[Felvtalk] a decision
I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with problems. If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your heartnot your mind but your heart. On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Thanks Marylyn and Sally. I have never heard of an animal communicator. And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet. We agreed though that we are going to before making a decision. My husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some changes that may help him. I gave my husband a good lashing about getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him. He's always been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him. SO we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see if there is anything to help him. The only problem is, you know yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose. I can almost predict what Len's vet will do. Prednisone and antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray. I've practically broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len. Still, we'll take him in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at night. AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal communicator in my area. Again, thanks girls for the advice. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with problems. If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your heartnot your mind but your heart. On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Marylyn wrote: Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm? Perhaps try some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever anxieties he may have? I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue Remedy. This is assuming he is having some problems because of anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety over the problems. Just ideas. If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone. Here is the emails of two I know personally: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ann Baumbach)[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Judy Guetig Greenberg). You can email them and ask questions re their qualifications, prices, etc. There are wonderful articles on the internet if you Google for them. This is a website that has some information on it: http://www.horizonvetserv.com You can do this yourself but you may find that you are too close to the situation. As always, I am putting this on the table. Take what works for you and leave the rest. If none of it feels right to you, do not feel bad. We are all on our own paths and they are not the same. Good luck. On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Marylyn and Sally. I have never heard of an animal communicator. And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet. We agreed though that we are going to before making a decision. My husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some changes that may help him. I gave my husband a good lashing about getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him. He's always been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him. SO we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see if there is anything to help him. The only problem is, you know yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose. I can almost predict what Len's vet will do. Prednisone and antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray. I've practically broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len. Still, we'll take him in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at night. AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal communicator in my area. Again, thanks girls for the advice. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Thanks again Marylyn. I had just sat down to do some googling for Len. We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily cleanable flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room. We're also able to leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not wide enough that intruders could get in. The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out there during the day. It's at night when the problems arise, kind of like my mom was with Alzheimer's. | want to do some searching about medications too, perhaps sedative and/or calming type products. I have cat nip growing all over the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff. I am also going to look for the Feliway. It's certainly worth a try. We're not going to give up on him yet. I just don't think it's quite the time. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Marylyn wrote: Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm? Perhaps try some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever anxieties he may have? I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue Remedy. This is assuming he is having some problems because of anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety over the problems. Just ideas. If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone. Here is the emails of two I know personally: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ann Baumbach) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Judy Guetig Greenberg). You can email them and ask questions re their qualifications, prices, etc. There are wonderful articles on the internet if you Google for them. This is a website that has some information on it: http://www.horizonvetserv.com You can do this yourself but you may find that you are too close to the situation. As always, I am putting this on the table. Take what works for you and leave the rest. If none of it feels right to you, do not feel bad. We are all on our own paths and they are not the same. Good luck. On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Marylyn and Sally. I have never heard of an animal communicator. And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet. We agreed though that we are going to before making a decision. My husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some changes that may help him. I gave my husband a good lashing about getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him. He's always been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him. SO we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see if there is anything to help him. The only problem is, you know yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose. I can almost predict what Len's vet will do. Prednisone and antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray. I've practically broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len. Still, we'll take him in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at night. AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal communicator in my area. Again, thanks girls for the advice. Lynne __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Marylyn wrote: You are listening to your heart. This is good. Try some fresh catnip now that he is having problems. Tastes change and a few leaves won't hurt a thing. On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks again Marylyn. I had just sat down to do some googling for Len. We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily cleanable flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room. We're also able to leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not wide enough that intruders could get in. The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out there during the day. It's at night when the problems arise, kind of like my mom was with Alzheimer's. | want to do some searching about medications too, perhaps sedative and/or calming type products. I have cat nip growing all over the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff. I am also going to look for the Feliway. It's certainly worth a try. We're not going to give up on him yet. I just don't think it's quite the time. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Marylyn wrote: You are listening to your heart. This is good. Try some fresh catnip now that he is having problems. Tastes change and a few leaves won't hurt a thing. On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks again Marylyn. I had just sat down to do some googling for Len. We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily cleanable flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room. We're also able to leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not wide enough that intruders could get in. The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out there during the day. It's at night when the problems arise, kind of like my mom was with Alzheimer's. | want to do some searching about medications too, perhaps sedative and/or calming type products. I have cat nip growing all over the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff. I am also going to look for the Feliway. It's certainly worth a try. We're not going to give up on him yet. I just don't think it's quite the time. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Format
Is there a way to format how we receive the posts? I find it very difficult to see where one post begins/ends. There used to be numbers in the body that corresponded with the top of the email but they aren't there anymore. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Thank you Wendy. I don't think he's dehydrated. He has always been a water lover. Bob changes his water several times a day when I'm at work so he always has fresh water. Len always drinks after he eats. I think it's a pretty simple matter of senile dementia. I swear it's like watching my mom die all over again, only he's a cat. The wasting away is so familiar. If he were to stop eating and drinking we'd be off to the vet in a flash for the inevitable. For now I think we will just try keeping him as comfortable as we can, pay a lot of attention to him and watch him closely. Snowy knows he'a not well and always steps aside if he is coming toward her. The other night we were out in the grass and to show you how hard it is for Len to make a decision, Snowy was laying in his path and rather than walk around, he stopped, looked confused and proceded to walk over top of her. She just watched in amazement. The poor old guy. Lynne - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision Hi Lynne, I am so sorry that your kitty isn't doing well. Do you think he's dehydrated at all? Because if he is, subQ fluids will make him feel better until it is time to go. I know how torturous it is to go through this waiting period, so please be very kind and gentle with yourself. You can deal with this, and I know you want to for your kitty's sake. Praying for strength for you. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floo r. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote: Be very careful with lavender. There is something in the essential oil that is poisonous to cats. Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, says. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway. I cannot imagine vets not carrying it. Oh well. On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote: I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT Dementia
Lynne I am sure you have already googled it, but these seemed to be a reasonanle expaination of Feline dementia. I am always learning http://cat-care.suite101.com/article.cfm/does_your_cat_have_alzheimers I too have emailed an animal communicator I used during the time when I lost so many kitties to feline leukemia. It was a great comfort. It has been almost two years since I emailed her, so hopefully she uses the same email address. Sally On 8/2/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Really? I make linen spray with the smallest amount of lavender essential oil for it's aromatic effect only. It's known to be calming and also good for headaches. Snowy never gets any on her directly, we just like going to bed with the nice scent in the air. I will read up on that however. But for now I'm going to order the Feliway. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: Marylyn Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote: Be very careful with lavender. There is something in the essential oil that is poisonous to cats. Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, says. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway. I cannot imagine vets not carrying it. Oh well. On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote: I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT Dementia
No I haven't Sally but I will now. Thanks Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: FeLV Talk Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] OT Dementia Lynne I am sure you have already googled it, but these seemed to be a reasonanle expaination of Feline dementia. I am always learning http://cat-care.suite101.com/article.cfm/does_your_cat_have_alzheimers I too have emailed an animal communicator I used during the time when I lost so many kitties to feline leukemia. It was a great comfort. It has been almost two years since I emailed her, so hopefully she uses the same email address. Sally On 8/2/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability
most vets here don't carry it, as it's not a medicine--but for a brief period last year, no STORES could carry it because the state of michigan decided that it was a drug, and the company that made it refused to put it through the years of clinical trials involved, since no OTHER state was treating it as a drug. it is now available in pet stores again, so i guess the state gave that little money-making scheme up. On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote: Be very careful with lavender. There is something in the essential oil that is poisonous to cats. Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, says. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway. I cannot imagine vets not carrying it. Oh well. On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote: I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
Sally, your Zoe looks like my Isobel! Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 12:43 AM Hi I have enjoyed the pictures. I added a couple to my website plus a little story told though JJ's eyes. I hope you enjoy it. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/viewtopic.php?f=5t=78 I will always miss my Junior. Sally On 8/1/08, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. Belinda posted pics of my kitties Morrison, Isobel and Ash. Check them out :) Thanks Belinda! Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:12 AM Hi Jennifer, I have created a photo album for anyone who would like to post their kitties, positive or otherwise for all us to see. Just send me your photos in an email/s or if you know how to zip them you can do that. I will put them in your own album. Let me know what you would like your album name to be, try to keep it 5 words or less. The album is here: http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/ -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... BelindaSauro.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
Thank you! Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:27 AM Great photos Jennifer. Thanks for sending them. It's great toconnect faces with names. They are beautiful. Jane On Aug 1, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Jennifer wrote: Hi everyone. Belinda posted pics of my kitties Morrison, Isobel and Ash. Check them out :) Thanks Belinda! Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:12 AM Hi Jennifer, I have created a photo album for anyone who would like to post their kitties, positive or otherwise for all us to see. Just send me your photos in an email/s or if you know how to zip them you can do that. I will put them in your own album. Let me know what you would like your album name to be, try to keep it 5 words or less. The album is here: http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/ -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... BelindaSauro.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
I'm so sorry to hear that :( It's really really tough when they get older. Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] a decision To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:33 PM I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Do they really work? I've heard really bad stories about pet psychics. I'm sure animals can be tapped into because they have brains, they have feelings, they can think...but I don't know...the whole thing seems a bit hoaky. I'd like to be proven wrong though. Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:43 PM Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with problems. If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your heart.not your mind but your heart. On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Supplements
What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
you are welcome... I believe Zoe and JJ came from a house across the street from me. A household with young kids. Both of them are wild and full of energy. They both wanted to climb and get up in high places. JJ will literally climb the door frame of my bedroom. I do not see how he holds on. He also chases imaginary things, I think is Junior(angel). Thanks Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
There are lots of things people use but Lysine is used by many people with FeLV and FIV cats as an immune support. I use this on my cats. Moducare, although, I haven't figured out how to give it to my cats yet. Your supposed to give it on an empty stomach because it binds with cholesterol and I really don't want to put my FeLV+ through the stress of pilling them everyday. I suppose you could give it with food that didn't have cholesterol, but most of those foods are vegetables and my guys aren't interested. I tried egg whites and they didn't go for that either. If anyone knows how to get Moducare into the cats without pilling and without cholesterol, please let me know. Transfer Factor. I don't have any experience with this one so I won't comment on it. Lactoferrin, I know people using this on their FIV+ cats. And I am sure there are many others. Gary - Original Message - From: Jennifer To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Supplements What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3318 (20080801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
Thanks Gary. These are veterinarian prescribed, or they can be purchased OTC at PetSmart or something? Ash sees his vet on the 14th so I am going to ask him just to be sure. I just wanted to go in there with some supplement names to throw at him. Thanks again! Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Sat, 8/2/08, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 8:33 PM There are lots of things people use but Lysine is used by many people with FeLV and FIV cats as an immune support. I use this on my cats. Moducare, although, I haven't figured out how to give it to my cats yet. Your supposed to give it on an empty stomach because it binds with cholesterol and I really don't want to put my FeLV+ through the stress of pilling them everyday. I suppose you could give it with food that didn't have cholesterol, but most of those foods are vegetables and my guys aren't interested. I tried egg whites and they didn't go for that either. If anyone knows how to get Moducare into the cats without pilling and without cholesterol, please let me know. Transfer Factor. I don't have any experience with this one so I won't comment on it. Lactoferrin, I know people using this on their FIV+ cats. And I am sure there are many others. Gary - Original Message - From: Jennifer To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Supplements What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3318 (20080801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
I believe that L-lysine (pure) is very important in boosting the immune system. It's an anti-viral and a natural amino acid. It cannot be overdosed as it's water soluble. Some people love Vitamin C, but I don't have any personal experience using that with my cats. Best Friends Animal Sanctuary gives intra-muscular shots (versus IV, as some people do) to their FeLV+'s of Immuno-Regulin once a week I believe (although it might just be monthly or bi-monthly). :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 3:07:20 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Supplements What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
These are all OTC, do an online search for the best price. For Lysine: I buy it in a one pound container, last time I paid $17.88 including shipping (about 800 doses at 500mg). It's powder and I just disolve it in a little water and pour it on their food, it has no taste or smell. You can buy it anyplace they sell vitamins in capsule form. I give them 250mg twice a day if they aren't having any problems and 500mg twice a day if they are fighting off something or recovering. Moducare: I think I paid about $37 at puritan.com and got free shipping at that time. I haven't purchased the others yet. Gary - Original Message - From: Jennifer To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements Thanks Gary. These are veterinarian prescribed, or they can be purchased OTC at PetSmart or something? Ash sees his vet on the 14th so I am going to ask him just to be sure. I just wanted to go in there with some supplement names to throw at him. Thanks again! Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Pet-co has feliway. I swear by it. It has gotten me and my kitties thru some very rough times. It really does work. alice - Original Message - From: Marylynmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marylynmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote: Be very careful with lavender. There is something in the essential oil that is poisonous to cats. Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, says. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway. I cannot imagine vets not carrying it. Oh well. On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote: I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
Thank you so much for your help. I appreciate it Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Sat, 8/2/08, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 9:31 PM These are all OTC, do an online search for the best price. For Lysine: I buy it in a one pound container, last time I paid $17.88 including shipping (about 800 doses at 500mg). It's powder and I just disolve it in a little water and pour it on their food, it has no taste or smell. You can buy it anyplace they sell vitamins in capsule form. I give them 250mg twice a day if they aren't having any problems and 500mg twice a day if they are fighting off something or recovering. Moducare: I think I paid about $37 at puritan.com and got free shipping at that time. I haven't purchased the others yet. Gary - Original Message - From: Jennifer To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements Thanks Gary. These are veterinarian prescribed, or they can be purchased OTC at PetSmart or something? Ash sees his vet on the 14th so I am going to ask him just to be sure. I just wanted to go in there with some supplement names to throw at him. Thanks again! Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
here's the direct quote from susan little, dvm, head of the Winn Feline Foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org), Lysine is only helpful for control of herpesvirus infections. Otherwise, it has no effect on the immune system and no effect against other pathogens as far as we know. It is herpesvirus- specific. And if you give arginine at the same time, you cancel out the effect of the lysine, so it would be totally pointless. ( [EMAIL PROTECTED], message #92072, forgive me dr susan!) this was one of the many times she has repeated this; i've got the same thing repeated by a major cat rescuer/transporter in another place in my files, and if you go back in the archives you'll see that i and other have repeated this over and over again: LYSINE ONLY AFFECTS THE HERPES VIRUS. it's a marvelous thing, it trick the virus into not replicating, it's probably the only thing that i know that MDs and DOs and DDS and DVMs and practitioners of every other purrsuasion and specialty agree upon. we do no one any good when we repeat information without questioning it and finding out the details and veracity. please. MC On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:33 PM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are lots of things people use but Lysine is used by many people with FeLV and FIV cats as an immune support. I use this on my cats. Moducare, although, I haven't figured out how to give it to my cats yet. Your supposed to give it on an empty stomach because it binds with cholesterol and I really don't want to put my FeLV+ through the stress of pilling them everyday. I suppose you could give it with food that didn't have cholesterol, but most of those foods are vegetables and my guys aren't interested. I tried egg whites and they didn't go for that either. If anyone knows how to get Moducare into the cats without pilling and without cholesterol, please let me know. Transfer Factor. I don't have any experience with this one so I won't comment on it. Lactoferrin, I know people using this on their FIV+ cats. And I am sure there are many others. Gary - Original Message - *From:* Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:07 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Supplements What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3318 (20080801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
There is this feral cat where I work. She has been fixed and her ear has been clipped. Getting her to a vet would be impossible as I imagine she would not get in a trap again. That being said she is very friendly to one lady at work who feeds her canned food. Anyway for the past couple months she has had on and off runny eyes and nose. She sneezes. Well figuring there was a chance it was herpes virus I gave Pat Junior's left over Lysine. In a weeks time she started clearing up. Baby Girl is feeling much better. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
And again, I defend my stance. Lysine deficiencies can result in lowered immune function. Period. Even if it only helps combat the herpes virus (as opposed to FeLV), it is STILL AN IMMUNE SYSTEM BOOSTER! And keeping the immune system boosted is of utmost importance in keeping the FeLV virus from kicking in. That is why we say a great diet and a stress-free environment are the two most important things in keeping FeLV+ kitties healthy, because those things help the immune system stay strong. The quote you sent says specificially that even though it helps control the herpes virus, they believe lysine has no effect on the immune system and no effect on other pathogens AS FAR AS THEY KNOW. Which means they don't know for sure it does not. Lysine is an essential amino acid that the human body needs (not sure about the feline body, but I'm betting yes), yet cannot make it on it's own. It must come from food/external sources. Lysine helps to form and maintain muscle, bone, and other tissues. Often, the FeLV virus manifests itself in the bone marrow, which we all know is when the disease causes fatal problems, such as lymphoma and anemia. While I am no doctor or scientist, given this knowledge, it's still common sense to me that an amino acid that aids in maintaining bone and tissue would be beneficial to fighting FeLV when you consider the implications on the bone marrow. I don't think there are enough/any studies done to say that lysine does not directly combat the FeLV virus/virus replication. If there are, could you kindly post those studies MC? And a moratorium on the sarcasm would also be appreciated by me especially. Respectfully, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 5:08:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements here's the direct quote from susan little, dvm, head of the Winn Feline Foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org), Lysine is only helpful for control of herpesvirus infections. Otherwise, it has no effect on the immune system and no effect against other pathogens as far as we know. It is herpesvirus- specific. And if you give arginine at the same time, you cancel out the effect of the lysine, so it would be totally pointless. ([EMAIL PROTECTED], message #92072, forgive me dr susan!) this was one of the many times she has repeated this; i've got the same thing repeated by a major cat rescuer/transporter in another place in my files, and if you go back in the archives you'll see that i and other have repeated this over and over again: LYSINE ONLY AFFECTS THE HERPES VIRUS. it's a marvelous thing, it trick the virus into not replicating, it's probably the only thing that i know that MDs and DOs and DDS and DVMs and practitioners of every other purrsuasion and specialty agree upon. we do no one any good when we repeat information without questioning it and finding out the details and veracity. please. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability
Thank goodness I have never had that problem and my vets (both regular and holistic) believe in it, use it and sell it. I do not like the plug in version at all though. On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: most vets here don't carry it, as it's not a medicine--but for a brief period last year, no STORES could carry it because the state of michigan decided that it was a drug, and the company that made it refused to put it through the years of clinical trials involved, since no OTHER state was treating it as a drug. it is now available in pet stores again, so i guess the state gave that little money- making scheme up. On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote: Be very careful with lavender. There is something in the essential oil that is poisonous to cats. Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, says. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway. I cannot imagine vets not carrying it. Oh well. On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote: I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
Sally, Junior was so handsome. Funny, I always pictured him as a grey and white kittie. I'm happy to have finally met him. I can imagine how much you miss him. Jane On Aug 1, 2008, at 10:44 PM, Sally Davis wrote: JJ is adorable Sharyl --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 8:43 PM Hi I have enjoyed the pictures. I added a couple to my website plus a little story told though JJ's eyes. I hope you enjoy it. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/viewtopic.php?f=5t=78 I will always miss my Junior. Sally On 8/1/08, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. Belinda posted pics of my kitties Morrison, Isobel and Ash. Check them out :) Thanks Belinda! Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:12 AM Hi Jennifer, I have created a photo album for anyone who would like to post their kitties, positive or otherwise for all us to see. Just send me your photos in an email/s or if you know how to zip them you can do that. I will put them in your own album. Let me know what you would like your album name to be, try to keep it 5 words or less. The album is here: http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/ -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... BelindaSauro.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php? sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php? sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm? Perhaps try some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever anxieties he may have? I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue Remedy. This is assuming he is having some problems because of anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety over the problems. Just ideas. If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone. Here is the emails of two I know personally: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ann Baumbach)[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Judy Guetig Greenberg). You can email them and ask questions re their qualifications, prices, etc. There are wonderful articles on the internet if you Google for them. This is a website that has some information on it: http://www.horizonvetserv.com You can do this yourself but you may find that you are too close to the situation. As always, I am putting this on the table. Take what works for you and leave the rest. If none of it feels right to you, do not feel bad. We are all on our own paths and they are not the same. Good luck. On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Marylyn and Sally. I have never heard of an animal communicator. And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet. We agreed though that we are going to before making a decision. My husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some changes that may help him. I gave my husband a good lashing about getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him. He's always been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him. SO we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see if there is anything to help him. The only problem is, you know yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose. I can almost predict what Len's vet will do. Prednisone and antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray. I've practically broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len. Still, we'll take him in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at night. AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal communicator in my area. Again, thanks girls for the advice. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with problems. If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your heartnot your mind but your heart. On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
Curious, PetSmart online still sells it. I suppose this could be some odd state regulation, but if it were me, I would call another PetSmart in your state and ask if they sell it. Might not be practical for you to go there (closest one to me is 3 hours) but I would sure want to know if what they said was true. Gary - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Marylyn wrote: You are listening to your heart. This is good. Try some fresh catnip now that he is having problems. Tastes change and a few leaves won't hurt a thing. On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks again Marylyn. I had just sat down to do some googling for Len. We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily cleanable flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room. We're also able to leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not wide enough that intruders could get in. The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out there during the day. It's at night when the problems arise, kind of like my mom was with Alzheimer's. | want to do some searching about medications too, perhaps sedative and/or calming type products. I have cat nip growing all over the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff. I am also going to look for the Feliway. It's certainly worth a try. We're not going to give up on him yet. I just don't think it's quite the time. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3318 (20080801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3318 (20080801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
And again, I defend my stance. Lysine deficiencies can result in lowered immune function. Period. Even if it only helps combat the herpes virus (as opposed to FeLV), it is STILL AN IMMUNE SYSTEM BOOSTER! And keeping the immune system boosted is of utmost importance in keeping the FeLV virus from kicking in. That is why we say a great diet and a stress-free environment are the two most important things in keeping FeLV+ kitties healthy, because those things help the immune system stay strong. The quote you sent says specificially that even though it helps control the herpes virus, they believe lysine has no effect on the immune system and no effect on other pathogens AS FAR AS THEY KNOW. Which means they don't know for sure it does not. Lysine is an essential amino acid that the human body needs (not sure about the feline body, but I'm betting yes), yet cannot make it on it's own. It must come from food/external sources. Lysine helps to form and maintain muscle, bone, and other tissues. Often, the FeLV virus manifests itself in the bone marrow, which we all know is when the disease causes fatal problems, such as lymphoma and anemia. While I am no doctor or scientist, given this knowledge, it's still common sense to me that an amino acid that aids in maintaining bone and tissue would be beneficial to fighting FeLV when you consider the implications on the bone marrow. I don't think there are enough/any studies done to say that lysine does not directly combat the FeLV virus/virus replication. If there are, could you kindly post those studies MC? And a moratorium on the sarcasm would also be appreciated by me especially. Respectfully, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 5:08:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements here's the direct quote from susan little, dvm, head of the Winn Feline Foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org), Lysine is only helpful for control of herpesvirus infections. Otherwise, it has no effect on the immune system and no effect against other pathogens as far as we know. It is herpesvirus- specific. And if you give arginine at the same time, you cancel out the effect of the lysine, so it would be totally pointless. ([EMAIL PROTECTED], message #92072, forgive me dr susan!) this was one of the many times she has repeated this; i've got the same thing repeated by a major cat rescuer/transporter in another place in my files, and if you go back in the archives you'll see that i and other have repeated this over and over again: LYSINE ONLY AFFECTS THE HERPES VIRUS. it's a marvelous thing, it trick the virus into not replicating, it's probably the only thing that i know that MDs and DOs and DDS and DVMs and practitioners of every other purrsuasion and specialty agree upon. we do no one any good when we repeat information without questioning it and finding out the details and veracity. please. MC On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:33 PM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are lots of things people use but Lysine is used by many people with FeLV and FIV cats as an immune support. I use this on my cats. Moducare, although, I haven't figured out how to give it to my cats yet. Your supposed to give it on an empty stomach because it binds with cholesterol and I really don't want to put my FeLV+ through the stress of pilling them everyday. I suppose you could give it with food that didn't have cholesterol, but most of those foods are vegetables and my guys aren't interested. I tried egg whites and they didn't go for that either. If anyone knows how to get Moducare into the cats without pilling and without cholesterol, please let me know. Transfer Factor. I don't have any experience with this one so I won't comment on it. Lactoferrin, I know people using this on their FIV+ cats. And I am sure there are many others. Gary - Original Message - From: Jennifer To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Supplements What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3318 (20080801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
I've used them and have had very good luck. How do you know what a baby without words wants? Or how one cop can sense where the bad guy is hiding when dozens others can't? Or the feeling you get when sometime is just really wrong? There are charlatans out there unfortunately. You are the only person who can decide if it is right for you right now. On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Jennifer wrote: Do they really work? I've heard really bad stories about pet psychics. I'm sure animals can be tapped into because they have brains, they have feelings, they can think...but I don't know...the whole thing seems a bit hoaky. I'd like to be proven wrong though. Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:43 PM Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with problems. If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your heartnot your mind but your heart. On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm faced with another horrible decision. Our 19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this. He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy. But now he is not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere. We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about that. Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor. He won't sit on our laps anymore. I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore. I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end. I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
Ferals will frequently get back in the cage..I have had to release the five who stay at my Mom's more times than I can count and so have her neighbors. On Aug 2, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Sally Davis wrote: There is this feral cat where I work. She has been fixed and her ear has been clipped. Getting her to a vet would be impossible as I imagine she would not get in a trap again. That being said she is very friendly to one lady at work who feeds her canned food. Anyway for the past couple months she has had on and off runny eyes and nose. She sneezes. Well figuring there was a chance it was herpes virus I gave Pat Junior's left over Lysine. In a weeks time she started clearing up. Baby Girl is feeling much better. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
Hi Wendy Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has changed formulation but is it the plus form. Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate. Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He lived another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got real bad very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I can help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am not put to the test again. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
Colostrum is wonderful as far as I am concerned for any stressed animal. The two feral kittens I have been adopted by are getting it daily. They had a hard beginning. I want them to have everything I can think of to help them overcome it. They are also getting probiotics, grain free food etc. They have not been tested for FeLV or FIV yet. And I have not had them vaccinated for anything. They are inside so, as far as I am concerned, I can give them some extra time to gain weight and just be. I have been told that colostrum can be used if Transfer Factor is out of the question. I have used it on cats. Please remember I believe in a combination of traditional and alternative vets. The first place Dixie Louise went after we took execution off the table was to Dr. Betty Boswell. Betty saw her regularly until the day she died. Dixie was extremely healthy until very shortly (like days) before she left this world and her exit was fairly easy and quick. On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote: Hi Wendy Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has changed formulation but is it the plus form. Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate. Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He lived another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got real bad very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I can help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am not put to the test again. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
I will let Pat know. I imagine she needs her rabies vacination as I am sure it has been more than 3 years. Actually there is a couple feral colonies nearby and they are trapped and neutered etc she has never gone into the traps. Sally On ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
I think Lynne is in Canada. So the regulations may be different. I remember she could not get immunoregulin for BooBoo when he was so sick. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
lysine won't hurt; some vets say ALL cats should be on it, but i don't think it's fair for people who are desperately seeking help for their immune-compromised babies to think that something will do something that it cannot. as i said, i think it's pretty darned miraculous enough as it is! and when we talk to the vets who don't want to believe us in the first place, saying things that are NOT accurate just gives them more reason to ignore us or minimize us. like the 70% figure that was anecdotal in sanctuaries and amongst mutli-FeLV homes for so long--it's NOW right there in the Merck, and they can't ignore THAT--before it made it to the Merck tho, it was just we crackpots if we want them to take us seriously, we have to know MORE than they do--which, as in the old joke about women needing to work twice as hard, isn't that difficult. we can NEVER underestimate how little knowledge many, many vets seem to have about FeLV, FIV and FIP. i could apologize for getting so passionate about this, but i won't, because it's just SO important that SOMEONE have accurate, current information--and it seems that it's up to us to be those someones. MC On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Wendy Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has changed formulation but is it the plus form. Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate. Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He lived another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got real bad very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I can help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am not put to the test again. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability
and i prefer and have had better luck with the plug-in On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank goodness I have never had that problem and my vets (both regular and holistic) believe in it, use it and sell it. I do not like the plug in version at all though. On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: most vets here don't carry it, as it's not a medicine--but for a brief period last year, no STORES could carry it because the state of michigan decided that it was a drug, and the company that made it refused to put it through the years of clinical trials involved, since no OTHER state was treating it as a drug. it is now available in pet stores again, so i guess the state gave that little money-making scheme up. On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote: Be very careful with lavender. There is something in the essential oil that is poisonous to cats. Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, says. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway. I cannot imagine vets not carrying it. Oh well. On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote: I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please remove me from the mailing list
Hi, Please remove me from the mailing list. Thanks! Nazleen _ Easily edit your photos like a pro with Photo Gallery. http://get.live.com/photogallery/overview ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability
I guess it just depends on the cat(s). When I put up the plug-ins my chief pee'er peed on them. Gary - Original Message - From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability and i prefer and have had better luck with the plug-in On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank goodness I have never had that problem and my vets (both regular and holistic) believe in it, use it and sell it. I do not like the plug in version at all though. On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: most vets here don't carry it, as it's not a medicine--but for a brief period last year, no STORES could carry it because the state of michigan decided that it was a drug, and the company that made it refused to put it through the years of clinical trials involved, since no OTHER state was treating it as a drug. it is now available in pet stores again, so i guess the state gave that little money-making scheme up. On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote: Be very careful with lavender. There is something in the essential oil that is poisonous to cats. Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, says. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway. I cannot imagine vets not carrying it. Oh well. On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote: I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway. I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just vets. I may have to order it online. But I will try some fresh catnip. That I have no problem in finding. Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb. I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do. I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but who knows. I'll try anything. Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3319 (20080802) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate - ...from veterinarypartner.com... • Oral Lysine Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce. The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine. We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule. One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to determine if supplementation has been helpful. Gloria On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote: Hi Wendy Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has changed formulation but is it the plus form. Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate. Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He lived another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got real bad very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I can help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am not put to the test again. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't had luck with the plugins and not tried the spray, but if your vet does not sell them, they can both be obtained online. Probably cheaper than your vet, too. Plugin: http://tinyurl.com/5pmgnv Spray: *http://tinyurl.com/5vjkwf* -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
