Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
Charles, Please give this beautiful female Bengal to someone who will love her. Her life does not need to be cut short. I have a FelV shelter and many of my positive cats live many years with the disease. They have a home like setting, no cages, and a lady who lives there full time to care for them and give them companionship. I am in eastern WV, which is too far away for you, but there are many FelV shelters available, as well as people with no other cats who would love to have this female as a pet. Lorrie On 05-28, Charles Adams wrote: Hello Kelley, Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are pure bone head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and he get's out daily for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about something all cat's and dogs were wild at one point and guess what they didn't get fixed in the wild so what give with these idiots? Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is important here. A beautiful female who's life will be cut short because some greedy idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others. Charles ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
Absolutely Beth Breeders will get a lecture from me too. Lorrie On 05-28, Beth wrote: I'm not about to apologize for having opinions voicing them. You breed animals you are going to get a lecture from me. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
To everyone, including Charles, who still seems to be reading the mail: This is my final comment on this topic, and if it offends some, ask me to leave the group. I'm sorry, whether the first note from Charles was someone's idea of a joke, as suggested, or not, his second note certainly sounds like one too - it's a complete turnaround, a little hard to believe. His stud cat lives in a cage, gets out for daily walks, and that's love - and we're all idiots because we advocate spaying and neutering and express concern for a female cat that was purchased for only one purpose, to breed with his beloved stud cat, for what purpose? To sell the kittens. Sadly, the purchased breeder cat for whom he paid $300 is FeLV+, and that's where the problem came in, not a real concern for her illness. She wouldn't be able to be used as a breeder. Had she been healthy, she, too, would be living in a cage, with her kittens over and over again, like in a puppy mill. The kittens wouldn't even have been home-raised, as they deserve.. According to Charles, some of us we were bitching about something that dogs and cats were in the wild - not spayed or neutered? Where have you been living, Charles, in cave? Try to understand what those who objected to your breeding go through the horrible and emotionally charged and financially debilitating work of rescuing a huge surplus of unwanted cats. I belong to a national Alert group; every day, a mere partial list of cats and dogs on a kill-list goes out of healthy, beautiful, young and old, begging to be rescued from the heart stick , gas chamber, or more humane euthanasia. Most don't even end up in nice shelters like the ones some of us operate, they go to municipal shelters that in many places in the country are dumping grounds for unwanted animals, living in squalor and filth. And those are just the ones that somehow got to a shelter or dumping area for killing. The rest are discarded anywhere you can imagine, fending for themselves under horrible conditions, breeding several times a year until we step in - most times, our work is like a drop in the ocean - but to the saved cat, it's everything. Whether Charles' letter was a joke or not (I'm not laughing), the topic was definitely not. Whether the poor FeLV+ cat is real or imaginary, isn't funny either. Natalie - cat rescuer in CT -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Charles, Please give this beautiful female Bengal to someone who will love her. Her life does not need to be cut short. I have a FelV shelter and many of my positive cats live many years with the disease. They have a home like setting, no cages, and a lady who lives there full time to care for them and give them companionship. I am in eastern WV, which is too far away for you, but there are many FelV shelters available, as well as people with no other cats who would love to have this female as a pet. Lorrie On 05-28, Charles Adams wrote: Hello Kelley, Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are pure bone head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and he get's out daily for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about something all cat's and dogs were wild at one point and guess what they didn't get fixed in the wild so what give with these idiots? Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is important here. A beautiful female who's life will be cut short because some greedy idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others. Charles ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats. From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
I think the issue is that you did state in your initial email that you don't want an indoor pet cat, so you keep Buddy in an outside cage. That makes it sound like you don't care. That might not be the case -- perhaps you do love him -- but I would rather my kitty be inside with me where he's safe from parasites. I think it's unfair of you to say that the list members who may have been painfully blunt (or harsh) with you are jerks. We aren't jerks. We just love cats. Population control in the wild was handled by natural predators, which are becoming less and less. There is no balance anymorewolf hunts, coyotes being killed, human beings encroaching more and more on wildlife habitat. It all matters. Things aren't the same now as they were 300 years ago. Veterinary care is easily available, so more animals survive now than then. All we are asking is that if you cannot keep the FeLV+ female, there are FeLV+ sanctuaries that will care for her if you don't want her in your house. I still think Buddy would be happier OUT of his outdoor cage and inside where he can be with you. He needs companionship too. =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Charles Adamsmailto:texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams -- From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
CHARLES - DO NOT USE MY THREAD TO RESPOND TO YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS REGARDING YOUR PROBLEM. I'M TRYING TO FIND THIS FIV CAT A HOME!!! Again, Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson - Original Message - From: Charles Adams To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats. -- From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is because I can, and that obligates me. I make no money of course, but I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my shitlist and I don't even know him. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
Regarding your statement, “I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. “ If you’re not looking for someone to take this cat, could you be more specific in what help you’re seeking? I deleted the original message, but from what I remember, you stated that you did not want a pet cat and never did. Not surprisingly, some people would take this as meaning you’re looking to place this cat. You should always be cautious when turning an animal over to someone – anyone (I always check vet references at a minimum and usually do a home visit as well) – but if you have a legitimate rescue offer for this kitty, you should thank your lucky stars because it’s extremely hard to place a FeLV+ cat. I do rescue and I’m involved in Bengal rescue – and no, I do not want, nor can I accept this cat – but I receive requests weekly for people wanting help placing their purebred Bengals. So please do not automatically assume that just because this cat is a purebred Bengal that she will be sold for profit. I’ve worked with Bengal rescue for years and while most cats are adopted for $150, this barely covers their vetting (spay/neuter, testing, shots, etc). I’m sorry if some people on this list have offended you, but please take a moment and read your post from our point of view. Those of us who do rescue are overwhelmed financially, physically, and emotionally by the sheer number of homeless animals. When we see someone intentionally trying to add to that population, it strikes a nerve. In my case, I’m living with a cat who was a “retired” breeder, kept in an outside cage and then locked in a basement for 3 years by someone who couldn’t handle his behavior, but who didn’t want to take him to a shelter or pass him off on someone else. I love the cat and care for him as best I can, but it pains me to see his stress and anxiety. And it’s even more upsetting to know that he’s in this condition because someone used him (for breeding) and then threw him away. In your original message, you state your cat lives in an outside cage and that you did not want a pet cat. This made it *sound* as though you really didn’t care about him other than to generate kittens/money. This may not be the case – and I hope it’s not. As your most recent post states, I hope your cat is loved as part of your family – and enjoys companionship and attention. As for the FeLV+ cat, again, I’m really not sure what you’re looking for. Several people have offered you ideas and resources for placing her. If that’s not your objective, are you looking for health/care advice? I’m sure many people here would like to help the cat; we’re just not sure what kind of help you’re seeking. Cindy From: Terri Brown Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I think the issue is that you did state in your initial email that you don't want an indoor pet cat, so you keep Buddy in an outside cage. That makes it sound like you don't care. That might not be the case -- perhaps you do love him -- but I would rather my kitty be inside with me where he's safe from parasites. I think it's unfair of you to say that the list members who may have been painfully blunt (or harsh) with you are jerks. We aren't jerks. We just love cats. Population control in the wild was handled by natural predators, which are becoming less and less. There is no balance anymorewolf hunts, coyotes being killed, human beings encroaching more and more on wildlife habitat. It all matters. Things aren't the same now as they were 300 years ago. Veterinary care is easily available, so more animals survive now than then. All we are asking is that if you cannot keep the FeLV+ female, there are FeLV+ sanctuaries that will care for her if you don't want her in your house. I still think Buddy would be happier OUT of his outdoor cage and inside where he can be with you. He needs companionship too. =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Charles Adams To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
You might also consider, Charles, that most of us on this list have gone through the very painful experience of having lost a beloved cat to FeLV or FiV or both. Personally, when my Dexter was suffering from the effects of this disease, I joined this list to find out different ways to help him and the people here were compassionate and kind. Keeping him in a cage was never a consideration and I would have spent any amount of money possible to ease his pain and to help him feel better. So, when you come here talking about your caged cats and your lost $300, you come off as a profiteer and someone completely clueless about cats in general. I've owned a purebred cat before - many years ago. I would never have even considered a purebred raised in an environment such as the one you describe. Kittens need to be raised under foot; socialized with people and from cat parents who are treated with nothing but love as members of a family. I'm not just making this up - go online and read a few webpages - successful breeders do this. Successful breeders never make much money, either. They are successful because their kittens are well socialized and integrate well into new households. Breeders who operate for quick financial gain with no regard to temperament never last long. So, let me be blunt: if you are for real and you are treating your cats this way, you should be ashamed of yourself. By the way, there are new puppy mill laws in Texas that apply to cat breeders - cage raising is prohibited by this law. Also, keeping your FeLV girl outdoors? Huge mistake. She needs to be sequestered indoors where she can't spread the virus. If money is all you care about, then I'll pay you the $300 you lost as well as $500 for your stud, if you surrender both of them to the kind lady from this who offered to take them in. I'll do this if you promise to stay out of the breeding business. Sadly, I doubt you'll take me up on this, but this is a real offer. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
Charles offered to take the cat. I have vet references, personal references, shelter references. I currently have 4 Feline Leukemia positive cats. 2 are foster cats for the shelter I work with. The other 2 were found by friends of mine. Sorry you think I am a bone-head jerk, who goes to shelters, pulls animals, resells them for a profit. Yeah, I wish...Most of the animals we pull from animal control end up costing us 3 or 4 times what we end up getting in adoption fees. We do it for the love of the animal. And many of these animals are purebreds.In fact some of the worst cases be have taken on have been purebred cats retired breeding cats. If you aren't making money on these cats, why are you doing it??? There are plenty of Bengals out there already looking for homes. A friend of mine just got one someone was looking to rehome. I challenge you to work jut one day at a shelter see what we go through for these abandoned animals. Animals who are only there because people were too bone-headed to spay neuter. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! From: Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a different place putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals during the day the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are nocturnal like opossums Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats. Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station. I got some donated dog food that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food. I don't think there's any way of stopping them. They are so cute, especially the little puff ball kids. Expensive too. As they grew enormous, one of them would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands. Scary! I heard that raccoons like fruit. Maybe get some donated fruit and nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon? From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
Dotty, If you would allow me to, I can put out an alert asking for an answer to this dilemma, listing you as the contact– there are quite a few NJ people on the list. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ _ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain _ From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain _ From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is because I can, and that obligates me. I make no money of course, but I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
You see, I saw his email saying that too, about us hoarders going to shelters and taking all the cats and then selling them for profit and might I just ask what effing planet are you from dude? I have been involved in rescue for over 17 years and every year, I have the receipts to prove that we have spent upwards of $5,000 to $10,000 on fosters and that doesn't even include the litter, food, paper towels, weeks that I got up every two hours to bottle feed a baby only to have her pass because she was just too far gone when I got her. THEN, I ask ONLY an $85 adoption fee so you want to tell me where all this money is I am making? How much do you sell your cats for? Thousands? So, yea SCR*W YOU! YOU are the one breeding your cats for profit, while I am the one picking up their broken little bodies off the streets when people grow weary of having a pet and simply toss them aside. Oh, and I don't HAVE to be nice to someone who immediately starts in with his YOU PEOPLE attitude when HE is the problem, not rescuers, we try to solve the problems HE creates. Off my soapbox now ;) Edna (I calls em as I sees em) Taylor Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:48:23 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Charles offered to take the cat. I have vet references, personal references, shelter references. I currently have 4 Feline Leukemia positive cats. 2 are foster cats for the shelter I work with. The other 2 were found by friends of mine. Sorry you think I am a bone-head jerk, who goes to shelters, pulls animals, resells them for a profit. Yeah, I wish...Most of the animals we pull from animal control end up costing us 3 or 4 times what we end up getting in adoption fees. We do it for the love of the animal. And many of these animals are purebreds.In fact some of the worst cases be have taken on have been purebred cats retired breeding cats. If you aren't making money on these cats, why are you doing it??? There are plenty of Bengals out there already looking for homes. A friend of mine just got one someone was looking to rehome. I challenge you to work jut one day at a shelter see what we go through for these abandoned animals. Animals who are only there because people were too bone-headed to spay neuter. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! From: Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
They are and they are a royal pain. On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote: I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a different place putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals during the day the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are nocturnal like opossums Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e- mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
Chuck - not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up their asses, now we're a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate future breeder cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this may be your mentality - it's not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this one point). There's honesty and there's reality, and it's not pretty. Here's an analogy: If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just because he was honest? What's your point - no, please don't answer. Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your eyes, you feel slighted, and now she's the little tramp - you allowed yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always the female breeder cat. I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list's members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject? I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+s helters From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats. _ From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
Charles, I don't agree with anyone who calls you a jerk or any other nasty name. Most of us on this list are overworked and have constant shortages of funds. We tend to get impatient with people who are trying, for whatever reason, to bring more cats into the world. We rescue these FeLv+ cats because they are unwanted and usually killed at so-called shelters, which usually shelter no one. Can you imagine a children's shelter that killed the children if they couldn't be adopted? Can you imagine breeding children for skin color, eye color or other characteristics that were popular at any given time? Usually breeding is done for certain characteristics - fur length, the pug nose look, no fur, curly fur and any number of characteristics that create designer type cats but have nothing to do with improving the health or happiness of the cats brought into the world by breeding. I know that you weren't spending $300 to get a breeding female so that you could have more Bengal cat pets. You would eventually have sold the offspring, possibly not neutered or spayed to other people who want to breed Bengal cats to sell etc.. Please be honest with yourself. You did write in one of your first posts that you didn't want a pet cat in your house. Allowing the female FeLv+ cat to be outside invites any roaming tom cat to impregnate her. So if you think that it's unfortunate to have purchased a FeLv+ cat, just think about a pregnant FeLv+ cat full of mixed breed kittens. Not a good plan. I understand why you have the male cat outside in a cage. Before they are neutered, male cats stink. I have had a few in my house waiting for a neuter appointment and it wasn't pleasant. After they are neutered, however, the marking scent disappears and they are wonderful pets again. You can actually sell your male Bengal after he's neutered and recoup some of your $300 loss. You can't sell the FeLv+ cat but do get her spayed before you have the additional misery of a pregnant cat who mated with some roaming outside male. One more bit of information Charles, we don't buy cats from shelters and we don't sell cats that we rescue. By the time we get the cats ready for adoption we have sometimes spent hundreds of dollars on getting them fixed, getting their shots, feeding and housing them until they are adopted. Food, litter and time spent in their care cost way over the adoption price of $50 to $80 per cat. The adopter gets a good pet that they can enjoy and love right out of the carrier. They don't have to first start to haul the cat to the vet to get him/her fixed and vaccinated. You probably didn't know this. Anyway, I'm glad you joined this list. I hope you have learned some facts about breeding and cats in general. I won't be posting on this topic any more so good luck to you and I hope you will do the right thing by your lovely cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by being nasty. From: Natalie Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this one point). There’s honesty and there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy: If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just because he was honest? What’s your point – no, please don’t answer. Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always the female breeder cat. I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject? I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats. From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5029 - Release Date: 05/28/12 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
Seems that Chuck is the one being rude (for the most part) and well, keeping his cat in a cage outside just doesn't seem like the type of person that REALLY cares about his cat, but hey, just my opinion. Also, rescuers are entitled to get a bit miffed when someone is adding to the problem because ONLY 1 out of every 10 kittens born will find a home, the rest either die in the shelter or on the streets. WE DON'T NEED MORE PEOPLE BREEDING CATS. If you want to see some examples, I would be happy to put together a word document with the thousands of emails I get from the Houston area every day regarding need homes for these kittens/cats list of cats to die today, etc. etc. From: mckennas...@power-net.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:31:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by being nasty. From: Natalie Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this one point). There’s honesty and there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy: If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just because he was honest? What’s your point – no, please don’t answer. Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always the female breeder cat. I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject? I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats. From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5029 - Release Date: 05/28/12 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
AMEN BEN :) YOU ROCK :) From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:46:30 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats You might also consider, Charles, that most of us on this list have gone through the very painful experience of having lost a beloved cat to FeLV or FiV or both. Personally, when my Dexter was suffering from the effects of this disease, I joined this list to find out different ways to help him and the people here were compassionate and kind. Keeping him in a cage was never a consideration and I would have spent any amount of money possible to ease his pain and to help him feel better. So, when you come here talking about your caged cats and your lost $300, you come off as a profiteer and someone completely clueless about cats in general. I've owned a purebred cat before - many years ago. I would never have even considered a purebred raised in an environment such as the one you describe. Kittens need to be raised under foot; socialized with people and from cat parents who are treated with nothing but love as members of a family. I'm not just making this up - go online and read a few webpages - successful breeders do this. Successful breeders never make much money, either. They are successful because their kittens are well socialized and integrate well into new households. Breeders who operate for quick financial gain with no regard to temperament never last long. So, let me be blunt: if you are for real and you are treating your cats this way, you should be ashamed of yourself. By the way, there are new puppy mill laws in Texas that apply to cat breeders - cage raising is prohibited by this law. Also, keeping your FeLV girl outdoors? Huge mistake. She needs to be sequestered indoors where she can't spread the virus. If money is all you care about, then I'll pay you the $300 you lost as well as $500 for your stud, if you surrender both of them to the kind lady from this who offered to take them in. I'll do this if you promise to stay out of the breeding business. Sadly, I doubt you'll take me up on this, but this is a real offer. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
Austin, Tx has a total of 400 kittens needing homes - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Seems that Chuck is the one being rude (for the most part) and well, keeping his cat in a cage outside just doesn't seem like the type of person that REALLY cares about his cat, but hey, just my opinion. Also, rescuers are entitled to get a bit miffed when someone is adding to the problem because ONLY 1 out of every 10 kittens born will find a home, the rest either die in the shelter or on the streets. WE DON'T NEED MORE PEOPLE BREEDING CATS. If you want to see some examples, I would be happy to put together a word document with the thousands of emails I get from the Houston area every day regarding need homes for these kittens/cats list of cats to die today, etc. etc. -- From: mckennas...@power-net.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:31:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by being nasty. From: Natalie Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this one point). There’s honesty and there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy: If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just because he was honest? What’s your point – no, please don’t answer. Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always the female breeder cat. I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject? I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats. -- From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
Yes, raccoons are mostly nocturnal, but when they have young ones, they can also be seen during the day, looking for more food. This makes many people call ACOs when they see raccoons during the day, wrongly assuming that there's something wrong with them, like rabies, distemper. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION They are and they are a royal pain. On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote: I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a different place putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals during the day the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are nocturnal like opossums Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
Chuck - in none of your writings did you ask on how to treat the FeLV+ cat for the disease! This is the kind of group this is. To give you a picture of what happens all over the US, multiply Edna's numbers...you may get the piucture! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Austin, Tx has a total of 400 kittens needing homes - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor mailto:taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Seems that Chuck is the one being rude (for the most part) and well, keeping his cat in a cage outside just doesn't seem like the type of person that REALLY cares about his cat, but hey, just my opinion. Also, rescuers are entitled to get a bit miffed when someone is adding to the problem because ONLY 1 out of every 10 kittens born will find a home, the rest either die in the shelter or on the streets. WE DON'T NEED MORE PEOPLE BREEDING CATS. If you want to see some examples, I would be happy to put together a word document with the thousands of emails I get from the Houston area every day regarding need homes for these kittens/cats list of cats to die today, etc. etc. _ From: mckennas...@power-net.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:31:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you're not gonna change his mind by being nasty. From: Natalie mailto:at...@optonline.net Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Chuck - not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up their asses, now we're a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate future breeder cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this may be your mentality - it's not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this one point). There's honesty and there's reality, and it's not pretty. Here's an analogy: If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just because he was honest? What's your point - no, please don't answer. Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your eyes, you feel slighted, and now she's the little tramp - you allowed yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always the female breeder cat. I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list's members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject? I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+s helters ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
You are right, this is a group for that purpose. But have you had any reason to believe otherwise until just now? NO. However, this topic is a sore point for most of the people in this group who are rescuers and caretakers of sick cats. And please consider who is the rude on in these exchanges? Charles seems to care not about the illness and how to help the cat, but how to get rid of her and get his money back. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of McKenna's Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by being nasty. From: Natalie mailto:at...@optonline.net Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this one point). There’s honesty and there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy: If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just because he was honest? What’s your point – no, please don’t answer. Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always the female breeder cat. I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject? I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats. _ From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5029 - Release Date: 05/28/12 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
It is unconscionable to allow a FeLV+ cat outside, not only because she will get pregnant - she will spread FeLV to all cats that mate with her, and the cycle will continue. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Charles, I don't agree with anyone who calls you a jerk or any other nasty name. Most of us on this list are overworked and have constant shortages of funds. We tend to get impatient with people who are trying, for whatever reason, to bring more cats into the world. We rescue these FeLv+ cats because they are unwanted and usually killed at so-called shelters, which usually shelter no one. Can you imagine a children's shelter that killed the children if they couldn't be adopted? Can you imagine breeding children for skin color, eye color or other characteristics that were popular at any given time? Usually breeding is done for certain characteristics - fur length, the pug nose look, no fur, curly fur and any number of characteristics that create designer type cats but have nothing to do with improving the health or happiness of the cats brought into the world by breeding. I know that you weren't spending $300 to get a breeding female so that you could have more Bengal cat pets. You would eventually have sold the offspring, possibly not neutered or spayed to other people who want to breed Bengal cats to sell etc.. Please be honest with yourself. You did write in one of your first posts that you didn't want a pet cat in your house. Allowing the female FeLv+ cat to be outside invites any roaming tom cat to impregnate her. So if you think that it's unfortunate to have purchased a FeLv+ cat, just think about a pregnant FeLv+ cat full of mixed breed kittens. Not a good plan. I understand why you have the male cat outside in a cage. Before they are neutered, male cats stink. I have had a few in my house waiting for a neuter appointment and it wasn't pleasant. After they are neutered, however, the marking scent disappears and they are wonderful pets again. You can actually sell your male Bengal after he's neutered and recoup some of your $300 loss. You can't sell the FeLv+ cat but do get her spayed before you have the additional misery of a pregnant cat who mated with some roaming outside male. One more bit of information Charles, we don't buy cats from shelters and we don't sell cats that we rescue. By the time we get the cats ready for adoption we have sometimes spent hundreds of dollars on getting them fixed, getting their shots, feeding and housing them until they are adopted. Food, litter and time spent in their care cost way over the adoption price of $50 to $80 per cat. The adopter gets a good pet that they can enjoy and love right out of the carrier. They don't have to first start to haul the cat to the vet to get him/her fixed and vaccinated. You probably didn't know this. Anyway, I'm glad you joined this list. I hope you have learned some facts about breeding and cats in general. I won't be posting on this topic any more so good luck to you and I hope you will do the right thing by your lovely cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
And you know what? Sometimes people just need to be called on their bad behavior, plain and simple. As Atia2 pointed out Chuck seems to ONLY be concerned about how much money he is out. He should take Ben up on his generous offer because at least then, those two cats would have a good, quality life, not one confined to a cage outside or just tossed to the elements to get pregnant and spread disease - sheesh. Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:00:54 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home You are right, this is a group for that purpose. But have you had any reason to believe otherwise until just now? NO. However, this topic is a sore point for most of the people in this group who are rescuers and caretakers of sick cats. And please consider who is the rude on in these exchanges? Charles seems to care not about the illness and how to help the cat, but how to get rid of her and get his money back. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of McKenna's Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by being nasty. From: Natalie Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this one point). There’s honesty and there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy: If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just because he was honest? What’s your point – no, please don’t answer. Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always the female breeder cat. I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject? I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats. From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5029 - Release Date: 05/28/12 ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. On May 29, 2012, at 10:16 AM, MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com wrote: They are and they are a royal pain. On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote: I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a different place putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals during the day the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are nocturnal like opossums Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
RACCONS eat everything.The Bronx zoo told someone to gie them lettuce. Maybe you can leave lettuce,apples.grapes,outside.for them.If not don't leave the dry overnite,and maybe they wont come back.Cathy Bronx. N Y From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is because I can, and that obligates me. I make no money of course, but I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my shitlist and I don't even know him. Sent from
[Felvtalk] OT: FACEBOOK Online Auction for one of TAZZY'S CH Kitties in need more surgery!
WE ARE HAVING A ONLINE AUCTION ON FACEBOOK. PLEASE READ ABOUT THE RESCUE CH KITTY THAT NEEDS MORE MEDICAL AND SURGERY HELP. THERE ARE LOTS ITEMS TO VIEW. IF YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU LIKE PLEASE BID! MANY ITEMS ARE BEING ADDED DAILY. I know a few of you have donated in the past to PIXIE. We are very thankful for this! THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND VISITING THE AUCTION! https://www.facebook.com/events/390471801003818/390499087667756/ https://www.facebook.com/events/390471801003818/ Terrie TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2012 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: FACEBOOK Online Auction for one of TAZZY'S CH Kitties in need more surgery!
Showing as unavailablesorry. On May 29, 2012, at 1:49 PM, ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] let's get honest, Chuckie
*I love this group. I love the people in it. I love the passion the members of this group have for the kitties who are unfortunate enough to meet up with this deadly retrovirus, and the dedication to improving infected cats' lives. Anyone who comes in here with less than the best of intentions for FeLV positive kitties understandably will not be coddled and cosseted. And even the person receiving the scolding will understand that it is coming from a place deep in the heart, borne of love and compassion, if they are honestly looking at what is being said to them. I don't believe anyone could possibly be naive enough to NOT SEE where this criticism of them stems from, even if they refuse to state this fact out loud. lol And, knowing this, the smart thing to do would be to stick around and get a clue, because I am sure that with the desire to do right by their cat, anyone would be welcome and accepted here. In fact, this is what everyone is actually hoping for, I'll bet any money. ** **These people in here are EXPERTS at FeLV+ cats, info, treatment, everything. This is a place you want to be if you have an FeLV+ cat you care about. Miracles of understanding and knowledge happen here. **You say you treat them good and care about them/her. ** Awesome. **Just say you want to help the kitties... we can help you help them. Step up, Sir. Do the right thing, please. * *(**And I agree... Ben does rock! I am in awe. [?]*) * Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= **I'm Kat Parker. I park cats.** Spay neuter your neighbors... maybe THAT will fix the problem.* *Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE HAPPY cat!* *http://www.facebook.com/kat.theCRITTERprotector * ** ** B12.gif___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
