity's, goal has been for a while has been to get Fedora in to the hands of as many people as possible with the least amount of pain. That

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 15:59 +0100, Richard Fearn wrote: We have the wheel group which would fit the bill. Yeah, I always uncomment the %wheel line in sudoers and then add myself to that group. Hmmm, having looked at the Features guidelines I'm not sure if this warrants a feature page or

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 03:30 -0500, King InuYasha wrote: A script that takes the DVD image to produce the CD versions would basically require extracting the whole DVD image and then generating new ISOs from that tree. Maybe mirrors could do it if you want to save space on the main server or

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 05:10:14PM +0200, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: However, if we change the default, you have a system that may be giving too much permissions to some users depending on your taste. And the worse part is that you (as an admin) might not even know it ! The semantics of

Fwd: google-gadgets

2009-06-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Original Message Subject: google-gadgets Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:28:52 +0200 From: Eric Tanguy eric.tan...@univ-nantes.fr Reply-To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-l...@redhat.com To: Community assistance, encouragement,and

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:34:19 +, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 14:53 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: I appreciate the clarification from you and Matt on the request. As you know Jesse my, and Unity's, goal has been for a while has been to get Fedora in

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Julian Aloofi
Am Sonntag, den 14.06.2009, 17:10 +0200 schrieb Mathieu Bridon The way it is done right now, you have a system that might give too few permissions to some users. If that causes a problem, you'll notice it, and you can correct it in a very simple way (uncomment one line and add a user to a

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:37:41 -0700, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 03:30 -0500, King InuYasha wrote: A script that takes the DVD image to produce the CD versions would basically require extracting the whole DVD image and then generating new ISOs from that

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:58:36 + (UTC), Robert 'Bob' Jensen b...@fedoraunity.org wrote: - King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: A script that takes the DVD image to produce the CD versions would basically require extracting the whole DVD image and then generating new ISOs from that

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
The way it is done right now, you have a system that might give too few permissions to some users. If that causes a problem, you'll notice it, and you can correct it in a very simple way (uncomment one line and add a user to a group). However, if we change the default, you have a system that

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Julian Aloofijulian.fedorali...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, den 14.06.2009, 17:10 +0200 schrieb Mathieu Bridon Samba (outbound) browsing requires firewall mods So, solving this is pretty easy, even for newbies. But I agree that the error message will

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Charles Butterfield wrote: ... Does it help if more people (dis)agree? I will add my voice. - I like a root login option, especially when first setting up the system, as it is helpful to do things as root. I consciously choose to use root and realize that I MYSELF could be exposing MY OWN

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: The way it is done right now, you have a system that might give too few permissions to some users. If that causes a problem, you'll notice it, and you can correct it in a very simple way (uncomment one line and add a user to a group). However, if

glibc malloc errors

2009-06-14 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
hi, running libmicro[1] microbenchmarks, sometimes some of them broke for no reason. running them again with $ export MALLOC_CHECK_=1 I got. output: *** glibc detected *** bin/malloc: free(): invalid pointer: 0x01b16e80 *** *** glibc detected *** bin/malloc: free(): invalid pointer:

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-12

2009-06-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:09:19 +0200 Thorsten Leemhuis fed...@leemhuis.info wrote: On 12.06.2009 20:54, Jon Stanley wrote: Here's the minutes and IRC log of today's FESCo meeting Minutes: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-12-17.01.html Log:

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 10:52 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:34:52 +0100 I think this is actually a problem that needs solving. We have several network services that are either installed by default or might be expected to be part of a standard setup, but which don't

Re: glibc malloc errors

2009-06-14 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
On 06/14/2009 08:17 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: running libmicro[1] microbenchmarks, sometimes some of them broke for no reason. Fedora 11 x86_64 (64-bit) -- «Allá muevan feroz guerra, ciegos reyes por un palmo más de tierra; que yo aquí tengo por mío cuanto abarca el mar bravío, a quien

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:59:58 +0100 Richard Fearn richardfe...@gmail.com wrote: We have the wheel group which would fit the bill. Yeah, I always uncomment the %wheel line in sudoers and then add myself to that group. Hmmm, having looked at the Features guidelines I'm not sure if this

iptables/firewall brainstorming

2009-06-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:34:52 +0100 Matthew Garrett m...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 06:13:51PM +0200, Julian Aloofi wrote: So, solving this is pretty easy, even for newbies. But I agree that the error message will not help someone without advanced knowledge. Although I

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread inode0
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Paul Woutersp...@xelerance.com wrote: That said, I agree the wheel group should be enabled with sudo, though I disagree that the initial install user should be automatically added to it. Should sudo be treated in this case any differently than su? I think wheel

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 20:08:31 +0200, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: enabled by default, like we currently do. If an application cannot be trusted then it should not be allowed to listen on a port by default in the first place. A firewall is an extra layer of security that

Re: iptables/firewall brainstorming

2009-06-14 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:30:41PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:34:52 +0100 Matthew Garrett m...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 06:13:51PM +0200, Julian Aloofi wrote: So, solving this is pretty easy, even for newbies. But I agree that the error message

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:45:09AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: * Samba (outbound) browsing requires firewall mods I don't know how Samba works, so forgive me if I say obvious stupidity, but shouldn't *client* work even behind closed firewall (like with any other services like ssh, ftp,

Re: iptables/firewall brainstorming

2009-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 14.06.09 15:09, Chuck Anderson (c...@wpi.edu) wrote: I think this is actually a problem that needs solving. We have several network services that are either installed by default or might be expected to be part of a standard setup, but which don't work because of the default

Re: (Most) Results from the Candidate Questionnaire are available now

2009-06-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: * some people dislike questions like do you prefer Gnome or KDE that are/should be mostly irrelevant for Fedora as whole and the position the candidate is nominated for It's pretty much relevant, we don't want GNOME bias all over the Fedora governing bodies. For some

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread David
On 6/13/2009 10:19 PM, Charles Butterfield wrote: Okay, so I mostly love Fedora. However, here are 4 things that got by blood really, really boiling, so I thought I’d share my emotions. They are mostly policy issues, where I think you have gotten it very very wrong. Just installed F11

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Yaakov Nemoy
2009/6/14 Richard Fearn richardfe...@gmail.com: # grep -n wheel /etc/sudoers 81:## Allows people in group wheel to run all commands 82:# %wheel     ALL=(ALL)       ALL 85:# %wheel     ALL=(ALL)       NOPASSWD: ALL All you have to do is uncomment one line ;) That's exactly what I do,

No bluetooth for PulseAudio nonbelievers

2009-06-14 Thread Ahmed Kamal
Hi fedorians, Having spent more than a day trying to get Skype working smoothly with PA, and failing (cranky sound, or 100% CPU usage). Now I know Skype is closed crap that is using deprecated apis and it along with flash should be sentenced to software hell, but at the end of the day I need to

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 14 juin 2009 à 20:08 +0200, Lennart Poettering a écrit : I still think that the current firewall situation on Fedora is pretty much broken. It's a bit like SELinux: it's one of the first features most people disable. For the people I know disabling the firewall is very low under

Re: No bluetooth for PulseAudio nonbelievers

2009-06-14 Thread Ahmed Kamal
If you don't want to use gnome-bluetooth and how it integrates with all other software and automates things then don't use it. Nobody forces you. I didn't even mean using BT for any audio related tasks. I basically use BT to transfer files back and forth from my cell phone. And

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
Michael Fleming mflem...@thatfleminggent.com writes: With the likes of sudo / ConsoleKit / console-helper et. al you should never, ever need to run an extended session as root. Your day-to-day work can be done perfectly well as a standard non-privileged user, the applications that *need*

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
inode0 ino...@gmail.com writes: Actually, I am strongly against the way Fedora forces the creation of the first user without allowing the admin to set the uid/gid of the user. That is a different annoying issue. Hmm... Does it? I installed F11 (i386, with netinstall) recently and it didn't

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Richard Fearn
I didn't say the wheel group was a nonsense or a problem. I was responding to Richard who wanted the line to be uncommented (harmless per se) AND the first user to be added to the wheel group by default. I've since changed my mind :-) For example, a « add to the wheel group » checkbox in

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 05:45:43PM +1000, Michael Fleming wrote: Ich bin ein secure user and you should be too. Logging in as root into X directly (or the console for that matter) is a *bad idea*. Erm, logging as root on the console is a bad idea? _You've_ obviously not got any machines

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Richard Fearn
Who says the first created user is root-equivalent? It wouldn't be root-equivalent. You have to explicitly use sudo, and enter your password when you do use it. It's not the same as a root prompt. In any case, I like Mathieu Bridon's idea of having a firstboot option. Rich --

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Leszek Matok
Dnia 2009-06-14, o godz. 22:12:47 Krzysztof Halasa k...@pm.waw.pl napisał(a): a false feeling that the non-privileged account doesn't need the same level of protection as the root account needs. The feeling isn't false - overtaking a root-run program is potentially more harmful to the system,

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 17:54 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: If Fedora Unity's motivation to continue a service to the community -at it's own expense, not yours- is holding you and the other teams hostage, call S.W.A.T. If it was just Fedora Unity's expense that'd be one thing. But it's

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 18:20 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: If the Fedora Project considers to no longer release split CD media, would the Fedora Project then also consider allowing Fedora Unity (members) to continue servicing those that request or even require split CD media? If that is too

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com said: If there are those that require split media, I'd much prefer that we as a project produce and test the split media as part of our normal development cycle, and not do it as some after thought after it's too late to fix any problems

Fedora 11 Retrospective Happens Tuesday June 16, 2009 at 14:00 UTC (10 AM EDT)

2009-06-14 Thread John Poelstra
Have you ever wanted to give your perspective on how well the Fedora development and release process works, but weren't sure where to do it? Now you have the perfect opportunity! For Fedora 11 we are having a project wide conference all to reflect on the good and not so good parts of the

One week left for voting

2009-06-14 Thread Paul W. Frields
There's approximately one week left to vote in the combined Fedora elections. To cast your vote, visit: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting For more information on the specific elections, visit this thread in the archives for the fedora-advisory-board list:

Breaking API for python-decorator in Fedora 11

2009-06-14 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
I'm planning on updating the python-decorator package from 2.3.x to 3.0.x. This update breaks API in: 1) Some python-2.6 specific functionality 2) Some seldom used idioms. This update is necessary for python-repoze-what-pylons: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499486 a component

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
Richard Fearn richardfe...@gmail.com writes: Who says the first created user is root-equivalent? It wouldn't be root-equivalent. You have to explicitly use sudo, and enter your password when you do use it. It's not the same as a root prompt. It is from a security person POV. If an attacker

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread King InuYasha
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.netwrote: On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:30, King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Bradley Baetz bba...@gmail.com bba...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/06/09 04:53, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: -

Re: bind-chroot in F11

2009-06-14 Thread mike cloaked
Mike Cloaked wrote: In F11 the contents contain /var/named/chroot and within this directory are /dev containing file null, random and zero and /etc containing file localtime and nothing else. This is surely a packing error since the bind-chroot package should install the proper chrooted directory

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Simo Sorcesso...@redhat.com wrote: I haven't done a graphical root login in the past 10 years probably and on multiple distribution. Graphical root login is meaningless. Let me ask you a question as an example to better define the expectation on behavior that

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread James Morris
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: much broken. It's a bit like SELinux: it's one of the first features most people disable. False. Most people leave SELinux enabled, according to the smolt stats which have been collecting since the F8 era. Fedora is the only big distro that

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 15.06.09 09:15, James Morris (jmor...@namei.org) wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: much broken. It's a bit like SELinux: it's one of the first features most people disable. False. Most people leave SELinux enabled, according to the smolt stats which have

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread James Morris
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: Are you speaking of the same smolt that lists es1371 as most popular sound card? i.e. a sound card that has been out of production since about 10 years now? Somehow I have serious doubts about the validity of the smolt data. I've previously

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Are you speaking of the same smolt that lists es1371 as most popular sound card? i.e. a sound card that has been out of production since about 10 years now? Somehow I have serious doubts about the validity of the

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Guido Grazioli
That said, I agree the wheel group should be enabled with sudo, though I disagree that the initial install user should be automatically added to it. But then again, I hate sudo :P I do most scripting that requires root access via root logins directly with ssh and keys. i completely agree

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 14.06.09 16:11, Jeff Spaleta (jspal...@gmail.com) wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Are you speaking of the same smolt that lists es1371 as most popular sound card? i.e. a sound card that has been out of production since about

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 15:11 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:45:09AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: * Samba (outbound) browsing requires firewall mods I don't know how Samba works, so forgive me if I say obvious stupidity, but shouldn't *client* work even behind

Re: GDM Language list...

2009-06-14 Thread Jens Petersen
- Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumLangpackPlugin My one concern with this is that the conditional stuff is also used on the compose side when making LiveCDs, etc. We need to make sure that still works somehow. Right. (Though since

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 14:23 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Simo Sorcesso...@redhat.com wrote: I haven't done a graphical root login in the past 10 years probably and on multiple distribution. Graphical root login is meaningless. Let me ask you a question as

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Saturday, June 13 2009, Jussi Lehtola said: On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 11:12 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 07:04:12PM +0300, Jussi Lehtola wrote: Hmm, I'd want netboot.img back, since I normally use a USB stick to start the network install (OK, there is the possibility

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Sunday, June 14 2009, King InuYasha said: Also, maybe we should support PXE/network booting the Live version from mirrors or whatever with the advent of netbooks and other computers without an optical drive. While doing it via USB is preferable, it is not always possible. For example I have

Re: GDM Language list...

2009-06-14 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Sunday, June 14 2009, Jens Petersen said: - Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumLangpackPlugin My one concern with this is that the conditional stuff is also used on the compose side when making LiveCDs, etc. We need to make sure

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Mike McGrath
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 15.06.09 09:15, James Morris (jmor...@namei.org) wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: much broken. It's a bit like SELinux: it's one of the first features most people disable. False. Most people leave

Re: What I HATE about F11

2009-06-14 Thread Mike McGrath
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Mike McGrath wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 15.06.09 09:15, James Morris (jmor...@namei.org) wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: much broken. It's a bit like SELinux: it's one of the first features most

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jeremy Katz ka...@redhat.com said: See the livecd-iso-to-pxeboot script, although it does place some (somewhat) different requirements on things. AFAIK livecd-iso-to-pxeboot is useless for 32 bit, at least for the standard Fedora LiveCD images. I think the kernel will only

Re: Why a multilib wrapper for non-multilib architectures?!

2009-06-14 Thread Eric Sandeen
Rex Dieter wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Personally I don't use multilib wrappers on arches that don't need it; I think not needing extra cases in the wrapper header outweighs the added complexity in the specfile. But I'm not going to tell the gmp maintainer he's wrong for doing it the other way.

Re: ruby-sqlite3 conflicts with rubygem-sqlite3-ruby

2009-06-14 Thread Mamoru Tasaka
Michael Schwendt wrote, at 06/15/2009 03:52 AM +9:00: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/472621 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/472622 Reported in Nov 2008. Is it really that difficult to fix it? Well, actually these two packages are _the same_ (currently versions of rpms on Fedora are different,

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread James Antill
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 08:46 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: (Reposting to f-d-l from my blog post last night. http://domsch.com/blog/?p=85 includes a couple nice graphs to help illustrate.) CDs are Dead. Long live CDs. I was running some stats on the Fedora 11 release, and an interesting thing

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Matt Domsch
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 01:09:52AM -0400, James Antill wrote: On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 08:46 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: (Reposting to f-d-l from my blog post last night. http://domsch.com/blog/?p=85 includes a couple nice graphs to help illustrate.) CDs are Dead. Long live CDs. I was

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 00:24 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 01:09:52AM -0400, James Antill wrote: On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 08:46 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: (Reposting to f-d-l from my blog post last night. http://domsch.com/blog/?p=85 includes a couple nice graphs to help

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/15/2009 11:15 AM, Jon Masters wrote: The only counterpoint I came up with was that of folks in parts of the world who don't have access to modern hardware and don't have broadband. Yes but they prefer Live CD or regular DVD images usually. Magazines tend to distribute DVD image.

Broken dependencies: perl-POE-Component-Client-HTTP

2009-06-14 Thread buildsys
perl-POE-Component-Client-HTTP has broken dependencies in the development tree: On ppc: perl-POE-Component-Client-HTTP-0.85-3.fc11.noarch requires perl(POE::Component::Client::Keepalive) = 0:0.0901 On x86_64: perl-POE-Component-Client-HTTP-0.85-3.fc11.noarch requires

[Bug 492318] Missing dependency

2009-06-14 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492318 Ian Chapman packa...@amiga-hardware.com changed: What|Removed |Added

rpms/perl-POE-Component-Client-SMTP/F-10 import.log, NONE, 1.1 perl-POE-Component-Client-SMTP.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-06-14 Thread Yanko Kaneti
Author: yaneti Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-POE-Component-Client-SMTP/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv12804/F-10 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log perl-POE-Component-Client-SMTP.spec Log Message: Initial import on this branch

rpms/perl-POE-Component-Client-SMTP/F-11 import.log, NONE, 1.1 perl-POE-Component-Client-SMTP.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-06-14 Thread Yanko Kaneti
Author: yaneti Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-POE-Component-Client-SMTP/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv13570/F-11 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log perl-POE-Component-Client-SMTP.spec Log Message: Initial import on this branch

rpms/perl-Module-Install/devel .cvsignore, 1.17, 1.18 perl-Module-Install.spec, 1.21, 1.22 sources, 1.17, 1.18

2009-06-14 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Module-Install/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv1411 Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-Module-Install.spec sources Log Message: * Sun Jun 14 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.91-1 - update to 0.91 - add br on

rpms/perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta/devel .cvsignore, 1.4, 1.5 perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta.spec, 1.4, 1.5 sources, 1.4, 1.5

2009-06-14 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv4000 Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta.spec sources Log Message: * Sun Jun 14 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 1.39-1 - auto-update to 1.39 (by

rpms/perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta/F-11 perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta.spec, 1.4, 1.5 sources, 1.4, 1.5

2009-06-14 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6023 Modified Files: perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta.spec sources Log Message: * Sun Jun 14 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 1.39-1 - auto-update to 1.39 (by

rpms/perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta/F-10 perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta.spec, 1.2, 1.3 sources, 1.3, 1.4

2009-06-14 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6100 Modified Files: perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta.spec sources Log Message: * Sun Jun 14 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 1.39-1 - auto-update to 1.39 (by

rpms/perl-HTML-FillInForm/devel import.log, NONE, 1.1 perl-HTML-FillInForm.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-06-14 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
Author: eseyman Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-HTML-FillInForm/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv21495/devel Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log perl-HTML-FillInForm.spec Log Message: Initial import. --- NEW FILE import.log ---

rpms/perl-HTML-FillInForm/F-11 import.log, NONE, 1.1 perl-HTML-FillInForm.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-06-14 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
Author: eseyman Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-HTML-FillInForm/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv22618/F-11 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log perl-HTML-FillInForm.spec Log Message: Initial import. --- NEW FILE import.log ---

rpms/perl-HTML-FillInForm/F-10 import.log, NONE, 1.1 perl-HTML-FillInForm.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-06-14 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
Author: eseyman Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-HTML-FillInForm/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23538/F-10 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log perl-HTML-FillInForm.spec Log Message: Initial import. --- NEW FILE import.log ---

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