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committee or rotate through some members on-list.
* Next meeting will be December 4th at 17:00UTC.
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they are
not already but I can't seem to find them in Fedora.
They're not because their build process is non-trivial, I wholly agree
it would be great to package them, but it needs someone with TEX
experience to do them.
I've already added them to the wishlist some time back.
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the
License subsection).
This one should have been passed through fedora-legal before
inclusion. Everyone please do not package any font with a new license
without getting its license approved on
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. And in the
end core fonts users would be better served by guidelines written by
less busy people who actually use the core fonts backend.
This will be my last statement on the subject. Thank you for your
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Hi,
As most of you know most of the Linux ecosystem
Le Jeu 29 novembre 2007 11:09, Hans de Goede a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
And here is the problem, when you write the level of abuse we've seen
from core font users lately below, I guess you mean mainly me, and I
apologize as I indeed have wrongly blamed the font SIG for the current
. First time I see one
of those.
D. I'd also advise taking a look at whatever solution we've arrived
for wqy-bitmap-fonts, as the massive exchanges we had on the subject
must have produced something acceptable
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Le jeudi 10 avril 2008 à 09:34 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
Le Jeu 10 avril 2008 05:05, Erdal Ronahi a écrit :
Is there any chance that packaging for one distribution (Fedora or
Debian) will spare me packaging it for the other?
None at all, unfortunately
Also, since http
Le dimanche 13 avril 2008 à 19:39 +0100, Richard Hughes a écrit :
On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 14:17 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
— help users install the right fonts on their system:
— when a user encounters some script (in its browser, office
suite, etc) the system can not render
will notice and
complain otherwise
I'm afraid most wins are in 3. 5. 6. 7., and they depend on l10n
groups telling us their wishes, which unfortunately has not happened a
lot so far. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/Triaging/L10N
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Le samedi 19 avril 2008 à 02:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
6. Have the Indic l10n group sort the huge number of indic fonts,
keeping only one package per script (sarai, lohit, smc, samyak)
Lohit is what we prefer by default for Indic. Everything else can
Le samedi 19 avril 2008 à 00:36 +0200, Sebastian Vahl a écrit :
I've got a similar question here for the KDE live images. At the moment
our fonts list is:
At first glance you could use pretty much the same advice as the live
spin, except you've already followed some of it, and you have support
, 19 בApril 2008, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le vendredi 18 avril 2008 à 15:57 -0400, Bill Nottingham a écrit :
When looking over the LiveCD manifest, and where space is going, I
can't help but notice that a lot of it goes to fonts. Here's the
full list, AFAICT. The number to the left
firefox uses which makes it loose its
little mind when font files change under it. (if anyone had a bug
pointer it'd be great)
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some other
language than english,
It may be...
but lives in the US and is stuff with A4 instead of letter.
however I do not think the fact it was discussed for an English locale
is incidental. It is pretty symptomatic of our community bias.
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summits http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/TextLayout to make contacts and
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in one go. We don't want a release to have a font package the
release fontforge can not build.
If all goes well liberation will join the built-from-source fonts this
cycle.
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to your package that
registers your font in those new families.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/Packaging/Fontconfig#Generic_names
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There are lots of unclaimed fonts on
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If you have the time and interest please do not block on Unifont. Our
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There are lots of unclaimed fonts on
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Font_wishlist
If you have the time and interest please do not block on Unifont. Our
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(unofficial cleaned-up font page ; I hope someone will the right
accesses picks it up)
Nothing earth-shattering, just a write-up of our current unwritten rules
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Le samedi 05 juillet 2008 à 11:10 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
Le vendredi 04 juillet 2008 à 22:31 -0400, Lyos Gemini Norezel a écrit :
Greetings all...
I have just submitted a package with all 5 of the fonts mentioned
in the subject line. The review request is listed here
this discussion?:
I don't do TeX. I's sure lova for a TeX expert would join the SIG and
contribute to dicussions.
(tetex-fonts-hebrew, tex-fonts-hebrew, tetex-eurofont,
tetex-font-cm-lgc, tetex-font-kerkis)
Did I miss any? :)
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Le Jeu 10 juillet 2008 16:46, Felix Miata a écrit :
On 2008/07/10 14:05 (GMT+0200) Nicolas Mailhot apparently typed:
If I had to propose a convention today that would be
foundry-name-fonts (single package)
foundry-name-fonts-sub (subpackage)
Great way to annoy people who use GUI package
to makez that
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packagers) you can drop all the
blue frames from a font wiki page when the font is done and published.
The blue frames are only there as redaction help, so you don't need to
keep them long-term.
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De: Gustavo Ferreira
À: fedora-fonts-list-request
Sujet: the ivory tower and the bazaar
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:38:59 -0300
On Jul 20, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
If the free/open font scene was striving Red Hat needn't have
shelled a
lot
Hi,
For those interested by a little history, I've added a timeline in the
wiki:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts_inclusion_history
Feel free to correct/complete it.
As anyone can check until F9 we weren't very dynamic and spent our time
renaming old packages.
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different ways, while being unable to
use any language that needed more that the 26 basic latin letters.
Of course not everyone has the same priorities.
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for older fonts. And if you can't
afford to update to the latest proprietary version, bragging about its
new coverage is sort of futile.
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Since I'm reaching the limits on the number of packages I can maintain
in my spare time, a realistic future rate all other things being equal
should be computed by removing all the packages I've done in the past
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converting old Type1 fonts to OTF lately (and then
enhancing them).
I suspect he'll tell you that's many months of work to do right but he
can give you some tips on how to start.
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certainly add it to our packaging wishlist.
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equivalent, since they are created from the same sfds),
change them for both fonts export the same family name (with
fontconfig aliasing of the upstream name) and use the same rules as
before. An example would be Old Standards.
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Le Mer 23 juillet 2008 12:23, Vasile Gaburici a écrit :
I'll share my thoughts in more detail later -- I'm in a hurry now.
One bit I was going to say:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Nicolas Mailhot
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2. I don't know what algorithm fontconfig uses to choose between
exception. That sucks
for PDF and other font embedding users but GPL without exception fonts
are allowed in the distribution.
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projects seem to prefer
the GPL, which forces us to do the please add the FSF font exception
circus.
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Le Mer 23 juillet 2008 13:47, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
The LGPL seems not to suffer from the GPL problems when applied to
fonts (but I've not done a deep analysis, IANAL). Strangely enough
it's rarely used and Free Software oriented projects seem to prefer
the GPL, which forces us to do
Le mercredi 23 juillet 2008 à 11:51 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 10:53 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
2. I don't know what algorithm fontconfig uses to choose between
several formats of the same fonts, or even if its choices are stable.
It uses the version number
and
Fedora for a while, so hopefully I'll have some experience doing this
packaging work by september/october :-)
We'll be very happy to help you get on board Fedora-side. We've still a
lot of work to do to catch up with Debian — please do not widen the gap
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Le mercredi 23 juillet 2008 à 14:36 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 20:14 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Can you patch fontconfig so apps get OTF (OpenType CFF) versions by
default, unless they explicitely request OpenType TTF files? (when the
same version
Le Mer 23 juillet 2008 21:45, James Cloos a écrit :
Nicolas == Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Nicolas Can you patch fontconfig so apps get OTF (OpenType CFF)
Nicolas versions by default, unless they explicitely request OpenType
Nicolas TTF files? (when the same version
to it (preferably using a native floss format,
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build tools not in the
repo now, please package those tools. That's what I did with xgridfit
when I packaged edrip.
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fonts do the same...
As far as I'm concerned they can use all the proprietary tools they
want as long as they do not incorporate proprietary content and their
published sources can be manipulated by floss tools we can package.
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Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 16:34, Vasile Gaburici a écrit :
I need those to install OpenType fonts for the traditional TeX! What
does Orphaned Package mean?
That means the previous packager lost interest, and no one took over
from him, so the package was removed from the repository
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to manage it. They even have their own smart
font tech, graphite. Adobe really does not play in the same space.
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loses patience with us font people?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Artistic1Removal
Victor Gaultney may cover this aspect during his talk at the next AtypI
conference:
http://atypi.org/05_Petersburg/20_main_program/view_presentation_html?presentid=465
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autogenerated font png previews)
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your snippet and it works perfectly. It's actually a very nice
trick that should be documented! I'm CC'ing fedora-fonts-list.
Thanks but really, it's a wiki you know. Anyway:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fontconfig_packaging_tips#Auto-scaling_problem_fonts
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On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 00:47 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
On Thursday, 24 July 2008 at 23:10, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
I'm proposing the following guidelines amendment:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/No_bundling_of_fonts_in_other_packages
I'm generally
On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 13:03 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote:
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:36:40PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Frankly, the other font formats are so much less useful than modern font
formats, the probability someone did creative legal restructuring is
much lower.
Anyway, I've
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On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 10:31 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
All,
After the discussion on two public lists, and some public and private
exchanges on IRC with people whose opinion I respect a lot, since no
one proposed a problem-free way to do dual format packaging, and many
objected to all
of the messages you sent
to various font projects. If you have the time, please contribute some
of it to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/DraftUpstreamRequestEmail
You seem quite capable of helping make it a terrific template.
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2008/7/25 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Nicolas Mailhot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
— We should not hide general-purpose fonts in app-specific directories.
TEX should use system fonts directly
that way if you wan to
select them as non-default fonts. I suspect this didn't originate from
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, the amount of changes to the fonts are pretty large so one
might as well wonder if we're dealing with new digitizations)
Again, this is the kind of fuzzy logic that can not stand legaly.
Jerzy might have a more detailed answer since he's in charge of the
licencing
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for everyone in the SIG, so, people, if you
don't want TEX messages to crowd the list, please speak up now.
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, Liberation…), and people still
abide with the original licensing.
(And for the record, I doubt anyone but the GUST people find their
license pretty. Legalese referensing other legalese, come on, it's not a
perl obfuscation contest)
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should be
shot, I'm thinking about you GUST and you Liberation lawyers).
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is not the on timescale you're used to, STIX happens in a strange
slow-motion plane)
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involved. Much better to have clear conventions packagers can identify
before hitting review stage.
▶▶▶ Proof of concept:
Dejavu has been used to proof the concepts in rawhide (cf the wiki page)
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New font packagers are always welcome! Your spec is not acceptable
as-is, but if you're motivated I think you'll find creating
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Le dimanche 09 novembre 2008 à 12:09 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
▶▶▶ Proof of concept:
Dejavu has been used to proof the concepts in rawhide (cf the wiki page)
To proof it some more I've separated the common macro, spec templates
and directory definitions in a separate package
Le lundi 10 novembre 2008 à 12:10 -0500, Bill Nottingham a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
▶ package splits, to offer more flexibility to spin groups and fedora
users
...
▶ help spins and users
Wanting serif from dejavu, mono from liberation, and sans from
wouldn't
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Le lundi 10 novembre 2008 à 17:17 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
To proof it some more I've separated the common macro, spec templates
and directory definitions in a separate package, then modified three
font packages to use it:
— dejavu: multiple font families, multiple fontconfig files
in the freefont package, but this
package needs to be updated and reworked to conform to guidelines
freefont has a poor reputation in font design circles, where many
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Ping?
Le dimanche 26 octobre 2008 à 21:30 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
Hi all,
When conf.avail was introduced in fontconfig we at Fedora mostly ignored
it and let font packages install their fontconfig rules directly in
conf.d
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/FontsSpecTemplate
Le Mar 18 novembre 2008 11:33, Ralf Corsepius a écrit :
On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 11:11 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Mar 18 novembre 2008 09:32, Ralf Corsepius a écrit :
Please review
http://nim.fedorapeople.org/rpm-fonts/rpm-fonts-1.8-1.fc11.src.rpm
and the other files in this directory
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: just as symlink targets. so I'm comfortable having
fontconfig in the name
(19:03:45) behdad: s/fonts.avail/conf.avail
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in the stead of developpers,
write articles in the stead of article writers.
There is not an army of me. There is one (overbooked). Please help.
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Le vendredi 21 novembre 2008 à 12:28 +0100, Dominik 'Rathann'
Mierzejewski a écrit :
On Friday, 21 November 2008 at 11:34, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
But anyway you're invited like everyone else on the list to review,
comment on and complete the current font packaging guideline change
proposal
Le vendredi 21 novembre 2008 à 12:04 +0200, Nicu Buculei a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
To avoid repeating the very unpleasant 1h30 exchange I had with infra
yesterday after sending my message to fedora-news, I know my
limitations. I don't have the capabilities, time, or means to set
wish from now on. I
personnaly do not intend to waste my personal time trying to improve
the Fedora font situation if one of the precious few levers I have at
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Except for the comps changes which seem not baked yet, that concludes
the fonts-related guidelines changes and clarifications that were
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Le lundi 22 décembre 2008 à 14:56 +0200, Sarantis Paskalis a écrit :
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 05:13:35PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Hi Sarantis,
As some of you may know, after more than a month of consultation,
feedback and tweaking new font packaging guidelines have been approved
Le lundi 22 décembre 2008 à 15:08 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
Le lundi 22 décembre 2008 à 14:56 +0200, Sarantis Paskalis a écrit :
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 05:13:35PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Hi Sarantis,
6. However, for fonts that are bundled in a software package with no
other
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Le Mar 30 décembre 2008 16:37, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
Le Mar 30 décembre 2008 15:29, Sarantis Paskalis a écrit :
Hello,
Hi,
Thank you for adapting your packages and providing feedback!
I am converting my font packages to the new guidelines and hit some
rpmlint warnings that appear
Le Mar 30 décembre 2008 18:02, H a écrit :
2008/12/30 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net
Hi Hiran,
Somebody wanted a free comic font? :)
http://serafettin.sourceforge.net/
My font http://hiran.in/blog/rufscript-font
Its just a handwriting font, not meant to be a comic one
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