Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
Have that on my plate, but so far no GI problems, in fact she has not up chucked once since we started it. also watching boxes, no loose stools either. She has in fact been less irritable with Harley and has settled into her old routine. also not eating as much. I plan to weigh her Monday to be sure she has not lost weight. she has a follow up vet appt in 4 weeks.Thank everyone for your help, I am not looking to loosing anyone soon. In fact I have made arrangements with a no kill shelter in St. Louis to take all 3 when I pass. They will keep up with any meds and continue their favorite food. A member of my church will drive them in with their toys, beds, condos, etc. at 78, is likely I will go first. have this locked into my will. - Original Message - From: Lorraine Johnston To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 14:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats You might also want to consider the methimazole gel that can be rubbed onto the inside of the tip of the ear. We’ve had great luck with that. It bypasses all the GI upset that oral methimazole can cause. - Lorraine On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net" wrote:Hello everyoone, I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine. the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat that. Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me . I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds work. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
You might also want to consider the methimazole gel that can be rubbed onto the inside of the tip of the ear. We’ve had great luck with that. It bypasses all the GI upset that oral methimazole can cause. - Lorraine On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net" wrote: Hello everyoone, I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine. the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat that. Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me . I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds work. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
I’m keeping my fingers crossed for you and Homey. It is wonderful you have
found some open-minded vets. Please let us all know if you get good results.
Certainly, the information I found online strongly suggests CBD Oil is quite
effective in cases of hyperthyroidism in humans, but I think the trick always
is in getting the correct strain. Sadly, given the decades of labelling
everything from the cannabis and hemp plants as criminal, science and medicine
has lagged far behind in understanding the potential of these plants. My
understanding is that there are certain strains which have shown excellent
results with hyperthyroidism, and I myself am still exploring how to obtain the
strains you need for the conditions you seek to treat. I’m in Canada, and
although everything is now legal here, it is a mess in terms of understanding
this stuff. In Ontario, they closed down almost all of the dispensaries and
small shops which had the expertise in this stuff, and I think that was just a
bozo move to make. As I understand it, in states like Colorado where they left
these dispensaries after legalizing medical marijuana, the folks who actually
understood stuff about the different strains, could be found in those shops to
guide you.
Hopefully, your vets have resources available to them to ensure that the right
strains are obtained.
Amani
From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: April 21, 2019 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
Computer acting up, not sure if my message got thru.
Homey is not felv, Shalie was. Harley and Dee are not felv and I got them at
Walmart, lady was giving away. I chewed her out and she said visitors
accidently let her out and she became pregnant. nicely explained that if she
was not breeding to sell kittens, is best for her cat and herself to get her
spayed. I believe in spay/neuter so we don't end up with more kittens to be
killed on streets, being used to "blood" fighting dogs or killed in shelters.
Homey was feral. I am against the Iodine because of the long seperation period
would be hard on her and the rest of us. She has always slept on my bed .
PLUS MY EXPERIENCE with Shali. Can't do this to another of my fur babies. I
have contacted 2 vets who have used medical cannibus with good results and am
contacting my vets who have been open minded about alternative medicine.
Hopefully they will be willing to supervise her treatment for me. downloading
info from new vets for them.
- Original Message -
From: Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 20:07:38 -0400 (EDT)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
Computer acting up, not sure if my message got thru.Homey is not felv, Shalie was. Harley and Dee are not felv and I got them at Walmart, lady was giving away. I chewed her out and she said visitors accidently let her out and she became pregnant. nicely explained that if she was not breeding to sell kittens, is best for her cat and herself to get her spayed. I believe in spay/neuter so we don't end up with more kittens to be killed on streets, being used to "blood" fighting dogs or killed in shelters. Homey was feral. I am against the Iodine because of the long seperation period would be hard on her and the rest of us. She has always slept on my bed . PLUS MY EXPERIENCE with Shali. Can't do this to another of my fur babies. I have contacted 2 vets who have used medical cannibus with good results and am contacting my vets who have been open minded about alternative medicine. Hopefully they will be willing to supervise her treatment for me. downloading info from new vets for them. - Original Message - From: Amani Oakley To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 20:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Got in now. Yes, it’s true that most of our conversations relate to FeLV cats, but Dlgegg has a lot of cats (like many of us on this chatline) and we also sometimes just see if others in the group may have experience with other conditions. Good information you have provided regarding hyperthyroidism. Thank you, Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston Sent: April 20, 2019 7:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats As this group is FeLVtalk, I assumed that cats discussed here are FeLV-positive unless the writer says otherwise. Yes, I would indeed hesitate to put a FeLV cat through I-131 therapy. We’ve seen many of our rescues go temporarily hypothyroid (ie, underactive thyroid) for 2 or more months as the treatment, after it is administered, gradually kills the overactive thyroid nodules and the healthy thyroid tissue has to wake back up. This happening is known to veterinarians administering I-131 and is one reason they recommend waiting to test the thyroid until 60 days after treatment. Sometimes, though, the cat’s thyroid becomes oversuppressed because too much tissue was destroyed, and the cat needs supplementation with thyroid hormone. In two of our cases, permanent supplementation became necessary. This is meaningful to FeLV (and FIV) cats because when the thyroid gland is working too slowly, the immune system can also slow down. This has been seen in humans and in dogs, so I suspect cats would be affected as well. So, for my own FIV cat and for my cousin’s FeLV kitty who we baby-sit, I wouldn’t use I-131 therapy without thinking hard about it, especially if the cat is doing well on methimazole. Hope this helps, - Lorraine "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:54 PM To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats And in your post, you indicated “In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it”. I hadn’t seen a reference to the FeLV status of Dlgegg’s cat, and that is what I was referencing. You seemed to be suggesting that you had had good experience with the radioactive iodine treatment but would reticent to contemplate the use of that treatment on a FeLV cat. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston Sent: April 20, 2019 5:50 PM To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the original poster (dlg...@windstream.net – see bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior cats did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine). - Lorraine Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that being mentioned. Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you would have difficulty knowing which was responsible. Amani Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Hello,We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 -- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I wou
Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
Got in now. Yes, it’s true that most of our conversations relate to FeLV cats, but Dlgegg has a lot of cats (like many of us on this chatline) and we also sometimes just see if others in the group may have experience with other conditions. Good information you have provided regarding hyperthyroidism. Thank you, Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston Sent: April 20, 2019 7:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats As this group is FeLVtalk, I assumed that cats discussed here are FeLV-positive unless the writer says otherwise. Yes, I would indeed hesitate to put a FeLV cat through I-131 therapy. We’ve seen many of our rescues go temporarily hypothyroid (ie, underactive thyroid) for 2 or more months as the treatment, after it is administered, gradually kills the overactive thyroid nodules and the healthy thyroid tissue has to wake back up. This happening is known to veterinarians administering I-131 and is one reason they recommend waiting to test the thyroid until 60 days after treatment. Sometimes, though, the cat’s thyroid becomes oversuppressed because too much tissue was destroyed, and the cat needs supplementation with thyroid hormone. In two of our cases, permanent supplementation became necessary. This is meaningful to FeLV (and FIV) cats because when the thyroid gland is working too slowly, the immune system can also slow down. This has been seen in humans and in dogs, so I suspect cats would be affected as well. So, for my own FIV cat and for my cousin’s FeLV kitty who we baby-sit, I wouldn’t use I-131 therapy without thinking hard about it, especially if the cat is doing well on methimazole. Hope this helps, - Lorraine "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats And in your post, you indicated “In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it”. I hadn’t seen a reference to the FeLV status of Dlgegg’s cat, and that is what I was referencing. You seemed to be suggesting that you had had good experience with the radioactive iodine treatment but would reticent to contemplate the use of that treatment on a FeLV cat. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston Sent: April 20, 2019 5:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the original poster (dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net-see> – see bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior cats did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine). - Lorraine Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that being mentioned. Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you would have difficulty knowing which was responsible. Amani Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Hello, We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 -- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is working, I would be inclined to continue with it. But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about $200 altogether. It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh. Best regards, Lorraine On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote: Hello everyoone, I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had o
Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
As this group is FeLVtalk, I assumed that cats discussed here are FeLV-positive unless the writer says otherwise. Yes, I would indeed hesitate to put a FeLV cat through I-131 therapy. We’ve seen many of our rescues go temporarily hypothyroid (ie, underactive thyroid) for 2 or more months as the treatment, after it is administered, gradually kills the overactive thyroid nodules and the healthy thyroid tissue has to wake back up. This happening is known to veterinarians administering I-131 and is one reason they recommend waiting to test the thyroid until 60 days after treatment. Sometimes, though, the cat’s thyroid becomes oversuppressed because too much tissue was destroyed, and the cat needs supplementation with thyroid hormone. In two of our cases, permanent supplementation became necessary. This is meaningful to FeLV (and FIV) cats because when the thyroid gland is working too slowly, the immune system can also slow down. This has been seen in humans and in dogs, so I suspect cats would be affected as well. So, for my own FIV cat and for my cousin’s FeLV kitty who we baby-sit, I wouldn’t use I-131 therapy without thinking hard about it, especially if the cat is doing well on methimazole. Hope this helps, - Lorraine "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats And in your post, you indicated “In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it”. I hadn’t seen a reference to the FeLV status of Dlgegg’s cat, and that is what I was referencing. You seemed to be suggesting that you had had good experience with the radioactive iodine treatment but would reticent to contemplate the use of that treatment on a FeLV cat. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston Sent: April 20, 2019 5:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the original poster (dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net-see> – see bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior cats did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine). - Lorraine Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that being mentioned. Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you would have difficulty knowing which was responsible. Amani Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Hello, We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 -- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is working, I would be inclined to continue with it. But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about $200 altogether. It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh. Best regards, Lorraine On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net" wrote: Hello everyoone, I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine. the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat that. Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me . I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds work. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvta
Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
And in your post, you indicated “In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it”. I hadn’t seen a reference to the FeLV status of Dlgegg’s cat, and that is what I was referencing. You seemed to be suggesting that you had had good experience with the radioactive iodine treatment but would reticent to contemplate the use of that treatment on a FeLV cat. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston Sent: April 20, 2019 5:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the original poster (dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net-see> – see bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior cats did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine). - Lorraine Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that being mentioned. Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you would have difficulty knowing which was responsible. Amani Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Hello, We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 -- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is working, I would be inclined to continue with it. But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about $200 altogether. It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh. Best regards, Lorraine On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote: Hello everyoone, I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine. the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat that. Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me . I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds work. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the original poster (dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net-see> – see bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior cats did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine). - Lorraine Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that being mentioned. Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you would have difficulty knowing which was responsible. Amani Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Hello, We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 -- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is working, I would be inclined to continue with it. But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about $200 altogether. It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh. Best regards, Lorraine On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net" wrote: Hello everyoone, I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine. the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat that. Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me . I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds work. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that being mentioned. Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you would have difficulty knowing which was responsible. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston Sent: April 20, 2019 5:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Hello, We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 -- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is working, I would be inclined to continue with it. But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about $200 altogether. It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh. Best regards, Lorraine On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote: Hello everyoone, I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine. the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat that. Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me . I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds work. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
Hello, We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 -- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is working, I would be inclined to continue with it. But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about $200 altogether. It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh. Best regards, Lorraine On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net" wrote: Hello everyoone, I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine. the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat that. Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me . I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds work. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
Hi dlgegg I confess to not having had to deal with this yet in my cats. However, I did some research for you and see a few things that might be of interest to you. First, the radioactive treatment should not have resulted in any nasal bleeding. I couldn’t find that commonly described as a side-effect of the treatment. Perhaps things have improved with the treatment since you last used it on your other cat, ten years ago, and you could maybe ask the vet about that. It is correct that there is a period where the cat has to remain at the vets, until the radioactive levels subside but that seems to be described as a week or so. This treatment is considered permanent, and would then not require ongoing medication. However, one thing you might want to explore is getting CBD Oil and trying that. Certain strains are found to be very good for hyperthyroidism, and there are no side-effects. I am not sure which state you are in, and whether CBD Oil is legal in the state you are in. It should be as it contains no THC levels at all, but governments have been stupid and schizophrenic about such things. Look up “Medical Marijuana and Hyperthyroidism” and see what comes up. The articles you will see relate to use of CBD for hyperthyroidism in people, but you can get CBD Oil for animals as well. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: April 18, 2019 3:13 PM To: leukemia, feline Subject: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats Hello everyoone, I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine. the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat that. Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me . I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds work. my question is: does anyone know of alternative or better ways of treating this? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lorrie, my heart goes out to you - please know you are in my thoughts nd prayers. Sandy W > On April 19, 2019 at 1:48 PM Lorrie wrote: > > > On 04-18, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > > > Hello everyone,I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed > > with hyper thyroid yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is on > > meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had one cat about > > 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine. the isolation was > > very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, > > bleeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat that. Homey > > is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my > > heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air > > in the night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to > > my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me . I am very > > attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds > > work. my question is: does anyone know of alternative or better > > ways of treating this? > > I really feel for you as one of my rescued cats has Hyperthyroid. > All my cats are rescues, and when I rescue a full grown cat I have > no idea of it's age. This little girl is at least 14 and most likely > much older according to vet. I've had her ten years, and she is down > to 5 pounds at her last vet visit a month ago. She is taking 2.5mg of > Felimazole morning and evening just like your cat. but she has not > gained an ounce in spite of eating well. Now she is refusing food and > vomiting (just cloudy liquid) and I'm sure she is going to die soon. > I know she is too old for radioactive iodine and my vet said there > was no other treatment. > > My thoughts go out to you. I am 86 and not in good health. I lost > my husband of 43 years just 3 months ago, as well as losing two other > old cats. It is was heart breaking to lose all of them. > > I send you a hug, > > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On 04-18, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > Hello everyone,I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed > with hyper thyroid yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is on > meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening. I had one cat about > 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine. the isolation was > very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, > bleeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat that. Homey > is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my > heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air > in the night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to > my chest and when she is on my lap, holds on to me . I am very > attached to her and do not want to loose her so am hoping meds > work. my question is: does anyone know of alternative or better > ways of treating this? I really feel for you as one of my rescued cats has Hyperthyroid. All my cats are rescues, and when I rescue a full grown cat I have no idea of it's age. This little girl is at least 14 and most likely much older according to vet. I've had her ten years, and she is down to 5 pounds at her last vet visit a month ago. She is taking 2.5mg of Felimazole morning and evening just like your cat. but she has not gained an ounce in spite of eating well. Now she is refusing food and vomiting (just cloudy liquid) and I'm sure she is going to die soon. I know she is too old for radioactive iodine and my vet said there was no other treatment. My thoughts go out to you. I am 86 and not in good health. I lost my husband of 43 years just 3 months ago, as well as losing two other old cats. It is was heart breaking to lose all of them. I send you a hug, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/outreach/Pet-Health-Topics/categories/diseases/hyperthyroidism-in-cats- 113k- Cached http://www.google.com/search?hl=en=cache:lzWQuzLKAUkJ:http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/outreach/Pet-Health-Topics/categories/diseases/hyperthyroidism-in-cats - Similar pages The average age of cats with hyperthyroidism is 13 years of age; only about 5 % ofhyperthyroid cats are younger than 10 years of age. There are 2 thyroid ... This is just one of may reliable sites to go for info - but looks like they all pretty much say the same thing. I'd stick with the meds. You have one special kitty cat. Sandy W > On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net" > wrote: > > Hello everyoone, > I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid > yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole > morning and evening. I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did > radioactive iodine. the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill > after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat > that. Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my > heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the > night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to my chest and > when she is on my lap, holds on to me . I am very attached to her and do not > want to loose her so am hoping meds work. > my question is: does anyone know of alternative or better ways of > treating this? > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thursday, April 18, 2019 Arizona, USA Hi, This seems to be an epidemic-my second cat (Phoebe -13 yrs old) is just beginning to get high levels-with no other signs - like vomiting. Our new vet (just moved to AZ) was going to start her with a higher dose (.5) than my first one, KiKi- (.25) KiKi had extreme over-the-top levels -he was 14 when diagnosed and the previous vet prescribed the .25 dose 2x’s a day of Methimazoli I’m using a COMPOUND PHARMACY-in a liquid - using a syringe by mouth. Easy peezy ! I was concerned about the larger dose with a cat that was otherwise symptomless so I called the Vet & left a message- and explained my thoughts and asked if he wouldn’t reconsider a lower dose. He called back almost immediately and said he was glad I called-he had just been talking to some internists about Phoebe and they said they have NEW PROTOCOLS for dosing— they are now waiting for numbers to be more out of line before medicating. So no meds for Phoebe yet!, will recheck blood work in 3-4 months. I wrote all of that just to say-ask you vet more questions-if you aren’t using a compound pharmacy -try to find one-most will ship meds. I will _not_ use the other method simply because of the stress the older cat must endure - I think stress is more harmful than the “cure” is helpful. So, you must endure my my 2 cents❤️ Gloria-furmommy to 15 cats, most feralborn -g Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2019, at 12:12 PM, "dlg...@windstream.net" > wrote: > > Hello everyoone, > I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid > yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole > morning and evening. I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did > radioactive iodine. the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill > after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat > that. Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my > heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the > night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to my chest and > when she is on my lap, holds on to me I am very attached to her and do not > want to loose her so am hoping meds work. > my question is: does anyone know of alternative or better ways of treating > this? > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
