Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
And the big problem is, is that the majority of the public isn't informed and hang on every word a vet says. They trust them for the best advice. It's up to us to spread the word as much as possible. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Alev Durmus alev_dur...@yahoo.com wrote: What is wrong with the vets? I was not as lucky as David, neither my River :((( Mine was killed by a no-kill animal shelter...Some of you might remember... By the way I sent a complaint letter, called a few of their top supporters, Executive Director called me and I was VERY accurate and not accepting their bs, the director of the faclities stepped down a while ago. I don't know if it is related but I hope the new one is better... I think this starts with vets, they know the facts and they are rushing to kill animals, if they behave that way, what do we expect from the rest of the society...I am open to start a petition etc. whatever comes to your minds. I am new and unfortunately I found this site after the fact, but I will never forget the support I got from all of you, thank you again. Alev From: David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Only IFA. I'll ask that she be retested with the Elisa too. Thanks for pointing that out. I thought the IFA was the definitive test but may not be positive right away when acute symptoms present. Also a clarification, my Tux as a kitten story was 5 years ago. She's now an adult. Even back then the vet was ready to destroy her if that snap test came back positive. Of course the current vet wanted to put her down at the first positive snap test with anemia. She may not even be infected with FeLV...but even if she were infected we wouldn't consider that option until her quality of life was so bad to warrant that (and treating her condition to give her a fighting chance at some recovery). Thanks. again. Dave On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Dave was she just retested on the IFA, or on the Snap test also? A positive Snap with a negative IFA is still a positive cat. If both tests were negative then she is negative. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/ From: Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+. This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet has let the felv diagnosis go now. Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering that would be different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very happy to see an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and reinforces what I thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people will do what the vet says...and that is very sad. Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to help someone. Thx. Dave On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple
Re: [Felvtalk] War on Cats and Others
Love it love it love it!!! You hit the nail on the head Lee, cats kill from instinct and hunger. Humans kill from ego. It makes me sick (what humans do). We pulled up into the driveway last night and a bunny ran across. My husband said to me, isn't it amazing how the cats don't seem to bother these rabbits? yes it's amazing! Humans are amazing. They come up with the most wonderful ideas, like gestation crates, a lovely form of all sorts of deprivation. What bothers me is that we think we have the RIGHT to do what we do to other beings. OK, I'm done. Thanks for the email(-: Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Alev alev_dur...@yahoo.com wrote: Lee, I couldnt agree more, thank you for this email, I will never stop talking about animal rights to people, take care Sent from my iPhone On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:41 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: There is so much nonsense, mythology and prejudice going around when it comes to diseases in general, whether cat, dog or human that it's a wonder any of us survive the ignorance rather than the disease. An acquaintance of mine was told by a licensed veterinarian that she needed to have her healthy FIV+ cat euthanized because humans can catch it from cats. Meow? My tenant, when I had a rent house, insisted that FIV was highly contagious but FeLv was NOT. Tail backwards. People to this day refuse to hug a person who is living with HIV but will shake hands with someone who has a horrid head cold and get all chummy with people who are coughing all over the air. Many veterinarians seem not to like cats to the point of finding reasons to put them to death. Others are simply too lazy to study new theories of medicine. In some cases, we have not traveled more than inches away from dancing around the bonfire to banish evil spirits as a cure for illness. Finally, we are now being treated to amazingly inflated statistics from almost comic studies that produced the startling news that cats kill rats and mice. Who would have thought!! Not just some rats and mice but toss in moles, voles and gophers, not to mention those things with wings that mostly fly. Stir with a hefty dose of sensationalism due to a slow news day, and you come up with BILLIONS of small mammals and birds being slaughtered and exterminated by feral cats. Please don't mention though that humans have hunted dozens of species to extinction just to have a head to hang on the wall or a rug for the floor, or as a way to stop male sexual dysfunction, or to carve into little statues or furniture (elephants) or just as a lovely delicacy to eat at a way overpriced fancy restaurant. (shark fin soup and other disgusting dishes). Sometimes it seems like humans will kill everything from snails to whales for the most trivial or ridiculous reason. However, just let it be known that cats kill mice and rats for a living and you have panic in the streets. Ah well, time to get off my soap box and go to bed. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
It's good to finally be validated isn't it? (-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 18, 2013, at 7:26 PM, strchalb...@aol.com wrote: Thank you all for your advice! I will be receiving her vet records soon and will go from there Glad I found this group of cat lovers:) I've always been a cat person, but unfortunately I married a non-cat lover, so it's a challenge trying to get him to respect the kitty's I love. Thanks again all!! Tricia -Original Message- From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia I got my dog to eat slower by putting golf balls in a pie pan with his food. He was forced to pick around the balls to get to the food. On Jan 15, 2013, at 7:29 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Tricia My Nitnoy lived a little over 4 years along with Annie who is also positive and 5 others who are all negative. My vet says that as long as the negatives have their vaccination for FELV and here are no fights where a positive bites a negative, there is very little chance of the negatives getting it. Nitnoy died after a short bout with impacted glands that became infected. That killed her, not the FELV which simply lowered her ability to fight off the infection. Annie is still going strong . Have you thought of changing food. Several of my guys were allergic to whet, corn and soy which is in most commercial foods. Casey would hurl right after eating and had stool problems and I have cleaned up more little puddles than I care to remember. She simply could not get to the box on time. Just like people, when it hits you don't have much time to get to a bathroom. I switched everyone to Blue Buffalo and no moe problems. Casey still has hairballs if I forget to give her hairball meds. Then recently I started giving everyone Royal Canine's Extreme Hairball dry as treats. Everyone loves it and now even hairballs are rare. I usually give around 10 pieces to each one and then stand guard to keep Harley from taking everyone else's treats. Also, does your baby eat too fast? Casey also had a tendency to gulp her food down. Started watching her eat and when she ate too fast I took it away from her and gave it back in a few minutes. Ended up sitting by her when she ate and giving her just a bite at a time. It did not take too long for her to catch on to th fact that eating slower kept her from vomintting. Just a few things you might try. Better than the 2 of you sleeping in the basement. john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com wrote: Tricia My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV He had his ups and downs, as we all do He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!! As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that disagreed with him What test was done. Snap or other?? With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is more through, and can tell if he actually has it I wish you the best FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was John From: strchalb...@aol.com strchalb...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Hello, I'm hoping someone can help me We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats. A friend decided to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay and declaw. She found out she has feline leukemia. She kept her for about a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box. I told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took her back. She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to be around the other cats with her cancer. So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other than not eating a whole lot. Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses. Well now today, she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box. Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box? She has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to her(powder form), when/if she gets sick??? She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that:) She also does purr quite loud!! Must be a good sign. She will play with a string too. So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in the basement with her
Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
Dana I can certainly vouch for that! Mine were trying to use the litterbox as I was pouring Dr elseys into it! Fixed the problem(: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 13, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried dr elseys precious cat litter? It really does work, at least when i tried it with my Buddy, who had felv and fiv and lived till he was about 11. It worked immediately for him. On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:21 PM, strchalb...@aol.com wrote: Hi John! Thanks so much for your quick replywow, you had 6 cats all in the house?? That would be heaven for me:))) My husband is NOT a cat lover, so he was not particularly happy stepping in the poop today:( EdI'm thinking we were chasing the kids in the house at about the time she left her mess. Maybe she was scared and it just all ran out?? I hate to keep her in the basement now, but I don't want any surprises during the night. She does have plenty of blankets down there with her food and two litter boxes. E the I do not know what test she was given. If it's not too difficult for you to discuss, could you tell me how your Tigger's health deteriorated towards the end?So I might know what signs to look for Hope your other kitties are healthy:) Thanks again for your time! Tricia -Original Message- From: john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:23 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Tricia My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV He had his ups and downs, as we all do He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!! As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that disagreed with him What test was done. Snap or other?? With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is more through, and can tell if he actually has it I wish you the best FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was John From: strchalb...@aol.com strchalb...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Hello, I'm hoping someone can help me We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats. A friend decided to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay and declaw. She found out she has feline leukemia. She kept her for about a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box. I told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took her back. She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to be around the other cats with her cancer. So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other than not eating a whole lot. Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses. Well now today, she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box. Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box? She has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to her(powder form), when/if she gets sick??? She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that :) She also does purr quite loud!! Must be a good sign. She will play with a string too. So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in the basement with her food and litter. I might end up sleeping down there with her again, as I did when she first came in the house. She has had the run of the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident. I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not. I certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... Thank you for your time:))) I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin! Tricia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan
I'm so sorry for your loss Bonnie, but so grateful that she had you while she was here. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Sweet thought -- Thank you! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: They are here for such a short time and then they are gone but somewhere, in a parallel Universe, Miya Chan is still alive and purring and a version of yourself is there with her. One night, you may visit her in a dream and feel her warmth and see her lovely fur, so while you are there, sneak in a kiss or two on the top of her head before you wake up to yourself back here. You made her life a happy dream. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan Goodnight, sweet Miya Chan... =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:50 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan Little _Miya Chan_ died unexpectedly Friday morning. Apparently she was in kidney failure, according to the Vet. Didn’t expect her to go so soon. Lovely brushed coat calico, rehabilitated feral who loved sleeping on the foot of my bed and would raise up her head and close her eyes when I bent to kiss the top of her head. May she rest peacefully and pain free, and may we meet again. Your good thoughts, positive energy and prayers for Miya are appreciated. Thank you, Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lee
LOL I like both those ideas! My husband has grown to love my cats. When you live with them, you can't help but to love them(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:59 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 12-13, Lee Evans wrote: Interesting. She asked you what your husband thinks of that. Well, I don't have a husband but I would probably reply that he didn't like my cats so I bumped him off and buried him in the used cat litter in the compost heap out back. Yeah, I know. I'm not very nice. LOL Better yet, you could have run him thru the Handy Home Slicer, then the Jiffy Burger Grinder, and fed him to your cats! Many people in my groups advocate a raw diet.so here's one at no cost! Fortunately my husband adores our 16 cats, so I have to buy my cat food! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
Lee, You're right. I went to the grain elevator the other day to pick up feed for my horses. The woman there asked me how many cats I have in my house. When I told her 6, her eyes got huge and she asked what my husband thought of that. I told her that they are very well managed and that my husband knew who I was when he married me. No surprises there! Some can't conceive of 1 cat in the house and all that goes with that, let alone 6 and up!! And if people have an attitude about cats and have never experienced their sweetness then they won't even give them a chance. Their loss, and a big one at that! Good night everyone, I'm so grateful for each and everyone of you(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Dec 12, 2012, at 2:36 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com wrote: i HAVE SOME THAT DO THAT ALSO.tHE HIGHER RUBBER MAID PLASTIC BOXES SEEM TO HELP.CATHY From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home A couple of comments: any cat with URI will have teary eyes and it may last for almost a month, unless treated with antibiotic ophthalmic drops or ointment. So it really doesn't have anything to do with the cat's FIV status. My cats have a very fastidious habit of perching on the edge of the litter box, like owls perching on tree branches. However, since most of my cats are of normal or porcine weight, over goes the litter box and I come in to a room I just cleaned and scrubbed to find pine pellets and dust everywhere, not to mention whatever the cat had put into the litter box in the first place. All over the floor. Aside from switching to clay litter and filling the box with 50 lbs. of the stuff, anyone have any idea about the tip-over problem? My last comment is this: anyone just happening onto this list and reading some of the posts would think that we are a bunch of lunatics having a bad hair day. Litter scattered all over, cats ordering us around, plastic and metal furniture, beds covered with plastic sheeting, disposable sofas? Until you have actually met a cat close up and personal, you don't understand. Then when you have, this all makes a lot of sense. Have a good holiday everyone. Put the Christmas Tree in the garage, away from the cats and use battery operated Hanukkah candles. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia
I remember being very frightened when I found out that Fletch was positive for Felv. But then I found this list and the people on here gave me much needed hope. They explained, just like Lee did that this IS NOT a death sentence. So keep your chin up. Tanya's CRF web site has a list of many different B complex vitamins that are available online and how much of each b vitamin is in each product. It would be a great place to look. Keep your chin up, we are all here for you. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds like the vets in your country are not very knowledgeable about FeLv. Your kitten is still young and might just be fighting the antibodies he got from a FeLv+ mother. You need to retest him in about 2 to 3 months and he may be negative, having overcome the antibodies. You need to know whether he is running a fever and how high it is. You probably need to visit another vet for the retest because it seems like the animal doctors in your country haven't much interest in diagnostics past just testing for FeLv and FIV. Sometimes the test can be positive for FeLv because the cat is fighting off another type of infection entirely. It's not a death sentence. It's a tool to see what can be done for the cat. Just like testing a human for diabetes is a tool to see what medications would be needed if the person has diabetes. Meantime give your cat good food. I would recommend a vitamin like Nutra-Ved which can be purchased online without any prescription or maybe your vet has it in stock. It's a liquid that you can either add to the food or give in a measured dose by mouth with a feeding syringe. I currently have a cat named Desi who is leukemia positive. However, although he lost a lot of weight, he grooms himself, he has shiny fur and he is alert, clear eyed and interested in things around him. He was a colony cat who we fed for several years. He just recently began losing a lot of weight and we had him tested, were surprised that he was FeLv+ because he was living outside all this time, never showing any symptoms of poor health. Each cat is an individual. One size medicine or vet care does NOT fit all. So keep a good attitude and don't look at your cat as if he were ill with something fatal. Look at him as if this is just another crisis in his life which he can overcome. Keep us posted. Hugs to you and your fur kid. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Hi Laurine, First let me say that I'm so sorry, because this is so scary and probably worse for you since it doesn't sound like you are getting any HOPE, which is so important. Does your kitty have a temperature? If you can get meds online I would definitely suggest some amoxicillin, if he has a fever. He may have an infection that he needs help with. You can order fish antibiotics over the Internet made by Thomas Labs. I hate to give this kind of advice, but it may make him better where he feels good enough to eat better. I would also give him some b complex vitamins Because cats need them. Sometimes they will perk up and eat and drink better after having them. Twin Labs makes liquid b complex that you could give by syringe. Other people on here will be able to help better than I, because I'm kind of a newbie with the Felv. My heart goes out to you and your kitty. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Lauraine Venter laura...@hencon.co.mz wrote: Funny enough around here they don't wanna put them to sleep (no space to put them afterwards) so they just say sorry have some vitamins and good bye when you leave their offices. I will rather put myself to sleep than do it to my kitty (sorry but I will) I got him when he was 5 days old and had to perform cpr on him at 10 days old as he didn't want to breath anymore so he is super special for me he is my kid. I will definitely have a look at L-Lysine I am prepared to do anything for him as long as he is not in any pain think that will kill me if I know he is in pain. He is living a very stress free life thus far (own playroom, jungle gym, toys, bed and even aircon as it get 40-45 degrees around here), my main concern is that it was picked up to late being that he is losing weight fast and still not eating good even if I give him his special treats that he loves and yes his age. Kind Regards Lauraine Venter ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia
Hi Laurine, First let me say that I'm so sorry, because this is so scary and probably worse for you since it doesn't sound like you are getting any HOPE, which is so important. Does your kitty have a temperature? If you can get meds online I would definitely suggest some amoxicillin, if he has a fever. He may have an infection that he needs help with. You can order fish antibiotics over the Internet made by Thomas Labs. I hate to give this kind of advice, but it may make him better where he feels good enough to eat better. I would also give him some b complex vitamins Because cats need them. Sometimes they will perk up and eat and drink better after having them. Twin Labs makes liquid b complex that you could give by syringe. Other people on here will be able to help better than I, because I'm kind of a newbie with the Felv. My heart goes out to you and your kitty. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Lauraine Venter laura...@hencon.co.mz wrote: Funny enough around here they don't wanna put them to sleep (no space to put them afterwards) so they just say sorry have some vitamins and good bye when you leave their offices. I will rather put myself to sleep than do it to my kitty (sorry but I will) I got him when he was 5 days old and had to perform cpr on him at 10 days old as he didn't want to breath anymore so he is super special for me he is my kid. I will definitely have a look at L-Lysine I am prepared to do anything for him as long as he is not in any pain think that will kill me if I know he is in pain. He is living a very stress free life thus far (own playroom, jungle gym, toys, bed and even aircon as it get 40-45 degrees around here), my main concern is that it was picked up to late being that he is losing weight fast and still not eating good even if I give him his special treats that he loves and yes his age. Kind Regards Lauraine Venter -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net] Sent: 19 November 2012 10:32 PM To: Lauraine Venter Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia You would be amazed at the number of vets in the US that reccommend putting a FELV+ cat to sleep because they feel it won't live and the costs can be high sometimes. My vet (one of the good ones) said it was up to me, there was a chance she could live a long life. It depends on the person living with the cat. How much do you love him (sorry bout that, could have sworn I saw her in your first mail). My Annie was 4 and is now 8 and has never been sick in that time. Nitnoy came with problems, a raccoon bit her tail off so she had stress to begin with. She still lived a normal, healthy life until 2 weeks before she passed with her head on my shoulder. There was no great pain for her, she simply sighed and was gone. One of the main things to do is avoid stress, that hurts the imune system. The L-Lysine will boost his immune system and hel fight off the FELV or the secondary infection. Because your baby is so young, it might be harder to fight it off, but if you are conserned enough to reach out for help, he has love to boost him and in my book that counts a lot. I will keep both of you in my prayers. Lauraine Venter laura...@hencon.co.mz wrote: I can find any medications on line and get it past customs no problem my worries is what medication to give as our vets here does not have an idea either they just did the test said oh so sorry no vaccines to prevent this illness in this country yet here is 15 days of vitamins and so sorry. So I am very worried about what to get with regards to medicine. He lost 200g in 4 days which is approx 7 ounces in 4 days and for a cat that is not good even I know that, he is just sleepy the whole time and not eating a lot, I have changed the food to a better product called Montego not your average commercial Epol or something available in supermarkets this dry food is very similar to IAMS just slightly cheaper. I can get plenty of raw fish and meat but the problem is this kitty of mine is very full of crap when it comes to food since first day I got him so not sure if the change will work or not nor have I ever tried the raw diet before very new to me. Thanks for the advise and care appreciate it a lot still angry and upset though but hey what can you do if you live in a developing country where certain stuff is not available as yet. Kind Regards Lauraine Venter -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net] Sent: 19 November 2012 10:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Lauraine Venter Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Can you go online to find medications? Is it possible to get things thru customs? I recently lost my Nitnoy at age 5. When I found her, she was diagnosed
Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat
Fizzion works and so does Anti Icky Poo which comes scented or non-scented(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: For the summer, you can get either the disposable large size pads or the adult mattress pads that are sold at medical supply shops for adults with bladder incontinence. Hey, I'm the queen of waterproofing. With all the cats I have had, there has always been a bed wetting problem with at least one or two of them. Instead of screaming and tearing my hair out and dumping the cat out the door, I used some of my elderly mom's disposable mattress pads for a while. She actually wasn't incontinent but she couldn't walk so needed a bed pan, so just in case...I would use the mattress pads. Then I purchased several of the washable types when one of my very old cats began thinking the bed was her litter box. You can also purchase a zippered waterproof mattress cover, then put a regular quilted mattress topper over it and just toss the topper into the washing machine if someone makes a mistake, sponge the waterproof cover with rubbing alcohol. It's a good deodorizer after it evaporates. But in the summer, if you don't want to feel you are being shrink wrapped, you can use the top removable types and either toss into the wash or toss into the garbage if they are disposable. The washable are more economical. You can even make up the bed in the morning and then put a fitted waterproof mattress topper over the whole thing to keep everything good while you are gone. If an accident happens, you just whisk the cover off and you are ready for sleeping in the bed. For the nasty drip into the mattress I would recommend an enzyme type odor eliminator. I used to use Petzyme, which you can purchase at PetsMart. It doesn't have any added scent as a cover up. Sometimes I think I prefer the odor of cat pee to those awful perfumes they dump into deodorizers. When you use the enzyme type deodorizer, you have to make sure the spot stays wet for at least 24 hours. If it dries out, by-by little beneficial bacteria and the enzyme doesn't work. You can Google cat urine neutralizer or deodorizer and see what you come up with. There are many brands and many prices. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat
Oh and someone told me that with the enzymatic cleaners like anti icky poo, to keep a moist cloth over the treated area so that it doesn't dry out. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: For the summer, you can get either the disposable large size pads or the adult mattress pads that are sold at medical supply shops for adults with bladder incontinence. Hey, I'm the queen of waterproofing. With all the cats I have had, there has always been a bed wetting problem with at least one or two of them. Instead of screaming and tearing my hair out and dumping the cat out the door, I used some of my elderly mom's disposable mattress pads for a while. She actually wasn't incontinent but she couldn't walk so needed a bed pan, so just in case...I would use the mattress pads. Then I purchased several of the washable types when one of my very old cats began thinking the bed was her litter box. You can also purchase a zippered waterproof mattress cover, then put a regular quilted mattress topper over it and just toss the topper into the washing machine if someone makes a mistake, sponge the waterproof cover with rubbing alcohol. It's a good deodorizer after it evaporates. But in the summer, if you don't want to feel you are being shrink wrapped, you can use the top removable types and either toss into the wash or toss into the garbage if they are disposable. The washable are more economical. You can even make up the bed in the morning and then put a fitted waterproof mattress topper over the whole thing to keep everything good while you are gone. If an accident happens, you just whisk the cover off and you are ready for sleeping in the bed. For the nasty drip into the mattress I would recommend an enzyme type odor eliminator. I used to use Petzyme, which you can purchase at PetsMart. It doesn't have any added scent as a cover up. Sometimes I think I prefer the odor of cat pee to those awful perfumes they dump into deodorizers. When you use the enzyme type deodorizer, you have to make sure the spot stays wet for at least 24 hours. If it dries out, by-by little beneficial bacteria and the enzyme doesn't work. You can Google cat urine neutralizer or deodorizer and see what you come up with. There are many brands and many prices. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy Miss Kitty
You are a very smart cookie(: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I have several cats with no teeth who knock back the dry food like it's their last meal. Cats don't really chew very much unless they catch a very tough mouse. Mostly, they give their food a few chomps and down it goes. They have a very high acid content in their stomach that does the rest of the digesting. If we ate like cats do, we'd be floating like blimps all the time because our digestive system depends on mixing saliva with the food to begin digestion in earnest. If you notice, when you rush a meal to get to work or an appointment, you end up bloated and uncomfortable for the rest of the day. At least I do. But cats, being lazy little critters, just go chomp/gulp and it's over. Also the good news. Kathryn might want to have that last canine removed. It's not serving any purpose and to be on the safe side, it's OK for Ozzy not to have it. Also, at some point in time, when Ozzy has recovered from all his ordeals and is settled in, I would recommend that the rotten roots be removed also. As they decay in his gums they could lead to infection, either locally or systemic. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy Miss Kitty I guess there is a silver lining in every cloud Lee. And this silver lining is that he has no teeth(-: Sad for Ozzy, but great for everyone he is living with! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Since Ozzy has no teeth, even if he fights, he can't spread FIV because FIV is spread by deep biting during a cat fight. He can't spread it through a scratch or through any non-violent contact with any of your cats. I have about 3 FIV+ cats mixed in with my my regular gang and no one is any the worse for it. About the spraying, once his hormones go away, even if he sprays occasionally (and all cats do that when nervous or angry on occasion) it won't smell terrible. I have several bad boys who do the spray thing from time to time just to keep in practice. It's a matter of pail and mop and that's mostly it. I use Simple Green Anti-virus cleaning product. It smells like a cleaning product when I'm mopping, but leaves the room smelling of nothing and nice and clean too. It comes in a half gallon size, is green in color. There are several types of Simple Green. The one I use is a concentrate. An ounce (shot glass for measure) in 2 to 3 gallons of wash water does wonders and I have at least 22 cats in a large room. They are NOT polite or well behaved cats either, but I still don't have to dig the house under. For more information about FIV+ and mixing positives and negatives together, you may want to join the FIV2 Yahoo Group and read the files or make contact with some of the members. Whatever you do, don't allow any vet to sell you the FIV vaccination. It turns a cat positive upon testing and will jeopardize negative cats because some vets and shelters still euthanize FIV+ cats for no reason except misinformation about the situation. Great news about Miss Kitty though. Females rarely get FIV because mostly, males are very polite to them but if the male cat grabs them by the neck too roughly during mating, it may turn into a bite and therefore infect the cat. But males don't usually do this. They don't want to kill the female, just impregnate her. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ozzy Miss Kitty Well, good news and not so good news. The cat that originally started all of this, Ozzy, is definitely an older cat and as I suspected, he tested positive for FIV although neg for FeLV. As he is obviously a battle veteran and drew blood from the person who originally rescued him too, indications are he will be more than happy to fight others and share the virus. He was also loaded with tape worms which men's Miss Kitty likely has them too so I have to dose them both for that. The vet couldn't give me an estimate of Ozzy's age other than to say he was no spring chicken. Why? Because he has almost NO teeth. One canine was intact but the rest were broken or missing. He removed a couple of the broken ones but says there were many that were just roots and there was nothing he could do short of major surgery. Says his gums are in surprisingly good condition, he just has no
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy Miss Kitty
Amen to that Lee! I think Ozzy will calm down and really appreciate being rescued, Kathryn. Somehow they just know it. He will like having his food served to him on a plate instead of having to scrounge for it. You did a very wonderful thing Kat. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: No, lol, FIV cannot infect a human being. You can be chewed on like a rubber toy and still nothing. I have been dealing with FIV+ and FeLv+ cats for over 20 years, bitten, scratched and snarled at, pilled them, cleaned up after them. I'm still here, relatively healthy and no cat diseases. You can't catch a cold from a cat either. It's just not a take. Viruses are very specifically programmed to each species. I'm sure they do cross species occasionally but not very often. That's why chimps used in HIV experiments are a very poor prototype for trying to develop a human vaccine. They just don't get the same effect from HIV virus as humans. But hey, some vets are so misinformed that they won't even be able to answer the question. As for his teeth stumps, the bite has to be DEEP. He can't bite with stumps of teeth but as you say, just to be safe, you can have them removed. It will benefit Oz and will ease your mind. Mostly, when neutered cats have a fight in the house, they smack each other with paws. If they do mix it up, it's briefly and toothless cats do no harm. Around here, FIV is not an issue since it's not environmental. I do have a separate sanctuary for 5 of my FIV cats because I started rescuing around 7 years ago when the information was still hazy about whether or not it was contagious and I do add contentious cats with teeth to my FIV group but I really don't think Ozzy would be a candidate for my group if he were here. After his hormones go away, he will also be more docile and less likely to do battle with anything but a mousy. So keep him where he is. Don't put him out or send him away. Just feed him until he's too fat to move very fast, get that last canine removed and enjoy the wonderful work you did taking these two orphans. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy Miss Kitty Good info and I thank you. I hadn't really thought it all through about him having almost no teeth - although he does still have that one canine and some stumps so he isn't a 100% safe Kitty for the other cats. Maybe less worry than I thought but still the potential. Marcia's brother was the original rescuer and Ozzy scratched him up quite a bit tho I don't think he bit him. Does anybody know if FIV can affect humans in any way if a positive cat bites? I would think not but don't know for sure. Thanks for the info an the cleaner too although it is a standing joke with my friends that the name of the product is NOT Simple Green, it is Intelligent Green.Green being my last name and all. ;-) Kat Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Since Ozzy has no teeth, even if he fights, he can't spread FIV because FIV is spread by deep biting during a cat fight. He can't spread it through a scratch or through any non-violent contact with any of your cats. I have about 3 FIV+ cats mixed in with my my regular gang and no one is any the worse for it. About the spraying, once his hormones go away, even if he sprays occasionally (and all cats do that when nervous or angry on occasion) it won't smell terrible. I have several bad boys who do the spray thing from time to time just to keep in practice. It's a matter of pail and mop and that's mostly it. I use Simple Green Anti-virus cleaning product. It smells like a cleaning product when I'm mopping, but leaves the room smelling of nothing and nice and clean too. It comes in a half gallon size, is green in color. There are several types of Simple Green. The one I use is a concentrate. An ounce (shot glass for measure) in 2 to 3 gallons of wash water does wonders and I have at least 22 cats in a large room. They are NOT polite or well behaved cats either, but I still don't have to dig the house under. For more information about FIV+ and mixing positives and negatives together, you may want to join the FIV2 Yahoo Group and read the files or make contact with some of the members. Whatever you do, don't allow any vet to sell you the FIV vaccination. It turns a cat positive upon testing and will jeopardize negative cats because some vets and shelters still euthanize FIV+ cats for no reason except misinformation about the situation. Great news about Miss Kitty though. Females rarely get FIV because mostly, males are very polite to them but if the male cat
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
Kat I'm so glad that you arent driving today! He said it is supposed to warm up tomorrow so maybe some snow will melt away. I'm so grateful you are taking the cats. What a difference it will make in their lives! If not for you, they may not have a life to look forward to. Thank you! My Mom was a big dog lover, had 12 collies in the house at one point. My grandma, who I spent a lot of time with, had cats and dogs. I love tem all! Big horse lover. I have eight of them. The economy has hit us hard, so I do the best I can. No one goes hungry(-: Take care and thanks again and again! Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:13 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: He just called me and we are probably going to try to get together tomorrow cause of the weather. He says there are two cats, the other a smaller black one, but it is very shy and he may not be able to catch it. He said the snow is letting up there so he is going to a local vet to get more food and a couple of cardboard cat carriers. I have his phone number so we will work something out. By the way, I like your brothers voice! Deep voices like his that resonate are so pleasant to hear! kat On Tuesday, October 30, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: His name is Craig. Wow, that's a lot of snow! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 8:44 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Hillsboro has received about 4-6 of snow since last nite when we started this conversation. Don't know what the rest of the world looks like but it is nasty here. Did your brother make it home? I will still meet him, it may take me a while tho as I live on a back country road and plows haven't been around yet. Will wait to hear from him. What is his name by the way? Yes, I have always been a night person. Some of us just are I guess. Internal clock is faulty or something. Kat On Tuesday, October 30, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, after u emailed U looked if up on the map and it would have been much further to drive to the campground. Looks like you stay up late like me. It just seems like there is a lot to do at night(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:41 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: That is even further for me as I am 2 hrs S/SW of Col. Ask him to bring cat home, call me and I will arrange to pick up tomorrow. Again, 937 466 2840 I will stay home til at least 2 pm waiting to hear from him. Kathy On Monday, October 29, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Kay Candlewood Lake. North of Columbus about 40 minutes. Thank you(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho. What campsite is ur brothet at? Campsite might be closer for me than w jefferson? kat On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go straight to you know where if there is such a place. I have met a few nice sisters at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that. They maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent, in spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable about FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had cabins on them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out who lived in the cabin and get the police on her ass. I do believe that in any state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course, in this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you dump your kids out on the road and take off. Sigh! Am I getting cynical or what... Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw the cat off a bridge. Yep, THOSE compassionate people? pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Is there a church nearby or a church or t
Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues
Lee I have a pet emu who totally intimidates my donkeys. It's so funny because they like to intimidate everyone else. What they don't know is that my emu wouldn't hurt a fly! He's very sweet and gentle!! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:48 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: It's funny to see my cats dash to the French doors in the cat room and begin chirping and twitching their whiskers in excitement over a bird. Then my peacock comes into view and they back away from the door. He's just too much bird for them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues My boys chirp when they see birds close up. On Oct 16, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Maryam Ulomi wrote: Thanks, I do try to keep her happy and healthy. I really hope the breathing issues are not some upper respiratory issues Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 16, 2012, at 8:19, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I don't think so. I'm not an expert, but in my experience, these chirping sounds mean that kitty is inquisitive and happy. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Maryam Ulomi To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:54 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues Hello, Kitty, the kitten I rescued from a feral mother 6 weeks ago, is making some chirping like sounds now. She also does some meowing and those chirping sounds when she jumps around or plays. Is that anything to be concerned about? Yesterday she did this not panting thing once and then again this am; I have an appointment to see the vet . But does anyone about such behavior? Sent from my iPhone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Nitnoy and felv
So terribly sad and so hard when they seem to get better. I think that is what makes it so damn hard to make a final decision. When the choice is in our hands it just not something that I think any of us take lightly. I'm so sorry about Nitnoy. Im sure her life with you was wonderful and I can only hope you take comfort in that. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 16, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm so sorry. I know how much you must grieve but you need to rejoice that you were holding her lovingly when she passed and you spoke to her and told her it was all right to leave. She is having no pain now, no discomfort, wherever it is that we all go when we pass. But you are still here stuck with the pain and grief. Please be nice to yourself and do something to relieve your unhappiness. You did a wonderful thing for Nitnoy. You gave her 4 years of quality life and love. Some people don't get as much. Hugs and blessings to you. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 5:07 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Nitnoy and felv My Nitnoy crossed over today at 12:45.She had been with me since 2008, survived a raccoon biting of her tail and being FELV +. There was nothing to idicate whaat was going on. During the holidays, she was not doing well so took her to ER. They did x-rays and complete bloodwork. I had told them she was FELV+ but they did not seem upset that she was just 1 point low on red and white cells. After the holiday, I took her to my vet as she was not improving, had not passed urine or stool. First thing he did was look at her anal glands. They were impacted and infected. He cleaned them out and gave her Covina and we brought home Orbax to be given once daily. Everything was much better, she was back to her self. Then Friday, she began hiding, not eating or drinking so took her to vet on Saturday. ONE THING SHE DID THAT STRUCK ME ODD - SHE TRIED TO EAT THE FIRBARK THAT MY ORCHIDS ARE PLANTED IN. Sat when we got to vet, my dr was not there, but his wife (also a vet) was. She said her lymph glands were slightly enlarged and gums very pale. We did another blood panel. Her white cells were .98 and her red blood cells were 3.2. Kidney and liver functions were normal as were creatine and bun. We thought about going to ER for transfusion, but she would have to stay over the weekend in a cage and we decided the stress would outweigh any good it might do plus her body might just kill the new blood and we would be right back where we started plus stress. Again, gave Covina shot and started again on Orbax. I wanted to try a tonic that has worked wonders on cancers, etc. Vet said ok but keep a record of what I did in case it worked. She actually seemed to improve. I was feeding with an eye dropper aruond 50 ml every hour (i can ad mixed with 3 cans hot water so she could swallow and also to egt fluids into her. She got around 50ml of tonic also. She took a turn for the worse this am at 3:30, but then seemed to get better. She was breathing easier, heart was strong and she responded to my voice and touch. By 12:45, she had gone completely the opposite direction. I was holding her aganst me as she seemed to like the body warmth when she gasped 3 or 4 times and the light in her eyes went out. I knew she was going and I told her it was all right. She held on with her claws, gave a sigh and that was all. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz
I know this sounds minor, but their cat litter ( I bought it in my small town because I'm 30 miles from a Walmart, and was in desperate need), anyway, their cat litter could cause emphysema in the cats that use it and the owners that scoop it! I was appalled and promptly sent them an email letting them know it. THEY SUCK! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 7, 2012, at 6:54 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 10-05, Lee Evans wrote: PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Thanks for bringing this up, Lee. I learned the hard way and used Hartz flea stuff for cats on one of my rescues, and he died in days from liver failure. I am appalled that this company is allowed to sell their stuff. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] O T Just don't read this if it upsets u.
AMEN LEE!!! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: WELL SAID LEE, AND EVERY WORD YOU WROTE IS THE TRUTH. On 10-04, Lee Evans wrote: I agree that neither candidate can make animal rights/welfare a major issue in this election and I also agree that the economy is the major issue that impacts our rescues and other people's companion animals the most. Then I look at the incumbent and see a man who was trussed up like a chicken about to go into the rotisserie and I see who did the trussing up, the Republican Senate. I look at who started the sub-prime mortgage mess that led to so many people losing their homes and I see a Republican President allowing banks and stock brokers and CEO's of investment companies to have free rein to grab the money and run. I see an ineffectual congress trying to get a fair tax program wherein people earning over a quarter of a million dollars a year would pay their fair share of taxes to run the country. Then I see Republicans putting up road blocks by saying that businesses would have to shut down if taxes were raised. Who the heck ever mentioned businesses? The problem is INDIVIDUALS who are rolling in money. I see Republicans coming in with smoke and mirrors and clouding the issue, confusing people into thinking that the tax hike would be on businesses. I see a ridiculous-on-both sides health care plan with over a thousand pages of gibberish regulations. What's wrong with just extending Medicare and Medicaid to everyone? What's the problem with not re-inventing the wheel and adopting the Canadian health care model? Then my friends tell me that we need a business man with a good sense of the economy to run the country. And I say, these are the same people who ran the country off a cliff for 8 years. I don't think I want them in the drivers seat again. Just my opinion. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
Stupid ideas from stupid people! Sorry, I hate to sound so judgemental, but seriously? Killed all the cats? That makes me sick. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:53 AM I get the same response from hostile people. Trees and vegetables are living things so you can't eat that either. Well, I will never be seen munching on a tree. I'm not a woodpecker but my idea is that I never eat anything that had a face or could move on feet, claws, feelers, or any way else. Most vegetables (except politicians) are meant to be eaten. So are fruits. When I was growing vegetables, I would allow a certain number of them to go to seed, to fulfill their need to propagate. The rest I would eat. Humans have a choice. Carnivorous species such as cats, lions, birds of prey don't have a choice so I wouldn't expect them to be made into vegetarians. Unfortunately, here comes the problem. If we all stop eating animals, then we won't kill cows, sheep, pigs and the cats won't have meat in their cat food. But here's the solution. They rarely have much meat in the cat food anyway. The first ingredient in most store products is corn meal. I assume that we could produce a balanced cat food with enough Taurine and other ingredients to satisfy physical needs of a carnivore like a cat if everyone in the world became vegetarian. However, thinking that everyone will some day become vegetarian is rather unrealistic, like those people who think that if we spay and neuter outside cats, colony cats, etc. we will some day not have any more cats and dogs on Earth. Actually, this happened in one city. They picked up all the cats and killed them at the city animal pound. Altogether, 2000 cats were destroyed. It was a small city. Everyone rejoiced. The outside roaming cat population was gone! Several months later, the outside roaming rat and mouse population increased to alarming levels and the city had to import a few hundred cats from surrounding cities to get things back under control. Stupid ideas abound. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I have to tell you, that after watching my Mom go through the death process, I have decided that high cholesterol is lookin pretty good to me! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done when I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but had to let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, but he was gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he went that way. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. I want to croak at home in my own bed. On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch. So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: [1]Lorrie To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org References 1. mailto:felineres...@frontier.com 2. mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 4. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 09-25, Marcia wrote: My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia. Wasn't she given fluids by mouth and morphine? As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death! Criminals also get free surgery and all the other things we don't get. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten
Could there be a hidden infection? Something is causing those lymph nodes to swell. I admire you, for taking in this little kitten. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Thanks, she is already taking l-lysine twice a day. We have done stool sample, bloodwork and urine test and there is no infection, which is why my vet believe she will test positive again when retested in 3 months. Sent from my iPhone. On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:54, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: L-lysine a good supplement to add, but if her glands are swollen, she needs to go to the vet for bloodwork. She may be fighting off an infection need meds. There is not reason you cannot keep her with your other cat if she continues to test positive. Just make sure you cat is up to date on it's FeLV vaccine. (initial vaccine booster) Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:39 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten Hello, I'm sorry for that first email. I wanted to find out if anyone had some advice and suggestions on nutrition for the little kitten I have rescue who is FeLV positive. She has tested positive and is the kitten of a feral cat, her glands are big but I'm hoping because she is now indoor and being cared for well she will test negative so I can keep her with my other two adult cats. I have been feeding her canned good with very high protein contents and no seafood, I read that was the recommended diet but any other suggestions, hints, are very welcome! Thank you Sent from my iPhone. On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:34, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
Lee I'm a vegetarian too! It's nice to meet another(-:. But, yes I know what u mean, no meat leftovers for the kitties! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it. Sheesh! Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and chicken. So they eat my corn and tofu. Weird world. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who died). Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk. I've already said what I think about dry food. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My Homey has had several bouts of crystals. She liked the Hill's SD canned food, but not the dry. I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients. I now feed Blue buffalo dry DUCK. We love that and also the duck canned food. We hate chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part of the problem. I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much luck. Right now, Homey is okay. I got water fountains and everyone loves them. It recirculates the water thre a filter. The plastic ones are okay, but need to be cleaned out more often. I got one on line that is stainless steel. Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors without hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often. With the fountains, the water is always moving, makes noise and they do drink more water. You might try them. Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she contracted a UTI. She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder. I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D. I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet. My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and turned away. After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake! I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what kind of food/diet did you switch to? Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well. I used to feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! Emma Beauchamp ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
I would say any wet food and preferably without by products. It may help to go to Tanya's CRF site and see what they recommend for wet food. My vet just gave me a free sample bag of Science diet kitten chow all the while telling me that cats are carnivores and need protein. Know what the 2nd ingredient is in that food? Whole corn! I guess my vet didn't read the ingredients. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often with it. So I finally quit using. Water fountains are great. Not only do the cats drink. They sit for hours watching the water go round and round. Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it. Who knows what goes through the minds of cats. No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Vets push the Hills because Hills says to. Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she contracted a UTI. She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder. I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D. I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet. My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and turned away. After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake! I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what kind of food/diet did you switch to? Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well. I used to feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! Emma Beauchamp ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
I absolutely detest Science Diet. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often with it. So I finally quit using. Water fountains are great. Not only do the cats drink. They sit for hours watching the water go round and round. Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it. Who knows what goes through the minds of cats. No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Vets push the Hills because Hills says to. Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she contracted a UTI. She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder. I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D. I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet. My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and turned away. After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake! I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what kind of food/diet did you switch to? Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well. I used to feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! Emma Beauchamp ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
I love the possums too! They used to eat with my inside outers on my front porch, and would sit in the squirrel feeding box that I had in the front yard. I love em and the fact that they are marsupials make them all the more fascinating(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Possums don't bother me but the coons do. I have trapped and relocated both (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they were causing neighbors. They were relocated to a farm I own. I brought the coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt themselves trying to escape (can't blame them). They get/carry a lot of diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid when they are not but they do carry rabies. As noted, they can easily kill cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs). They are extremely messy and destructive and can get into about anything. I know, and knew, from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment. Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again from personal experience. They are wonderful at insect control and I have watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects. Just FYI: The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the possums but they are actually darlings in my world. On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote: Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together with possums - it's amazing. The first time I saw it, I was really terrified for the cat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION cats and possums getting along. That was one worry I had about feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them. So far, all my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat. Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them. Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down until the drown them. Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters
Lee You said this so well. Thank you. I always tell people that that particular life is important to the being that is living it. I don't know if it sinks in, but it's actually very simple! Crazy as it may sound, I was in the theatre 21 years ago watching city slickers. When billy crystal was trying to save Norman the calf I decided to quit eating meat. His life was worth being saved, just because it is a life, not because he is dollars in someone else's eyes. I know it was just a movie, but the insinuations in that movie had a huge impact on me. Life is life, no matter what form that life takes. Then when they herded all the cattle in and the rancher informed them that the cattle were headed for slaughter because their life isn't a very good life anyway. That sealed the deal for me. How can ANYONE decide that? Even though we're still talking about a movie, this is the general mindset. So anyway, thank you so much for the beautiful way you wrote this. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jun 3, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: It's so much easier to slap a label on someone then to ask them why they are doing what they are doing. The problem is that they don't see that the life force that is in humans is also in every other living being. To them, cats are rocks. They can't see beyond their own bare hide to the spirit inside the furry hide of a cat, wolf, dog, cow, sheep and other animals. Even non furry beings have a right to live. They can't seem to get the message that there's nothing crazy about caring about or for other individuals on this planet. Lack of awareness is the basis for all racism, ageism and misogyny. It's unfortunate that the brain is fast becoming a vestigial organ. More soap from my soapbox. From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters That sounds like Lincoln County, Mo. Everyone thinks I am crazy for having 7 cats and actually taking them to the vet when they are ill. And I let them come into the house! My nickname around here is Crazy Cat Lady. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem here is that I'm in Texas. Killing is the State Sport. Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats. They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats who are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting these cats in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that they are NOT included in the cat limit rule. They recently reduced the number of cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10. This makes no sense except when you realize that they will now charge for an excess animal permit. Then it makes sense to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now over the limit and have to purchase the permit. Nasty little tricks. People who have received a citation in the past for having over the permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit. More nonsense. From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . . -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely permanently mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the way soldiers are by combat---and that they either need intensive (life-long?) counseling to change their attitudes, or retirement. This I gleaned from HSUS' (not a big proponent of No Kill) book on compassion fatigue in the animal care community: http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076 -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] let's get honest, Chuckie
You summed us all up, and everyone here IS AWESOME. I think we are a special breed of human beings and are doing what we are supposed to be doing. I love this group too, and feel so fortunate to have found all of you. OK I'm done now. Thank you Kat for putting this matter in perspective(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On May 29, 2012, at 11:44 PM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: I love this group. I love the people in it. I love the passion the members of this group have for the kitties who are unfortunate enough to meet up with this deadly retrovirus, and the dedication to improving infected cats' lives. Anyone who comes in here with less than the best of intentions for FeLV positive kitties understandably will not be coddled and cosseted. And even the person receiving the scolding will understand that it is coming from a place deep in the heart, borne of love and compassion, if they are honestly looking at what is being said to them. I don't believe anyone could possibly be naive enough to NOT SEE where this criticism of them stems from, even if they refuse to state this fact out loud. lol And, knowing this, the smart thing to do would be to stick around and get a clue, because I am sure that with the desire to do right by their cat, anyone would be welcome and accepted here. In fact, this is what everyone is actually hoping for, I'll bet any money. These people in here are EXPERTS at FeLV+ cats, info, treatment, everything. This is a place you want to be if you have an FeLV+ cat you care about. Miracles of understanding and knowledge happen here. You say you treat them good and care about them/her. Awesome. Just say you want to help the kitties... we can help you help them. Step up, Sir. Do the right thing, please. (**And I agree... Ben does rock! I am in awe. B12.gif) Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= I'm Kat Parker. I park cats. Spay neuter your neighbors... maybe THAT will fix the problem. Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE HAPPY cat! http://www.facebook.com/kat.theCRITTERprotector ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is because I can, and that obligates me. I make no money of course, but I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my shitlist and I don't even know him. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On May 3, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Wow! I'm so very sorry the vet treated you and your kitty that way. I totally agree with your statement. He should have let you decide if you wanted to spend the money!! Are you thinking about taking her somewhere else next time she needs fluids, etc? I hope her fever does not return so she can feel well enough to enjoy herself. Thank goodness she has you to take care of her and to feel your love. Bless your heart, Maureen!! Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? He's not even a shelter vet. He doesn't volunteer with us. He just was trying to tell us how to spend our money. I know he's just being logical about spending a lot of our money on a dying cat, but at the same time I couldn't believe he didn't even care about her fever. But without anything but a quick physical exam he wasn't sure it was FeLV related he just assumed it was. He just basically said its a FeLV kitten and she's going to die anyway so don't waste money on her. I'm still pissed. Yes I know FeLV kills a majority of kittens that have it but it doesn't mean you don't at least try to help them. He should have at least wanted to see if what was wrong with her had anything that could be treated and then let us know the cost and let us decide whether we wanted to spend money on her. Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:42:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Darn those shelter vets! It sure is hard to find a good one these days!! I'm so sorry that you are dealing with all of this and that the poor kitty can't get a vet that cares. Bless your heart for paying for tests out of your pocket. I do hope that she makes it and is not suffering. Glad to hear though that she is eating treats and getting your love. I know you are doing everything possible and I bet somehow, she knows that :) I hope she gets better, I really do. Thanks for the update! Lynda - Original Message - From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? finally I have a quick minute to give you guys an update. Yesterday I took the kitten to one of those vets. The kind that looks at her symptoms and says it all FeLV related without doing any test. He said she's not going to live long and didn't want to waste the humane society's money by doing any tests. I told him not to worry about it because I was paying for the test and I wanted him to do blood work . So he did and she doesn't have anemia but her protein levels are elevated which suggests FIP, as I suspected . She had a fever so I ask him to give her sub q fluids . I have no idea why I had to ask for fluids and he didn't suggest it. I guess because he just wanted me to let her die. Another vet on my blacklist. I guess it's just another cat to him. Won't be seeing that SOB again. It was important for me to get a diagnosis of FIP because I've been in contact with a vet at the university of TN that is going to let me try a new drug for the dry form of FIP. It's not on the market yet but the clinical trials look good. I don't know if I will get the drug in time to make a difference for my kitten but it's worth a try. The drug is actually an immune stimulant called polyprenyl immunostimulant. Since my kitten has FeLV in addition to FIP it may not help. But she's going to die anyway so why not try it. She's feeling better now that her fever is gone but she's still wobbly on her hind legs and now the other eye has uveitis. I don't know how much longer she has. I'm so depressed about it, but I'm giving her lots of attention and treats. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Sylvia
Anna I just want to say that I am sorry that you and Sylvia are going through this)-: she may still pull through, as it sounds like she has the will to fight. Has your vet tried azithromycin? It seems to fight uri pretty well. I always use b complex too, it encourages eating and drinking. Well take care of yourself and Sylvia. It sounds like you are doing everything possible and you are a wonderful cat mommy(-: Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Thanks to everyone who responded last week. Your advice means a lot to me, as do your kind words of support. Most of my friends here are not pet owners, so hearing from folks who have been through the same thing makes me feel way less alone. So again, thank you. At our last vet appointment, Sylvia's hematocrit was up to 31 from 28, which may be a good sign re: the anemia. I've switched the cats to EVO Herring and Salmon because that's the smelliest and seems to be Sylvia's favorite (she prefers it to A/D soft food). Her fever, unfortunately, has not responded to antibiotics. She's had a shot of Convenia, and I'm giving her antibiotics at home, too; we started with zeniquin, but it didn't seem to help, so the vet switched us onto doxycycline. She's eating enough on her own that the vet doesn't think we need to worry about assisted feeding or tube feeding, but she does have me giving subcutaneous fluids at home daily as long as Sylvia's fever is over 103 (she's been steady at 104 for over a week). We do have some new symptoms, too: her nose is extremely runny/stuffy, she's sneezing a lot and sniffling, and her eyes look very watery. The discharge is clear. Because she's not responding to antibiotics, the vet started her on steroids (prednisolone) today. She suspects that Sylvia has either an immune-mediated anemia or potentially FLV-related cancer, and thinks the steroids might help. I am under strict instructions to continue giving subcutaenous fluids and antibiotics along with the prednisolone. Sylvia seems to be feeling better than she was when I originally posted. She's not hiding under the bed, but has been sleeping out in the open on the couch and occasionally getting up to watch birds out the window on the armchair or hang out on the floor for a bit. She purred a little last night and seems quite happy to get attention/cuddles. She's still interested in treats, too. I'm trying to encourage her to eat as much as I can, and the vet says the steroids should help with that. Anything I need to look out for with the steroids? Have any of you had treatment go this route? I'm not at all clear on what the prognosis is for Sylvia right now, though I'd assume that if we're dealing with cancer that the steroids aren't a permanent fix. Any information you have that can help me figure out what to expect would be immensely helpful. Many thanks, and lots of luck to all of you and yours. Best, Anna, Sylvia, and Beatrice -- Anna E. Waltman PhD student Teaching Associate Department of English and American Literature University of Massachusetts, Amherst ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Sylvia
Christy, that is awesome! See, there is ALWAYS hope. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Christy Buchin cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: I have been where you are! Unexplained fever for months, fluids weekly, anemia, steroids, (which we are now weaning after 3 years), weekly CBC's, splenectomy, bone marrow aspirations, chemo drug, LTCI injections, Interferon.for the last 2 years, he has tested negative. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Thanks to everyone who responded last week. Your advice means a lot to me, as do your kind words of support. Most of my friends here are not pet owners, so hearing from folks who have been through the same thing makes me feel way less alone. So again, thank you. At our last vet appointment, Sylvia's hematocrit was up to 31 from 28, which may be a good sign re: the anemia. I've switched the cats to EVO Herring and Salmon because that's the smelliest and seems to be Sylvia's favorite (she prefers it to A/D soft food). Her fever, unfortunately, has not responded to antibiotics. She's had a shot of Convenia, and I'm giving her antibiotics at home, too; we started with zeniquin, but it didn't seem to help, so the vet switched us onto doxycycline. She's eating enough on her own that the vet doesn't think we need to worry about assisted feeding or tube feeding, but she does have me giving subcutaneous fluids at home daily as long as Sylvia's fever is over 103 (she's been steady at 104 for over a week). We do have some new symptoms, too: her nose is extremely runny/stuffy, she's sneezing a lot and sniffling, and her eyes look very watery. The discharge is clear. Because she's not responding to antibiotics, the vet started her on steroids (prednisolone) today. She suspects that Sylvia has either an immune-mediated anemia or potentially FLV-related cancer, and thinks the steroids might help. I am under strict instructions to continue giving subcutaenous fluids and antibiotics along with the prednisolone. Sylvia seems to be feeling better than she was when I originally posted. She's not hiding under the bed, but has been sleeping out in the open on the couch and occasionally getting up to watch birds out the window on the armchair or hang out on the floor for a bit. She purred a little last night and seems quite happy to get attention/cuddles. She's still interested in treats, too. I'm trying to encourage her to eat as much as I can, and the vet says the steroids should help with that. Anything I need to look out for with the steroids? Have any of you had treatment go this route? I'm not at all clear on what the prognosis is for Sylvia right now, though I'd assume that if we're dealing with cancer that the steroids aren't a permanent fix. Any information you have that can help me figure out what to expect would be immensely helpful. Many thanks, and lots of luck to all of you and yours. Best, Anna, Sylvia, and Beatrice -- Anna E. Waltman PhD student Teaching Associate Department of English and American Literature University of Massachusetts, Amherst ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger messages?
Me either. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Mar 28, 2012, at 2:43 PM, pandie...@aol.com wrote: i haven't rec'd any either -Original Message- From: botha.marinda4 botha.marin...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, Mar 28, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] Ginger messages? I don't any felvtalk emails any more. I use to get them daily. Could you please send me your regular emails again? Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] www.adopt.bemikitties.com - for FeLv/FIV cat
Pretty awesome site! Pretty sadl number of vets that are Felv friendly. Although I am sure it is due to people being unaware of this site! Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has anyone heard of this? www.adopt.bemikitties.com has a place to list vets who are FIV and FeLV friendly. PLEASE register your vet if he is one of them so that the next person who gets a cat diagnosed in your area won’t get a euthanasia suggestion immediately. Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make A Difference ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry I'm truly sorry about Coco. I'm sure she was very much loved during her time here. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:12 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: We just learned tonight that we lost our sweet little black girl Coco. She was a dainty lady with a big heartwe will miss you Coco And my heart goes out to all of you who have lost a furry friend recently also. Thank you all for loving these special babies and thank you for being here for me... Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch (pet-abuse.com DNA national website)
I'm so glad this exists, but it's extremely hard to look at. It made me want to barf. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Mar 10, 2012, at 3:55 PM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: There is: I found one database that seems amazing but it's suprising how often people don't know about it and just uselessly circulate DNR's on lists: It's called http://www.pet-abuse.com/ On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: PS Those who dump animals should never be allowed to hve another animal. There should be a list circlated nationwide for humane societies and rescues. As for thosewho dump children or abuse them, they should be spayed or neutered so they can never have another child to inflict pain and suffering on. dlg...@windstream.net wrote: You mention people abuser. I was told by an investigator for the humane society that wen he is called to ivestigate animal abus, 9 times out of 10 he also reports child buse. I AM NOT SAYING GRANT IS THAT, BUT PEOPLE WHO DUMP THEIR ANIMALS WULD FIT INTO THAT CATAGORY. THEY HAD A CHILD BUT NOW IT IS TOO MUCH TROUBLE SO THEY ABUSE AND EVEN DUMP THEM ON THE ROADSIDE OR SEND THEM TO GREYHOUND BUS TERMINAL WTH A NOTE SAYING THEY CAN NO LONGER COPE WITH THE CHILD, PLEASE SEND TO BAPTIST CHILDREN'SHOME. I just wish I could also adopt the abused, unwanted children and give them a good home with lots of cats and dogs to teach them the meaning of love. Then all could learn to love and be loved and be happy. THAT IS MY SERMON FOR THE DAY. Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote: Amen, I agree 100%. It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, to start paying the piperwho are virtually invisible, to start paying the piper. Amen two..there should be a way to catch them, and if possible then once that dumping is stopped lets see how many true hoarders_and there are_ remain. Justice would be served that way. But it is not possible, somebody should invent a device to catch them..or something. We can just preach for now **don't dump, you are not only putting your pet(or your foundling)life in jeopardy but are hurting the good person behind that fence. Right now you are a peoples abuser even if you don't realize it and if you don't now you do. People will go to jail and have their lives ruined b/c of your actions and the cat/dog you left might even die.** Lets grab the dumper's conscience and hardwire with that statement so they can hear it the rest of their lives..ppl walk away satisfied now the fur they left will be taken care of and they found a good solution to their problem, lets change that playback(and some of this people won't take the animal to a Humane Society because it'll be put down..Yes it can happen, but know the outcome from your dumping is not very different plus there's a persons reputation and all the animals she tried so hard so to save at stake now too..deal with it!!(I've seen that and it males so angry) Marta It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, to start paying the piper. And the people who TRULY have good intentions to stop being persecuted. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger
Well said Natalie. So many people struggle with this. I used to have my own pet grooming business and had this come up every so often with customers. So sad. Some vow to never ever have another pet. I always told them that they were such wonderful pet parents and there were so many that needed homes. But I never thought to say it was a tribute to the pet that died. Such a wonderful perspective. Thank you! Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Mar 10, 2012, at 11:16 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: I am so sorry about Ginger; every time I hear of a cat dying, it hurts, whether it's someone else's or my own...and it happens so often on this list! No, getting another cat is not betrayal; I see it as a wonderful tribute to the cat that died! There are so many out there that are in desperate need of a home, and if you can prevent a death in honor of your cat that just passed, even better! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of botha.marin...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:05 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ginger It's been a few weeks since we lost our ginger kitty. I am still so sad about my darling! Do you think I should get another kitty so soon after his death? I feel I would kind of betray my Ginger kitty. Could you please advice me what to do? Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie
Thank you Natalie(-: His name is Craig White and his email is craiglwh...@gmail.com. Thanks so much! Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:25 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Marcia, Your brother would do best to join the 2053vgroup, need his name and e-mail address…am in México now, and can approve membership when internet is functioning (not too much here). The black salve would get right into whatever may be left of the cancer and get the new nodule and clean it out. Everyone in the group helps with what they’ve learned from their own experiences. The tonic may also be given at the same time, and dogs really tolerate it very well!! Let me know asap, Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie Thank you Kathryn, I appreciate it(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Dr. Deva Khalsa claims that tumors will come back at the incision site unless the animal's immune system has been strengthened enough to deal with the cancer.You might want to contact her. She does phone consults. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Natalie My brothers dog has just been diagnosed with a moderately aggressive breast cancer. They have already done surgery and the pathology report just came back. Now, there is a small nodule not very far from the surgical site. I was telling him about the black salve andI was wondering if you could hook me or him up with this group that heals with black salve. This poor dog, had a horrible life until he got her. He's only had her for about a year, and now this. He just wants to give her the best chance to live. Thank you so much. Take care Marcia ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie
Wow, so much gratitude! Thank you. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 18, 2012, at 3:28 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Done! Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 4:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie Thank you Natalie(-: His name is Craig White and his email is craiglwh...@gmail.com. Thanks so much! Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:25 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Marcia, Your brother would do best to join the 2053vgroup, need his name and e-mail address…am in México now, and can approve membership when internet is functioning (not too much here). The black salve would get right into whatever may be left of the cancer and get the new nodule and clean it out. Everyone in the group helps with what they’ve learned from their own experiences. The tonic may also be given at the same time, and dogs really tolerate it very well!! Let me know asap, Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie Thank you Kathryn, I appreciate it(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Dr. Deva Khalsa claims that tumors will come back at the incision site unless the animal's immune system has been strengthened enough to deal with the cancer.You might want to contact her. She does phone consults. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Natalie My brothers dog has just been diagnosed with a moderately aggressive breast cancer. They have already done surgery and the pathology report just came back. Now, there is a small nodule not very far from the surgical site. I was telling him about the black salve andI was wondering if you could hook me or him up with this group that heals with black salve. This poor dog, had a horrible life until he got her. He's only had her for about a year, and now this. He just wants to give her the best chance to live. Thank you so much. Take care Marcia ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie
Natalie My brothers dog has just been diagnosed with a moderately aggressive breast cancer. They have already done surgery and the pathology report just came back. Now, there is a small nodule not very far from the surgical site. I was telling him about the black salve andI was wondering if you could hook me or him up with this group that heals with black salve. This poor dog, had a horrible life until he got her. He's only had her for about a year, and now this. He just wants to give her the best chance to live. Thank you so much. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:02 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Actually, the feral cat, Corgi, who had a blood clot, couldn’t move hind legs at all, clot was dissolved, who has a limp now - IS orange! After he was treated, he became one of the most friendly cats in our household, and all the cats that are with him absolutely adore him – he’s a real caretaker kitty! There’s something about all cats, whether tabbies, white, orange, buff, black, very specific to how they look. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My Siggie Terri, So sorry for your loss of Siggie. Orange tabbies are very dear to my heart! RIP, Siggie. Hugs to you Terri~ Lynda image003.jpg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie
Thank you Kathryn, I appreciate it(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Dr. Deva Khalsa claims that tumors will come back at the incision site unless the animal's immune system has been strengthened enough to deal with the cancer.You might want to contact her. She does phone consults. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Natalie My brothers dog has just been diagnosed with a moderately aggressive breast cancer. They have already done surgery and the pathology report just came back. Now, there is a small nodule not very far from the surgical site. I was telling him about the black salve andI was wondering if you could hook me or him up with this group that heals with black salve. This poor dog, had a horrible life until he got her. He's only had her for about a year, and now this. He just wants to give her the best chance to live. Thank you so much. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:02 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Actually, the feral cat, Corgi, who had a blood clot, couldn’t move hind legs at all, clot was dissolved, who has a limp now - IS orange! After he was treated, he became one of the most friendly cats in our household, and all the cats that are with him absolutely adore him – he’s a real caretaker kitty! There’s something about all cats, whether tabbies, white, orange, buff, black, very specific to how they look. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My Siggie Terri, So sorry for your loss of Siggie. Orange tabbies are very dear to my heart! RIP, Siggie. Hugs to you Terri~ Lynda image003.jpg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIP
% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New and Some Questions
My vet said as long as there are Felv+ cats that the negatives are exposed to. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 15, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone: do you have to repeat the Felv vac every year? On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Vicky Eyal vi...@droreyal.co.za wrote: Hi Everyone I am new to this list and to the world of Feline Leukemia. We have 3 precious cats, and we found out at the end of last year that two are FeLV positive, and of those two, one is FIP positive as well :( Details: Kitty1 (11 years old, male) is the reason we got any of them tested at all. He was just a little off - more subdued, less energy, a little on the skinny side. He tested positive for FeLV and FIP. Our vet put him on a round of cortisone and antibiotics, and he seemed to bounce back. He still isn't completely 100% though (although hard to pinpint actual behaviours, more just a general sense I have), and is still skinnier than I would like. Kitty2 (11 years old, male) also tested positive for FeLV (but not FIP). He currently has no noticeable symptoms at all, although he does vomit a lot. This has been going on for 5-6 years though, and he is long-haired, so I don't think it is related. Kitty3 (1 year old, male) tested negative for both viruses (and FIV). We had him vaccinated against FeLV when he tested negative, and he had the booster 4 weeks later. We will continue to give him the vaccination every year. If you got through all of this, thanks so much. Now my questions: Q1. I want to start Kitty1 on some form of treatment, just to build him up/keep him strong. I have the sense that all is not 100%, even although he is not noticeably unwell, is eating fine etc. I was thinking of asking our vet to start Interferon. Any thoughts here? Suggestions? Would something else be better? Would it be bad to start a treatment like this before he is noticeably sick? What is the recommended dosage here? Q2. Is there anything I should be doing for Kitty2. He seems fine, hasn't lost weight etc. He does throw up a lot, but has for the last 5-6 years. Q3. We have decided to keep Kitty3 instead of rehoming him, after a lot of thought. He has had 3 homes in the last year (a shelter rescue who was then neglected by the person who adopted him... g...), and he is so settled with us, that I worry about trying to find him yet another home. I think he must have been exposed by now in any case (the older boys would groom him on the face when he was little), so my prayer is that he has immunity. Am I being naive here? Should we find him another home? Q4. Any tips, advice, suggestions on what I can do to prolong our boys' lives with a reasonable quality? Thanks so much in advance. And sorry for the long message. Vicky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] CAT LOVERS: OMG!!! comments deadline 2/16! Stop the annual slaughter of bobcats in NY for the foreign fur market..
I don't live there and it pisses me off!! People can be SO cruel and miserably stupid!! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:14 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Stop the annual slaughter of bobcats in NY for the foreign fur market As a NY taxpayer I am outraged and appalled to learn of the DEC plan to increase the numbers and areas where bobcats can be hunted and killed. The bobcat is an important member of our natural community and should not be killed for sport or for their fur. The hunting and cruel slaughter of this magnificent animal is objectionable to most animal lovers and NY residents and endangers many other animals including household pets who get caught in the cruel traps set by hunters. This is the 21st century and there can be no justification for this barbaric and inhumane treatment of our wildlife. Zelda Penzel, President People for the End of Animal Cruelty and Exploitation NY, NY Please cross post to all New York contacts Bobcat Hunting and Trapping Take Action! Stop 5 Year Plan to Expand Killing of Bobcats This video may be hard to watch, but it was much harder on the bobcats who have been silently suffering. Direct link: http://youtu.be/h1Z179_I3ds Scroll down past the transcript to send a letter now! Transcript: The New York Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) is proposing a 5-year plan that would greatly EXPAND the hunting and trapping of bobcats within the state. The new plan would DOUBLE the annual number of bobcats that hunters and trappers can kill and would also open up vast new areas of the state that previously were off limits for hunting and trapping. According to DEC, the proposed five-year plan will provide sustainable use and enjoyment of bobcat by the public. How can the killing of innocent animals be deemed enjoyment? Trappers and hunters kill more than 500 bobcats annually in New York alone. And now they want to double that number to 1000! Prized as trophies, many bobcats are stuffed by taxidermists and sold to collectors. But far more are killed for their pelts, which sell for $50 to $200 each. And often these pelts are exported outside of the U.S. and dyed to look like ocelot pelts in order to make even more money for the trappers and hunters! Dave Miller, the executive director of the New York State Trappers Association, which has about 1,700 members, has been quoted as saying, We are pretty excited about this proposed expansion of bobcat trapping. We need YOU to let New York DEC know that you don’t support the killing of bobcats, and are appalled that they are considering this plan to expand such a cruel, inhumane and unnecessary practice! Don’t let bobcat trappers and hunters be the only voices on this issue that DEC hears…please speak up and be a voice for these cats! Comments will be taken through Feb. 16 so please take action TODAY and make your voice heard! See the form below if you are online. If you got this alert via email, copy this link to get to the form. http://www.capwiz.com/bigcatrescue/issues/alert/?alertid=60981786type=CU ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Doxy
Amanda The bird biotic is doxycycline hyclate and it's only good for 72 hours after its mixed up. I think the monohydrate lasts much longer. But that's ok as long as you mark your bottle with the date that it was mixed. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 10, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net wrote: Marcia, thanks for both suggestions. Yes, L-Form Bacteriaseems to be what they were describing. Some round, others blown-up, and some hairy. The Marshall Plan might be viable, if only I could find a clear-cut explanation of it. I'm guessing it's a thorough approach using all fresh food, no glutens, etc. I'm interested in colliodal silver, although it sounds good in the petri-dish, I'm not so sure it'd be good for a cat. Anyone else using it? What's the dosage? Ah - and the bird stuff? Awesome. They also have sulfas and all forms of antibiotics available, it's just they're for the birds. *chuckle* I still have some fish-erythro that I purchased over a year ago, before they started yanking them off the pet store walls. It seems too many people figured it out. Glad they haven't gotten wind of the bird stuff. I'm going to stock up. Sulfa powder is exceptional for little scrapes that kitties get on legs and paws, and it's good for humans, too. Saved my hand after I was bitten by a german shepherd pup. Thank you for your incredible kindness! Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net - Original Message - From: Marcia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent Advice Needed I don't know why your veterinarian did that. It's always been my understanding that tetracyclines are the only treatment for mycoplasma. I'd google the hell out of that one. And I'm very sorry. I'd either get another vet or get my own Doxycycline, Bird Biotic by Thomas Labs. Very sorry for your loss, Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Doxy
And how about some immune system builders, like colostrum, etc. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 10, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net wrote: Marcia, thanks for both suggestions. Yes, L-Form Bacteriaseems to be what they were describing. Some round, others blown-up, and some hairy. The Marshall Plan might be viable, if only I could find a clear-cut explanation of it. I'm guessing it's a thorough approach using all fresh food, no glutens, etc. I'm interested in colliodal silver, although it sounds good in the petri-dish, I'm not so sure it'd be good for a cat. Anyone else using it? What's the dosage? Ah - and the bird stuff? Awesome. They also have sulfas and all forms of antibiotics available, it's just they're for the birds. *chuckle* I still have some fish-erythro that I purchased over a year ago, before they started yanking them off the pet store walls. It seems too many people figured it out. Glad they haven't gotten wind of the bird stuff. I'm going to stock up. Sulfa powder is exceptional for little scrapes that kitties get on legs and paws, and it's good for humans, too. Saved my hand after I was bitten by a german shepherd pup. Thank you for your incredible kindness! Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net - Original Message - From: Marcia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent Advice Needed I don't know why your veterinarian did that. It's always been my understanding that tetracyclines are the only treatment for mycoplasma. I'd google the hell out of that one. And I'm very sorry. I'd either get another vet or get my own Doxycycline, Bird Biotic by Thomas Labs. Very sorry for your loss, Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
I know this sounds completely off subject, but there is a ton of information on Tanya's CRF website about what to do for cats that aren't eating. This info, although is provided for cats with CRF, can be used for any cat that isn't eating. I would also recommend a b complex supplement. It will stimulate appetite, and cats lose b vitamins during times of stress. What did your vet say concerning euthanasia? Some won't say anymore. I will be thinking of you and Ginger. My heart goes out to you 3 Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:39 AM, botha.marin...@gmail.com wrote: My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is already in kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
Hi I just have to be totally honest here so that you and Ginger don't go through what my little Fletch went through. I didn't make it to the vet on time. Fletch died in his crate while I was racing to get him there to stop his suffering. He died a horrible death, and I will never ever forget it. Now, none of us can see your kitty, or what kind of shape it is in, but please, don't wait to long. It's a hard decision because there IS hope for Felv cats. It's a fine line to walk. And I think it's very hard, anymore, to find a vet who will actually tell you to euthanize. My thoughts are with you. I'm so sorry you and Ginger have to go through this. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:39 AM, botha.marin...@gmail.com wrote: My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is already in kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
Beth, I had no idea. That is a very good piece of info. Thank you! Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Eating litter is a classic sign of severe anemia. Most of my FeLV's died from anemia. At this point it's probably too late for interferon. That is a good preventative to boost the immune system, but it takes a while to start working. I euthanized all mine at the point they started eating litter, but that is a choice that only you can make. My thought are with you your baby. I know how hard it is to see them suffer. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: botha.marin...@gmail.com botha.marin...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:39 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is already in kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
Lee Absolutely wonderful advice(-: On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv. Since I have many other cats, I isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he tested negative. That was about 6 years ago. He's still going strong and happy. If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life, retest in about two or three months. Even if she's still positive, that's NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical danger. Feed her good food, clean water. Think simple. If she has a problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related to leukemia but always have it checked out. Most important, get a second opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending fatality. Look at her the same way you have been doing all along. A wonderful cat enjoying her life. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Firefly Please add to the CLS :(
I wish I could say something to ease your pain, but I know from experience that I cannot. It doesn't seem fair that these beautiful lives are taken so soon. I am truly sorry Sherry. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: Through tears I am writing this,Sids has lost another wonderful girl todayFirefly got her name by chasing fireflies jumping and trying to catch them before her rescuer got her off the street. She was the cutest little tabby girl with the sweetest face and purrsonality. I loved her from the second I met her as I am sure many of us volunteers were smitten with this little ladyshe left us too soon but she will ALWAYS have a place in my heartwow this hurts.. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI
Hideyo Thank you for sharing that information and Im so sorry about the kittens you lost. I know how devastating it is)-,: and we never ever forget them, do we? Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 18, 2012, at 3:53 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Hi, Thank you for asking.. Originally, there was a total of 11 felk kittens we had - and the kitten I mentioned to you who has been on LTCI, her name is Orphie - she was the smallest of all - the next smallest kitten, Little Blue unfortunately passed away, when she was seven weeks old, and Orphie almost died a couple of times also.. as mentiohned, she just never gained weight though she ate pretty well - and all of sudden she stopped eating for a few times - and we made sure to keepn an close eye on them and give her subq fluid, everytime that happens and every time they have diarreah... And we took seven of the larger kitteis to a sanctuary in Iowa.and I kept three smallest kittens - among those three, her brother Raisenette, and Wooley passed away due to FIP - I was so devastated.. among 7 kittens who went to Iowa, two kittens passed away, which also has been devastating --- now I have Orphie who has been on LTCI for about 6 months or so -- my Gigner who is 8 years old, who also is felk kitty gets LTCI - but not often.. I used to give Orphine twice a week - split vials with Wooley and Raisenette as I could not afford, and also because they were so small to get a whole vial -- Now Orphie and Ginger gets a shot every two to three weeks - Hideyo From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:39:45 -0600 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI Hideyo, This is great news for your kitten, you, and other Felv + cats that may have to have that someday. Very encouraging! How long will she be on it? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2012, at 5:12 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Hi, I have been using LTCI on my felk kitten and she has been doing great! She was 1lb runt who had struggled to put any weights even when she was 3 to 4 months old - however, since I have been putting her on LTCI - she has become so healthy - now she weighs almost 7lb! Anyway, I am looking for someone who may want to split the vials with me - I normally purchase 10 vials - but since she is on LTCI for every 2 to 3 weeks now. I wanted to split someone to be economical. 10 vials is $440 to 450 wiht tax plus shipping - please contact me if you are interested in doing so. thank you. Hideyo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociable companion for their FeLV+ cat?
Hi Shanda, I had a positive cat with 3 unvaccinated cats for a year. Of course I had no idea he was positive. When he became symptomatic I had him and my other 3 tested. The other 3 came back negative after being around him all that time. They slept together, shared food and water bowls and litter boxes. Of course I had them all vaccinated at that time. Point is is that you can keep her and just vac your other cats. (-: Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Shanda Robertson sha...@well.com wrote: Hi, I am new to this list. I've just found out that a stray cat I've been looking after is FeLV+. She is an adorable, petite young female (1-2 years old) that I've named Munchkin who is spayed, and otherwise healthy. The most special thing about her is that she LOVES other cats. She chases after them and tries to play with them, and jumps up onto window ledges wherever she sees a cat sitting in a window. When I let her into my home, she ran straight to my sleeping cat and snuggled in next to him. I don't think she would be immediately friendly to other people since it took her awhile to trust me, but she now purrs and sleeps in my lap. She would make a wonderful companion for another FeLV+ cat. I cannot keep her because my cat is FeLV-negative and unvaccinated. I am lucky to have found a cat rescue to take her in on Monday, but she will be confined separate from other cats, and this makes me sad for her. Is there anyone who wants her? I'm in the Bay Area, California, and could drive her to you. Either before or after Monday (I'm sure I could get her back from her new lodgings, but would rather not put her through more than one move). Photo: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X7B3nd6Gu9s200H2ZhwuVgm3R7luXUf2QgPNd57qIVM?feat=directlink She is very cute! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociable companion for their FeLV+ cat?
Shanda, I just want to say is that what I have learned from this group is to make decisions based on fact not fear, and to do what is best for my cats(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Shanda Robertson sha...@well.com wrote: Hi, I am new to this list. I've just found out that a stray cat I've been looking after is FeLV+. She is an adorable, petite young female (1-2 years old) that I've named Munchkin who is spayed, and otherwise healthy. The most special thing about her is that she LOVES other cats. She chases after them and tries to play with them, and jumps up onto window ledges wherever she sees a cat sitting in a window. When I let her into my home, she ran straight to my sleeping cat and snuggled in next to him. I don't think she would be immediately friendly to other people since it took her awhile to trust me, but she now purrs and sleeps in my lap. She would make a wonderful companion for another FeLV+ cat. I cannot keep her because my cat is FeLV-negative and unvaccinated. I am lucky to have found a cat rescue to take her in on Monday, but she will be confined separate from other cats, and this makes me sad for her. Is there anyone who wants her? I'm in the Bay Area, California, and could drive her to you. Either before or after Monday (I'm sure I could get her back from her new lodgings, but would rather not put her through more than one move). Photo: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X7B3nd6Gu9s200H2ZhwuVgm3R7luXUf2QgPNd57qIVM?feat=directlink She is very cute! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociable companion for their FeLV+ cat?
Great link, Sharyl. It was very informative. Thanks for putting it out there(: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Shanda, You might want to read this link http://www.reference.com/browse/lymphoid+system Explains FeLV in plain english and answers many of your questions Sharyl From: Shanda Robertson sha...@well.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociable companion for their FeLV+ cat? Thank you everyone for your replies. I had this set on digest so I didn't see them. I am just learning about FeLV, and I have heard everything from a cat can catch it from walking across a surface a positive cat touched days ago, to it being very difficult to transmit even with direct contact. My first concern is to protect my existing cat. 2 different vets advised me against vaccinating him for FeLV because of sarcoma risk (he is an indoor cat). I'm considering it anyway but haven't made a decision. One vet told me that the PureVax non-adjuvanted vaccine was no better in preventing sarcoma. I'm considering getting my cat vaccinated anyway but haven't made a decision. Keeping them separated inside my small home is not possible. Ideally I'd like to find somewhere for this stray kitty with an enclosed outdoor area because she's apparently used to being an indoor/outdoor cat. I think she'd do ok indoors as long as she had other cats for company. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ollie Leo
Great point! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you Tina for giving these 4 babies a life. While these baby's lives are short, they really do touch us teach us a lot. 2 of my 1st FeLV babies were golden girls, too - Hope Miss Gussie. They too died within a short time of each other, but they taught me a lot about this virus made me try to spread the word that these babies can have a life, not matter how short, deserve to be given that opportunity. Thank you again for taking care of these babies! Do you know what happened to the mother? She may very well have the virus is she is still not fixed or is outside, she may be spreading it... Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Victory_Shout victory_sh...@epix.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to the CLS :( I am new to this group, but I did want to send you my condolences. Rest in peace precious Myles. I am Tina. I live in Pa. We had gotten a litter of four female kittens from a family whos add we responded to in the newspaper six months ago. Their kittens needed a home and my mom who is very ill and lives with us needed company. So, knowing that we didn't have the heart to seperate those kittems. We took them all. We homeschool our four kiddos so these fur babies quickly became all of our babies and God bonded our hearts to theirs. We had no idea that they were suffering from feline leukemia when we got them because they looked so healthy. Needless to say... six months later... We laid Ollie to rest four days before Christmas and we just laid Leo to rest two days after New Years. Ollie and Leo were golden in color and we called them the golden girls they were always together and their siblings (who are still with us) are also always together. After Ollies death Leo just was not the same. She became very depressed and just couldn't seem to get over the fact that her sister was gone. We laid Ollie to rest and we put in certain items that she loved and parts of things from us. It is very cold here that when Leo passed just days later my husband offered to dig up Ollie lay Leo and her things that we had for her in the box with Ollie... so that the golden girls would always be together. That is what we did... We are Christians... we know that in the big picture it really wouldn't have mattered if their bodies were laid to rest in the same box or not, but to us it meant the world to know that the golden girls were together forever even in death. We had a beautiful service for them in our back yard. First, Ollie then days later Leo with Ollie. We have your site to thank for the information on feline leukemia and the foods and vitamins that help to sustain life. We will forever be thankful for what these precious kittens have taught us about this horrible sickness. What a true blessing they have been. They taught us strength, love, and commitment. They taught us that love is an action word. Our hearts will forever be bonded with these babies. Whoopie and Jewels our other two calico fur babies (from that sibling group) are still going strong. We remain ever thankful for their continued health. I just had to stop in and say... I am sorry to hear of your loss... and thank you for the information you share... it truly does touch lives... Tina - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to the CLS :( Well we made it a whole 7 days into the new year before losing one of our wonderful Sids kids. Myles was a big gentle sweet lovin black and white boy.He has such a cute white chin.He will be missed at the sanctuary by us allI love you Myles Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to the CLS :(
Tina What a bittersweet story. I lost my little Fletch last fall. He made it a year. I, like you, had no idea he had Felv. It is a horrible, devastating disease. I am so sorry about the loss of Ollie and Leo. I will keep Jewels and Whoopie in my thoughts and hope that they grow strong and stay healthy. You are in the right place. This group of cat lovers is fantastic. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 9, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Victory_Shout victory_sh...@epix.net wrote: I am new to this group, but I did want to send you my condolences. Rest in peace precious Myles. I am Tina. I live in Pa. We had gotten a litter of four female kittens from a family whos add we responded to in the newspaper six months ago. Their kittens needed a home and my mom who is very ill and lives with us needed company. So, knowing that we didn't have the heart to seperate those kittems. We took them all. We homeschool our four kiddos so these fur babies quickly became all of our babies and God bonded our hearts to theirs. We had no idea that they were suffering from feline leukemia when we got them because they looked so healthy. Needless to say... six months later... We laid Ollie to rest four days before Christmas and we just laid Leo to rest two days after New Years. Ollie and Leo were golden in color and we called them the golden girls they were always together and their siblings (who are still with us) are also always together. After Ollies death Leo just was not the same. She became very depressed and just couldn't seem to get over the fact that her sister was gone. We laid Ollie to rest and we put in certain items that she loved and parts of things from us. It is very cold here that when Leo passed just days later my husband offered to dig up Ollie lay Leo and her things that we had for her in the box with Ollie... so that the golden girls would always be together. That is what we did... We are Christians... we know that in the big picture it really wouldn't have mattered if their bodies were laid to rest in the same box or not, but to us it meant the world to know that the golden girls were together forever even in death. We had a beautiful service for them in our back yard. First, Ollie then days later Leo with Ollie. We have your site to thank for the information on feline leukemia and the foods and vitamins that help to sustain life. We will forever be thankful for what these precious kittens have taught us about this horrible sickness. What a true blessing they have been. They taught us strength, love, and commitment. They taught us that love is an action word. Our hearts will forever be bonded with these babies. Whoopie and Jewels our other two calico fur babies (from that sibling group) are still going strong. We remain ever thankful for their continued health. I just had to stop in and say... I am sorry to hear of your loss... and thank you for the information you share... it truly does touch lives... Tina - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to the CLS :( Well we made it a whole 7 days into the new year before losing one of our wonderful Sids kids. Myles was a big gentle sweet lovin black and white boy.He has such a cute white chin.He will be missed at the sanctuary by us allI love you Myles Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to the CLS :(
What a saint you are. I'm so very sorry about Myles. He was lucky to have you. It deeply saddens me every time I hear of another life that is lost. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 7, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: Well we made it a whole 7 days into the new year before losing one of our wonderful Sids kids. Myles was a big gentle sweet lovin black and white boy.He has such a cute white chin.He will be missed at the sanctuary by us allI love you Myles Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
I'm going to look for that website. Knowledge is power, isn't it? That's why I
am here(: the CDC has some info too. I have Dr Don Hamiltons book on
Homeopathy. And a couple other homeopathic books. They all say that the rabies
vaccine lasts for quite a good while, along with paneleukopenia vaccine. It's
all very fascinating, what we are told and what the truth is!
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On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:48 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
Also, there's that group that is doing the research about how long a rabies
vaccine is actually good for. Their website has lots of info too like about
the rodents not carrying rabies and why. It also talks about things like
that the rabies virus can be in an animal's system for months but it's only
contagious at the very last stage when the animal starts going beserk. At
that last stage the animal will die in less than 10 days. That's why if your
dog bites someone they only have a 10 day quarantine period. I learned a lot
from that one website. Wish I could remember the name of the group but I'm
sure if you google rabies it will come up.
From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:26:49 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
Oh, Thank you for the info. I'm going to do some reading on this(-:
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On Jan 5, 2012, at 11:31 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
Sorry, in my haste to write, I made a mistake: I meant VIRGINIA!
They hunters did that in the late 80s, so the big rabies outbreak in the
East happened in the early 90s, almost all the raccoons were killed,
whether
sick or not.
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 12:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
Damn hunters!! That makes me sick. And sooo lame.
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2010.
On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:05 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
The Mid-Atlantic strain of rabies was brought to the East by hunters,
after destroying local raccoons, wanted more raccoons to kill, so they
brought them from Virginal and surrounding states.
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
I just did some reading on rabies and it appears that mice and other
rodents don't carry Rabies. Raccoons foxes and bats look to be the
heaviest carriers. The East coast, for some reason is the largest
region of raccoons carrying rabies!
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On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:48 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
My vet reccommends evey year, but my guys go outside andbecause I
live in
th woods, are exposed to raccoon, possum, mice, fox and othes that can
pass rabbies on. I am in a quandry, sort of dmned if I do and i I don't.
Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
I'm sure the vets make more money by first giving a 1 year vac.
and then giving the 3 year vac a year later.
On 01-04, Maureen Olvey wrote:
I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in
case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies
vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years.
Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see
if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer
than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies.
Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've
been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and
then the next year they get the 3 year one.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
Damn hunters!! That makes me sick. And sooo lame. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:05 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: The Mid-Atlantic strain of rabies was brought to the East by hunters, after destroying local raccoons, wanted more raccoons to kill, so they brought them from Virginal and surrounding states. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine I just did some reading on rabies and it appears that mice and other rodents don't carry Rabies. Raccoons foxes and bats look to be the heaviest carriers. The East coast, for some reason is the largest region of raccoons carrying rabies! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:48 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My vet reccommends evey year, but my guys go outside andbecause I live in th woods, are exposed to raccoon, possum, mice, fox and othes that can pass rabbies on. I am in a quandry, sort of dmned if I do and i I don't. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I'm sure the vets make more money by first giving a 1 year vac. and then giving the 3 year vac a year later. On 01-04, Maureen Olvey wrote: I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
That infuriates me. Such a waste of life! Sometimes I think the wildlife should be armed! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 5, 2012, at 11:31 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry, in my haste to write, I made a mistake: I meant VIRGINIA! They hunters did that in the late 80s, so the big rabies outbreak in the East happened in the early 90s, almost all the raccoons were killed, whether sick or not. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 12:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine Damn hunters!! That makes me sick. And sooo lame. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:05 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: The Mid-Atlantic strain of rabies was brought to the East by hunters, after destroying local raccoons, wanted more raccoons to kill, so they brought them from Virginal and surrounding states. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine I just did some reading on rabies and it appears that mice and other rodents don't carry Rabies. Raccoons foxes and bats look to be the heaviest carriers. The East coast, for some reason is the largest region of raccoons carrying rabies! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:48 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My vet reccommends evey year, but my guys go outside andbecause I live in th woods, are exposed to raccoon, possum, mice, fox and othes that can pass rabbies on. I am in a quandry, sort of dmned if I do and i I don't. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I'm sure the vets make more money by first giving a 1 year vac. and then giving the 3 year vac a year later. On 01-04, Maureen Olvey wrote: I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
Oh, Thank you for the info. I'm going to do some reading on this(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 5, 2012, at 11:31 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry, in my haste to write, I made a mistake: I meant VIRGINIA! They hunters did that in the late 80s, so the big rabies outbreak in the East happened in the early 90s, almost all the raccoons were killed, whether sick or not. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 12:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine Damn hunters!! That makes me sick. And sooo lame. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:05 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: The Mid-Atlantic strain of rabies was brought to the East by hunters, after destroying local raccoons, wanted more raccoons to kill, so they brought them from Virginal and surrounding states. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine I just did some reading on rabies and it appears that mice and other rodents don't carry Rabies. Raccoons foxes and bats look to be the heaviest carriers. The East coast, for some reason is the largest region of raccoons carrying rabies! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:48 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My vet reccommends evey year, but my guys go outside andbecause I live in th woods, are exposed to raccoon, possum, mice, fox and othes that can pass rabbies on. I am in a quandry, sort of dmned if I do and i I don't. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I'm sure the vets make more money by first giving a 1 year vac. and then giving the 3 year vac a year later. On 01-04, Maureen Olvey wrote: I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
yes, i totally agree with you. they should definitelty be stretched out!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:03 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Some jurisdictions accept a vet's letter that an animal is not well enough to receive rabies vaccinations. My vet did this when I had a dog with auto-immune issues. If that doesn't work, the vaccination does not have to be done at the same time as the neuter. My current cats are very health but I stretched their vaccinations and neutering out. More trips to the vet and more expensive but worth it to me. On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Gasper wrote: Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On *Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.nethttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - *From:* dppl dpplhttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dppl1...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten* I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be* *healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him* *neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,* *claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered* *their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience?* *Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give* *vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the* *blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit* *when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.* -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate
Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease
I truly believe that life is precious to every being who is living it, no matter what form that being takes. Kudos to you for saving Ambers life! We have the power to say whether another lives, or doesn't. I am sure that EVERY person on this list treats this responsibility with the utmost seriousness and from what I have read, all here go to every length to fight this terrible disease, and to make sure that their kitties live a comfortable and happy life. With the greatest respect to you all. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: So many cats are put down unecessarily after testing positive on the first test. I went through this with my sweet Calico, Amber. After rescuing her, she tested positive in the vets office and they thought I should end her life. I decided against that had her retested 3 months later. She tested negative and also had a negative IFA test. I've had her 9 months now and she is an 8lb kitty who bullies the three other cats who are twice her size. She likes to have boxing matches with them. They never hurt each other. She just wants to show she is not afraid. LOL. She is so full of energy and very affectionate when she wants to be. I am so glad I waited and did not end the life of this precious animal. Jannes From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease This is what I have read about FeLV as well. L - Original Message - From: GRAS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result in Disease by JaneA Kelley, Cat expert and animal communicator When a cat is exposed to the feline leukemia virus (FeLV), the cat might have a transient infection and fight it off, developing immunity -- some vets say that up to 70 percent of adult cats survive exposure this way. If the cat doesn't overcome the initial infection, the virus will move to the bone marrow and the cat will be persistently infected. And finally, the cat may continue to harbor the virus, thereby becoming a carrier. Many latently infected cats actually become free of the virus after a few years, but others become persistently infected. Cats that test positive should be retested 12 weeks later to confirm the diagnosis. Add a comment | ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Booster
Hi Melody You can purchase the vaccine and give the shots yourself. It is, at least an option for you. There's nothing that beats good veterinary care, but sometimes we have to work our way around it if we are strapped financially. And yes, the best thing to do at this point is to keep her inside. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Dec 6, 2011, at 3:37 AM, Melody Estevez sweetmelody...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everyone.I'm new here and this question is about the Felv vaccine. My cat was tested for feline leukemia and tested negative. On October 16, 2011 she received her Felv#1 vaccine and was due for her booster (Felv#2) three weeks later. Due to financial circumstances I was unable to take her back. I'm still struggling financially so I haven't made an appointment. My question is, how effective is the felv vaccine she did receive? Also, when I take her back will she have to be tested again? My cat is an indoor outdoor cat. Melody ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
I guess I am lucky, my vets, out here in a small Kansas town, don't believe in that at all. They work with them. Take care and good luck with your kitten and Maddie. You are an Angel(-: This list is full of Angels! Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! Marci, Maddie, Charles ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine, a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that is A OK! Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating too but I think I have to in this case. Unless there's someone like Beth that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her out ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten. Appears healthy as a horse. I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the lab) so I know she's positive. I hope she can extinguish the virus but since she's a kitten I'm a little worried. Im going to follow up with an IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus. Back to the point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know. Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you from bringing in a positive kitty. I tested all my cats and kittens and they always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two years old. No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV kitty. The vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you test a kitten and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't had time to show on the snap test. Not a comforting thought I know. Still, I wouldn't vaccinate my cats if I hadn't brought in this FeLV kitten in because like most everyone I hate over-vaccinating. I just knew her first snap test was a false positive so I wanted to give her a shot. But now that she's been here two weeks and is even more healthy I just can't put her down. I'm going to try to adopt her out even though I doubt I'll be successful. But in the meantime she needs to get out of that one room and play. Another interesting fact - a couple years ago I read there was a study done on the rabies vaccine and they found that kittens vaccinated at 12 or 16 weeks old still had immunity 4 years later. And that was just the normal one year rabies vaccine. Crazy huh? I think the American Association of Veterinarians something or another sets the vaccination protocols but they're all vets so of course they're going to recommend vaccinating as much as possible. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:38:18 -0800 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv. Several people I know had the miserable experience of their cat contracting leukemia after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the vaccine was the source of the infection but these cats were not ever outside the house. They were not exposed to any other cats. They may have had the disorder lurking in their bone marrow and the vaccine sensitized them to getting the illness or they may have gotten it from the vaccine. In addition, there's the danger of vaccine-site sarcoma. I have had cats living with me for most of my life. Most of them survive well into what is considered old age for cats - 16 to 20 years. Simply testing cats before adding them to my community assures that they will not be exposed to FeLv. I don't vaccinate, except when I send cats to adoption. FVRCP is required for that. Of course, the rabies vaccine is required by law in most States but other than that, I feel that veterinarians push vaccines for cats for all the wrong reasons. Lee From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvt...@felineleukemia.orgi Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question Why do you feel that your cats need to be vaccinated at all? Are they at risk of exposure? Vaccinate your cats ONLY according to their lifestyles! Remember, even the protocol for
Re: [Felvtalk] Sir Rouncewell Please add to the CLS :*(
That's what I was wondering(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 3, 2011, at 7:40 PM, kat parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I am so sorry to hear this! You go through this so much. Please, may I ask you, what is a Sids kid, besides the obvious of being one of your FeLV+ kitties? -- Forwarded message -- From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Sir Rouncewell Please add to the CLS :*( We lost our Sweet roly poly Rouncey today. He was a Sids kid for 2 years and had such a great purrsonality. When I met him for the first time and he looked at me and brought tears to my eyes(we had just lost Demetri,one of my special Sids boys) Rouncey resembled him and stole my heart.Great tiger boy with white feetI will miss you my sweet Rouncey Pounces. :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New needle-less vaccine for FeLV
I meant to buy it to use ourselves. It sounds like the swine flu vaccine I got in 76?. They did it with a gun like that. Man was I stupid to get that vaccine! Well, young and stupid. I listened to the fear mongers(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 2, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Anne Myles anne.my...@uni.edu wrote: This is the vaccine my C.J. just got in the past month. It's supposed to be about 99% effective according to the literature and much safer in regard to the chance of vaccine-related sarcoma. My understanding is that it's what vets who keep up with the cutting edge are using now. I don't know what you mean about buy it outright ... it requires a special tool called a VetJet to administer -- kind of shoots it through the skin at high velocity with a big pop. It looks like a cordless drill! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Gary All of these meds can be purchased online from revival, valley vet, lambriar vet supply, or Thomas labs themselves who market these to all these outlets. Revival animal health has the best selection of different antibiotics and they send a sheet along that tells how to dilute, store, and administer each antibiotic. Or The Plumb Veterinary Drug Handbook is an awesome book to have around and supplies everything we need to know about dosages for all sorts of animals and also drug interactions. Revival sells 16 oz bottles of sorbital syrup to use as a carrier, but I must say that I like your water and Karo syrup idea(-: Clavamox is just one of those that I don't think we'll ever see labeled for fish or birds unfortunately! Excenel, an injectable cephlasporion works very very well and has been labeled for cats now for several years. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 20, 2011, at 1:23 AM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: Cindy, FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances the amoxicillin. FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. Dosage for cats is 5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day. Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit expensive. The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way ingredients are listed tends to be confusing. Tablets of the same dosage vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been discontinued by every place I know. Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program. You can buy it without a script as Bird Biotic in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is max 4 mg per pound once a day. Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with a liquid for proper dosing. Additionally, doxycycline should never be given to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus. You can use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but it can be frozen for long periods. Doxycycline need not be refrigerated (unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded after 30 days. Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com and http://www.supersavermeds.com/ If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand much cheaper than here. Email me off list and I will put you in contact with him. Please, everyone be sure to know the proper dose for cats for any med you are giving and how to get that dose from the product you have. Gary -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Natalie No, the fish mox is sold in capsule form in 250 mg per cap or 500 mg. You can dilute with water or the recipe Gary has. There is also the sorbitol syrup. If you mix with water than you have to make sure that you shake it very well and even pull back on your syringe a little and shake it in the syringe immediately before you administer it or the powder will be left behind in your syringe. Not all of it but a little. It is 50 mg every 12 hrs for cats. 25mg for teeny kittens. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Question: Is the Fishmox sold in the same form as Amoxi, pink powder, which is really a pediatric formula, packaged for veterinary usethat's why it tastes as it does because it was never reformulated to appeal to an animal's taste. When I get Amoxi in Mexico, the flavor is slightly different, more palatable for cats, however, the Clavamox is more acidic and pineapple flavor than the one here. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Gary All of these meds can be purchased online from revival, valley vet, lambriar vet supply, or Thomas labs themselves who market these to all these outlets. Revival animal health has the best selection of different antibiotics and they send a sheet along that tells how to dilute, store, and administer each antibiotic. Or The Plumb Veterinary Drug Handbook is an awesome book to have around and supplies everything we need to know about dosages for all sorts of animals and also drug interactions. Revival sells 16 oz bottles of sorbital syrup to use as a carrier, but I must say that I like your water and Karo syrup idea(-: Clavamox is just one of those that I don't think we'll ever see labeled for fish or birds unfortunately! Excenel, an injectable cephlasporion works very very well and has been labeled for cats now for several years. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 20, 2011, at 1:23 AM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: Cindy, FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances the amoxicillin. FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. Dosage for cats is 5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day. Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit expensive. The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way ingredients are listed tends to be confusing. Tablets of the same dosage vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been discontinued by every place I know. Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program. You can buy it without a script as Bird Biotic in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is max 4 mg per pound once a day. Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with a liquid for proper dosing. Additionally, doxycycline should never be given to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus. You can use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but it can be frozen for long periods. Doxycycline need not be refrigerated (unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded after 30 days. Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com and http://www.supersavermeds.com/ If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand much cheaper than here. Email me off list and I will put you in contact with him. Please, everyone be sure to know the proper dose for cats for any med you are giving and how to get that dose from the product you have. Gary -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Lorrie, Clavamox and fish mox are the same, both contain amoxicillin, but clavamox contains an extra ingredient, clavulanate potassium. It actually works much better than amoxicillin. Not something that is available OTC like FishMox. If you go to revival animal health they have a whole slew of otc antibiotics by Thomas Labs. They are all human grade simply labeled for fish or birds or whatever(-: Good luck Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Thanks Cindy... I forgot all about FishMox. I ordered some years ago, and need to get a fresh supply. As for Acarexx.. A friend gave me the recipe for this. She rescues wildlife as well as dogs and cats. She buys Ivermectin injectable for cattle and swine. Then she uses two drops mixed with two drops of mineral oil in each ear. She says this works even better than Acarexx. A vet tech gave her this info. On 10-19, Cindy McHugh wrote: Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] King Pl;ease add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry Sherry, you must be very strong, just loving these cats for as long as they are here. I think we all do the best we can while our hearts are breaking. There seems to be quite a few that have passed lately. Makes me so sad. What a horrible, terrible virus. Bless you for doing what you do. Hugs to you Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 18, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: When this handsome gray guy first came to us,he sent one of our volunteers to the hospital after a surprise attackhe almost had to be euthanized for his aggresion,but another one of our volunteers took him home to acclimate him and he blossomed into a pretty sweet guy.So he had a second chance with us and he was a great cat who loved us very much as we did himhe lost his fight yesterday to this awful disease,he was with us at Sids for almost 3 years. RIP Kinger Dingers :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: lease act NOW! Killing of cats in Japan
Where can I go to find out more? OMG! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: CATS! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: lease act NOW! Killing of cats in Japan Natalie, what killing? Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 11, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Killing starts tomorrow. As we know, culling doesn't work on any wildlife, nor would it on cats. Only proper TNR works. So they're wasting their time and money, and killing unnecessarily. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150309285737132set=a.98406502131.102093.684647131type=1theater ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] no regrets after doing this venture!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Horton Please add to the CLS :*(
Sherry, I am so very sorry about Horton. It is so hard to see these beautiful beings devastated by this awful disease. His spirit is free now. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: Yesterday Dr. Jen had to let our sweet big gray guy Horton go. He became a Sids kid about 4 years ago and had escaped when somehow or someone ripped a screen out of a window. We searched the neighborhood day and night for several cats that got out,3 of them were never found and when last year it happened again we actually found Horton after 3 years of being missing !!! So we did have a chance to love him for a year. Now we take more caution on the downstairs windows...we lock and close them at night. Horton you will be missed. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Sick bastards.sorry but that's mild compared to what I'd really like to say. The HSUS does a lot of good work. Maybe someday soon they will tackle this one. My state rep tried to tell me (in a form letter of course) that animals have enough protection. If he's that stupid or thinks I am, then it scares me that he's in the position he's in! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have a video of this, and it’s amazing, when we showed it in a lobby of an auditorium before a vote was taken on hiring these paid guns, very few people wanted to look, and if they did, they said that the deer must be killed, so what difference does it make on how….. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters How horrible. On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Natalie wrote: It’s legal for some, like the hired guns, sharpshooters; they bait the area for weeks before, then come in at night, have bright lights, and all the deer just walk up to the slaughter. If they’re not dead, they put a plastic bag over their heads to finish them off, while they drag them away, still kicking….Or the use a large net that drops on a bunch of deer in a baited area, they really struggle, while they shoot them (not easy to aim well at a thrashing animal!) There’s such great sportsmanship involved, it’s hard to respect or even like these guys! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep people from doing it though. On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell! On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. _ I could never kill a deer. Many deer come to our yard, and they are so beautiful. Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them. It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected. She still comes to our house, and still keeps up with her group. She's an amazing, brave little doe and we call her Tripod. Lorrie Tripod and she in our yard ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
I think it gives them a sick sense of power. Karma karma karma! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 09-15, Natalie wrote: There's something wrong, seriously wrong with people who can't wait to kill an animal. When we see a gorgeous, or ANY animal, we admire them, enjoy looking at them, and always wish that we had a camera handy - for those people it's the exact opposite, anything they see, they immediately want to kill, in order to own? Or what is it? They've gotta be miserable, mentally sick, insecure little creeps to enjoy murdering innocent animals. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell! On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. __**__** _ I could never kill a deer. Many deer come to our yard, and they are so beautiful. Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them. It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected. She still comes to our house, and still keeps up with her group. She's an amazing, brave little doe and we call her Tripod. Lorrie Tripod and she in our yard __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_** felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 10 week old baby with slight positive
You arent kidding when you say there is conflicting info. That is exactly why I got on this list. Everyone on here really cares about cats and the diseases that affect them. You came to the right place. There is a vet online, Mike Richards DVM, who has some pretty good info on FeLV. Try to give the best food you possibly can. Nutrition is extremely important. Take care Marcia On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Anna Yeutter blackbelt.trek...@gmail.comwrote: My previous foster baby (and now adopted baby, after a couple weeks absence) who was found when he was two weeks old in a Costco parking lot and who I bottle fed and fostered from when he was three weeks old, went in for his first vet visit today. The first thing the vet did was do the FeLV/FIV snap combo test after drawing some blood (oh boy Jean-Luc screamed and even growled). He walked back in later and showed me the kit with the blue dot at the top and the slight positive result for FeLV. I made another appointment to bring him in in three weeks to check again, but walked away feeling very negative (the vet made me feel like he was doomed). As of this moment, Jean-Luc has been doing well, gaining weight, playing actively and eating normally. I was going to have my parents bring my 11 year old cat up to live with me as well on Saturday (I'm a college student and just recently moved off campus into a pet-friendly apartment), but of course that has been put on hold. This means Jean-Luc is a very spoiled only-kitten, getting lots of love. I've tried to do some reading but it is so overwhelming and I'm exhausted from reading all the conflicting opinions. I would love to hear from some other people. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
I don't understand what is wrong with some of our fellow human beings. There is a total disregard for life. That just made me sick about the pigeons! Yea, big men aren't they? As bad as canned hunts which absolutely disgust me! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:35 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: So do Canada geese (mate for life). We live on a pond, and they spend a lot of time here. We feed them, so they don’t go on neighbors’ properties, bothering them. We actually recognize them every year because of certain markings, etc. When one loses a mate, they stay alone. I’m not sure if they ever find another life-mate or not. I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest. It was sick. Families having picnics, while their “menfolk” shot at pigeons that had been confined without food and water in dark little traps for days– they were released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly fly up, they were so weak. Then these brave men would take potshots at them. Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields, dying a slow death. Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks, either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a decapitated pigeon at me. We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them humanely. It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty people amusing themselves. Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from THAT! On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com wrote: Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season. We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our fences to retrieve the bloody bodies. One afternoon the shotgun pellets were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff. When he arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!! Go figure! When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on both sides of the road for flocks to fly over. I managed to get to work unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov. annual killing season. Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would admit he fired the blinding shot. Nice, huh? Georgetta ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
You can order Benebac pet gel from the net. They have one for dogs and one for cats now. The cat one does not have lactobacillus in it. Also, New Chapter makes wonderful probiotics. Iherb carries them and a lot of other health food sites. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 12, 2011, at 12:34 AM, ccarlsb...@gmail.com wrote: How and where to get acidophilus for animals?!? I have milk for humans with it...lol Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:04:43 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I have never had good luck with FortiFlora; I think that it's just another way of selling something for more instead of getting it cheaper. With acidophilus, you don't even have to measure out a dosage, whatever you give, will be fine. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I've tried forti flora... Give him half a packet a day, bc he's only 4lbs. No difference. Just started that 4 days ago tho... Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:55:03 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I think probiotics will also help. They will help diarrhea and also will replenish good bacteria in the gut. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 8:09 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 2 weeks. She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works. Better than trying to give her a pill or liqud each day. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months. Not sure though. Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for. I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a solid poop. That could be from anything. So if the Albon doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things. It could be the food, other parasites just so many things. Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated. So make sure it's getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity. If the URI doesn't get better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a stronger antibiotic. I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing else to do. Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea. With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so I don't know about the prognosis. I wouldn't think those things would be too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for sure. If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign. So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never know how long the kitten will live. It seems to be a coin toss. But, there are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive. Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700 From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel. When should I re-test? On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the IFA and Elisa
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from THAT! On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.comwrote: Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season. We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our fences to retrieve the bloody bodies. One afternoon the shotgun pellets were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff. When he arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!! Go figure! When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on both sides of the road for flocks to fly over. I managed to get to work unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov. annual killing season. Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would admit he fired the blinding shot. Nice, huh? Georgetta ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(
Im so sorry Sherry3 Animals have the purest of soulssometimes I just don't understand their deaths! On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: We lost our Sids kid Avery today...He was a beautiful fluffy gray guy with the most beautiful eyes. He will be missed by MANY volunteers. I love you Avery sweet boy. Sherry *We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary* *than our own,* *Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.* *Unable to accept its awful gaps.* *We still would have it no other way* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today
I'm so very sorry Marcia On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:56 PM, czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge. The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes). The local vet was no stranger to her. She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays. Our usual vet was not able to give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing. I came home and let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark. I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning. She lay there awhile and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling her in midafternoon. Mama (no relation to her) washed her last night. Physically, it was time. You had counseled me that I would know. Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem Whoever brought me to the tavern will have to take me home. BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old. Her playmate ToriRose left in February 2010. Isaac left in February 2011. She got really thin last fall and then rebounded. You helped me with her this spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef. She rebounded in July. will leave it there. Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
This man has put a lot of time and effort into this! This is a wonderful heartfelt endeavor. He must really love his cats. They certainly look healthy to me. I applaud him! I may just marry him(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 4:22 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Check out the video in Atia's message. I did and when I was viewing his video, I checked out another from a girl who had pictures that suggested it was not so good. It was good that they get food and have houses to sleep in and it is fenced, but just with a normal cyclone fence that cats and coyotes cold easily get over. And with that many cats and not much help in the caring department, it is hard to see how he could keep up with who is sick,hurt. His video also said he bears most of the cost with some donations to help. I also worry about who will take over when he dies since he doesn't look like a youngster. Does he have provisions for continuing care of the cats. Also, if people take their pets to him expecting them to get the same care they gave them, would they? My guys go outside for 2 or 3 hour in the day but they are inside at night and bad weather days. The are used to sleeping on my memory foam bed and me. I do not think they would be happy there. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I read the woman in CA does have her property fenced in. She doesn't actually have as much acreage as this other guy. She has a staff of like 25 people. I never heard that about the other guy so who knows if his property is fenced in. But it seems like he takes in ferals and homeless cats who have absolutely nowhere else to go so even if it isn't an ideal home situation those cats are a lot better off with him. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:21:51 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) Isn't that in Florida? All little houses; but how does one keep track of them out there, and so many, how can he know who's sick? Don't they get out? Is it all fenced in? I had so many questions when I saw the video Man builds cat-sized village for homeless cats: http://green.yahoo.com/blog/guest_bloggers/69/man-builds-cat-sized-village-for-homeless-cats.html . There's also a woman in CA, I think, who has 600 cats - looks like a great place. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) I could sell my place and move there. I only have 7 cats and if they dn't get alog well with yours, I could build them an outdoor day time house. At night they could sleep in my bedroom like they do now. I wouldn't mind takin on a few more cats. Or waht about this guy in Oregon who bought 600 acres of an old tree farm. He takes in strays, unwanteds and lets the roam the 600 acres. He builds all kinds of houses for them to sleep in and spends the day checking up on them and giving each one some loving. longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals, will be one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just for the he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was nursing back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who did it. People drunk, shooting from the road. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the season. Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice shots. I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my cats. Of course they said they were just kidding and I said that had better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business being vets) because it provides a good income! Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering? Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing. Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue? Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/ On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw. I told him: Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to animals. Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview. And I'd do it again. I think I was about 37 at the time. I've always had a big mouth. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From:Natalie To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
I think probiotics will also help. They will help diarrhea and also will replenish good bacteria in the gut. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 8:09 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 2 weeks. She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works. Better than trying to give her a pill or liqud each day. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months. Not sure though. Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for. I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a solid poop. That could be from anything. So if the Albon doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things. It could be the food, other parasites just so many things. Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated. So make sure it's getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity. If the URI doesn't get better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a stronger antibiotic. I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing else to do. Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea. With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so I don't know about the prognosis. I wouldn't think those things would be too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for sure. If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign. So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never know how long the kitten will live. It seems to be a coin toss. But, there are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive. Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700 From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel. When should I re-test? On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the IFA and Elisa. It has been 1 year for Nitnoy and over 3 for Annie. Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because you can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv. All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!! Just think what that would look like all compiled together. On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote: You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed! There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results. Life and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky. My own Tucson tested neg at about 3 months post years later even though she’d never been exposed to the outside or any pos cats….. ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats ** ** I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/* *** ** ** -- *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative. New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive. He had
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
Hi there Van Beek makes a product called, appropriately, Diarrhea Control Gel. Worked overtime I used it. Within 24 hours. Sent from rmy iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 8:16 PM, ccarlsb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the info. Now he is only on Clavamox (.3ml 2x a day) and sneezing is way better when he takes it. Nothing helping diarrhea tho. :( his disposition is great: eats a ton and is super playful. He's growing as well. I have him with a foster til his 13 week ELISA test again. I want IFA again too.. Considering all the false +s I hear of. Still very young to know for sure tho... Either way, he needs a new home come october. :( Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:09:45 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 2 weeks. She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works. Better than trying to give her a pill or liqud each day. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months. Not sure though. Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for. I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a solid poop. That could be from anything. So if the Albon doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things. It could be the food, other parasites just so many things. Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated. So make sure it's getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity. If the URI doesn't get better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a stronger antibiotic. I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing else to do. Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea. With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so I don't know about the prognosis. I wouldn't think those things would be too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for sure. If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign. So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never know how long the kitten will live. It seems to be a coin toss. But, there are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive. Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700 From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel. When should I re-test? On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the IFA and Elisa. It has been 1 year for Nitnoy and over 3 for Annie. Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because you can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv. All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!! Just think what that would look like all compiled together. On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote: You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed! There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results. Life and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky. My own Tucson tested neg at about 3 months post years later even though she’d never been exposed to the outside or any pos cats….. ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hemy has a home
Yes, I agree with Lynda, you gave her the greatest gift. Sent from my iPad On Sep 5, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: My condolences to you. So sorry to hear about your dear Aunt. I'm glad though that she could be in peace knowing you were taking such great care of her babies. Lynda - Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 12:31 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Hemy has a home Just an update on that little “feral” cat I took from my dear aunt’s house…. After going to Forgotten Felines for spay (already spayed), partial tail amputation and general health check, “Hemy” lived in a pen on my deck for nearly a month. I would get my upper body in the pen and we would have a ‘love fest’ of petting, purring, head-butting and cuddling. Clearly: not a feral cat. So I left the pen door open yesterday. She sniffed all around the yard, circled several times, returned to the pen to eat and sleep in her favorite bed. I called FF about finding her a home, but I think this is her home, and I’m her person. I love this little cat. I suspect she has some health issues, but I’m delighted to give her a home and in return have her friendship. By the way, my dear aunt passed away on Aug. 24. I visited her the evening before and she said then the same thing she said every time I saw her: “I’m so GLAD you have the cats.” Then she’d ask about them and I’d tell her how each one was doing and how wonderful they are. It was obviously important to her that her animals were being cared for, and I think the fact that it was me (‘in the family’ and a known cat lover) helped. I’m happy that my taking her cats made her happy and gave her a little peace in her time of transition. ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more
People don't understand and some just plain do not care, sadly. Sent from my iPad On Sep 5, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That’s exactly what I have found – they just ignore everything. I had to be a policeman, constantly running to the door when I heard it open – I was a bundle of nerves for about 8-9 months when we had an addition done to the house. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more FYI: I have left cats behind locked doors with signs and promises as to what would happen if any one let a cat outI have had people, especially construction and cleaning people, find a way to unlock the door and totally disregard what they were toldwe had to...we were watching...we caught him. The worst offenders have been people who have been compliant for months then decide they know more than I do about my cats. The more I have trusted workers the more they have endangered my critters. On Sep 5, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Natalie wrote: When and why was your door left open door open? If we had to leave this house, we wouldn’t allow anyone to leave doors open, should they have to work in there! I threaten workers with a penalty worse than death, should they allow any cat to get out. If doors were left open around here, believe me, they’d run out spooked….,and I’d have to track them down, some would have to be trapped - it would be a nightmare! Don’t even want to think about that. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of CATHERINE DIDONNA Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more last week,or the week before,the same day as the earthquake in NY.I had a gas pipe break on my street . The fireman knocked on everyones door:we had to leave our homes.I didn't want to leave my cats. He said I had to get out. He also said no cats got out when the door was open. I left my house,blessed myelf,and askedGod to let me be OK,and let the house be OK:so I could take care of my furry family. I have more than 30 cats.But, anyway, I wish I was in jamies,or a gown. If yousaw the N Y firemen you would understand.SMILE --- On Mon, 9/5/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 1:35 AM Biotin? I take it myself and get it at Walmart. Same thing? On 9/4/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: True - that was my worst worry, that windows might be smashed and cats could get out.. I slept dressed that one night, because I wanted to be ready should anything happen.can you imagine being caught in an emergency in a night gown or jammies? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more Natalie I am glad you and yours are OK! I'll bet you were extra worried just because of the little lives that are in your hands. I know that when we are in a tornado warning or anything that could affect my animals, that's all I can focus on , is keeping them safe! So glad you are OK(-: Marcia On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I also use, and must reorder some Biotin from Nickers International. It's a great supplement that contains the right amount of B12, and more, and cats like it mixed into their food. http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016 http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016Sh ow=ExtInfo Sho w=ExtInfo Description/Instructions/Ingredients Nutritional supplement rich in biotin (6 mg per tsp), an essential B vitamin and nutritional enzyme for the synthesis of fatty acids - important building blocks for skin and coat. Biotin helps metabolize carbohydrates and proteins, maximizing the nutritional value of your pet's diet. Pet owners feed biotin for dry skin, constant scratching and dull thinning coat. A safe, economical and effective alternative to prednisone and antihistamines. Makes your pet look and feel the way nature intended! Great tasting and easy to feed. No artificial colors, flavors or preservatives. Feed every day. Sprinkle on food or mix into food. The enclosed 1/4 teaspoon contains 1.5 mg (1500mcg) of biotin. Dogs under 30 lbs. and all cats: 1/4 teaspoon each day. Dogs over 30 lbs: 1/4 teaspoon for every 30 lbs. of body
[Felvtalk] Fletch
Update and more questions. Yesterday Fletch ate very well and ate quite a few treats too. He got up and walked around the kitchen for quite awhile. I was so hopeful that maybe he was over the hump. Wrong. This morning he refused to eat or drink and hasn't done so all day. I hav given him some electrolytes 3 times today. He didn't like that a bit. He had very watery poop with hard chunks in it. That happened twice. Once on the couch, which I have plastic on under his blankets, and then another time I ran him to the litterbox. His fever is back..I'm sure the aspirin wore off and he doesn't feel good at all. Is this how this disease is all the time? Is this what his life is gonna be like from now on? Because if it is, I can't see making him go through this. I don't think he enjoys any part of this. Maybe he ate too much yesterday, I don't know. Do they go thru this and then get better. Any insight will be appreciated. Where does the fever come from? Thanks guys, I sure do appreciate each and every one of you. Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hemy has a home
You're wonderful... Sent from my iPad On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Just an update on that little “feral” cat I took from my dear aunt’s house…. After going to Forgotten Felines for spay (already spayed), partial tail amputation and general health check, “Hemy” lived in a pen on my deck for nearly a month. I would get my upper body in the pen and we would have a ‘love fest’ of petting, purring, head-butting and cuddling. Clearly: not a feral cat. So I left the pen door open yesterday. She sniffed all around the yard, circled several times, returned to the pen to eat and sleep in her favorite bed. I called FF about finding her a home, but I think this is her home, and I’m her person. I love this little cat. I suspect she has some health issues, but I’m delighted to give her a home and in return have her friendship. By the way, my dear aunt passed away on Aug. 24. I visited her the evening before and she said then the same thing she said every time I saw her: “I’m so GLAD you have the cats.” Then she’d ask about them and I’d tell her how each one was doing and how wonderful they are. It was obviously important to her that her animals were being cared for, and I think the fact that it was me (‘in the family’ and a known cat lover) helped. I’m happy that my taking her cats made her happy and gave her a little peace in her time of transition. ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more
Natalie I am glad you and yours are OK! I'll bet you were extra worried just because of the little lives that are in your hands. I know that when we are in a tornado warning or anything that could affect my animals, that's all I can focus on , is keeping them safe! So glad you are OK(-: Marcia On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I also use, and must reorder some Biotin from Nickers International. It's a great supplement that contains the right amount of B12, and more, and cats like it mixed into their food. http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016Sho w=ExtInfo Description/Instructions/Ingredients Nutritional supplement rich in biotin (6 mg per tsp), an essential B vitamin and nutritional enzyme for the synthesis of fatty acids - important building blocks for skin and coat. Biotin helps metabolize carbohydrates and proteins, maximizing the nutritional value of your pet's diet. Pet owners feed biotin for dry skin, constant scratching and dull thinning coat. A safe, economical and effective alternative to prednisone and antihistamines. Makes your pet look and feel the way nature intended! Great tasting and easy to feed. No artificial colors, flavors or preservatives. Feed every day. Sprinkle on food or mix into food. The enclosed 1/4 teaspoon contains 1.5 mg (1500mcg) of biotin. Dogs under 30 lbs. and all cats: 1/4 teaspoon each day. Dogs over 30 lbs: 1/4 teaspoon for every 30 lbs. of body weight each day. A double lever may be safely given to pregnant and lactating pets. Best when used with tender loving care! Ingredients: Primary dried yeast, biotin, malto dextrin. Guaranteed Analysis per ounce: Crude Protein 42 % (Min) Crude Fat.. 4 % (Min) Crude FIber.. 4 % (Max) Moisture...4 % (Max) Ash... 4 % (Max) Calcium. 0.05 % (Min) 0.07 % (Max) Phosphorus... 0.87 % (Min) Salt... 0.027 % (Min) 0.033 % (Max) Minerals (Min): Potassium: 1.78 % Magnesium:0.12 % Zinc: 5 mg Iron: 1 mg Copper: 2 mg Manganese:0.2 mg Selenium:0.03 mg Vitamins (Min): B12: 0.02 mcg Inositol: 119 mg Choline: 101 mg Biotin: 58 mg Niacin: 10 mg Thiamine (B1): 2.25 mg Panthotenic Acid: 1.6 mg Riboflavin (B2): 1.06 mg P-Amino Benzoic Acid: 1 mg B6: 1 mg Folic Acid: 0.35 mg Features Helpful effective for: dry skin, constant scratching, dull thin coat, excessive shedding. Contains biotin and essential fatty acids plus a wide spectrum of vitamins and minerals. Contains no artificial flavors, colors or preservatives. Each scoop contains 1.5 mg (1500 mcg) of Biotin. Feed 1/4 teaspoon (scoop provided) per 30 lbs of weight. 4-8 months' supply for pets under 30 lbs. Recommended for biotin deficiencies which may cause: Dry, Itchy , Scaly Skin Seborrheic Dermatitis Eczema Military Eczema in Cats Alopecia (Loss of Hair) Poor Coat Color and Coat Quality Cracked or Tender Pads Infected Toe Nails Stiffness in Aged Dogs and Cats Hindquarter Weakness Loss of Appetite Stress in Pregnancy and lactation ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Natalie....
Hi guys! Just wanted to let you know that the aspirin really helped! It took his fever down and he actually walked from the litter box and got on the couch by himself, I have e also been feeding him some canned food with water mixed in about every two hours. He never turns it down. His coat looks 100% better today too. I know this can change but I'm happy that he is feeling better today. Maybe this little boost will be enough to get him going on the right track. I wish I could send you a picture of what he looked like yesterday but don't know if it's ok to do that. Thanks for being here.(-: Take care everyone Marcia Sent from my iPad On Sep 4, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Oh Natalie, I'm glad that you are safe and that you are back with us. I've been wondering about you. I hope everything can back as close to normal as possible, and soon! Lynda - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hi, everyone - I am back! Irene really socked it to us - no power from Sunday 3 AM until Thursday afternoon and cable only yesterday afternoon...and without cable, we had no telephones! Now I'm going through a week's worth of mail, which is quite a daunting enterprise! I hope that everyone else who was in Irene's path is OK! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 5:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI OK Thanks - yup I like Twinlab. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Marcia wrote: Super b complex by twinlab. I ordered from amazon. U can get a twinpack. Gmc also makes liquid b's with more b12 but not as wide a spectrum of the different b's. I just give the b12 separate. Cat dose is 1/10 of human dose. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Which liquid human B's? I might like to get some - like from the drug store, etc? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Marcia wrote: Gloria I got on a CRf site that I've used and they recommended human b's. So I am giving him liquid b complex and also the methyl b 12 since the bcomplex isn't high in b12. I also ordered wellness canned food. He has eaten twice today. I mix it with water for fluids. But I do have to stick it under his nose and hold the bowl for him (and I don't mind). (-: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Hmmm. Think blood work would add some insight into things like potassium, blood counts. Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his gums are pink. Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's assuming pain? How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins possibly? Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week. Thanks you guys for listening(-: Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow the inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with this stuff. Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and will give you all the info you need. -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone I really need some help. fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I do Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK? Thanks so much Marcia On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Where do you guys get LTCI? the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the best place to get LTCI? hideyo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic. His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't hurt! She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a week. Thanks you guys for listening(-: Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: I was thinking about that. I haven't been following all of this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long time ago). Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :) You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home. My vet said that we could do a couple of blood transfusions, ,but that no more than that. Not sure why - for biological reasons or practical reasons. but a transfusion might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or something. Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega. Gloria On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Marcia, Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI? Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts are? He may have not cried all the way there because he is too weak. I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!! In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want the poor little guy to suffer. Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Hi everyone I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the experts? (all of you)(-: Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow the inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with this stuff. Please
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Hideyo Did you get that with or without a prescription? And how often do you use it and for how long? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 3:49 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow the inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with this stuff. Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and will give you all the info you need. -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone I really need some help. fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I do Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK? Thanks so much Marcia On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Where do you guys get LTCI? the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the best place to get LTCI? hideyo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
I know what you're saying. We run our own business and didn't have any work last year. Just starting to get a little work now. I have to put my vet bills on credit cards, and I hate that. Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial? I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it. Thanks Kat On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor. From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow the inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with this stuff. Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and will give you all the info you need. -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone I really need some help. fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I do Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK? Thanks so much Marcia On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Where do you guys get LTCI? the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the best place to get LTCI? hideyo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Hi everyone I really need some help. fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I do Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK? Thanks so much Marcia On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.comwrote: Where do you guys get LTCI? the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the best place to get LTCI? hideyo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
