Re: mockup gtk theme

2008-07-27 Thread Andy Fitzsimon
Hi martin, If you could help me understand our limitations ill make some more specific mockups for you http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3021/2706976226_d9d7e58f17_o.png http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2706174405_6f7cb0e3a7_o.png No points for being original here, I was thinking ofwhat osx

Re: Poster revision

2008-07-27 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 11:39 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: The Marketing team has been discussing how we can organize our future Fedora messaging around the 4 Foundations theme (freedom, friends, features, first). I think people here already know these terms from

Announcing New Meeting (2008-08-01)

2008-07-27 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Hi all, the last announcement was maybe a little bit too short-term, so let us give it another try! The next Education SIG's meeting would take place on: Friday, August 1 at 1800 UTC on #fedora-meeting If you're planning to participate or are just interested and going to be around then,

[Bug 456582] Review Request: tex-fontools - Tools for handling fonts with LaTeX and fontinst

2008-07-27 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 456527] Review Request: gentium-basic-fonts - Gentium Basic Font Family

2008-07-27 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Review Request: gentium-basic-fonts - Gentium Basic Font Family https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456527 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What

rpms/dejavu-fonts/devel .cvsignore, 1.49, 1.50 dejavu-fonts.spec, 1.84, 1.85 import.log, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.49, 1.50

2008-07-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Author: nim Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/dejavu-fonts/devel In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv29147/devel Modified Files: .cvsignore dejavu-fonts.spec import.log sources Log Message: Summertime release… Dedicated to the letter Ben Բ Index: .cvsignore

[Bug 456527] Review Request: gentium-basic-fonts - Gentium Basic Font Family

2008-07-27 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 456345] Review Request: sportrop-fonts - A multiline decorative font

2008-07-27 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 456345] Review Request: sportrop-fonts - A multiline decorative font

2008-07-27 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 225618] Merge Review: bitstream-vera-fonts

2008-07-27 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 456345] Review Request: sportrop-fonts - A multiline decorative font

2008-07-27 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 456345] Review Request: sportrop-fonts - A multiline decorative font

2008-07-27 Thread bugzilla
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FarsiWeb Font licensing

2008-07-27 Thread Jon Stanley
Hello, I'm interested in packaging the FarsiWeb fonts for Fedora, and I noticed that the license of the fonts is GPL. Would you consider adding the font exception as described here: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FontException Basically what this exception allows is for the font or

Re: TeX fonts, part one [Was: Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposed amendment to general packaging guidelines: no bundling of fonts in other packages]

2008-07-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 14:20 +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote: In actual fact, the reason that I had made little headway is that when you start to look at the problem carefully you start to realize that it's a bit of a mistake for Fedora to be repackaging the texlive distribution rather than

Email aliases and new cvs requests

2008-07-27 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
Hi guys, Last week Seth implemented email aliases for the people who should be notified of changes to packages. I used this new functionality to have getnotifylist, which looks up who to notify on cvs commits, stop querying the pkgdb directly (a slow operation with multiple points where it

Re: Email aliases and new cvs requests

2008-07-27 Thread Xavier Lamien
2008/7/27 Toshio Kuratomi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi guys, Last week Seth implemented email aliases for the people who should be notified of changes to packages. I used this new functionality to have getnotifylist, which looks up who to notify on cvs commits, stop querying the pkgdb directly (a

Re: Email aliases and new cvs requests

2008-07-27 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
Xavier Lamien wrote: Here's my idea for stages: 1) Request for new package with new branch is added to the packagedb. + email is sent to the related mailling list to notify that. nod Right now only cvsadmins can branch packages so we can send them mail so they can process the

Re: Email aliases and new cvs requests

2008-07-27 Thread Xavier Lamien
2008/7/27 Toshio Kuratomi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Xavier Lamien wrote: Here's my idea for stages: 1) Request for new package with new branch is added to the packagedb. + email is sent to the related mailling list to notify that. nod Right now only cvsadmins can branch packages so we

Re: Email aliases and new cvs requests

2008-07-27 Thread Mike McGrath
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Hi guys, Last week Seth implemented email aliases for the people who should be notified of changes to packages. I used this new functionality to have getnotifylist, which looks up who to notify on cvs commits, stop querying the pkgdb directly (a

Re: Email aliases and new cvs requests

2008-07-27 Thread seth vidal
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 20:39 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: Seth implemented email aliases What was the criteria for each alias? toshio setup a path from the pkgdb to pull the notify list + commit list, iirc from each pkg and that's what I used to generate the alias list. It's all checked into

Re: Email aliases and new cvs requests

2008-07-27 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
Mike McGrath wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Hi guys, Last week Seth implemented email aliases for the people who should be notified of changes to packages. I used this new functionality to have getnotifylist, which looks up who to notify on cvs commits, stop querying the

Computer name of wireless connection on router

2008-07-27 Thread Arjan Hulshoff
Hi all, I have an issue with registering my computer name on my router using Fedora 9. In fact it only causes a problem when I am using the wireless NIC. When using the wired network my computer name gets registered on my router flawlessly. The router I am using is a SMC 2804WBR.

Re: exception Emask 0x0 on harddisk

2008-07-27 Thread Huub
DRDY - Data ready (not really important here) ERR - Error occurred UNC - Uncorrectable (eg bad block) And C8 is a read command (read via DMA) Alan So the only solution to this is try to reformat and see what happens? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: Announcement: New repo with updated ClamAV packages for Fedora 8

2008-07-27 Thread Erik P. Olsen
On 27/07/08 03:53, Keith G. Robertson-Turner wrote: Verily I say unto thee, that Bob Marcan spake thusly: (Original subject: clamav 0.93 on Fedora 8) Will this ever happen ? For some reason the Fedora 8 packages for ClamAV are lagging behind F9, so I've provided updates for the following

Re: Problem with Fedora on Live USB

2008-07-27 Thread ksh shrm
I used that liveusb-creator-2.7 adios KSH SHRM People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care... 2008/7/26 Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ksh shrm wrote: I tried to install fedora 9 on my SanDisk Cruzer Micro 1 GB Pen but I got following errors in error

Last kernel Update (2.6.25.11-97) breaks wlan (iwl4965)

2008-07-27 Thread Bjoern Schiessle
Hello, since my kernel upgrade from 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.x86_64 to 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.x86_64 my wlan nic stopped working. The logs say: Jul 27 02:44:10 laptop NetworkManager: info wlan0: Device is fully-supported using driver 'iwl4965'. Jul 27 02:46:49 laptop kernel: iwl4965: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi

Re: Last kernel Update (2.6.25.11-97) breaks wlan (iwl4965)

2008-07-27 Thread John Lagrue
2008/7/27 Bjoern Schiessle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, since my kernel upgrade from 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.x86_64 to 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.x86_64 my wlan nic stopped working. The logs say: Jul 27 02:44:10 laptop NetworkManager: info wlan0: Device is fully-supported using driver 'iwl4965'. Jul 27

pulseaudio does not start after kernel update

2008-07-27 Thread Marcelo M. Garcia
Hi. I'm suspicious that PulseAudio is not starting properly after kernel updates. For example, if I start Skype, I got the message: problem with audio playback. Or if I try Applications-Sound Video-PulseAudio Volume Control, I got the message connection refused. And finally: [EMAIL

Re: exception Emask 0x0 on harddisk

2008-07-27 Thread Alan Cox
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:13:44 +0200 Huub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DRDY - Data ready (not really important here) ERR - Error occurred UNC - Uncorrectable (eg bad block) And C8 is a read command (read via DMA) Alan So the only solution to this is try to reformat and see

Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance

2008-07-27 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 00:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I'm not arguing, No, never... ;-) but Okay, I'll let you argue... ;-) a) you admit you haven't used KDE4 (or did I misunderstand?). Hadn't... Curiosity did get the better of me. I wasn't impressed. The new menus were

Wireless mouse no longer works

2008-07-27 Thread Mike Chambers
After latest updates (last day or two), my wireless mouse quit working. Logitech wireless keyboard/mouse combo are the devices, as keyboard works fine, mouse does not. Wired ps2 mouse works fine (currently using it). Anyone else noticed? -- Mike Chambers Fedora Project - Ambassador, Bug

Re: Problem with Fedora on Live USB

2008-07-27 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
ksh shrm wrote: I used that liveusb-creator-2.7 adios KSH SHRM Try running syslinux -s /dev/sdX1 replacing X with the proper drive letter for you pen drive. Mikkel -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing?

Re: pulseaudio does not start after kernel update

2008-07-27 Thread Antti J. Huhtala
su, 2008-07-27 kello 11:29 +0100, Marcelo M. Garcia kirjoitti: Hi. I'm suspicious that PulseAudio is not starting properly after kernel updates. For example, if I start Skype, I got the message: problem with audio playback. Or if I try Applications-Sound Video-PulseAudio Volume Control,

Re: KDE backgrounds and quick launcher

2008-07-27 Thread Jamie Bohr
Thank you for the advice, I am now able to set my background to what I want. Now I need to figure out how to stretch it across both displays and install that quick launcher. Thank you again On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Florian Sievert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Yes, I am running the

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 27 July 2008 03:40, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 26, 2008, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the system without a kernel has *precisely zero* usability. Yet you provided and cited the counter-example yourself: the boot loader required to load the kernel, and that

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 27, 2008, inode0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fedora, Ubuntu, and other distributions probably describe their operating systems as Linux-based in a feeble attempt to not offend people on either side of this insanity. Right. So, let's say, there's a dispute as to whether you or I wrote the

Re: fedora errors

2008-07-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 22:09 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: 2008/7/11 Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mark Haney wrote: Glen Grantham wrote: My system is an AMD 64 Athlon X2 4600+ on a GIGABYTE S-Series GA-MA74GM-S2H motherboard with a 320GB EIDE WD Caviar SE 7200RPM Hard Drive 64 bit

Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance

2008-07-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 20:54 +0930, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 00:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I'm not arguing, No, never... ;-) but Okay, I'll let you argue... ;-) a) you admit you haven't used KDE4 (or did I misunderstand?). Hadn't... Curiosity did get the

Re: Last kernel Update (2.6.25.11-97) breaks wlan (iwl4965)

2008-07-27 Thread M A Young
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Bjoern Schiessle wrote: Hello, since my kernel upgrade from 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.x86_64 to 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.x86_64 my wlan nic stopped working. I had the similar problem. It seems the GUI package manager failed to update the iwl4965-firmware package, but doing a yum update

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 27, 2008, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody is claiming that they do not deserve credit, but many do not want the pushing on of their agenda :( Exactly. And that's why they invent all these excuses. And they even fail to understand that the principles that led to the

Re: Problems with wireless (AR5007E) and standby on notebook

2008-07-27 Thread Jim
Arthur Pemberton wrote: First of, here is the smolt profile for the machine: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_4e28d6bb-5fee-4152-a260-f08ff80399e5 Check the link there on the Atheros card for info on what I have done with it so far. The gist of the matter is that as is if the notebook lid

Firefox-3 and Thunderbird as default mailto

2008-07-27 Thread Jim
FC8-i386, Kde, FireFox-3 . Can't get Send Link in FF3 to open up Thunderbird as Email client. FF3, Under Edit Preferences Applications the setting for Mailto is Thunderbird Default. I also have Gnome-Control-Center installed and default Mail is set to Thunderbird . What is not set, that

Older machine, Install-DVD doesnt boot

2008-07-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello to all of you! First; please excuse my bad english, I really do give my best... ;-) Here's my problem: I've got an older pc (Asus Cusi-M) with Celeron(1100MHz), 500MB RAM. As I tried to boot the installation-dvd (which works with nearly every other distribution, e.g.ubuntu does and is

Re: Announcement: New repo with updated ClamAV packages for Fedora 8

2008-07-27 Thread Keith G. Robertson-Turner
Verily I say unto thee, that Erik P. Olsen spake thusly: On 27/07/08 03:53, Keith G. Robertson-Turner wrote: Verily I say unto thee, that Bob Marcan spake thusly: (Original subject: clamav 0.93 on Fedora 8) Will this ever happen ? For some reason the Fedora 8 packages for ClamAV are

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Nobody is claiming that they do not deserve credit, but many do not want the pushing on of their agenda :( Exactly. And that's why they invent all these excuses. And they even fail to understand that the principles that led to the creation of all this software is the

Re: Last kernel Update (2.6.25.11-97) breaks wlan (iwl4965)

2008-07-27 Thread Bjoern Schiessle
M A Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had the similar problem. It seems the GUI package manager failed to update the iwl4965-firmware package, but doing a yum update fixed it. thank you! yum update worked for me too. I'm quite new to Fedora so i wonder how such things can happen? The kernel

Re: Last kernel Update (2.6.25.11-97) breaks wlan (iwl4965)

2008-07-27 Thread Björn Persson
Bjoern Schiessle wrote: M A Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had the similar problem. It seems the GUI package manager failed to update the iwl4965-firmware package, but doing a yum update fixed it. thank you! yum update worked for me too. I'm quite new to Fedora so i wonder how such

Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance

2008-07-27 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 10:08 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Sorry Tim, I thought you were one of those complaining about KDE4 compared to KDE3, when in fact you're arguing for Gnome over KDE. That's fine, but it's a different discussion. There's a bit of both. I definitely think Gnome is

Fedora 8 and partitioning

2008-07-27 Thread Adil Drissi
Hi, I have winXP installed in my lapop. When installing it i choose to create a new partition (D:) that i was intending to use for fedora8. After installing fedora 8, now i have both operating systems windows uses c: (20GB) i have D: accessible from windows that i can format to either FAT or

Fedora 8 and partitioning

2008-07-27 Thread Adil Drissi
Hi, I have winXP installed in my lapop. When installing it i choose to create a new partition (D:) that i was intending to use for fedora8. After installing fedora 8, now i have both operating systems windows uses c: (20GB) i have D: accessible from windows that i can format to either FAT or

Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance

2008-07-27 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 02:27 +0930, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 10:08 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Sorry Tim, I thought you were one of those complaining about KDE4 compared to KDE3, when in fact you're arguing for Gnome over KDE. That's fine, but it's a different discussion.

Do I get a copy of my mail to fedora-list?

2008-07-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi to all! I'm new to this list and I wonder if my mail reaches the list or not. So do I get my message back by default? Because I already sent a mail, but didn't get it from the list... Please excuse my english ;-) Greetz, Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To

Re: Do I get a copy of my mail to fedora-list?

2008-07-27 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:09:01 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all! I'm new to this list and I wonder if my mail reaches the list or not. So do I get my message back by default? Because I already sent a mail, but didn't get it from the list... Please excuse my english ;-)

Re: Last kernel Update (2.6.25.11-97) breaks wlan (iwl4965)

2008-07-27 Thread Bjoern Schiessle
Björn Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess the firmware package hadn't yet reached the mirror you used when you upgraded the kernel. Later, when you ran yum update, the firmware package was there, or maybe Yum chose another mirror. Thank you for the explanation! But shouldn't the tool

Re: Do I get a copy of my mail to fedora-list?

2008-07-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 19:26 +0200 schrieb Michael Schwendt: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:09:01 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all! I'm new to this list and I wonder if my mail reaches the list or not. So do I get my message back by default? Because I already sent a

Re: Do I get a copy of my mail to fedora-list?

2008-07-27 Thread Armin
On Sunday 27 July 2008 14:09:01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all! I'm new to this list and I wonder if my mail reaches the list or not. So do I get my message back by default? Because I already sent a mail, but didn't get it from the list... Please excuse my english ;-) Greetz,

Re: Do I get a copy of my mail to fedora-list?

2008-07-27 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 19:09 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all! I'm new to this list and I wonder if my mail reaches the list or not. So do I get my message back by default? Because I already sent a mail, but didn't get it from the list... Please excuse my english ;-)

yum glibc-common problem

2008-07-27 Thread Rich Emberson
Earlier this week I attempted a 'yum update' on one of my Fedora 9 systems and it failed. I have two Fedora 9 systems behind my firewall and the firewall machine itself runs an earlier version of Fedora communicating with the net via DSL. The yum failure was because I could not download

Re: Do I get a copy of my mail to fedora-list?

2008-07-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 10:47 -0700 schrieb Craig White: On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 19:09 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all! I'm new to this list and I wonder if my mail reaches the list or not. So do I get my message back by default? Because I already sent a mail, but

Re: Last kernel Update (2.6.25.11-97) breaks wlan (iwl4965)

2008-07-27 Thread M A Young
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Björn Persson wrote: I guess the firmware package hadn't yet reached the mirror you used when you upgraded the kernel. Later, when you ran yum update, the firmware package was there, or maybe Yum chose another mirror. The problem is that the iwl4965 firmware package was

Re: Wireless mouse no longer works

2008-07-27 Thread Nifty Fedora Mitch
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 07:17:05AM -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: After latest updates (last day or two), my wireless mouse quit working. Logitech wireless keyboard/mouse combo are the devices, as keyboard works fine, mouse does not. Wired ps2 mouse works fine (currently using it). Anyone

Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance

2008-07-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 27 July 2008 12:24:19 Tim wrote: The new menus were tedious and slow to use, in even more annoying ways than the old menus. Who thought that click, wait, menus sliding out of site to be replaced with a submenu moving into the box, was going to be a useful thing to do? It's as bad

Re: Export and Import Printer configuration

2008-07-27 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 09:03 -0400, TechList wrote: Hello, I used to use printconf-tui -Xexport and printconf-tui -Ximport to copy printer configuration from one machine to another so that for machines on the same network I only have to set printer by hand once with system-config-printer.

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread g
Ed Greshko wrote: Oh, goodie Another thread to filter... at least it is only a '+' click with thunderbird. :o) -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer

2008-07-27 Thread g
Craig White wrote: snip if you go back to my original post - nowhere did I ever make mention of Firefox, nor did Andy who confirmed the problem. well, in your own words 'leap to conclusions do we?', seems to include you in that 'we'. i do not find that i made reference to which post.

Re: Fedora 8 and partitioning

2008-07-27 Thread Adil Drissi
Hi, i reinstalled fedora before reading your message. I did it in my way i removed the two windows partitions in the installation process. Now i have in the file system some 24GB. I have another problem now. I trying to install gcc because i didn't choose to do so during the installation

Re: Fedora 8 and partitioning

2008-07-27 Thread Adil Drissi
Hi, I retarted my machine the problem seem fixed. Thanks --- On Sun, 7/27/08, Adil Drissi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Adil Drissi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora 8 and partitioning To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com, Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday,

Re: Export and Import Printer configuration

2008-07-27 Thread TechList
On Sunday 27 July 2008 03:54:44 pm Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 09:03 -0400, TechList wrote: Hello, I used to use printconf-tui -Xexport and printconf-tui -Ximport to copy printer configuration from one machine to another so that for machines on the same network I only have

Re: Fedora 8 and partitioning

2008-07-27 Thread TechList
On Sunday 27 July 2008 05:03:32 pm Adil Drissi wrote: Hi, i reinstalled fedora before reading your message. I did it in my way i removed the two windows partitions in the installation process. Now i have in the file system some 24GB. I have another problem now. I trying to install gcc because

Re: Do I get a copy of my mail to fedora-list?

2008-07-27 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:51:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 10:47 -0700 schrieb Craig White: On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 19:09 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all! I'm new to this list and I wonder if my mail reaches the list or not. So do I get

Re: pulseaudio does not start after kernel update

2008-07-27 Thread Andrea
Antti J. Huhtala wrote: su, 2008-07-27 kello 11:29 +0100, Marcelo M. Garcia kirjoitti: Yes, same and similar problems. I haven't tried Skype but when I redirected gtreamer stream to USB headphones instead of the usual loudspeakers of my Athlon64 desktop, Rhythmbox would play one track for a

Misunderstanding GPL's terms and conditions as restrictions (was: Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?)

2008-07-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
I'm changing the Subject: header because some people who are not reading the thread seem to have inferred, from the unchanging subject, that the original huge thread was all about a single topic. Although this particular topic would probably be a better fit for fedora-legal, I believe most of its

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 27 July 2008 14:54, Alexandre Oliva wrote: They just want you to push on their agenda. What do you get out of it? Err... I happen to work for the goals I myself believe in. That's why I co-founded FSFLA, a completely autonomous organization. It just so happens to pursue the

Re: Problems with wireless (AR5007E) and standby on notebook

2008-07-27 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: First of, here is the smolt profile for the machine: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_4e28d6bb-5fee-4152-a260-f08ff80399e5 Check the link there on the Atheros card for info on what I have done with it

OT: Atheros releases free Linux driver for Its 802.11n Devices

2008-07-27 Thread Antonio Olivares
Dear all, I have read some good news(I hope), that Atheros will be releasing some new drivers for Atheros based wireless. I hope that it will be better than the ath5k which was ported from OpenBSD and then fixed! How soon can we see this new driver in Fedora? If I am not mistaken it is

Misunderstanding GPL's terms and conditions as restrictions (was: Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?)

2008-07-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 26, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gordon Messmer wrote: In the context of a legal interpretation of a distribution license (copyright license), work as a whole does not mean each individual part. Of course it does, or proprietary parts could be included - or linkages

Re: Do I get a copy of my mail to fedora-list?

2008-07-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 10:47 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 19:09 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all! I'm new to this list and I wonder if my mail reaches the list or not. So do I get my message back by default? Because I already sent a mail, but didn't

Re: Announcement: New repo with updated ClamAV packages for Fedora 8

2008-07-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Keith G. Robertson-Turner wrote: Also I'm still investigating the legality of building unrar against GPL sources. I think this is not a question of whether the author gives his permission to distribute freeware, but more a question of whether GPL software can be linked to proprietary software.

Re: pulseaudio does not start after kernel update

2008-07-27 Thread the bx
Trouble in F8 land too. I have switched kernel but it doesn't work. The new kernel is 2.6.25.11-60.fc8. I'm typing this from 2.6.25.6-27.fc8 but still no audio. I have tried rebuilding pulseaudio but after more than an hour, I'm giving up. At first, I had to purge pulseaudio - yum erase

Re: Export and Import Printer configuration

2008-07-27 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 17:31 -0400, TechList wrote: On Sunday 27 July 2008 03:54:44 pm Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 09:03 -0400, TechList wrote: Hello, I used to use printconf-tui -Xexport and printconf-tui -Ximport to copy printer configuration from one machine to

Re: Misunderstanding GPL's terms and conditions as restrictions (was: Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?)

2008-07-27 Thread Antonio Olivares
I'm changing the Subject: header because some people who are not reading the thread seem to have inferred, from the unchanging subject, that the original huge thread was all about a single topic. Although this particular topic would probably be a better fit for fedora-legal, I believe

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Gordon Messmer
Marko Vojinovic wrote: For one, I am also a believer in FOSS and all that, am willing to acknowledge appropriate credit to GNU, as a user I can say it is pretty good software. Given that, I could even go that far to accept the name GNU/Linux ;-) , but somehow I still refrain from doing so.

Re: F8 NetworkManager going crazy at startup

2008-07-27 Thread TechList
On Thursday 24 July 2008 12:49:30 pm Konstantin Svist wrote: Christoph Höger wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 23.07.2008, 16:18 -0700 schrieb Konstantin Svist: Hi, I've noticed a problem with NM recently (might've happened after a system update, not 100% sure when it started). When I log into

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 3:40 PM On Sunday 27 July 2008 14:54, Alexandre

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Gordon Messmer
Antonio Olivares wrote: When this project was born, RMS should have demanded right then and there that the project be named GNU/Linux, I have read that he suggested LiGNUX, but that it sounded awkward At the time, RMS had no reason to suggest any such thing. When he was suggesting names for

Re: Last kernel Update (2.6.25.11-97) breaks wlan (iwl4965)

2008-07-27 Thread John Lagrue
2008/7/27 M A Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Bjoern Schiessle wrote: Hello, since my kernel upgrade from 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.x86_64 to 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.x86_64 my wlan nic stopped working. I had the similar problem. It seems the GUI package manager failed to update the

Re: Misunderstanding GPL's terms and conditions as restrictions (was: Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?)

2008-07-27 Thread Gordon Messmer
Antonio Olivares wrote: I have gotten more of an insight on this issue and I have to say that although you have many good points, Les has very good points as well. I have gotten some input regarding issues with GPL. ... /* name withheld to protect the identity of this previous GPL author */

Re: Misunderstanding GPL's terms and conditions as restrictions

2008-07-27 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 26, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gordon Messmer wrote: In the context of a legal interpretation of a distribution license (copyright license), work as a whole does not mean each individual part. Of course it does, or proprietary parts could be

Re: Misunderstanding GPL's terms and conditions as restrictions (was: Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?)

2008-07-27 Thread Les Mikesell
Antonio Olivares wrote: I know I will hear some comments, but these are some of the reasons why many developers try to avoid the GPL. Here's probably the strongest case against it. The GPL is an universal receiver of software from other licenses but it does not allow GPL code to move

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Antonio Olivares
At the time, RMS had no reason to suggest any such thing. When he was suggesting names for Linus' kernel, the difference between the GNU OS and the then-unnamed kernel was a common understanding. People had not yet begun to incorrectly refer to the GNU OS as Linux. -- It is hard

Re: Misunderstanding GPL's terms and conditions as restrictions

2008-07-27 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: If the FSF doesn't not believe that the work-as-a-whole clause actually means the terms must cover the work as a whole, It does. The terms are permissions, the conditions are requirements for the exercise of the permissions. GPL terms are not only permissions, they

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 27, 2008, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Memtest runs under the bios operating system. Nope. It does rely on probing and some BIOS configuration tables to find out what it's running on, but that's about it. No operating system involved. No program runs without some sort of

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 27, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps no code is shared, but what about the design? GNU's not Unix. The credit for the design is right there in the name. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: Misunderstanding GPL's terms and conditions as restrictions

2008-07-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 27, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: IOW, the whole is under the terms and conditions of the GPL. The permissions (1-3, in GPLv2) apply to each and every part as a consequence of this. Not _just_ the permissions. The exact terms of the license must

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 26, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd prefer that the Linux based distros had shared more of the BSD-origin work rather than the GPL-encumbered GNU copies. Obviously. Have you ever wondered why? -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free

Re: Announcement: New repo with updated ClamAV packages for Fedora 8

2008-07-27 Thread Keith G. Robertson-Turner
Verily I say unto thee, that Rahul Sundaram spake thusly: Keith G. Robertson-Turner wrote: Also I'm still investigating the legality of building unrar against GPL sources. I think this is not a question of whether the author gives his permission to distribute freeware, but more a question of

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 26, 2008, Gordon Messmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theo continued to complain about the lack of cooperation between the Linux driver authors and the original OpenBSD developers. The problem that he perceived was that the Linux driver developers created a derived work, and the code that

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 26, 2008, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, RMS and GNU did begin to create an operating system, but failed to finish it before Linus took the unfinished OS and finished it himself. IOW, Linus completed GNU? And now they ask for credit? For what? For cloningenhancing

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-27 Thread Ric Moore
On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 13:49 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: I have also found a page in which it clearly explains some problems with the GPL snippage The analogy collapses once you realize that information can not be moved, only copied, and matter can not be copied, only moved.

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-27 Thread Ric Moore
On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 10:29 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: which is an interesting read as well. Here's a quote taken directly from it if you add 'large pieces of originality' to the code which are valid for copyright protection on their own, you may choose to put a different and separate

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