Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Jane Gannon]

It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye.  It is very 
serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye ointment 
with steroids.  Research it on line, you can find pictures.  The eyeball 
can even become swollen and bulge.  It can have a brownish  spot on it. 
Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 positives that have had 
this and it will clear up with treatment  but it can come back.  They were 
put on metacam for the pain and also for the inflamation along with an 
ointment containing cortisone.  It is serious.   Follow instructions for how 
often to do the ointment.


Jane
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in 
the corner of my eye when it itches.  My cats eat it all the time so it 
shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye.  would oothe it.

 Amani Oakley  wrote:

Hi Bob

As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can 
only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with 
rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is 
mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of 
disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into 
your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution 
multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and 
address some infections. You can alternate this with the 
antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.


If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low 
and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help 
reduce any inflammation and that may help.


Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of 
sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are 
not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count 
to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is 
regenerative or non-regenerative.


At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with 
viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of 
the FeLV virus.


Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are 
any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback 
from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it 
is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and 
athletes??


Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties 
( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus 
infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) 
from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their 
living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT 
more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I 
brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing 
mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness 
in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet 
( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go 
broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are 
uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet 
offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to 
FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with 
Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think 
the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him 
elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I 
go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter 
are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get 
a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I 
have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ 
heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY 
discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than 
they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever 
would have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way 
to tell if it is causing him pain.. Making an appt. to have blood 
work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and 

[Felvtalk] tigger

[Jane Gannon]

Hi Ardy.

I have not been on line lately and I was very sad to hear that Tigger has gone 
to cat heaven.  He sounded like a really cool cat, lots of personality and 
mischevious.  I love those kind, they always keep you smiling.  You did your 
best to help him.  I had 12 cats diagnosed positive about a year and a half ago 
and since that time I have lost 7.  Two just died in April, one had FIP and the 
other just layed down and died. Both were unexpected, I only saw signs 
something was off for about a week.  I have 2 more that started problems last 
week.  One is 16 and had a seizure, was blind for a day, and now is not eating 
well.  She also has a heart condition.  I am waiting to see what happens.  The 
other one is not eating much and is not herself.  I just had her to the vet 2 
weeks ago for blood work and it was not too bad.  We talked about putting her 
and my other 5 year old on Winstrol and I am waiting for the vet to get back to 
me with his plan.  My 13 year old positive has a heart murmur and we are 
thinking of not putting him on Winstrol because it says to use with caution in 
cats with heart conditions.  His blood work is not too bad either although he 
has gotten thin even though his appetite is good.  And my other positive also 
has FIV and is starting to have UTI's but is fat and seems ok at this time.  If 
winstrol increases appetites, that would not be good for him.  I did not do 
blood work on him yet and am not planning to put him on Winstrol at this time.

I bought a childrens book titled Cat Heaven that I read every time I loose a 
cat and it makes me feel a little bit better.  Makes me smile and cry. I do 
belive animals go to heaven and Pope Francis says they do.  I need to believe 
this.

Jane

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[dlgegg]

Everyone deserves a chance at life, even if it is short.  Thank you for giving 
thee cats that chance.  I hae 3 negative and 1 positive.  She has been positive 
all her life and is a sassy, healthy black cat.  All my guys share the house 
with me and no one has ever turned positive from being around her.

 simon95  wrote: 
> 

Hi Guys
I am a member of a no kill shelter. 
We are in Malta.Europe.
All our heathly cat roam free .
Then we have an enclosure dor our felv cats and another for our fiv cats.
Then there is another for our blind cats. I have a felv cat at home and had 
Bella also but passed away last October. 
These creatures are cats also . And deserve to live even though there life 
maybe cut short. 
If anyone wants to have a look you can have a look on fb CSAf Malta
Sent from Samsung Mobile

 Original message From: Amy 
 Date:16/05/2016  17:31  (GMT+01:00) 
To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary 
Lorrie,

That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives 
of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our 
building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our 
rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I 
able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run 
both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it 
off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one 
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks 
for helping these kitties

Let me know!
Thanks Amy


From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

> 
>Lorrie,
> 
>Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> 
>Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Website - Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

http://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/weebly-review/

If we do want to create one I think I like this one. (So easy even Amani can 
use!) It has a free service so you could play around with it risk free. Free 
services don't come up in search engines but you could always give people the 
address to find it or upgrade later. The thing I like about this one is that 
the website is mobile friendly and lord knows how much time we spend on our 
phones. Plus you can change the template anytime you want, which isn't 
available with some like Go Daddy. Also if you decide you want to take your 
site elsewhere you can export all of your data. Some companies don't let you do 
this and pretty much hold you hostage. Not cool.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2016, at 9:15 PM, kat  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> Instead of creating another website, why can't we use   
> http://felineleukemia.org/
> This is the website that our list master, James, created quite a while ago.
>  
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>  
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 10:08 PM
> From: "Amani Oakley" 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
> Hi Rachel
> 
>  
> 
> Truth be told, I would much rather be with my cats than working well into the 
> night at my office. I am awaiting the arrival of a new baby who I am told is 
> palliative. She has cancer. I am going to do my best to make her happy and 
> comfortable, but I have never simply accepted a death sentence so I will see 
> what I can do when she arrives.
> 
>  
> 
> I am looking forward to any feedback on a website where we can gather the 
> necessary information to help others with FeLV cats.
> 
>  
> 
> Amani
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-15-16 11:34 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
> 
>  
> 
> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 
> 
>  
> 
> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in 
> and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours 
> worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when 
> you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart 
> and a beautiful soul. 
> 
>  
> 
> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead 
> of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places 
> where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one.  But I am good 
> at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rachel
> 
>  
> 
> I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 
> 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as 
> my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t 
> get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I 
> don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to 
> court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the 
> world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. 
> Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical 
> Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to 
> do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work 
> all day TOO.
> 
>  
> 
> Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it 
> comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information 
> about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible 
> objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop 
> their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not 
> being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be 
> avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol 
> sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that 
> when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has 
> failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, 
> but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and 
> gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have told me that 
> there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will work. So why not try 
> the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance.
> 
>  
> 
> I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of 
> anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. 
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[dlgegg]

I keep saying if I win the publisher clearing house sweps, I will make the best 
rescue home in the world, even dogs .  I have even drawn up plans for the 
buildings and yards.


 Lorrie  wrote: 
> 
> HOW WONDERFUL..
> Thanks to all of you who do rescue work. It can be heartbreaking at
> times, but it is so rewarding to save cats who are injured, abused or
> starving.   I wish we could help every cat in the world.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 05-16, simon95 wrote:
> >Hi Guys
> > 
> >I am a member of a no kill shelter.
> > 
> >We are in Malta.Europe.
> > 
> >All our heathly cat roam free .
> > 
> >Then we have an enclosure dor our felv cats and another for our fiv
> >cats.
> > 
> >Then there is another for our blind cats. I have a felv cat at home and
> >had Bella also but passed away last October.
> > 
> >These creatures are cats also . And deserve to live even though there
> >life maybe cut short.
> > 
> >If anyone wants to have a look you can have a look on fb CSAf Malta
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[dlgegg]

RE:  UTI  I took Harley to vet, but also started adding Bragg's raw vinegar to 
both of the water fountains.  He also had sturvite crystals.  Crystals and uti 
have never come back.

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> Hi Robert, 
> 
> I am so glad you saved those babies. It really stinks that you are having 
> problems so soon. 
> 
> You have come to the right place to get the support and help you need.
> 
> I am trying to help Amani set up a web site where we can track the outcomes 
> of those who use Winstrol. List vets that have used it in the past. And also 
> the compounding pharmacies that supply it. We don't have a website guru on 
> here that I know of so I am just in the research stages of figuring out the 
> best option. 
> 
> My kitty Tucker has cancer so that is what I am dealing with right now. But I 
> can tell you if I find myself with another Felv kitty what I would do the 
> next time.
> 
> As we all know, after getting the diagnosis, and spending  hours on line, 
> researching, some of us (me) crying while doing it. There are three bad 
> things that could possibly happen. Chronic infections, cancer, and anemia. So 
> I have decided my new favorite saying will be "an ounce of prevention is 
> worth a pound of cure". The thing I would do above all else is find something 
> to boost the immunity, and I would give it all of the time in sickness and in 
> health. There are a lot of quality companies out there who sell good products 
> I use Pet Wellbeing's Life Gold now for Tucker. Another thing I would do is 
> give my kitty curcumin. It is a proven cancer fighter and has many other 
> health benefits as well. I even read a research document that showed it 
> helped reduce the occurrence and size of struvite crystals ( which has always 
> been a concern for me). I read research that shows kitties absorb it better 
> than humans or dogs so they get even more benefit from it. I am using one 
> from Tho
 rn
>  e Research for pets. The other thing I would do is find something which 
> protects against anemia (I haven't found it yet as I have just started 
> looking into options). Blackstrap molasses is what I have found with awesome 
> results for humans, but I only found one place that mentioned it for cats, 
> which is not good enough so the search continues. 
> 
> As far as the uti, unfortunately they can be chronic in even non felv cats. I 
> am using two products with Tucker who has always had issues, one is NVH 
> Tripsy and my newest find is Solid Gold Berry Balance. So if you keep having 
> problems you might want to look into a preventative for that as well.
> 
> Good luck finding your new vet, maybe you can check Yelp or ask friends and 
> neighbors, you don't want to spend your money and end up with another dud. 
> 
> Rachel  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On May 16, 2016, at 2:30 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
> > threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are 
> > any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
> > administering it
> > Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with 
> > regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more 
> > popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes??
> > 
> > Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( 
> > other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection)  
> >  I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter 
> > where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in 
> > isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated 
> > as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until 
> > recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic 
> > URI  Last week he developed some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and 
> > what appear to be burst capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to 
> > pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as 
> > I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance 
> > companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just 
> > said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple 
> > Antibiotic Ocular Ointmen
 t 
>  with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I 
> think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him 
> elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go 
> on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are 
> privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very 
> discounted rate)   This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been 
> reading vocaciously   I am not one 

Re: [Felvtalk] Website - Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[kat]

Hi All,

 

Instead of creating another website, why can't we use   http://felineleukemia.org/


This is the website that our list master, James, created quite a while ago.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 


Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 10:08 PM
From: "Amani Oakley" 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol




Hi Rachel

 

Truth be told, I would much rather be with my cats than working well into the night at my office. I am awaiting the arrival of a new baby who I am told is palliative. She has cancer. I am going to do my best to make her happy and comfortable, but I have never simply accepted a death sentence so I will see what I can do when she arrives.

 

I am looking forward to any feedback on a website where we can gather the necessary information to help others with FeLV cats.

 

Amani 

 

 

 



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-15-16 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol



 


I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 



 



Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart and a beautiful soul. 



 



A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one.  But I am good at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.

Sent from my iPhone




On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:




Hi Rachel

 

I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work all day TOO.

 

Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance.

 

I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to trap unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want to expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the different treatment modalities to determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw Zander improve and was extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be a death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the crisis and his current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[dlgegg]

Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in the 
corner of my eye when it itches.  My cats eat it all the time so it shouldn't 
hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye.  would oothe it.
 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Hi Bob
> 
> As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only 
> suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's 
> eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but 
> it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect 
> contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes 
> with the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often 
> helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this 
> with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.
> 
> If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and 
> there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce 
> any inflammation and that may help.
> 
> Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of 
> sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
> Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not 
> all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be 
> done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or 
> non-regenerative.
> 
> At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral 
> reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV 
> virus.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> 
> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
> threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are any 
> of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
> administering it Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from 
> vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of 
> the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes??
> 
> Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( 
> other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection)   
> I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter 
> where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in 
> isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as 
> one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until 
> recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic 
> URI  Last week he developed some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what 
> appear to be burst capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay 
> for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I 
> might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance 
> companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just 
> said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic 
> Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  
> Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have 
> to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx 
> suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and 
> only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little 
> as they get a very discounted rate)   This is my first experience with 
> FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously   I am not one who is going to 
> employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY 
> discomfort to them...   I'm already providing them a much better life than 
> they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would 
> have known.  Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell 
> if it is causing him pain..    Making an appt. to have blood work done to 
> get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still be red 
> and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not 
> severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused the blood in his 
> eye.  also there is some clear discharge which I wipe away several times 
> during the day... Any thoughts welcome...
> 
> Bob
> Warwick NY
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Bob

As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only 
suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's 
eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but 
it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect 
contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with 
the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to 
soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the 
antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.

If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and 
there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce any 
inflammation and that may help.

Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of 
sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not 
all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be 
done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or 
non-regenerative.

At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral 
reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV 
virus.

Amani

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CHAPEL
Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are any of 
you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering 
it Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard 
to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular 
anabolics used by body builders and athletes??

Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( 
other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection)   I 
recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I 
volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in 
a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not 
been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was 
eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI  Last week he 
developed some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what appear to be burst 
capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular 
visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the 
cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that 
vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to 
FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and 
Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I think the guy hardly even 
looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime 
again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is 
presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations 
and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate)   This is my 
first experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously   I am not 
one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they 
won't cause ANY discomfort to them...   I'm already providing them a much 
better life than they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than 
they ever would have known.  Still his eye looks " angry " and I have 
no way to tell if it is causing him pain..    Making an appt. to have blood 
work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to 
still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he 
is not severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused the blood in 
his eye.  also there is some clear discharge which I wipe away several 
times during the day... Any thoughts welcome...

Bob
Warwick NY

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Hi Robert, 

I am so glad you saved those babies. It really stinks that you are having 
problems so soon. 

You have come to the right place to get the support and help you need.

I am trying to help Amani set up a web site where we can track the outcomes of 
those who use Winstrol. List vets that have used it in the past. And also the 
compounding pharmacies that supply it. We don't have a website guru on here 
that I know of so I am just in the research stages of figuring out the best 
option. 

My kitty Tucker has cancer so that is what I am dealing with right now. But I 
can tell you if I find myself with another Felv kitty what I would do the next 
time.

As we all know, after getting the diagnosis, and spending  hours on line, 
researching, some of us (me) crying while doing it. There are three bad things 
that could possibly happen. Chronic infections, cancer, and anemia. So I have 
decided my new favorite saying will be "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound 
of cure". The thing I would do above all else is find something to boost the 
immunity, and I would give it all of the time in sickness and in health. There 
are a lot of quality companies out there who sell good products I use Pet 
Wellbeing's Life Gold now for Tucker. Another thing I would do is give my kitty 
curcumin. It is a proven cancer fighter and has many other health benefits as 
well. I even read a research document that showed it helped reduce the 
occurrence and size of struvite crystals ( which has always been a concern for 
me). I read research that shows kitties absorb it better than humans or dogs so 
they get even more benefit from it. I am using one from Thorn
 e Research for pets. The other thing I would do is find something which 
protects against anemia (I haven't found it yet as I have just started looking 
into options). Blackstrap molasses is what I have found with awesome results 
for humans, but I only found one place that mentioned it for cats, which is not 
good enough so the search continues. 

As far as the uti, unfortunately they can be chronic in even non felv cats. I 
am using two products with Tucker who has always had issues, one is NVH Tripsy 
and my newest find is Solid Gold Berry Balance. So if you keep having problems 
you might want to look into a preventative for that as well.

Good luck finding your new vet, maybe you can check Yelp or ask friends and 
neighbors, you don't want to spend your money and end up with another dud. 

Rachel  
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> On May 16, 2016, at 2:30 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
> threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are any 
> of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
> administering it
> Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard 
> to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular 
> anabolics used by body builders and athletes??
> 
> Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( 
> other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection)   
> I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter 
> where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in 
> isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as 
> one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until 
> recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic 
> URI  Last week he developed some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what 
> appear to be burst capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay 
> for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I 
> might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance 
> companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just 
> said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic 
> Ocular Ointment 
 with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I think 
the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him 
elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on 
the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to 
detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted 
rate)   This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading 
vocaciously   I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep 
my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them...   I'm already 
providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love 
and attention than they ever would have known.  Still his eye looks " 
angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain..Making an 
appt. to have blood work done to get a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Lorrie]

HOW WONDERFUL..
Thanks to all of you who do rescue work. It can be heartbreaking at
times, but it is so rewarding to save cats who are injured, abused or
starving.   I wish we could help every cat in the world.

Lorrie

On 05-16, simon95 wrote:
>Hi Guys
> 
>I am a member of a no kill shelter.
> 
>We are in Malta.Europe.
> 
>All our heathly cat roam free .
> 
>Then we have an enclosure dor our felv cats and another for our fiv
>cats.
> 
>Then there is another for our blind cats. I have a felv cat at home and
>had Bella also but passed away last October.
> 
>These creatures are cats also . And deserve to live even though there
>life maybe cut short.
> 
>If anyone wants to have a look you can have a look on fb CSAf Malta
> 
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Lorrie]

My vet never tried to talk me into euthanizing a FelV cat either.


On 05-16, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> GOOD VET!
> 

>  Rachel Dagner  wrote: 

> > When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his
> > leg and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out
> > he didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots
> > she me if I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go
> > outside too. We tested him first and it came back positive :(.
> > She told me he could live three months or a long normal life
> > there was just no telling. She never even said the word
> > euthanize.
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Robert

Yes - I have been posting for some time regarding the Winstrol/Doxy 
combination, and I have already stated that it is my belief that the reason 
that the vets (and human doctors) are so negative about Winstrol is that it is 
associated with doping scandals in sports. It's beyond stupid, in my view.  All 
kinds of medication can be abused, but at the rate that athletes use Winstrol, 
they would have to take 100 or 1000 2 mg tablets EVERY DAY, because they use it 
at 1000 times doses recommended for human use. And by the way, they are pretty 
much fine, even at those doses. If you do the research, you will find what I 
have found - there are no credible scientific findings linking use of Winstrol 
in athletes - even at those levels - with heart disease, liver disease, or even 
"roid rage", for goodness sakes. This is one of the reasons athletes stopped 
listening to the medical/scientific community about the dangers of 
performance-enhancing steroids. The athletes are taking them at levels at 
astronomically high levels and they should be quite dead if they were that 
dangerous. They continue to take them because they DO enhance strength, muscle, 
endurance, etc. There are some side effects like light facial hair growth, 
etc., but nothing like the scare-mongering you hear from the medical and 
scientific communities.

And so, our cats are being denied these effective anabolic steroids like 
Winstrol because Canadian Ben Johnson was stripped of his Olympic Gold Medal in 
the 1988 Summer Olympics for testing positive for it! When my mom was 
deteriorating badly from cancer, again my research showed that Winstrol can 
build muscle mass, increase appetite, increase red cell production (she was 
very anemic), and the palliative doctor said, "That's the Ben Johnson steroid." 
He then went on to say that as a palliative doctor, his job was to neither 
hasten death nor to slow it down, and giving my mom Winstrol would slow it 
down. You'd think that would be a good thing, but apparently not.

Scientists won't research it for the same reason. It is just the most bizarre 
situation, when the alternative is death. I can tell you that my experience 
with Winstrol is what really opened my eyes to the fact that we are naïve to 
believe that when we get sick (or our cats do), that the doctors/vets know all 
the credible available options and will let you know of them so you can make an 
informed choice. With my cat, I stumbled onto the use of Winstrol after trying 
interferon, LTCI, blood transfusions - all of which cost me more than $10,000. 
Winstrol costs very very little and was much more effective than all the other 
treatments I had attempted. My cat was dying, I was out of options and yet no 
one told me about Winstrol. When I tried the Winstrol (which I had in my 
cupboard for years for another cat) and got the great response that I did, I 
thought I had "discovered" a new use for it. I then told the internal medicine 
specialist who had basically told me that there were no more options for 
Zander, he told me that I had gone "old school", and they used to use Winstrol 
years before but stopped when it was believed that it caused liver damage. No 
one had looked again at it after the Ben Johnson scandal. 

I have used it for cats with FIP, with a spinal lesion, with nasal sarcoma (in 
a 16 year old cat), ligament injury in the knee which required surgery (but 
didn’t after use of the Winstrol) and now I am using it on a cat with puffy 
pads (pillow pads) which I just discovered was due to a proliferation of plasma 
cells, probably related to either a FeLV or a FIP infection. The only 
circumstance I have used it where it didn’t help me at all was in a cat with 
renal failure and after her death, I figured out that she had probably 
contracted feline morbillivirus from the vet clinic, which caused 
tubulointerstitial nephritis. (I knew it was something infectious because two 
of my cats came down with a serious illness after I had taken both in at the 
same time to the vets. One pulled through. One rallied for a while and I 
thought we had beaten whatever it was, but she got sick again and we discovered 
her creatinine was sky high and she died despite everything we tried.)

Amani



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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are any of 
you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering 
it Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard 
to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular 
anabolics used by body builders and athletes??

Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( 
other than the 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[simon95]

Hi Guys
I am a member of a no kill shelter. 
We are in Malta.Europe.
All our heathly cat roam free .
Then we have an enclosure dor our felv cats and another for our fiv cats.
Then there is another for our blind cats. I have a felv cat at home and had 
Bella also but passed away last October. 
These creatures are cats also . And deserve to live even though there life 
maybe cut short. 
If anyone wants to have a look you can have a look on fb CSAf Malta
Sent from Samsung Mobile

 Original message From: Amy 
 Date:16/05/2016  17:31  (GMT+01:00) 
To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary 
Lorrie,

That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives 
of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our 
building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our 
rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I 
able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run 
both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it 
off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one 
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks 
for helping these kitties

Let me know!
Thanks Amy


From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

> 
>Lorrie,
> 
>Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> 
>Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are 
any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
administering it
Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with 
regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the 
more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes??


Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties 
( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus 
infection)   I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) 
from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their 
living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT 
more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I 
brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing 
mightily despite a chronic URI  Last week he developed some 
cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what appear to be burst 
capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this 
particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might 
be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance 
companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of 
DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed 
Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( 
running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at 
my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again 
to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is 
presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed 
explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted 
rate)   This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been 
reading vocaciously   I am not one who is going to employ heroic 
measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to 
them...   I'm already providing them a much better life than they might 
have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have 
known.  Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell 
if it is causing him pain..    Making an appt. to have blood work 
done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to 
still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful 
that he is not severely anemic But have NO idea what might have 
caused the blood in his eye.  also there is some clear discharge 
which I wipe away several times during the day... Any thoughts 
welcome...


Bob
Warwick NY

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GOOD VET!

 Rachel Dagner  wrote:
When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg 
and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he 
didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me if 
I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside too. 
We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he 
could live three months or a long normal life there was just no 
telling. She never even said the word euthanize.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   wrote:

I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or 
keep Annie, treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and 
never returned if he only had one solution.  Find another vet.



 Ardy Robertson  wrote:

Hello,

If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help 
people, especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. 
Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you 
are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My vets 
even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring them 
in that day for euthanizing!  I said ?no?!  If there was a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[dlgegg]

AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET PEOPLE TO NEUTER AND SPAY, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO 
STRAYS.

 Amy  wrote: 
> Lorrie,
> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
> rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
> them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have 
> positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV 
> positives at our building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free 
> and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in 
> often but am I able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do 
> get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 
> or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they 
> aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in 
> have converted after some time. We are always looking for more options on the 
> rare occasion we do get one in that remains positive and tests positive on 
> both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for helping these kitties
> Let me know!Thanks Amy
> 
>   From: Lorrie 
>  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>  Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>
> > 
> >    Lorrie,
> > 
> >    Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> > 
> >    Kat (Mew Jersey)
> 
> Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.
> 
> 
> I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
> next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
> big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
> but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
> just see a two story brick building not the inside.
> -
> 
> It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
> get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
> -
> 
> My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
> rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
> isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
> full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
> and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
> They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
> There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
> outside.
> 
> 
> The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
> upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
> cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
> Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
> beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
> walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 
> 
> 
> Lorrie
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

[dlgegg]

RE:  stool, I give my guys about 1/4 teaspoon coconut oil every day.  They ask 
for it.  I don't have as much problem with hairballs since we started this.


 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Olivia
> 
> It is a slow process. Once you get a bit of food into Kokonuts, she will 
> hopefully start feeling better. Keep feeding her small amounts at multiple 
> times of the day, if you can. Ask the vet to give her subcutaneous fluids or 
> to show you how to do it at home (t is pretty easy). She is probably 
> dehydrated as well as not eating well. Good for you to get the Pedialyte into 
> her - that is exactly what she needs - electrolytes - but with subcutaneous 
> fluids, there is a much faster uptake of the fluids, body-wide, then if it is 
> given orally. 
> 
> See if her stool is coming out regularly. If not, consider asking the vet for 
> Metoclopromide. As I mentioned in another post, FeLV often negatively impacts 
> the intestinal tract and causes the stool to slow down. The Metoclopromide 
> helps to empty the stomach and increases peristaltic action which moves the 
> stool along and this makes the cat feel a bit better after a meal.
> 
> I strongly suggest the Winstrol if nothing else but to increase appetite and 
> feeling better. That boost alone will go miles to helping your cat fight this 
> battle.
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of . .
> Sent: May-15-16 12:46 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
> 
> How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take a cat to 
> feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Olivia, 
> > 
> > So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very important 
> > are you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get a lot of food in 
> > and this is high calorie. When I was syringe feeding Tucker I took him to 
> > get fluids under the skin a couple of times and my vet only charges $14 to 
> > do it. My thoughts are that vets treat the symptoms but sometimes forget 
> > that we also need to treat the underlying problems. Which in our case is 
> > felv which causes a poor immune system.  
> > I would say find something to boost the immune system as well. Since you 
> > are syringing you can just add supplements right to the food. I syringe 
> > Tucker a tiny bit of food twice everyday mixed with his supplements. My 
> > suggestion would be if cost is an issue to try something like Life Gold 
> > immunity. It equals out to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I 
> > would do Vitality Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies 
> > offer a ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on 
> > products look and the ingredients and find something you feel comfortable 
> > with. I would give supplements not only while sick but as a maintenance to 
> > keep my kitties immune system strong, and fighting. I hope kokonut feels 
> > better soon and starts eating on her own. Keep us posted! 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,  
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
> >> 
> >>  Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote: 
> >>> My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had 
> >>> a fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & 
> >>> depo medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating 
> >>> & just been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My 
> >>> sister has been syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some 
> >>> pedialyte. Any other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown 
> >>> emoticon has anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected?
> >> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[dlgegg]

GOOD VET!

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and I 
> took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need shots 
> for six months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv vaccine 
> because I used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and it came 
> back positive :(. She told me he could live three months or a long normal 
> life there was just no telling. She never even said the word euthanize.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, 
> treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and never returned if 
> he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
> 
> 
>  Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, 
>> especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are 
>> told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no 
>> options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my 
>> other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing!  I said “no”!  If 
>> there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV 
>> crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and 
>> while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets 
>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time 
>> was slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t 
>> really explain anything about the blood test results.  I basically had to 
>> learn everything from reading online.  For instance I did not know that 
>> stress can bring on a crisis.  We had brought a stray into our house, and 
>> she was running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that 
>> was high.  I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus 
>> spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of 
>> age because their immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is 
>> also how I found this group online.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone 
>> marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on 
>> it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also 
>> known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to 
>> ship into the US.  I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US. 
>>  Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any 
>> meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do 
>> the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a 
>> loving cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online 
>> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat 
>> owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I 
>> hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s 
>> treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we 
>> eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and 
>> it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the 
>> time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had 
>> started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I 
>> could be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the 
>> cat, waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops 
>> up and attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through 
>> that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly 
>> for very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Rachel Dagner
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
>> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in 
>> and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours 
>> worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when 
>> you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge 
>> heart and a beautiful soul. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information 
>> instead of having to start over 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Amy]

Lorrie,
That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives 
of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our 
building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our 
rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I 
able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run 
both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it 
off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one 
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks 
for helping these kitties
Let me know!Thanks Amy

  From: Lorrie 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
   
> 
>    Lorrie,
> 
>    Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> 
>    Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 


Lorrie


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