Re: Orphans on the chopping block for F12

2009-07-29 Thread Sven Lankes
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:12:10PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: As today is the Feature Freeze, I am preparing to block all the unblocked orphans. This is your last chance to pick one of them up. Those that remain unblocked at the end of my day (around UTC) will be blocked. Unblocked

Re: Updated Anaconda packages

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:51 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 07/28/2009 01:19 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 06:27:00PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: That means that you can take revisor, pungi or livecd-tools in your existing Fedora system None of these are what I am

Re: Broken dependencies in Fedora 11 - 2009-07-28

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:29 +, Michael Schwendt wrote: synce-kde-0.9.1-4.fc11.ppc requires synce-serial vdccm-0.10.1-5.fc11.ppc requires synce-serial I thought I'd seen these addressed on the list before, but just in case: synce-serial is entirely deprecated now, it is not

Re: Updated Anaconda packages

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:41 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: On 07/27/2009 10:21 PM, Jeremy Katz wrote: Regenerating the images is expensive -- it requires effort on the part of the developers doing fixes, release engineering doing builds with the fixes, QA testing the fixes, infrastructure

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 23:55 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: When you mean 'not wrap them', do you mean they're no longer selectable as a record source, if the hardware exports them? Yes. You cannot select them as record source, you cannot mute or unmute them, you cannot change their

Re: fedora 11 worst then ever release

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 04:48 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 07/29/2009 12:37 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 13:43 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: With all due respect to fedoraunity and you. To me it is a serious Fedora management and rel-eng mistake causing major harm to

Re: Broken dependencies in Fedora 11 - 2009-07-28

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 23:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:29 +, Michael Schwendt wrote: synce-kde-0.9.1-4.fc11.ppc requires synce-serial vdccm-0.10.1-5.fc11.ppc requires synce-serial I thought I'd seen these addressed on the list before, but just

Re: Testing libsatsolver on Fedora

2009-07-29 Thread yersinia
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Michael Schroeder m...@suse.de wrote: Hi folks, I'm the author of the libsatsolver library, a library solves package dependencies with a SAT algorithm. This library is currently used in SUSE by YaST/zypp. I'm currently trying to make it less SUSE specific

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Karel Zak
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: Please note that it is our intention not to wrap obsolete mixer controls such as CD, PC Speaker,

Re: Orphans on the chopping block for F12

2009-07-29 Thread Thomas Moschny
2009/7/29 Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com: As today is the Feature Freeze, I am preparing to block all the unblocked orphans.  This is your last chance to pick one of them up. Those that remain unblocked at the end of my day (around UTC) will be blocked. Unblocked orphan surfraw

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 15:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: In the F11 cycle there has been some criticism on how g-v-c was presenting a new minimal volume control interface. Most issues raised back then should now be fixed, except for a few which we consider strictly out of focus for us.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Felix Kaechele
Let me take the chance to thank you, Lennart. Even though PulseAudio has always been a controversial topic and there are many negative feelings about it I still think I am not the only one who really enjoys the new audio and volume control features Fedoa offers. It has really made my life easier

question about clipboard behavior

2009-07-29 Thread Stefan Assmann
Hi all, I have a question about the standard clipboard. Highlighting some text in an app, may it be firefox, thunderbird, tomboy, whatever and then pasting it to an existing xterm with middle mouse button works. However if you open a new xterm _after_ you highlighted some text the previously

Re: Testing libsatsolver on Fedora

2009-07-29 Thread Michael Schroeder
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:00:17PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Of course, that depends on whether what we have in yum is as slow as whatever SUSE had before this. :) I doubt that. It's not an easy task to create software as slow as the 10.x update stack ;-) ISTR that SUSE was rather

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 01:54:20PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: It was in my post to the last thread:: Is someone in a position to verify whether setting security flags on a bug prevents someone who would be put in the CC list by the default cc attribute would or would not let people see

Re: Orphans on the chopping block for F12

2009-07-29 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:04:28AM +0200, Haïkel Guémar wrote: gnochm, it has two co-maintainers: pertusus and wolfy, maybe one of them would take ownership. Not me (I am not in fedora anymore, but still watch over my former packages, be it only for EPEL). Manuel (wolfy) owns already many

Re: Testing libsatsolver on Fedora

2009-07-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/28/2009 03:04 PM, Michael Schroeder wrote: Ok, solv now supports mirrorlists. Updated packages should be available in an hour or two (depending on the build service load). Tested. Works with mirror lists atleast partially but still too slow. I have compared it with yum

Re: Testing libsatsolver on Fedora

2009-07-29 Thread Lorenzo Villani
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:27:00 +0200 yersinia yersinia.spi...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, if you want a wider audience for your project, outside the narrow circle of people involved in rpm development :=) for example, so that it can be considered for inclusion in different distributions from

Re: Orphans on the chopping block for F12

2009-07-29 Thread Haïkel Guémar
Le 29/07/2009 11:01, Patrice Dumas a écrit : On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:04:28AM +0200, Haïkel Guémar wrote: gnochm, it has two co-maintainers: pertusus and wolfy, maybe one of them would take ownership. Not me (I am not in fedora anymore, but still watch over my former packages, be it only

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Michal Hlavinka
This reminds me your note: https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519.htm l PA does not make use of hardware mixing. And I don't plan to change that. It's obsolete technology. CPUs these days come with extensions such as MMX or SSE precisely for

Re: Testing libsatsolver on Fedora

2009-07-29 Thread Michael Schroeder
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:44:02PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 07/28/2009 03:04 PM, Michael Schroeder wrote: Ok, solv now supports mirrorlists. Updated packages should be available in an hour or two (depending on the build service load). Tested. Works with mirror lists atleast

Heads up: nautilus-cd-burner is gone

2009-07-29 Thread Bastien Nocera
In devel. Replaced by brasero in GNOME 2.26. Applications that were using libnautilus-burn should have been ported already at this stage, or deprecated. Cheers -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka mhlav...@redhat.comwrote: This reminds me your note: https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519.htm l PA does not make use of hardware mixing. And I don't plan to change that. It's obsolete

Re: Updated Anaconda packages

2009-07-29 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/29/2009 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:51 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 07/28/2009 01:19 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 06:27:00PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: That means that you can take revisor, pungi or livecd-tools in your existing

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Stephen Smalley
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 20:13 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: Quoting Bill McGonigle (b...@bfccomputing.com): On 07/28/2009 04:11 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Still, is such a change less severe than changing what root means? Is Fedora that committed to SELinux? What's it going to take to make most

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Stephen Smalley
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 17:53 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 07/28/2009 04:11 PM, Chris Adams wrote: AFAIK SELinux introduces additional controls and does not replace or override existing controls. I'm pretty sure non-root still can't directly listen on a low-numbered port. For some

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread James Morris
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Stephen Smalley wrote: So I think the only piece of the proposal that is orthogonal to SELinux is privilege bracketing within the program (dropping caps after use). But the changes to the file and directory permissions seem more questionable. Once we have access

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Stephen Smalley
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 23:01 +1000, James Morris wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Stephen Smalley wrote: So I think the only piece of the proposal that is orthogonal to SELinux is privilege bracketing within the program (dropping caps after use). But the changes to the file and directory

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 12:33, Michal Hlavinka (mhlav...@redhat.com) wrote: This reminds me your note: https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519.htm l PA does not make use of hardware mixing. And I don't plan to change that. It's obsolete

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Neal Becker
The link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community doesn't seem to work with konqueror. Just says 'loading' and nothing happens. Works in firefox. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 09:46, Karel Zak (k...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: Please note that it is our

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Karel Zak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Yes. You cannot select them as record source, you cannot mute or unmute

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Michal Hlavinka
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 15:16:20 Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 12:33, Michal Hlavinka (mhlav...@redhat.com) wrote: This reminds me your note: https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519 .htm l PA does not make use of hardware

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Stephen Smalley
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 09:10 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 23:01 +1000, James Morris wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Stephen Smalley wrote: So I think the only piece of the proposal that is orthogonal to SELinux is privilege bracketing within the program (dropping caps

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 07/29/2009 01:59 AM, Till Maas wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 01:54:20PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: It was in my post to the last thread:: Is someone in a position to verify whether setting security flags on a bug prevents someone who would be put in the CC list by the default cc

The death of rhpl

2009-07-29 Thread Jeremy Katz
We're hoping to be able to not ship rhpl for Fedora 12 -- this isn't something which is really a feature, but it might be something that a heads up is useful for. Anyone who has a package with a dependency on rhpl should have a bug filed, 98% of them with patches, to switch to using something

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 15:24, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Karel Zak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Yes.

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Serge E. Hallyn
Quoting Stephen Smalley (s...@tycho.nsa.gov): On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 17:53 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 07/28/2009 04:11 PM, Chris Adams wrote: AFAIK SELinux introduces additional controls and does not replace or override existing controls. I'm pretty sure non-root still can't

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski domi...@greysector.net wrote: On Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 15:24, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Karel Zak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200,

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:30:27AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Is the same thing true of watching a person? till, I'm now watching till-opensource.name, if you want to open a new security bug and see if I get CC'd. I created https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514518 According to

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Steve Grubb
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 09:49:29 am Serge E. Hallyn wrote: There was a patch floated on selinux list circa June 2007 that would have allowed SELinux to directly grant capabilities. But it met a certain amount of resistance from people concerned about the implications of changing the

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Joe Nall
On Jul 29, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: The same thing can happen at the moment with capabilities for an NFS rootfs, prelink killed file caps on fedora last time I checked. Makes them useless for general purpose app protection.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 15:47, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:39 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: snip It's quite hypocritical of you to use an anti-open-source company (Creative) as an argument for not supporting hw mixing on one side and then touting

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Michal Schmidt
Dne Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:21:00 +0200 Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski napsal: But whatever. Just please stop imposing pulseaudio on those who don't want to use it. For the record, I'm still considering leaving Fedora because - as a GNOME desktop - it's becoming unusable without

Re: fedora mini revisted

2009-07-29 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi All, I'd like some thoughts, and some help so yes, I'm opening a can of worms :-) A while a go jkatz put out a call about support for netbooks, and I begun to step up and the idea behind Fedora Mini [1] was born before being sidetracked by shiny things in the corner. snipped Is

Re: rawhide report: 20090729 changes

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 11:13 +, Rawhide Report wrote: xorg-x11-server-1.6.99-21.20090724.fc12 --- * Tue Jul 28 2009 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com 1.6.99-19.20090724 - xserver-1.6.99-randr-error-debugging.patch: Dump RANDR protocol errors to the log. -

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:14 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: But whatever. Just please stop imposing pulseaudio on those who don't want to use it. For the record, I'm still considering leaving Fedora because - as a GNOME desktop - it's becoming unusable without pulseaudio.

Re: fedora mini revisted

2009-07-29 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 21:33 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: snip So what do people want out of a Fedora Mini SIG? Is Fedora Mini really Fedora Netbook? If so, then I'd concentrate on: - Moblin as a spin - Hardware support is pushed into the distribution The problem space is really the same as the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Jeff Garzik
Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 09:47, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: mixing is certainly the smallest part of it. Plese don't forget that mixing is not exactly the most complex operation on earth. Please don't forget that hardware mixing... is more than just mixing.

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:12:00AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 07/29/2009 07:05 AM, Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:30:27AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Is the same thing true of watching a person? till, I'm now watching till-opensource.name, if you want to open a new

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:13 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Modern sound card designs don't do hw mixing anymore, it's like fm synthesis or wavetable audio. It's simply not done in hw anymore. The only exceptions are cards for gamers, i.e. Creative cards. And uh, quite frankly those cards

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:26 +0200, Michal Hlavinka wrote: If PA eats a lot of CPU this can have many reasons, most of them have to do with the latency settings requested by the applications or that have been configured due to frequent underruns. However the actual mixing is certainly the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 16:46 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: Dominik, if you don't want to use PA, remove only alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, then the default ALSA output won't be redirected to PA. You can leave pulseaudio package installed to satisfy the dependencies. That does mean a PA daemon

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 07/29/2009 08:20 AM, Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:12:00AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 07/29/2009 07:05 AM, Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:30:27AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Is the same thing true of watching a person? till, I'm now watching

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:56 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 09:47, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: mixing is certainly the smallest part of it. Plese don't forget that mixing is not exactly the most complex operation on earth. Please don't forget that hardware

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Jakma
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Lennart Poettering wrote: I'd like to ask everyone to test this new volume logic. If you don't raise your voice now that some output port is not properly detected or audio is too faint then later on you won't have any right to complain. Is there a way to test this if

Trouble with koji

2009-07-29 Thread Jochen Schmitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hallo, I'm trying to make a scratch build for kaya on rawhide to fix a FTBFS. Unfortunately, I have got the lollowing error message: DEBUG util.py:256: No Package Found for ghc-editline But from my view of point this package should exist. It may

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread King InuYasha
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.comwrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 15:56 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 09:47, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: mixing is certainly the smallest part of it. Plese don't forget that mixing is not

Re: Trouble with koji

2009-07-29 Thread Mike Bonnet
On 07/29/2009 06:09 PM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: Hallo, I'm trying to make a scratch build for kaya on rawhide to fix a FTBFS. Unfortunately, I have got the lollowing error message: DEBUG util.py:256: No Package Found for ghc-editline But from my view of point this package should exist.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:51 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: This is supported by the zillions of forum messages asking how to fix or remove pulseaudio. Not to mention the billion post thread here on devel. In my experience, this is a more common pattern: $POOR_NEWBIE: I have a problem with audio.

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 07:12 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 07/29/2009 07:05 AM, Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:30:27AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Is the same thing true of watching a person? till, I'm now watching till-opensource.name, if you want to open a new

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Jeff Garzik
Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:51 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: This is supported by the zillions of forum messages asking how to fix or remove pulseaudio. Not to mention the billion post thread here on devel. In my experience, this is a more common pattern: $POOR_NEWBIE: I

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:51 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: This is supported by the zillions of forum messages asking how to fix or remove pulseaudio. Not to mention the billion post thread here on devel. In

Re: Updated Anaconda packages

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:39 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 07/29/2009 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:51 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 06:27:00PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: That means that you can take revisor, pungi or livecd-tools in your

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.comwrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: Removing PA is far too often jumped on as the 'obvious' fix for resolving any kind of audio problem whatsoever. Even if it had nothing to do with PA in the

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 07/29/2009 11:12 AM, Thomas Janssen wrote: 2009/7/29 Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com: The link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community doesn't seem to work with konqueror. Just says 'loading' and nothing happens. Works in firefox. Confirmed with Konqueror 4.2.98 Hmm. How to put this

Re: Trouble with koji

2009-07-29 Thread Mike Bonnet
On 07/29/2009 07:37 PM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: Am 29.07.2009 12:21, schrieb Mike Bonnet: The build of ghc-editline creates 3 subpackages ghc-editline-devel ghc-editline-doc ghc-editline-prof Thank you for your hint. Now it's works for Rawhide, but not for F-11. On F-11 I got DEBUG

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-29 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 07/29/2009 10:06 AM, Steve Grubb wrote: There is also the argument that what we've been teaching people for years is that SE Linux strips away privileges and doesn't grant them. Changing the model would be somewhat confusing. Just to play the devil's hair-splitting advocate, if the kernel

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:25 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote: How long do we expect people to tolerate these bugs before they move on? I don't. However, for those doing support, there's better approaches than 'disable PA and carry on using the system'. There's some configuration tweaks you can make to

Re: Broken dependencies in Fedora 11 - 2009-07-28

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 20:50 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:09:30 -0700, Adam wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 23:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 01:29 +, Michael Schwendt wrote: synce-kde-0.9.1-4.fc11.ppc requires synce-serial

Re: fedora mini revisted

2009-07-29 Thread Ville-Pekka Vainio
ke, 2009-07-29 kello 15:18 +0100, Bastien Nocera kirjoitti: Is there any actual way to package Firefox extensions for Fedora? That would probably make my installs of Firebug more up-to-date... Yes. I maintain an extension which is C++ [1]. It's built against xulrunner and installed under

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 29.07.09 20:20, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: Le mercredi 29 juillet 2009 à 17:49 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: Problem is... removing or disabling PA often -does- solve a problem. Rather, it

Re: Scripted mass rebuild has completed

2009-07-29 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 11:28 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: The scripted part of the mass rebuild has completed, including the tag requests to move things into dist-f12. They will be in buildroots very soon. It has been pointed out that my tag script may have tagged some rebuilds that were older

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Ben Boeckel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 07/29/2009 11:12 AM, Thomas Janssen wrote: 2009/7/29 Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com: The link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community doesn't seem to work with konqueror. Just says 'loading' and nothing happens.

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Ben Boeckel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 07/29/2009 11:12 AM, Thomas Janssen wrote: 2009/7/29 Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com: The link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community doesn't seem to work with konqueror. Just says 'loading' and nothing happens.

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 07/29/2009 01:28 PM, Tom spot Callaway wrote: of the two with no patches landed: http://dev.jquery.com/ticket/4362 this one lacks a konqueror bug report, or at least link. at: http://code.jquery.com/jquery-nightly.js select box val() handling seems to be done at, search for: // We

Re: Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

2009-07-29 Thread Thomas Janssen
2009/7/29 Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com: On 07/29/2009 11:12 AM, Thomas Janssen wrote: 2009/7/29 Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com: The link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community doesn't seem to work with konqueror. Just says 'loading' and nothing happens.  Works in firefox.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Dr. Diesel
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote: On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: Karel Zak wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-29 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:42 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: Removing PA is far too often jumped on as the 'obvious' fix for resolving any kind of audio problem whatsoever. Even if it had nothing to do with PA in the first place. And?  

Re: Trouble with koji

2009-07-29 Thread Jussi Lehtola
edOn Wed, 2009-07-29 at 19:37 -0400, Jochen Schmitt wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 29.07.2009 12:21, schrieb Mike Bonnet: The build of ghc-editline creates 3 subpackages ghc-editline-devel ghc-editline-doc ghc-editline-prof Thank you for your hint. Now it's

Re: rawhide report: 20090729 changes

2009-07-29 Thread Quentin Armitage
The report shows there is a new version of rpm, version rpm-4.7.1-2.fc11.i586. The previous version, announced in the rawhide report 20090722 was rpm-4.7.1.1.fc12.i686. This update appears to be going the wrong way, and it seems strange for an f12 version to be replaced by an f11 version. I

Re: rawhide report: 20090729 changes

2009-07-29 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 23:30 +0100, Quentin Armitage wrote: The report shows there is a new version of rpm, version rpm-4.7.1-2.fc11.i586. The previous version, announced in the rawhide report 20090722 was rpm-4.7.1.1.fc12.i686. This update appears to be ^ going

Re: rawhide report: 20090729 changes

2009-07-29 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 05:30:57 pm Quentin Armitage wrote: The report shows there is a new version of rpm, version rpm-4.7.1-2.fc11.i586. The previous version, announced in the rawhide report 20090722 was rpm-4.7.1.1.fc12.i686. This update appears to be going the wrong way, and it seems

Re: F12 mass rebuild status

2009-07-29 Thread Christopher Stone
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Jesse Keatingjkeat...@redhat.com wrote: http://jkeating.fedorapeople.org/failed-f12-rebuilds.html xulchris (1): spambayes From build log: + /usr/lib/rpm/find-debuginfo.sh --strict-build-id /builddir/build/BUILD/spambayes-1.0.4 find: `debug': No such file or

Re: F12 mass rebuild status

2009-07-29 Thread Roland McGrath
From build log: + /usr/lib/rpm/find-debuginfo.sh --strict-build-id /builddir/build/BUILD/spambayes-1.0.4 find: `debug': No such file or directory At first glance this appears to be a problem with the debuginfo script. Is this a known issue? It should not even be run on a noarch build, I

Orphaning glade2

2009-07-29 Thread Matthias Clasen
I'm going to orphan glade2. glade3 is the only actively maintained version of glade, and I don't see a reason to keep glade2 around any longer. Matthias -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: F12 mass rebuild status

2009-07-29 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 20:29 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: It has not seen a release since November of 2006. I think we should let it slip into retirement. I'm fine with seeing it go. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating signature.asc

Re: F12 mass rebuild status

2009-07-29 Thread Todd Zullinger
Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 20:29 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: It has not seen a release since November of 2006. I think we should let it slip into retirement. I'm fine with seeing it go. I should make it clear that I'm not the owner of cogito (Chris is), nor am I a user of

FESCo meeting summary for 20090729

2009-07-29 Thread Jon Stanley
Sorry for the delay in getting this out, I was distracted right at the end of the meeting by a coworker hovering over my desk :). Summary: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-29/fedora-meeting.2009-07-29-17.01.html Log:

Re: Orphaning glade2

2009-07-29 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:41:49PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: I'm going to orphan glade2. glade3 is the only actively maintained version of glade, and I don't see a reason to keep glade2 around any longer. You should probably retire glade2 if nobody rejects. For more information look at

Re: rpms/kmess/F-11 kmess.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-07-29 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:36:42PM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: SMP == Steven M Parrish tuxbr...@fedoraproject.org writes: SMP Summary: A MSN Messenger Clone Please don't build a package with this summary. Please explain why. Regards Till pgpkbPjcHnHO3.pgp Description: PGP

Re: rpms/kmess/F-11 kmess.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-07-29 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
TM == Till Maas opensou...@till.name writes: TM Please explain why. The details are in the review ticket; I neglected to check where my message was going before I sent it. But basically, it's not permissible to say your package is a clone of X where X is a trademark. - J --

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 20090729

2009-07-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:52:04 +0200 Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:39:50PM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: 17:03:13 jds2001 #topic Raduko perl 6 17:03:16 * skvidal gives jds2001 a new 300 baud acoustic coupler to use 17:03:18 jds2001 .fesco 218 17:03:29

Re: F12 mass rebuild status

2009-07-29 Thread Jeff Garzik
Jesse Keating wrote: http://jkeating.fedorapeople.org/failed-f12-rebuilds.html chunkd should be fixed as soon as wait-repo permits :) Jeff -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2009/7/29 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com: Okay, please test this with a package that has people on the initial CC list so we've tested precisely the behaviour people are concerned about. If the initialcclist is not set when a security bug comes in I don't think there's a reason we

Re: [RFE] Auto-approve watchcommits and watchbugzilla in Pkgdb (2nd try)

2009-07-29 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 07/29/2009 08:41 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: 2009/7/29 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com: Okay, please test this with a package that has people on the initial CC list so we've tested precisely the behaviour people are concerned about. If the initialcclist is not set when a security bug

Re: rawhide report: 20090729 changes

2009-07-29 Thread Debarshi Ray
       clutter-cairomm-0.7.4-2.fc11.i586 requires libclutter-cairo-0.8.so.0        clutter-cairomm-0.7.4-2.fc11.i586 requires libcluttermm-0.8.so.2        clutter-cairomm-0.7.4-2.fc11.i586 requires libclutter-glx-0.8.so.0        clutter-cairomm-devel-0.7.4-2.fc11.i586 requires

Re: F12 mass rebuild status

2009-07-29 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Thursday 30 July 2009, Jesse Keating wrote: http://jkeating.fedorapeople.org/failed-f12-rebuilds.html scop (1): perltidy BuildrootError: could not init mock buildroot, mock exited with status 30; see root.log for more information DEBUG util.py:256:

rpms/perl-Data-ICal/devel Data-ICal-0.16.diff, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.3, 1.4 perl-Data-ICal.spec, 1.6, 1.7 sources, 1.3, 1.4

2009-07-29 Thread corsepiu
Author: corsepiu Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Data-ICal/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv14606 Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-Data-ICal.spec sources Added Files: Data-ICal-0.16.diff Log Message: * Wed Jul 29 2009 Ralf Corsépius

rpms/perl-Data-ICal/F-10 Data-ICal-0.16.diff, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.3, 1.4 perl-Data-ICal.spec, 1.4, 1.5 sources, 1.3, 1.4

2009-07-29 Thread corsepiu
Author: corsepiu Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Data-ICal/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv18733 Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-Data-ICal.spec sources Added Files: Data-ICal-0.16.diff Log Message: * Wed Jul 29 2009 Ralf Corsépius

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