Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

[dlgegg]

tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY AND WINDY.  
HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE DOOR, THE WIND HITS 
HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO 
CHASE.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> 
> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
> 
> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
> 
> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the average
> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
> 
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
> > Hi Bob
> > 
> > I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
> > posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
> > haven't received any emails in weeks.
> > 
> > Amani
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

[Lorrie]

I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
I hope this means all our cats are doing well.

BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.

I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the average
person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.


Lorrie

On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
> Hi Bob
> 
> I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
> posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
> haven't received any emails in weeks.
> 
> Amani

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Bob

I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I posted in 
reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't received any emails 
in weeks.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group  I've gotten 
nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of messages..ALL of which I 
have received multiple times before.
Has there been other information going back and forth for the past couple of 
weeks??


HOWEVER:  In relation to FIV...   it has clearly NOT been our experience at the 
shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near as deadly as FELV and we 
don't ever suggest that it is to potential adopters...
Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't even get 
the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the beginning of Winter 
I've been volunteering there for 4 years and have seen only one of our FIV's 
die and that from the scourge of FIV's ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) 
thankfully it did not claim any others ( until months later when a couple of 
FeLV residents died)... but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite 
healthy  Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting 
an FIV over an FeLV Kitty
QUESTION:

 --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +
> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
> [Felvtalk] Question
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for 
> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary 
> arsenal to combat it.
>
> Amani


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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group  I've 
gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of messages..ALL 
of which I have received multiple times before.
Has there been other information going back and forth for the past 
couple of weeks??



HOWEVER:  In relation to FIV...   it has clearly NOT been our experience 
at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near as deadly as 
FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential adopters...
Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't 
even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the beginning 
of Winter I've been volunteering there for 4 years and have seen 
only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of FIV's ( Feline 
Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any others ( until 
months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)... but, in general, 
our FIV's have remained quite healthy  Personally, I would be FAR 
more confident of the future adopting an FIV over an FeLV Kitty

QUESTION:

 --


Message: 1
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +
From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] Question

Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for 
afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary 
arsenal to combat it.


Amani



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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FeLV Kitty

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

There are some who believe that Older Cats that have intact immune 
systems are not terribly prone to contracting the Virus  It's a 
difficult call  My somewhat educated guess is that an older cat 
would do OK ( If you consider that many Feral Colonies exist for years 
with most of the cats intact and the odds are relatively high that at 
least a couple in any given colony are FeLV+  I'd be inclined toward 
integrating him or giving him the company of one or another of your cats 
on a rotating basis.    As others have said it's what you are 
comfortable with   I hate seeing animals without playmates...   I 
have two FeLV's and got two SO each would have a playmate...  
Unforunately, one of my boys is Chronically ill and acts far more like a 
geriatric cat and is not able TO be a playmate to my very active one 
I feel badly for both of them and may yet bring a third FeLV into the 
house ( though I would surely Foster this time)..

It is very good of you to look after this boy


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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 01:02:58 -0500
From: Sue Freeman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] My FIV/Felv cat
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I am new to this group, but not to FIV/Felv. I rescued a sweet 
guy, that personally I think was dumped in my neighborhood. He started 
coming around my home and tried to make it his home, but then he 
stopped coming around. I could only imagine what could have happened 
to him. About a year later he showed up! I was now volunteering with a 
local rescue group and they helped me to trap him and get him fixed. 
We actually had someone that wanted to adopt him, but unfortunately 
when he tested positive they backed out. I felt so bad for him, as he 
was the sweetest fellow. I was planning on sending him to a sanctuary, 
but my husband wanted to try some natural remedies that he had heard 
had amazing effects. They ended up not doing what we had hoped, but in 
the mean time, I had become very attached and felt it wouldn?t benefit 
neither him nor myself to send him away. so, we built him and outdoor 
enclosure that he can go in and out of through the window in his own 
room in the bac
 k of my home. I have other cats, so he had to be isolated. =(  He 
does get company throughout the day between myself and my older son, 
who does his school work on the computer, located in Butch?s room. 
Between the two of us, it sometimes gets to be long nights, so that he 
doesn?t have to be alone for too long.


	I have had Butch now, for almost two years. We think he?s about 4-5 
years old. We have been through the removal of most of his teeth and 
the removal of a small tumor on his foot. He has a great appetite, 
went from 9-14lbs, everything still works. If not for his status, he 
is a very healthy guy. My Vet still doesn?t understand why he is still 
with us. I honestly didn?t think he would be here this long either, 
which brings me to my problem. As much as I try to keep him company, 
he is pretty lonely. I try to play as much as I can with him. Red 
lazor lights, stuffed toys on strings etc? He has a cat tree and other 
places to perch on and in. He has his 8x8 outdoor enclosure with a 
motion light for when he goes outside, but its getting colder out and 
he doesn?t stay out there too long anymore, especially at night, which 
is when I get the most guilty for leaving him alone, but I have to 
sleep sometime. Plus, like I said, I have other kitties that look for 
my attention too. =/



	Does anyone have any suggestions of how I can make his life here not 
so boring? I can?t get another cat with the same status, even though 
that would be golden, but I?d just end up in the same situation when 
one of them passes away. He would love another kitty, which is why he 
came around in the first place, but its not realistic. So any help 
would be great. Also, I was reading a couple of threads about a 
steriod. Does this make it possible for FIV/Felv cats to interact with 
healthy cats? Or does it help in reversing their status? Any info on 
that too would be appreciated.
	Please know, I realize 

Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups

[dlgegg]

I agree.  Annie showed signs and tested positive only when she lost her person 
to cancer and there were so many chages in her life.  Now, She is becoming 
clamer, not looking over her back all the time and even shares my bed with the 
others.

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
> That stress thing I believe is a big factor. Tigger, who apparently had FeLV 
> since he was a kitten, was living a healthy life as an indoor-only cat, and 
> the only other cat I had indoors with him was an old-lady cat named Peekers. 
> They got along great, slept together, ate together, etc. I was unaware that 
> Tigger had FeLV since I had him tested when I found him. Then in November of 
> 2014 I brought in a stray female who was well behaved at first, but then 
> became jealous of the attention I gave Tigger and she would run up behind him 
> and bite him hard. Tigger was stressed out about it and was always looking 
> over his shoulder, wondering when she would bite him next. I believe that is 
> what caused his last FeLV crisis which began in September of 2015. 
> 
>  
> 
> I have since adopted a one year old female named Topaz, and she came from a 
> shelter through a pet store. They told me she is spayed, wormed and has had 
> all her shots. I asked about testing/vaccinating for FeLV, and they said 
> “FeLV is a crapshoot”. They said the testing is not reliable and the 
> vaccination is often not effective. My vet told me this before that. But the 
> manager of the pet store also said once you vaccinate a cat for FeLV, they 
> will always test positive….does anyone know if this is true or not?
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you!!
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Amani Oakley
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:22 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups
> 
>  
> 
> That is very good to know. My experience with FIV has not been good, except 
> for the last little girl I took from the feral colony and treated with 
> Winstrol. She seems fine (great coat now, good size, very playful, etc.) but 
> she still has sounds like she has water on her lungs, though the lungs are 
> clear on xray – I presume the fluid accumulation is still around the lungs.
> 
>  
> 
> I am glad to hear that FIV cats can live a long time.
> 
>  
> 
> Amani
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
> Sent: May-25-16 11:57 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups
> 
>  
> 
> Hi, FIV is not the horrid disease that some people think it is. I'm glad the 
> shelter allowed you to adopt these cats. The main thing is that they live 
> stress-free and have good food, clean water and plenty of love. I did FIV 
> rescue for many years. Most of the cats lived to be 14 to  16 years old 
> without any major illness and passed from kidney failure and old age. The 
> best FIV group is the FIV2 group, if it still exists. I still have one FIV+ 
> cat who was slated for death at the Humane Society 12 years ago but the 
> adoption coordinator knew I was aware that these cats could live long, 
> healthy lives so she called me and we traded one of my adoptable foster cats 
> for the FIV cat she had at the shelter. As long as your cats are neutered or 
> spayed they won't pass on the disease, even if they live with cats that do 
> not have it. FIV is passed on from deep bites during mating and fighting 
> during mating so you really do not have to keep fixed cats separate. Good 
> luck with your two fur kids.
> 
> On May 24, 2016 4:58 PM, Christine Dundas <christinedun...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:christinedun...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> Check Yahoo groups.  They have groups for FIV.
> 
> On May 24, 2016 3:26 PM, "barbe berbes" <berbe...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:berbe...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> Both of my babies have FIV, both adopted from shelter. Does anyone know of a 
> support group I can join to better helpe to help keep my little one healthy 
> as Iong as possible? I know very little about FIV and this group doesn't 
> address their issues directly. Thank you for any help and/or advice!!!
> 
> On May 24, 2016 2:17 PM, "Roxanne Smith" <rescuek9li...@sbcglobal.net 
> <mailto:rescuek9li...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
> 
> I live in Milwaukee and know several good holistic vets
> 
> Dr Heidi Meier out of Community Vet Clinic
> 
> and Dr. Ali Troutman, I think her clinic is Integrated Vet Clinic
> 
> Both are nice vets--I like them both
> 
> I use Dr Meier for foster car

Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks Lorrie.

Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 8:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups


It is the vaccination for FIV, not FelV, that causes a cat to test positive
for FIV, and you are certainly right about the tests for FelV being a
crapshoot.

Lorrie


On 05-31, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>That stress thing I believe is a big factor. Tigger, who apparently had
>FeLV since he was a kitten, was living a healthy life as an indoor-only
>cat, and the only other cat I had indoors with him was an old-lady cat
>named Peekers. They got along great, slept together, ate together, etc.
>I was unaware that Tigger had FeLV since I had him tested when I found
>him. Then in November of 2014 I brought in a stray female who was well
>behaved at first, but then became jealous of the attention I gave
>Tigger and she would run up behind him and bite him hard. Tigger was
>stressed out about it and was always looking over his shoulder,
>wondering when she would bite him next. I believe that is what caused
>his last FeLV crisis which began in September of 2015.
> 
> 
>I have since adopted a one year old female named Topaz, and she came
>from a shelter through a pet store. They told me she is spayed, wormed
>and has had all her shots. I asked about testing/vaccinating for FeLV,
>and they said "FeLV is a crapshoot". They said the testing is not
>reliable and the vaccination is often not effective. My vet told me
>this before that. But the manager of the pet store also said once you
>vaccinate a cat for FeLV, they will always test positivedoes anyone
>know if this is true or not?
> 
> 
>Thank you!!
> 
>Ardy

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups

[Lorrie]

It is the vaccination for FIV, not FelV, that causes a cat to test
positive for FIV, and you are certainly right about the tests for
FelV being a crapshoot.

Lorrie


On 05-31, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>That stress thing I believe is a big factor. Tigger, who apparently had
>FeLV since he was a kitten, was living a healthy life as an indoor-only
>cat, and the only other cat I had indoors with him was an old-lady cat
>named Peekers. They got along great, slept together, ate together, etc.
>I was unaware that Tigger had FeLV since I had him tested when I found
>him. Then in November of 2014 I brought in a stray female who was well
>behaved at first, but then became jealous of the attention I gave
>Tigger and she would run up behind him and bite him hard. Tigger was
>stressed out about it and was always looking over his shoulder,
>wondering when she would bite him next. I believe that is what caused
>his last FeLV crisis which began in September of 2015.
> 
> 
>I have since adopted a one year old female named Topaz, and she came
>from a shelter through a pet store. They told me she is spayed, wormed
>and has had all her shots. I asked about testing/vaccinating for FeLV,
>and they said "FeLV is a crapshoot". They said the testing is not
>reliable and the vaccination is often not effective. My vet told me
>this before that. But the manager of the pet store also said once you
>vaccinate a cat for FeLV, they will always test positivedoes anyone
>know if this is true or not?
> 
> 
>Thank you!!
> 
>Ardy

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups

[Ardy Robertson]

That stress thing I believe is a big factor. Tigger, who apparently had FeLV 
since he was a kitten, was living a healthy life as an indoor-only cat, and the 
only other cat I had indoors with him was an old-lady cat named Peekers. They 
got along great, slept together, ate together, etc. I was unaware that Tigger 
had FeLV since I had him tested when I found him. Then in November of 2014 I 
brought in a stray female who was well behaved at first, but then became 
jealous of the attention I gave Tigger and she would run up behind him and bite 
him hard. Tigger was stressed out about it and was always looking over his 
shoulder, wondering when she would bite him next. I believe that is what caused 
his last FeLV crisis which began in September of 2015. 

 

I have since adopted a one year old female named Topaz, and she came from a 
shelter through a pet store. They told me she is spayed, wormed and has had all 
her shots. I asked about testing/vaccinating for FeLV, and they said “FeLV is a 
crapshoot”. They said the testing is not reliable and the vaccination is often 
not effective. My vet told me this before that. But the manager of the pet 
store also said once you vaccinate a cat for FeLV, they will always test 
positive….does anyone know if this is true or not?

 

Thank you!!

Ardy

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups

 

That is very good to know. My experience with FIV has not been good, except for 
the last little girl I took from the feral colony and treated with Winstrol. 
She seems fine (great coat now, good size, very playful, etc.) but she still 
has sounds like she has water on her lungs, though the lungs are clear on xray 
– I presume the fluid accumulation is still around the lungs.

 

I am glad to hear that FIV cats can live a long time.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: May-25-16 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups

 

Hi, FIV is not the horrid disease that some people think it is. I'm glad the 
shelter allowed you to adopt these cats. The main thing is that they live 
stress-free and have good food, clean water and plenty of love. I did FIV 
rescue for many years. Most of the cats lived to be 14 to  16 years old without 
any major illness and passed from kidney failure and old age. The best FIV 
group is the FIV2 group, if it still exists. I still have one FIV+ cat who was 
slated for death at the Humane Society 12 years ago but the adoption 
coordinator knew I was aware that these cats could live long, healthy lives so 
she called me and we traded one of my adoptable foster cats for the FIV cat she 
had at the shelter. As long as your cats are neutered or spayed they won't pass 
on the disease, even if they live with cats that do not have it. FIV is passed 
on from deep bites during mating and fighting during mating so you really do 
not have to keep fixed cats separate. Good luck with your two fur kids.

On May 24, 2016 4:58 PM, Christine Dundas <christinedun...@gmail.com 
<mailto:christinedun...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Check Yahoo groups.  They have groups for FIV.

On May 24, 2016 3:26 PM, "barbe berbes" <berbe...@gmail.com 
<mailto:berbe...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Both of my babies have FIV, both adopted from shelter. Does anyone know of a 
support group I can join to better helpe to help keep my little one healthy as 
Iong as possible? I know very little about FIV and this group doesn't address 
their issues directly. Thank you for any help and/or advice!!!

On May 24, 2016 2:17 PM, "Roxanne Smith" <rescuek9li...@sbcglobal.net 
<mailto:rescuek9li...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

I live in Milwaukee and know several good holistic vets

Dr Heidi Meier out of Community Vet Clinic

and Dr. Ali Troutman, I think her clinic is Integrated Vet Clinic

Both are nice vets--I like them both

I use Dr Meier for foster care

and I have been to Dr Ali for several of my own very sick animals. Both are 
sweet vets.

 

 

  _  

From: swacht <swacht1...@comcast.net <mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net> >
To: felineres...@frontier.com <mailto:felineres...@frontier.com> ; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:33 PM


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol


There was someone who lives in the Milwaukee, WI area looking for a Holistic 
Vet - I have nieces who live in Madison, WI who found one there
Full Circle Veterinary
Holistic Veterinary Care

I don't remember who and there are so many posts to go through

Sandy W

-Original Message- 
From: Lorrie
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 5:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukem

Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups

[Amani Oakley]

That is very good to know. My experience with FIV has not been good, except for 
the last little girl I took from the feral colony and treated with Winstrol. 
She seems fine (great coat now, good size, very playful, etc.) but she still 
has sounds like she has water on her lungs, though the lungs are clear on xray 
– I presume the fluid accumulation is still around the lungs.

I am glad to hear that FIV cats can live a long time.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: May-25-16 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups


Hi, FIV is not the horrid disease that some people think it is. I'm glad the 
shelter allowed you to adopt these cats. The main thing is that they live 
stress-free and have good food, clean water and plenty of love. I did FIV 
rescue for many years. Most of the cats lived to be 14 to  16 years old without 
any major illness and passed from kidney failure and old age. The best FIV 
group is the FIV2 group, if it still exists. I still have one FIV+ cat who was 
slated for death at the Humane Society 12 years ago but the adoption 
coordinator knew I was aware that these cats could live long, healthy lives so 
she called me and we traded one of my adoptable foster cats for the FIV cat she 
had at the shelter. As long as your cats are neutered or spayed they won't pass 
on the disease, even if they live with cats that do not have it. FIV is passed 
on from deep bites during mating and fighting during mating so you really do 
not have to keep fixed cats separate. Good luck with your two fur kids.
On May 24, 2016 4:58 PM, Christine Dundas 
<christinedun...@gmail.com<mailto:christinedun...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Check Yahoo groups.  They have groups for FIV.
On May 24, 2016 3:26 PM, "barbe berbes" 
<berbe...@gmail.com<mailto:berbe...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Both of my babies have FIV, both adopted from shelter. Does anyone know of a 
support group I can join to better helpe to help keep my little one healthy as 
Iong as possible? I know very little about FIV and this group doesn't address 
their issues directly. Thank you for any help and/or advice!!!
On May 24, 2016 2:17 PM, "Roxanne Smith" 
<rescuek9li...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:rescuek9li...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
I live in Milwaukee and know several good holistic vets
Dr Heidi Meier out of Community Vet Clinic
and Dr. Ali Troutman, I think her clinic is Integrated Vet Clinic
Both are nice vets--I like them both
I use Dr Meier for foster care
and I have been to Dr Ali for several of my own very sick animals. Both are 
sweet vets.



From: swacht <swacht1...@comcast.net<mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>>
To: felineres...@frontier.com<mailto:felineres...@frontier.com>; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol

There was someone who lives in the Milwaukee, WI area looking for a Holistic
Vet - I have nieces who live in Madison, WI who found one there
Full Circle Veterinary
Holistic Veterinary Care

I don't remember who and there are so many posts to go through

Sandy W

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From: Lorrie
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 5:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol

Thank you very much Ardy.  Now to get my vet to comply.

Lorrie
-

On 05-19, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> Hi Lorrie,
>
> I found Winstrol (Stanozolol) at a compounding pharmacy called Diamond
> Back
> Drugs in Arizona. They offered it in other forms besides liquid, I can't
> remember all of them so they might have it in pill form. I bought it in
> liquid because that was easier for me to give to Tigger and he liked the
> salmon flavor. I would let him smell the syringe before I gave it and he
> did
> not try to avoid it. The company's website is
> http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/   and their phone number is
> 866-578-4420.
>
> I found them to be very good to work with, very efficient and also caring.
> The company seems large, but they take time to talk with you individually
> also. The vet had to fill out the prescription online, or fax it to them.
> Then they would call me to verify the address, and for me to give them
> payment by credit card. I paid $42 for a 25 day supply.
>
> Hope this helps. If they do not have pill form, you might be able to find
> other sources by googling "compounding pharmacy veterinarian".
> Ardy
>
>

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups

[Lee]

Hi, FIV is not the horrid disease that some people think it is. I'm glad the shelter allowed you to adopt these cats. The main thing is that they live stress-free and have good food, clean water and plenty of love. I did FIV rescue for many years. Most of the cats lived to be 14 to  16 years old without any major illness and passed from kidney failure and old age. The best FIV group is the FIV2 group, if it still exists. I still have one FIV+ cat who was slated for death at the Humane Society 12 years ago but the adoption coordinator knew I was aware that these cats could live long, healthy lives so she called me and we traded one of my adoptable foster cats for the FIV cat she had at the shelter. As long as your cats are neutered or spayed they won't pass on the disease, even if they live with cats that do not have it. FIV is passed on from deep bites during mating and fighting during mating so you really do not have to keep fixed cats separate. Good luck with your two fur kids.
On May 24, 2016 4:58 PM, Christine Dundas  wrote:Check Yahoo groups.  They have groups for FIV.
On May 24, 2016 3:26 PM, "barbe berbes"  wrote:Both of my babies have FIV, both adopted from shelter. Does anyone know of a support group I can join to better helpe to help keep my little one healthy as Iong as possible? I know very little about FIV and this group doesn't address their issues directly. Thank you for any help and/or advice!!!
On May 24, 2016 2:17 PM, "Roxanne Smith"  wrote:I live in Milwaukee and know several good holistic vetsDr Heidi Meier out of Community Vet Clinicand Dr. Ali Troutman, I think her clinic is Integrated Vet ClinicBoth are nice vets--I like them bothI use Dr Meier for foster careand I have been to Dr Ali for several of my own very sick animals. Both are sweet vets.   From: swacht  To: felinerescue@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol   There was someone who lives in the Milwaukee, WI area looking for a Holistic Vet - I have nieces who live in Madison, WI who found one thereFull Circle VeterinaryHolistic Veterinary CareI don't remember who and there are so many posts to go throughSandy W-Original Message- From: LorrieSent: Friday, May 20, 2016 5:18 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of WinstrolThank you very much Ardy.  Now to get my vet to comply.Lorrie-On 05-19, Ardy Robertson wrote:> Hi Lorrie,>> I found Winstrol (Stanozolol) at a compounding pharmacy called Diamond > Back> Drugs in Arizona. They offered it in other forms besides liquid, I can't> remember all of them so they might have it in pill form. I bought it in> liquid because that was easier for me to give to Tigger and he liked the> salmon flavor. I would let him smell the syringe before I gave it and he > did> not try to avoid it. The company's website is> http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/   and their phone number is > 866-578-4420.>> I found them to be very good to work with, very efficient and also caring.> The company seems large, but they take time to talk with you individually> also. The vet had to fill out the prescription online, or fax it to them.> Then they would call me to verify the address, and for me to give them> payment by credit card. I paid $42 for a 25 day supply.>> Hope this helps. If they do not have pill form, you might be able to find> other sources by googling "compounding pharmacy veterinarian".> Ardy>>___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV and oral cancer

[Heather]

Hi Amy,

I'm really sorry to hear what all you have been through.

We have had 3 cases of oral cancer (squamous cell carcinoma).  It is
ruthless and horrible.  My understanding is that it can be tough to
distinguish between the oral tumors and other oral/dental problems
sometimes until the tumor becomes so visible/obvious it is already very
advanced (which was the case with all 3 of ours, they were not cats living
with us so not quite exact situation you have--just let me know if you'd
like more info though).  My understanding is also that there is not much
you can do treatment wise for such a cancer (though I think I have
heard there may be some cases where they can remove part of the jaw if
applicable).

There have been many cases of this type of cancer on the Feline Cancer
group, I's suggest posting there.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-cancer/   There was one person
(search Jen  Ski) who used Neoplasense and did as much for her kitty as
possible, from what I've heard keeping them comfortable is the main
objective since there is not a lot (to my knowledge) that you can do
treatment wise.

I wish you and your kitty the best, and really appreciate you caring about
her so much.  I hope by chance this is not what you are dealing with, and
that if you are you can find some helpful information and experience on
this or the cancer group that might help you.

Heather

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I know this isn't an FIV group but I thought I might be able to find
 some helpful info.  I have two cats that have leukemia and I've been
 through lymphoma and cancer with several of the positives.  This time it is
 my FIV+ that is having trouble.  About a month ago, we noticed a large
 swelling on the side of her face.  We took her to the vet and she had a bad
 tooth which started bleeding when the doctor touched it.  My vet, who I
 adore and who has never steered me wrong over all the years of my leuk
 positives, recommended I put her on antibiotics and bring her back to have
 the tooth removed.  We did that and she had 4 extractions.  She had
 bloodwork and testing prior to surgery and everything was beautiful.  No
 signs of anything but a dental abscess.

 Following the surgery, the swelling on her face was not going away.  She
 has been on very strong antibiotics (trying different kinds and multiple
 ones together) and yet the mass continues to grow.  My vet started by
 saying she was concerned we might be dealing with cancer.  At this point,
 she is fully convinced there is a tumor growing in there.  For all my other
 cats, I have pursued test after test trying to save them.  I've done chemo,
 I've gone to Cornell University trying to save some of them, but ultimately
 the cancer always seems to win.  So my vet said I could let her be or I
 could put her under and do dental x-rays and a biopsy.  Her socket has not
 even healed from her dental and my vet said she personally probably
 wouldn't put her through the biopsy as we are either dealing with infection
 or cancer and we are both confident this is not infection.  Has anybody
 else ever been through something like this?  I don't want to put her
 through any more sedation, testing, etc. if her days are numbered but I
 also wonder if I could be missing something.  My vet gave me this kitty and
 she loves her like her own kitty so I'm leaning towards following her
 advice.  I just always thought my FIV+ kitty might live a long, normal life
 and am so bummed to be possibly dealing with cancer yet again.  Would love
 to hear about anybody else that has been through oral cancer as this is one
 cancer that I haven't been through before.

 Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV and oral cancer

[Cindy McHugh]

Amy,

I don’t have any advice to offer, but I wanted to say I’m so sorry you’re going 
through this. You and your dear kitty are in my thoughts and prayers.

Cindy

From: Amy 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV and oral cancer

I know this isn't an FIV group but I thought I might be able to find some 
helpful info.  I have two cats that have leukemia and I've been through 
lymphoma and cancer with several of the positives.  This time it is my FIV+ 
that is having trouble.  About a month ago, we noticed a large swelling on the 
side of her face.  We took her to the vet and she had a bad tooth which started 
bleeding when the doctor touched it.  My vet, who I adore and who has never 
steered me wrong over all the years of my leuk positives, recommended I put her 
on antibiotics and bring her back to have the tooth removed.  We did that and 
she had 4 extractions.  She had bloodwork and testing prior to surgery and 
everything was beautiful.  No signs of anything but a dental abscess.  

Following the surgery, the swelling on her face was not going away.  She has 
been on very strong antibiotics (trying different kinds and multiple ones 
together) and yet the mass continues to grow.  My vet started by saying she was 
concerned we might be dealing with cancer.  At this point, she is fully 
convinced there is a tumor growing in there.  For all my other cats, I have 
pursued test after test trying to save them.  I've done chemo, I've gone to 
Cornell University trying to save some of them, but ultimately the cancer 
always seems to win.  So my vet said I could let her be or I could put her 
under and do dental x-rays and a biopsy.  Her socket has not even healed from 
her dental and my vet said she personally probably wouldn't put her through the 
biopsy as we are either dealing with infection or cancer and we are both 
confident this is not infection.  Has anybody else ever been through something 
like this?  I don't want to put her through any more sedation, testing, etc. if 
her days are numbered but I also wonder if I could be missing something.  My 
vet gave me this kitty and she loves her like her own kitty so I'm leaning 
towards following her advice.  I just always thought my FIV+ kitty might live a 
long, normal life and am so bummed to be possibly dealing with cancer yet 
again.  Would love to hear about anybody else that has been through oral cancer 
as this is one cancer that I haven't been through before.

Thanks
Amy



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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV and oral cancer

[Heather]

PS:   Oral SCC would be a useful term to search on this type of cancer.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Amy,

 I'm really sorry to hear what all you have been through.

 We have had 3 cases of oral cancer (squamous cell carcinoma).  It is
 ruthless and horrible.  My understanding is that it can be tough to
 distinguish between the oral tumors and other oral/dental problems
 sometimes until the tumor becomes so visible/obvious it is already very
 advanced (which was the case with all 3 of ours, they were not cats living
 with us so not quite exact situation you have--just let me know if you'd
 like more info though).  My understanding is also that there is not much
 you can do treatment wise for such a cancer (though I think I have
 heard there may be some cases where they can remove part of the jaw if
 applicable).

 There have been many cases of this type of cancer on the Feline Cancer
 group, I's suggest posting there.
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-cancer/   There was one person
 (search Jen  Ski) who used Neoplasense and did as much for her kitty as
 possible, from what I've heard keeping them comfortable is the main
 objective since there is not a lot (to my knowledge) that you can do
 treatment wise.

 I wish you and your kitty the best, and really appreciate you caring about
 her so much.  I hope by chance this is not what you are dealing with, and
 that if you are you can find some helpful information and experience on
 this or the cancer group that might help you.

 Heather

  On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

   I know this isn't an FIV group but I thought I might be able to find
 some helpful info.  I have two cats that have leukemia and I've been
 through lymphoma and cancer with several of the positives.  This time it is
 my FIV+ that is having trouble.  About a month ago, we noticed a large
 swelling on the side of her face.  We took her to the vet and she had a bad
 tooth which started bleeding when the doctor touched it.  My vet, who I
 adore and who has never steered me wrong over all the years of my leuk
 positives, recommended I put her on antibiotics and bring her back to have
 the tooth removed.  We did that and she had 4 extractions.  She had
 bloodwork and testing prior to surgery and everything was beautiful.  No
 signs of anything but a dental abscess.

 Following the surgery, the swelling on her face was not going away.  She
 has been on very strong antibiotics (trying different kinds and multiple
 ones together) and yet the mass continues to grow.  My vet started by
 saying she was concerned we might be dealing with cancer.  At this point,
 she is fully convinced there is a tumor growing in there.  For all my other
 cats, I have pursued test after test trying to save them.  I've done chemo,
 I've gone to Cornell University trying to save some of them, but ultimately
 the cancer always seems to win.  So my vet said I could let her be or I
 could put her under and do dental x-rays and a biopsy.  Her socket has not
 even healed from her dental and my vet said she personally probably
 wouldn't put her through the biopsy as we are either dealing with infection
 or cancer and we are both confident this is not infection.  Has anybody
 else ever been through something like this?  I don't want to put her
 through any more sedation, testing, etc. if her days are numbered but I
 also wonder if I could be missing something.  My vet gave me this kitty and
 she loves her like her own kitty so I'm leaning towards following her
 advice.  I just always thought my FIV+ kitty might live a long, normal life
 and am so bummed to be possibly dealing with cancer yet again.  Would love
 to hear about anybody else that has been through oral cancer as this is one
 cancer that I haven't been through before.

 Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV and oral cancer

[Natalie]

Amy,

I have had non-FIV cats with all kinds of cancers, mouth, brain, bone,
stomach, eye, and ALL before I became aware and began managing an
alternative group for cancer.  I have almost saved a cat with a very
advanced stomach cancer; it didn't save his life, but his quality of life
was so much better, lived longer, gained weight, looked wide-eyed and
bushy-tailed - no pain, no discopmfort!

I have heard previously that there's always danger of cancer with FIV dental
problems, and chance of it even in healthy cats after extraction.

Would you be interested in joining a group where you could give the cat an
alternative?  It might be a tonic that you make yourself or apply a salve
directly to the tooth area.  It's important to send photos of what is
happening.  If you are willing to try it, please let me know - I manage the
group. It is not necessary to know whether it is or isn't cancer, or what
type - the salve attacks ONLY cancer cells, and leaves healthy ones alone -
the tonic boosts the immune system and treats cancers from within
systemically.

Natalie  =^..^=

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV and oral cancer

 

I know this isn't an FIV group but I thought I might be able to find some
helpful info.  I have two cats that have leukemia and I've been through
lymphoma and cancer with several of the positives.  This time it is my FIV+
that is having trouble.  About a month ago, we noticed a large swelling on
the side of her face.  We took her to the vet and she had a bad tooth which
started bleeding when the doctor touched it.  My vet, who I adore and who
has never steered me wrong over all the years of my leuk positives,
recommended I put her on antibiotics and bring her back to have the tooth
removed.  We did that and she had 4 extractions.  She had bloodwork and
testing prior to surgery and everything was beautiful.  No signs of anything
but a dental abscess.  

 

Following the surgery, the swelling on her face was not going away.  She has
been on very strong antibiotics (trying different kinds and multiple ones
together) and yet the mass continues to grow.  My vet started by saying she
was concerned we might be dealing with cancer.  At this point, she is fully
convinced there is a tumor growing in there.  For all my other cats, I have
pursued test after test trying to save them.  I've done chemo, I've gone to
Cornell University trying to save some of them, but ultimately the cancer
always seems to win.  So my vet said I could let her be or I could put her
under and do dental x-rays and a biopsy.  Her socket has not even healed
from her dental and my vet said she personally probably wouldn't put her
through the biopsy as we are either dealing with infection or cancer and we
are both confident this is not infection.  Has anybody else ever been
through something like this?  I don't want to put her through any more
sedation, testing, etc. if her days are numbered but I also wonder if I
could be missing something.  My vet gave me this kitty and she loves her
like her own kitty so I'm leaning towards following her advice.  I just
always thought my FIV+ kitty might live a long, normal life and am so bummed
to be possibly dealing with cancer yet again.  Would love to hear about
anybody else that has been through oral cancer as this is one cancer that I
haven't been through before.

 

Thanks

Amy

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

[dlgegg]

You would not have that problem with anyone in this group.  We would not give, 
sell any animal in our charge unless we know the history fo the people getting 
them.  As for the Jennifer, if I had her within my reach, she would have 
trouble ever adopting a cat or dog again and soeone would have to restrain me 
so I did do her bodily harm.  Hurt a child, senior citizen or an animal and in 
my opinion, you do not deserve the company or friendship of anyone.  I still do 
not approve of your language.


 
 Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some 
 little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about 
 the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first 
 chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that 
 give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last 
 night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population 
 offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be 
 before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she 
 would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At 
 least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats.



 From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 

 
Is there a FIV rescue group 
that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, 
go 
to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss 
Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very 
beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her 
in 
but hoping a rescue can.
 
Thank you!
Lynda 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

[Charles Adams]

Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some 
little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about 
the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first 
chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that 
give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last 
night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population 
offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be 
before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would 
have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am 
honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats.



 From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 

 
Is there a FIV rescue group 
that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, 
go 
to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss 
Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very 
beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her 
in 
but hoping a rescue can.
 
Thank you!
Lynda 
Wilson
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

[Lynda Wilson]

CHARLES - DO NOT USE MY THREAD TO RESPOND TO YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS REGARDING 
YOUR PROBLEM. I'M TRYING TO FIND THIS FIV CAT A HOME!!!

Again, 
Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like 
to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook 
page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first 
on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped 
markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can.
Thank you!
Lynda Wilson
  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Adams 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home


  Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some 
little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about 
the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first 
chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that 
give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last 
night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population 
offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be 
before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would 
have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am 
honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats.



--
  From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home



  Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like 
to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook 
page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first 
on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped 
markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can.

  Thank you!
  Lynda Wilson

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

[Natalie]

Chuck - not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads
up their asses, now we're a bunch of crooks who want to take that
unfortunate future breeder cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own
pockets; this may be your mentality - it's not ours (if I may speak for
everyone here on this one point).

There's honesty and  there's reality, and it's not pretty. Here's an
analogy:  If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good
guy just because he was honest?  What's your point - no, please don't
answer.

Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your
eyes, you feel slighted, and now she's the little tramp - you allowed
yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this
cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always  the female
breeder cat.

I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list's
members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even
tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on
the subject?

I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are.

 

http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+s
helters 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some
little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about
the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first
chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag
that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't
last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal
population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it
would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and
then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone
anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats.

 

  _  

From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd
like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound
Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and
info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and
gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can.

 

Thank you!

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

[McKenna's]

What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an 
information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, 
people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by 
being nasty.

From: Natalie 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up 
their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate 
future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this 
may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this 
one point).

There’s honesty and  there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy:  
If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just 
because he was honest?  What’s your point – no, please don’t answer.

Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your 
eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself 
to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and 
yours, however, the loser in these cases is always  the female breeder cat.

I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s 
members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried 
some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject?

I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are.

 

http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters
 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some 
little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about 
the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first 
chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that 
give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last 
night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population 
offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be 
before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would 
have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am 
honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats.

 




From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like 
to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook 
page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first 
on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped 
markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can.

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

[Edna Taylor]

Seems that Chuck is the one being rude (for the most part) and well, keeping 
his cat in a cage outside just doesn't seem like the type of person that REALLY 
cares about his cat, but hey, just my opinion.
 
Also, rescuers are entitled to get a bit miffed when someone is adding to the 
problem because ONLY 1 out of every 10 kittens born will find a home, the rest 
either die in the shelter or on the streets.  WE DON'T NEED MORE PEOPLE 
BREEDING CATS.  If you want to see some examples, I would be happy to put 
together a word document with the thousands of emails I get from the Houston 
area every day regarding need homes for these kittens/cats  list of cats to 
die today, etc. etc.
 



From: mckennas...@power-net.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:31:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home








What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an 
information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, 
people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by 
being nasty.


 

From: Natalie 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 


Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up 
their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate 
future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this 
may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this 
one point).
There’s honesty and  there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy:  
If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just 
because he was honest?  What’s your point – no, please don’t answer.
Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your 
eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself 
to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and 
yours, however, the loser in these cases is always  the female breeder cat.
I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s 
members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried 
some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject?
I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are.
 
http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters
 
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 


Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some 
little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about 
the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first 
chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that 
give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last 
night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population 
offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be 
before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would 
have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am 
honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats.

 






From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 



Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like 
to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook 
page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first 
on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped 
markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can.

 

Thank you!

Lynda Wilson

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

[Lynda Wilson]

Austin, Tx has a total of 400 kittens needing homes
  - Original Message - 
  From: Edna Taylor 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home


  Seems that Chuck is the one being rude (for the most part) and well, 
keeping his cat in a cage outside just doesn't seem like the type of person 
that REALLY cares about his cat, but hey, just my opinion.
   
  Also, rescuers are entitled to get a bit miffed when someone is adding to the 
problem because ONLY 1 out of every 10 kittens born will find a home, the rest 
either die in the shelter or on the streets.  WE DON'T NEED MORE PEOPLE 
BREEDING CATS.  If you want to see some examples, I would be happy to put 
together a word document with the thousands of emails I get from the Houston 
area every day regarding need homes for these kittens/cats  list of cats to 
die today, etc. etc.
   


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  From: mckennas...@power-net.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:31:39 -0400
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home


  What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be 
an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. 
Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his 
mind by being nasty.

  From: Natalie 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

  Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads 
up their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate 
future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this 
may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this 
one point).

  There’s honesty and  there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy: 
 If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just 
because he was honest?  What’s your point – no, please don’t answer.

  Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your 
eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself 
to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and 
yours, however, the loser in these cases is always  the female breeder cat.

  I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s 
members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried 
some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject?

  I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are.



  
http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters
 



  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home



  Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some 
little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about 
the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first 
chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that 
give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last 
night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population 
offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be 
before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would 
have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am 
honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats.




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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home



  Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like 
to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook 
page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first 
on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped 
markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can.



  Thank you!

  Lynda Wilson


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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

[GRAS]

Chuck - in none of your writings did you ask on how to treat the FeLV+ cat
for the disease!  This is the kind of group this is.

To give you a picture of what happens all over the US, multiply Edna's
numbers...you may get the piucture!

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Austin, Tx has a total of 400 kittens needing homes

- Original Message - 

From: Edna Taylor mailto:taylore...@msn.com  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:35 AM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Seems that Chuck is the one being rude (for the most part) and well,
keeping his cat in a cage outside just doesn't seem like the type of person
that REALLY cares about his cat, but hey, just my opinion.
 
Also, rescuers are entitled to get a bit miffed when someone is adding to
the problem because ONLY 1 out of every 10 kittens born will find a home,
the rest either die in the shelter or on the streets.  WE DON'T NEED MORE
PEOPLE BREEDING CATS.  If you want to see some examples, I would be happy to
put together a word document with the thousands of emails I get from the
Houston area every day regarding need homes for these kittens/cats  list
of cats to die today, etc. etc.
 


  _  


From: mckennas...@power-net.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:31:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be
an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk.
Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you're not gonna change his
mind by being nasty.

 

From: Natalie mailto:at...@optonline.net  

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Chuck - not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads
up their asses, now we're a bunch of crooks who want to take that
unfortunate future breeder cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own
pockets; this may be your mentality - it's not ours (if I may speak for
everyone here on this one point).

There's honesty and  there's reality, and it's not pretty. Here's an
analogy:  If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good
guy just because he was honest?  What's your point - no, please don't
answer.

Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your
eyes, you feel slighted, and now she's the little tramp - you allowed
yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this
cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always  the female
breeder cat.

I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list's
members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even
tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on
the subject?

I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are.

 

http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+s
helters 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

[Natalie]

You are right, this is a group for that purpose.  But have you had any reason 
to believe otherwise until just now? NO.

However, this topic is a sore point for most of the people in this group who 
are rescuers and caretakers of sick cats.

And please consider who is the rude on in these exchanges? Charles seems to 
care not about the illness and how to help the cat, but how to get rid of her 
and get his money back.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of McKenna's
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an 
information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, 
people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by 
being nasty.

 

From: Natalie mailto:at...@optonline.net  

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up 
their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate 
future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this 
may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this 
one point).

There’s honesty and  there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy:  
If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just 
because he was honest?  What’s your point – no, please don’t answer.

Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your 
eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself 
to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and 
yours, however, the loser in these cases is always  the female breeder cat.

I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s 
members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried 
some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject?

I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are.

 

http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters
 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some 
little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about 
the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first 
chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that 
give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last 
night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population 
offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be 
before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would 
have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am 
honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats.

 

  _  

From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like 
to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook 
page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first 
on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped 
markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can.

 

Thank you!

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

[Edna Taylor]

And you know what?  Sometimes people just need to be called on their bad 
behavior, plain and simple.  As Atia2 pointed out Chuck seems to ONLY be 
concerned about how much money he is out.  He should take Ben up on his 
generous offer because at least then, those two cats would have a good, quality 
life, not one confined to a cage outside or just tossed to the elements to get 
pregnant and spread disease - sheesh.
 



Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:00:54 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home







You are right, this is a group for that purpose.  But have you had any reason 
to believe otherwise until just now? NO.
However, this topic is a sore point for most of the people in this group who 
are rescuers and caretakers of sick cats.
And please consider who is the rude on in these exchanges? Charles seems to 
care not about the illness and how to help the cat, but how to get rid of her 
and get his money back.
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of McKenna's
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 



What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an 
information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, 
people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by 
being nasty.



 


From: Natalie 

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up 
their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate 
future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this 
may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this 
one point).
There’s honesty and  there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy:  
If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just 
because he was honest?  What’s your point – no, please don’t answer.
Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your 
eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself 
to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and 
yours, however, the loser in these cases is always  the female breeder cat.
I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s 
members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried 
some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject?
I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are.
 
http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters
 
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 


Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some 
little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about 
the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first 
chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that 
give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last 
night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population 
offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be 
before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would 
have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am 
honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats.

 






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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM
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Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like 
to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook 
page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first 
on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped 
markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can.

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Beth]

Heather I went through this with my 1st FeLV. I was hesitant to spay her, but 
when she went into heat (I'd never seen ANY cat in heat before) I figured the 
stress of that was far worse than the stress of the spay. She needs to be 
spayed regardless of the outcome of the retest.
Beth
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From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 12:15 PM

Hello,

Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and is
awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
worried this would likely happen, she is in heat.  I would guess that is
also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.

I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right now
the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.  I
asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise  is going to get
back to me.

Thanks!

Heather
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Heather]

Yes, she will be spayed regardless of the outcome, we've spayed/neutered all
FELV+ rescues in the past but wanted to wait till her restet, she is not
with any other cats so we will retest  spay her soon.

Thank you all for the input!!!

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Heather I went through this with my 1st FeLV. I was hesitant to spay her,
 but when she went into heat (I'd never seen ANY cat in heat before) I
 figured the stress of that was far worse than the stress of the spay. She
 needs to be spayed regardless of the outcome of the retest.
 Beth
 Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/

 --- On Fri, 8/27/10, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 12:15 PM

 Hello,

 Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
 FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and is
 awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
 were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
 worried this would likely happen, she is in heat.  I would guess that is
 also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.

 I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
 always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right now
 the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.
 I
 asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise  is going to get
 back to me.

 Thanks!

 Heather
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Natalie]

Just a quickie about special foods...one of my FIV+ cats. living with three
others in a room, has crystals and to make sure he ate his food, all the
others get it as well.  I've noticed that many cats, whenever on special
diets, prefer the dry version to cans.  I serve them both - dry portion on
top or right next to the canned - and they always eat it up. Sometimes I
flavor the special diet with a little bit of juices from regular
food...works like a charm! Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Heather
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

since she is in heat, can you keep her seperate from males?  give her lots
of love and attention and use Felway to keep the stress level down.  i
spayed both of my positive girls.  the vet said to keep them seperate for a
week so she could heal.  i have had no problems with either girl.  Annie and
Nitnoy are treated just like the others, go in and out, eat Blue buffalo
(all prefer the duck formula) and have the run of the house.  all my girls
are healthy with 2 exceptions:  Homey had urine crystals, would not eat
special diet foods which prompted the change to Blue Buffalo which has no
wheat, soy or corn.  she is doing much better now.  Bob had a bladder
infection and is on antibiotics (last 3 days) and doing better.
i would say let her settle in with your other cats and then spay her.
 Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Hello,
 
 Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
 FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and
is
 awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
 were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
 worried this would likely happen, she is in heat.  I would guess that is
 also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.
 
 I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
 always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right
now
 the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.
I
 asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise  is going to
get
 back to me.
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Gloria B. Lane]

Thanks, agreed here.  We've always had such a great, supportive and  
informative list here on FELVtalk.  And although there are some  
disagreements, this particular topic has been helpful.


Gloria


On Aug 27, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Barb Moermond wrote:


I think that in order to keep this a civil and safe place to exchange
information, we need to please address any issues we have with other
list-members directly to them - off list.  It's also a good idea to  
evaluate
whether it's the content of the message that irks or the way it is  
being
perceived - and then to also remember that plain text does not  
convey any other

secondary communication - body language, tone etc.

my .02
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My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.   
Merely living his

life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.

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From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 4:13:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do  
we spay?




Also, you are coming across in e-mails as very abrasive. You are not  
the only
one that rescues/cares for/knows about FeLV and you should respect  
other
people's perspectives and experiences. I gave her an 'What I would  
do' scenario
based on my personal experiences. I have been on this list for many  
many years
and perhaps do not respond as much as you do but am in no way a  
novice when it

comes to these matters.
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[dlgegg]

since she is in heat, can you keep her seperate from males?  give her lots of 
love and attention and use Felway to keep the stress level down.  i spayed both 
of my positive girls.  the vet said to keep them seperate for a week so she 
could heal.  i have had no problems with either girl.  Annie and Nitnoy are 
treated just like the others, go in and out, eat Blue buffalo (all prefer the 
duck formula) and have the run of the house.  all my girls are healthy with 2 
exceptions:  Homey had urine crystals, would not eat special diet foods which 
prompted the change to Blue Buffalo which has no wheat, soy or corn.  she is 
doing much better now.  Bob had a bladder infection and is on antibiotics (last 
3 days) and doing better.
i would say let her settle in with your other cats and then spay her.
 Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Hello,
 
 Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
 FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and is
 awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
 were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
 worried this would likely happen, she is in heat.  I would guess that is
 also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.
 
 I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
 always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right now
 the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.  I
 asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise  is going to get
 back to me.
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Sharyl]

Heather,
I have spayed 6 FeLV girls and neutered 2 FeLV boys - all rescues.  None of the 
girls were in heat.  If you can, it would be better until this heat cycle is 
over to spay her.  That would also give you a chance to feed her a good diet 
for a couple of weeks to build up her system.

Spaying her will be less stressful than repeated heat cycles.
Good luck
Sharyl

  Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
 wrote: 
  Hello,
  
  Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese
 rescue kitty who tested
  FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial
 light positive) and is
  awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress
 her immune system so
  were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of
 weeks ago) but I was
  worried this would likely happen, she is in
 heat.  I would guess that is
  also a stress to her system, but am not really sure
 what we should do.
  
  I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral
 cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
  always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing
 the FELV is right now
  the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany
 input is appreciated.  I
  asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to
 advise  is going to get
  back to me.
  
  Thanks!
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Michelle Brockman]

Hi Heather,
 
I also do TNR so I know where you're coming from. We actually had this same 
situation happen to us a couple months ago with our 5 mo old kitten we plucked 
from a colony that tested 'light' positive. We only test ferals if we can find 
them a home (like kittens). Anyway, our vet said that since we were keeping her 
indoors and secluded it would be best to NOT spay her until we retest in 2 
months because the spay and vaccines WOULD weaken the immune system further. 
And if she did test postive after the the 2 months he suggested not spaying her 
at all and just keeping her indoors. 
 
Thankfully she tested negative after the two months and did get spayed but the 
urgency from the vet was to not do anything that would 'shock' her system and 
make her immune system weaker. 
 
Hope this helps!  


 
Michelle Brockman
It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be remembered 

 


 

 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:15:43 -0400
 From: furrygi...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
 
 Hello,
 
 Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
 FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and is
 awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
 were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
 worried this would likely happen, she is in heat. I would guess that is
 also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.
 
 I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
 always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right now
 the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated. I
 asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise  is going to get
 back to me.
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[MaryChristine]

if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.

if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.

BUT:

here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
(tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives

a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
infection (antibodies).

send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines

she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.

some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.

have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.

wordy as ever,
MC
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Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)





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 Hello,

 Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
 FIV/FELV positive

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Heather]

Thank you both VERY much for this extremely helpful input--and for
a quick answer for now on one important aspect I absolutely agree on, we
only test rescues/friendlies who we are trying to find homes for, or ferals
who are being treated for serious medical conditions/seeking indoor
placement, etc.  We do not routinely test TNR ferals  also discourage the
practice of doing so, or ever test TNR ferals unless they might not be going
back out or sometimes on a cat in really bad shape the clinic might insist
on it  pay for it (still leaving any decisions to us).

My vet has helped us with a number of FIV  FELV+ cats but I guess the
situation of one in heat when awaiting retesting hasn't come up before.

It has only been 2 weeks since she was first tested but I also considered
just going ahead and re-testing now and using that info to decide on whether
to proceed with spay or not.  I just didn't want to jinx myself by retesting
so soon (I know, jinxes are not scientific so it sounds silly, but my life
seems to so full of them or just bad luck that I worry!)

This sweet little kitty also has a huge objection to the drawing of
blood...it is quite stressful for her.  I'm at work so will re-read  read
the links, thanks for sending!

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:36 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:

 if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
 result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
 you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
 shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
 any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.

 if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.

 BUT:

 here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
 who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
 (tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
 there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives

 a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
 infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
 infection (antibodies).

 send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
 enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines

 she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
 veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
 viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.

 some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
 greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
 out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.

 have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
 FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
 just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
 looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.

 wordy as ever,
 MC
 --
 Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
 Maybe That'll Make The Difference

 MaryChristine
 Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org
 )
 Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)





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  Hello,
 
  Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
  FIV/FELV positive

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Heather]

This is very helpful Michelle, thank you!!!

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.comwrote:


 Hi Heather,

 I also do TNR so I know where you're coming from. We actually had this same
 situation happen to us a couple months ago with our 5 mo old kitten we
 plucked from a colony that tested 'light' positive. We only test ferals if
 we can find them a home (like kittens). Anyway, our vet said that since we
 were keeping her indoors and secluded it would be best to NOT spay her until
 we retest in 2 months because the spay and vaccines WOULD weaken the immune
 system further. And if she did test postive after the the 2 months he
 suggested not spaying her at all and just keeping her indoors.

 Thankfully she tested negative after the two months and did get spayed but
 the urgency from the vet was to not do anything that would 'shock' her
 system and make her immune system weaker.

 Hope this helps!



 Michelle Brockman
 It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be
 remembered






  Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:15:43 -0400
  From: furrygi...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
  
  Hello,
 
  Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
  FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and
 is
  awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so
  were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was
  worried this would likely happen, she is in heat. I would guess that is
  also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do.
 
  I am a rescuer  highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is
  always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right
 now
  the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated.
 I
  asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise  is going to
 get
  back to me.
 
  Thanks!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Michelle Brockman]

You're welcome. I would like to add that if you retest ONLY retest with a 
different type of test, they can send out blood to a lab too if you want to 
avoid the faulty snap test issue. It is not recommended that cats be retested 
before at least 2 months have passed - if it is a positive result the cat may 
not have had time to supress the virus and you would still get the same result 
as the previous test. 
 
If it were me I would ask someone to foster it for the two months until spaying 
to be sure. If she isn't pregnant and only in heat you can keep her from 
getting pregnant but you can't undo damage to the immune system as easily. This 
all is of course if she isn't a feral that needs to back outside.  


 
Michelle Brockman
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 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:59:47 -0400
 From: furrygi...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
 
 Thank you both VERY much for this extremely helpful input--and for
 a quick answer for now on one important aspect I absolutely agree on, we
 only test rescues/friendlies who we are trying to find homes for, or ferals
 who are being treated for serious medical conditions/seeking indoor
 placement, etc. We do not routinely test TNR ferals  also discourage the
 practice of doing so, or ever test TNR ferals unless they might not be going
 back out or sometimes on a cat in really bad shape the clinic might insist
 on it  pay for it (still leaving any decisions to us).
 
 My vet has helped us with a number of FIV  FELV+ cats but I guess the
 situation of one in heat when awaiting retesting hasn't come up before.
 
 It has only been 2 weeks since she was first tested but I also considered
 just going ahead and re-testing now and using that info to decide on whether
 to proceed with spay or not. I just didn't want to jinx myself by retesting
 so soon (I know, jinxes are not scientific so it sounds silly, but my life
 seems to so full of them or just bad luck that I worry!)
 
 This sweet little kitty also has a huge objection to the drawing of
 blood...it is quite stressful for her. I'm at work so will re-read  read
 the links, thanks for sending!
 
 On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:36 PM, MaryChristine 
 twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
  result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
  you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
  shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
  any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.
 
  if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.
 
  BUT:
 
  here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
  who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
  (tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
  there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives
 
  a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
  infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
  infection (antibodies).
 
  send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
  enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines
 
  she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
  veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
  viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.
 
  some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
  greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
  out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.
 
  have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
  FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
  just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
  looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.
 
  wordy as ever,
  MC
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  Maybe That'll Make The Difference
 
  MaryChristine
  Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org
  )
  Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
 
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hello,
  
   Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested
   FIV/FELV positive
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[MaryChristine]

michelle, the new test is SO inaccurate that immediate retesting is vital.

if you've read this list at all, you know that i'm the biggest
proponent on waiting to retest in ordinary situations--and 90 days is
the recommended requirement, not 60.

but cats are dying and/or being mislabeled and not adopted based on
this test ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
that's why it's important to find a vet who has--or can get--some of
the OLD tests.

MC
--
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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)





On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:

 You're welcome. I would like to add that if you retest ONLY retest with a 
 different type of test, they can send out blood to a lab too if you want to 
 avoid the faulty snap test issue. It is not recommended that cats be retested 
 before at least 2 months have passed - if it is a positive result the cat may 
 not have had time to supress the virus and you would still get the same 
 result as the previous test.

 If it were me I would ask someone to foster it for the two months until 
 spaying to be sure. If she isn't pregnant and only in heat you can keep her 
 from getting pregnant but you can't undo damage to the immune system as 
 easily. This all is of course if she isn't a feral that needs to back outside.



 Michelle Brockman
 It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be 
 remembered






 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:59:47 -0400
 From: furrygi...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

 Thank you both VERY much for this extremely helpful input--and for
 a quick answer for now on one important aspect I absolutely agree on, we
 only test rescues/friendlies who we are trying to find homes for, or ferals
 who are being treated for serious medical conditions/seeking indoor
 placement, etc. We do not routinely test TNR ferals  also discourage the
 practice of doing so, or ever test TNR ferals unless they might not be going
 back out or sometimes on a cat in really bad shape the clinic might insist
 on it  pay for it (still leaving any decisions to us).

 My vet has helped us with a number of FIV  FELV+ cats but I guess the
 situation of one in heat when awaiting retesting hasn't come up before.

 It has only been 2 weeks since she was first tested but I also considered
 just going ahead and re-testing now and using that info to decide on whether
 to proceed with spay or not. I just didn't want to jinx myself by retesting
 so soon (I know, jinxes are not scientific so it sounds silly, but my life
 seems to so full of them or just bad luck that I worry!)

 This sweet little kitty also has a huge objection to the drawing of
 blood...it is quite stressful for her. I'm at work so will re-read  read
 the links, thanks for sending!

 On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:36 PM, MaryChristine 
 twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:

  if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
  result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
  you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
  shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
  any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.
 
  if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.
 
  BUT:
 
  here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
  who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
  (tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
  there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives
 
  a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
  infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
  infection (antibodies).
 
  send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
  enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines
 
  she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
  veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
  viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.
 
  some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
  greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
  out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.
 
  have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
  FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
  just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
  looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.
 
  wordy as ever,
  MC
  --
  Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
  Maybe That'll Make The Difference
 
  MaryChristine
  Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org
  )
  Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
 
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Aug 27

Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Michelle Brockman]

I said if she is going to retest right away then to use another type of test. 
Not to NOT re-test.  And yes 90 days is better but it can be done as soon as 
60, if you need me to give you references of the 60 day time period from 
medical journals I'll be more than happy to do that. We used to only rescue 
FeLV + cats and always retested in 60 days and that was ample time for an 
accurate result. My vet, who is also FeLV friendly and is greatly respected in 
my community/county also adheres to the 60 day policy. 
 
Also, you are coming across in e-mails as very abrasive. You are not the only 
one that rescues/cares for/knows about FeLV and you should respect other 
people's perspectives and experiences. I gave her an 'What I would do' scenario 
based on my personal experiences. I have been on this list for many many years 
and perhaps do not respond as much as you do but am in no way a novice when it 
comes to these matters. 

And I do not believe that the cat in question is at risk of being euthanized 
because of a faulty test result at this point. Yes, it happens in other 
scenarios and cases but we are not talking about those cases. Not every vet and 
as time goes on not many vets will have the old snap tests which is why I 
suggest (as stated in my previous e-mail) sending the blood off to be lab 
tested to avoid snap test errors. It is not practical for most people with busy 
lives, especially ones with active 'rescue' careers to call from vet to vet or 
vet 'hop' to find old tests. Perhaps you should lobby the manufacturer and urge 
them to improve their test so other cats in different circumstances with 
ignorant owners and shelter staff have a real chance at life. That is all I 
have to say about that.  


 From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:23:20 -0400
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
 
 michelle, the new test is SO inaccurate that immediate retesting is vital.
 
 if you've read this list at all, you know that i'm the biggest
 proponent on waiting to retest in ordinary situations--and 90 days is
 the recommended requirement, not 60.
 
 but cats are dying and/or being mislabeled and not adopted based on
 this test ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
 that's why it's important to find a vet who has--or can get--some of
 the OLD tests.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[MaryChristine]

i do not believe that this belongs on this list; i have responded privately.

MC
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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)





On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:




 I said if she is going to retest right away then to use another type of test. 
 Not to NOT re-test.  And yes 90 days is better but it can be done as soon as 
 60, if you need me to give you references of the 60 day time period from 
 medical journals I'll be more than happy to do that. We used to only rescue 
 FeLV + cats and always retested in 60 days and that was ample time for an 
 accurate result. My vet, who is also FeLV friendly and is greatly respected 
 in my community/county also adheres to the 60 day policy.

 Also, you are coming across in e-mails as very abrasive. You are not the only 
 one that rescues/cares for/knows about FeLV and you should respect other 
 people's perspectives and experiences. I gave her an 'What I would do' 
 scenario based on my personal experiences. I have been on this list for many 
 many years and perhaps do not respond as much as you do but am in no way a 
 novice when it comes to these matters.

 And I do not believe that the cat in question is at risk of being euthanized 
 because of a faulty test result at this point. Yes, it happens in other 
 scenarios and cases but we are not talking about those cases. Not every vet 
 and as time goes on not many vets will have the old snap tests which is why I 
 suggest (as stated in my previous e-mail) sending the blood off to be lab 
 tested to avoid snap test errors. It is not practical for most people with 
 busy lives, especially ones with active 'rescue' careers to call from vet to 
 vet or vet 'hop' to find old tests. Perhaps you should lobby the manufacturer 
 and urge them to improve their test so other cats in different circumstances 
 with ignorant owners and shelter staff have a real chance at life. That is 
 all I have to say about that.


 From: twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:23:20 -0400
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

 michelle, the new test is SO inaccurate that immediate retesting is vital.

 if you've read this list at all, you know that i'm the biggest
 proponent on waiting to retest in ordinary situations--and 90 days is
 the recommended requirement, not 60.

 but cats are dying and/or being mislabeled and not adopted based on
 this test ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
 that's why it's important to find a vet who has--or can get--some of
 the OLD tests.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Barb Moermond]

I think that in order to keep this a civil and safe place to exchange 
information, we need to please address any issues we have with other 
list-members directly to them - off list.  It's also a good idea to evaluate 
whether it's the content of the message that irks or the way it is being 
perceived - and then to also remember that plain text does not convey any other 
secondary communication - body language, tone etc.

my .02
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My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living 
his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 

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From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 4:13:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?



Also, you are coming across in e-mails as very abrasive. You are not the only 
one that rescues/cares for/knows about FeLV and you should respect other 
people's perspectives and experiences. I gave her an 'What I would do' scenario 
based on my personal experiences. I have been on this list for many many years 
and perhaps do not respond as much as you do but am in no way a novice when it 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?

[Kim]

Can anyone tell me when the NEW FeLV test came out?  

...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a
shelter today.

 On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:36 PM, MaryChristine
twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  if she was tested on the new HW/FIV/FeLV test, you cannot trust the
  result. find a vet who has a stock of the old, FIV/FeLV-only test--if
  you can find one, and retest NOW. in checking with MANY rescues and
  shelters across the country, we have only found one true positive in
  any cat tested with the new test: way below the natural distribution.
 
  if you do that, the rest of your questions will be moot.
 
  BUT:
 
  here's the info on the faint/slight positives, directly from IDEXX,
  who held the exclusive patent on the SNAP technology til last november
  (tho i'm not sure how come there were cheaper, less accurate tests out
  there...) http://tinyurl.com/No-Faint-Positives
 
  a cat doesn't clear the virus so much as not truly become
  infected--the ELISA and IFA test for exposure (antigens), not
  infection (antibodies).
 
  send your vet this link (after thanking her PROFUSELY for caring
  enough to look into it): http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines
 
  she sounds like a great vet, and she'll probably check out the merck
  veterinary manual that talks about how many cats do NOT remain
  viremic. i've posted that before, so an archive check will bring it up.
 
  some folks think that the stress of pregnancy and nursing is much
  greater on a FeLV mom than that of spaying. but first you need to find
  out if she's REALLY testing positive for exposure.
 
  have you all read the guidelines about testing/re-releasing true
  FIV/FeLV positives? many TNR groups no longer bother testing, they
  just treat all asymptomatic cats as that: healthy cats. last time i
  looked it up, i just did it through a search engine.
 
  wordy as ever,
  MC
  --
  Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
  Maybe That'll Make The Difference
 
  MaryChristine
  Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue
(www.purebredcats.org
  )
  Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
.org


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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV Vac

[April and Jay]

Boy I must be lucky! Knowing what was said here I was against the vaccine but 
brought it up to my vet to see were he stood on it. He was totally against it. 
He said it is not even proven to work and gives false positives.  It made me 
very secure to have my pets in his care.


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