It will not become 48 bars. The time signature will change, but everything
else will remain the same.
--Richard
From: Bob Florence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How can I take a section of music (24 bars) in 4/4 and change it to cut time
(2/2). It will become 48 bars. Is there a Finale way or do I have
Click the Lyric Tool go to Lyrics (menu) Lyric Options. In the field
next to Space Between Hyphens enter a large number (mine is 1728, using EVPU
as the unit of measurement). This will stop Finale from entering so many
hyphens, usually in fact only entering one.
--Richard Huggins
From: George
Did you use the Special Tools Note Position Tool? Click it, then click on
the measure and all notes, incl. grace, should show a handle. Click a
specific handle or drag-enclose a group of handles and use your arrow keys
as desired.
If you did this and the notes won't move, that's a curiosity. One
From: Randolph Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Shouldn't word extensions only apply to moving notes and not to tied ones?
No, word extensions should apply to words sitting on tied notes. The
extension should go to the last tied note.
It seems as if the word extension plugins (both Finale's and
From: Randolph Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And the plug-ins DO give inconsistent results.
This particular plug-in has always been a little inconsistent. You just have
to live with it and correct the misses manually.
--Richard
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I hear trackballs are also good, but I could never get the hang of them.
- Darcy
I remember what the salesperson said when I bought my first trackball. She
said, You'll hate it for three days, then you'll never want to use anything
else. She was
Title: Re: [Finale] Feature request: stack windows instead of tiling
Mac users already know this, but for clarification I would point out that in pre-OSX, using Option-Click on the zoom button (otherwise called maxmimizing) does, in fact, cause the window to open to the full height and width of
You possibly already know that to *Finale* all those notes are in the same
stave. That's why it is not repeating the accidental. I think he'll have to
use the asterisk key on each occurance to get the accidental to appear. I
can't find any way to alter Finale's behaviour as regards repeating
I can't speak to version 4 stuff, but it works pretty well for me in 2k2.
When you say even when I drag them do you mean the articulations or the
notes? Are you entering the articulations when the notes are in their
original staff (before using cross staff)?
In case it helps if working on the
I chime in with the others. This is the first I've heard of such a notion;
it sounds like watercooler stuff. I recall an excellent choral conductor who
periodically would ask the group to sing for him their different dynamics,
i.e., Let me hear your mfLet me hear your p etc. The point was
If the various suggestions have failed, try the Swap One Font for Another
feature. Go to Options Data Check Swap One Font for Another. Under
Search for This Font enter the current font (and size if you know it, but if
that font is not being used for anything else you won't need to enter a
size)
I am wondering if either the actual Adobe Acrobat application or any other
app will let you select multiple files and then create one PDF of them? If
so, would it let you indicate which file comes first, which comes 2nd, etc.?
Would it start a new page with each file?
I do realize I can combine
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So how do I make the ENTIRE chord big enough to read? I want the chords to be
uniformly large enough throughout the whole score, and keep them from
overlapping each other also.
You can make them any size or font you want. To change the chord symbol
font, and or size,
The heartiest of congratulations to you, Dennis!! When the applause is
deafening, remember us little people on the ole Finale list(:)
Richard Huggins
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 22:39:26 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Finale] It's official
Would anyone else besides me like to have the ability to customize the zoom
percentages, so that using the zoom tool took the zoom to a user-determined
pecentage? For example, 200% on the first click might work for my 21
monitor, but doesn't for my laptop. I'd like to be able to set the
In general, it would be wonderful to have more global-setting capabilities
with Finale. Music editors everywhere would love it. I'm glad to hear about
the Patterson plug-in that mght help...with it could I, for example, change
the copyright footer on multiple files?
Richard
From: musighi [EMAIL
I have had situations where I did not have all the measures
(vertically) selected, e.g. the treble clef but not the bass clef. In
such a case, spacing routines don't seem to work completely, since the
other measures aren't provided to Finale to work with. This has been
the only incomplete
I was going to suggest Dennis's solution (shape expression, line thickness
=0, fill with white), but without trying also to create a slur to go with
it. You can create a shape of any size and shape, probably needing various
ones, and use them to white out various areas as needed. If the document
I'm doing a piano score. I have a situation where the displayed notation on
beat 4 is identical to beat 1 in the same measure, notes which have
accidentals. Due to the use of 8va in the earlier case but not in the
latter, the second occurance would be played at a different point on the
keys.
that if a spacing problem were encountered it would indeed be remedied,
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. If I choose another and it works by all relevant
criteria, what is the problem?
Richard
--- Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 21.01.2004 1:37 Uhr, Richard Huggins wrote
Below would be my choice as well
Sorry for my over-reaction. That's what happens when you reply after short
and intermittent sleep. Suffice it to say that it should be considered a
given that a spacing issue will be addressed by a competent engraver, it's
only a matter of which approach is used. Hopefully we can agree that as
Below would be my choice as well. As for the objection that it can't be used
if correct spacing were an issue, I ask why. Spacing is adjustable to make
room for this, using the beat chart for one thing.
Not even the shape designer would be absolutely needed. Select the line tool
from the smart
From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Since the A Tempo (indication) cancels the Accel. (modification), it's only
logical to make them the same style and place them in the same manner. The
score would be incredibly difficult to read otherwise.
I agree. I engrave quite a bit of keyboard
FWIW, I tested this with FinMac 2k2 and had no problem with Home key working
as expected when a speedy frame was active. I simple-entered notes in
measure 7, activated the Speedy frame in that measure, hit Home, and Finale
jumped to measure 1 (without a frame). I don't use the Auto Launch Speedy
George, go Options Select Default Fonts Notation and after that
item-by-item select Clef, Time Signature and whatever else you want smaller.
For each one, click the Set Font button and change the size for the selected
element from its default of 24 pt. to whatever you wish, i.e. 20 pt, 18 pt.
Sorry...I misunderstood your question. You could do it graphically, using
the Expression tool to create a shape expression for a larger sharp with
parentheses (and same for flat), then program a metatool for each of the
two. That would make for comparatively fast entry. They each would have to
be
I'm not so sure I agree with the statement very poor impression, except
that you could be speaking of your own preferences. If the files *print*
fine, why would a publisher balk over their on-screen appearance, being as
how their ultimate desination is not the screen? You never said that they
.
- Original Message -
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I'm not so sure I agree with the statement very poor impression, except
that you could be speaking of your own preferences. If the files *print*
fine, why would a publisher balk over their on-screen appearance, being
David, what would you say about Photoshop, which has gobs of plugins from
all kind of sources? That it was piss-poor programming on Adobe's part? Are
you kidding me?
Could it possibly be said that to provide for plug-ins is an innovative and
provisionary thing, even enabling entreprenurialism on
It's not Expose-like as such, but in the same vein as multiple screens, for
Mac users there's a software program for Macs called CodeTek VirtualDesktop
Pro that apparently gives you multiple (virtual) desktops. Expose is
supported by this software, too. Here's a description from their website:
I think at some point we risk straying into regional dialect, don't we? I
can guarantee you that there are southerners who are world champions at
reducing multi-syllabic words to just one or two!
--Richard
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A quick survey of the 14 people here in this
Interesting. Using the grace note from the Simple Entry pallette I had the
same result, whether following the time signature/key sig. (as in your gif)
or not.
I don't know if there's any setting that can be changed, but as a workaround
I found that if I entered those same notes as regular 16th
In my book it's still customary and preferable. By the way, I'd write your
example as op-'ning. A similar example, ev-'ning.
While o-pen-ing would be correct if the e were used (three syllables), when
the e is not spoken, the word changes its complexion, so to speak. You treat
it as if it were
, it disappears until you remove optimization for
that system.
--Richard Huggins
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Piano piece, all systems had been previously optimzied: Mass select all of
top staff (page or scroll view), '2' meta-key to expand. (Settings for
expand: to 2 staves, 1 note each staff
I acknowledge the frustration some of you feel, and some of the real-world
issues. But I'd just say to you MM employee/lurkers on the list, I
appreciate that you're trying to do this right, and that you're doing it for
a very small market share (us Mac users). Not that we're unimportant, of
For the stem-direction problem, you'll want to learn about setting Layer
options, which is the first thing I'd suspect if I grasp your problem
correctly. It seems that the imported file formed two layers. Options
Document Layer Options is where you go. You can click on the question mark
for
You can do what you said or you can create a special template for that
publisher that doesn't reflect every nook and cranny of your own.
My personal and likely very unpopular opinion is that the notion of not
sharing Finale files for the reasons usually stated is overblown. Having
been an editor
Again I have to put on my editor's hat and say that I fully understand the
publisher's position on this. He wants to know he can get his hands on the
original notation file if they decide to alter the original version, like
with a simplification, or perhaps to change title fonts and sizes to match
Experimenting with fonts and font sizes might be useful, if you haven't and
if it's your decision. Times 12, for example, is just slightly narrower than
Times New Roman 12. Helvetica 10 does away with serifs, yet is nicely
readable (at 9 too) probably beyond that if percentage-reduced. Of course
This may not be what you mean, but you can click on any measure with the
Mass Mover tool, then choose Change Note Size. Select the percentage you
want and everything in the measure is changed to that size. The lines and
spaces don't get reduced because they have to line up with the measures on
I didn't write the original question but I was interested in seeing if what
you said would indeed work on a measure of existing 16th notes (turning them
into tuplets). I repeated your steps and for me it did not work the way you
said. After setting Caps Lock and doing Option-3, I hit the 3 key on
Thanks much for this referral to Oasis Font
(http://www.oasisCD.com/music/FF_templates.html#1A). It should work great.
For others who may be curious, this font is offered free in both PC and Mac
versions. It includes various forms of c in a circle, p in a circle (serif,
sans serif, various
Center them one directly on top of the other above whichever note is lined
up with the beat, with the top number applying to the top note. Anything
else would be confusing and non-standard.
Richard H.
From: d. collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:03:11 +0100
To: [EMAIL
Click the Note Position tool in the Special Tools pallette, click the
measure where notes may have been moved, drag enclose all the handles, hit
the Delete key. Don't worry, they won't delete! They will snap back to their
default positions. Then reapply the spacing routines.
--Richard
From:
Thanks to all for the tips and suggestions.
As for WebDings, I have Mac version 1.00 and it does not include P in a
circle. According to Hans, version 1.01 does, so perhaps they had an Oops
moment after releasing 1.00.
Johannes pointed to where I can buy an entire font of P's in a circle for
$5,
From: David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't think that is necessary anymore -- the standard copyright notice
is all that is required these days, I believe.
I checked this out and it apparently still is required. For anyone
interested in reading exactly what it says about the three
-supplied fonts have it (but
perhaps I'm wrong). I also checked MetTimes and it wasn't there. Can anyone
steer me to a font that contains this, or otherwise suggest how I might
solve this need? Just curious: do any Windows fonts have it?
Richard Huggins
Go to Scroll View and under the Edit menu look at Special Part Extraction.
If it's checked, uncheck it. Update Layout and return to Page View. I
suspect the new staves will appear.
--Richard
From: Tom Godfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:47:19 -0500
To: Finale List [EMAIL
This message below was posted in a church music forum. I seem to recall this
was addressed on this list, but the SHSU HTML archives are broken again (at
least Sept and Oct), and I can't find anything on it in the Finale online
forum.
If there's an answer for this guy, I'd appreciate hearing it so
I've used ResEdit a little to assign a key combo to an oft-used menu command
in a few apps I like to use. I'm wondering if any of you Mac'ers ever
successfully used it for the same purpose in Finale? I do know that QuicKeys
and programmable mice can do this sort of thing, but I specifically am
How would you provide pages of a program CD?
--RH
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Proof of ownership must be provided by mailing the first second pages of the
table of contents in the user manual or original program CD.
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of the table of contents in the user manual) or (original program CD.)
Richard Huggins wrote:
How would you provide pages of a program CD?
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It just does not seem to fit the personality of the members of this list to
willingly give up an original program CD. Count me as surprised. (And once
copy protection comes into play I don't think burning a CD solves anything,
does it?)
However, the sending in of an earlier program CD (e.g.,
So let me get this straight, you hit the bass drum with a loaf of French
bread??
(:)
--Richard
P.S. Leads to possibilities where controlled consumption of the device can
be used to fine-tune the tonal response.
From: d. collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(*baguette* in french).
I know there are a few other notation programs out there, but If there were
no Finale, would there be a serious competitor to Sibelius (that INCLUDED
the Macintosh platform)? What would keep Sibelius honest and interested in
upgrading/improving their features?
--Richard
not
sure it has playback at all. There is no mention on their website of
playback that I could see.
The price is $595 full price, with $295 academic price. The output is
beautiful.
http://www.graphire.com to find out more.
Richard Huggins wrote:
I know there are a few other notation programs
Luckily for this list, I can translate Herbie's statement. What he said was:
...Sibelius does for me the things I need done. You know, half notes,
quarter notes, even eighth notes-- complex stuff like that. So I switched!
--Richard
From: Tim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003
From: Keef [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One person gave me three things upon seeing a different score that vastly
improved it without resorting to *any* nitpicking.
Maybe you never read in the Bible this passage from 1st Hesitations: 6:3:
Blessed are the nitpicky, for they shall inherit the engraving
committed to the Mac market and they're giving you $20 as a good-faith
gesture. You could have none of those things, but why?
--Richard Huggins
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When and how was this announced? The only thing on the Finalemusic.com
website is a simple blurb under the Order Now button that now gives a will
ship no earlier than 12/15/03 statement.
Was there a more fully-developed announcement made?
Richard
I ditto the reply below. I do this in my Outlook Express and it works
perfectly. Include the [ and ] brackets unless you want any occurance of the
word finale in the Subject to be routed to the Finale folder, which you
may.
--Richard
From: Daniel Dorff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In Tools | Message
From: Philip Aker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thing is (on Mac anyway) the manuals, both PDF and QuickHelp
types are rendered in separate applications so an interruption is
guaranteed. It would be much cleaner if they could be rendered directly
to a Finale window. With F2K3 or lower the system
I stumbled across this ... maybe you serious users of Acrobat already know
about it ... but it's a plug-in (I think) that offers quite a bit of
enhanced security, distribution control, printing, all sorts of things for
PDF documents. Just thought I'd mention it.
http://www.fileopen.com/
several pitches at once, but just using one section I entered
(Change) G# and (To) Ab. It worked perfectly for all measures.
Richard Huggins
From: Robert Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Ars Nova Technologies, LLC
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:07:30 -0500
Yes, I used # for sharp and b for flat. And I didn't designate a pitch
number either, such as G4. Just G# and Ab. By the way, I tried this on
two-note chords--since you had mentioned that--and also tried it on multiple
G# pitch locations over two measures and all of them changed to Ab.
Obviously
From: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A puzzle: I used an existing file, created in WinFin2k3, emptied it, filled it
with new notes (easy because of same layout etc.). But now I cannot get a good
music spacing, as if Finale remembers the old notes, weird.
First, make sure the systems are
I run Mac F2k2 using OS 8.6 on a non-G3 Powerbook 3400 with 3GB HD space,
SCSCI-connected to a Powerbook 1400 (acting as a SCSI drive) for a total of
6 GB. The external PB is full up and the main PB has 1MB available. Until I
can upgrade my CPU I will upgrade to OS 9 ( since I can't run OS X) and
You mean that if, for example, the left margin were x centimeters, you'd
want the margin on that one stave to be x-1 centimeters? I don't know how
you'd do that (I couldn't) but why not make the other staves x PLUS 1
creating a similar effect?
Richard
From: Steve Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh...DUH to me... All you have to do is UNcheck Avoid Margin Collisions in
the Page Layout menu, then in the Edit Systems box set the left value to a
negative number.
--Richard
From: Steve Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:15:29 -0400
To: finale mailing list [EMAIL
Ray, your statement is curious to me. First I'm not exactly certain what you
mean by mere alteration of the printed pitch. What's mere about it? Are
you suggesting that a ledger-line note is more respected than a note with an
8va on it?
Second, are you saying that the performer might arbitrarily
Geez, Roy...you took my message way wrong. When I said curious, that's
exactly and only what I meant. Nothing more and most certainly nothing
adversarial!
That being said, I can relate to the notion of the player second-guessing
something that seems to be an example of an arranger or composer who
Sorry...I did not think about the digest when I supported occasional
attachments. Your point is well taken.
Persons without access to a website can create a free one on geocities.com
and probably a few other places as well, and easily upload simple graphics
for web reference by others.
RH
You can't use Copy to copy a measure to the Clipboard, then Paste it onto
another measure of music but get only the articulations. You CAN, however,
use the Opt.-Click method (that's the Mac way) and it works great. With the
MM tool, highlight the measure(s) containing the articulations you want
I'm just wondering how many of you have a Finale (or Finale/MIDI)-dedicated
workstation? That is, a computer/MIDI set-up that only is for the purpose of
engraving and perhaps related activities (such as MIDI sequencing, maybe
audio processing). In other words, your Internet, business activities,
From: Craig Parmerlee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is like some tortured game of whack-a-mole.
Great imagery!!
--RH
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By as documented I meant that Auto Space/Update is not *supposed*to be
invoked when the speedy frame advances to the next measure. In other words,
it doesn't update because it is working as designed. However, it should be
invoked whenever the speedy frame goes away, by whatever means it does go
I'm using 2003 on Mac OS 8.6 and, as documented, Auto Update/Spacing is not
invoked when Speedy moves from one measure to the next. But when anything
causes the Speedy frame to go away, Auto Update/Spacing should take place,
including if I click on MM tool while the frame still is showing. By the
Can we expect this current spam attack to die a natural death or is it
self-perpetuating, ad infinitum? It's quite a problem at present.
--Richard
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We system-reducers have led you page-reducers to water. Will you drink?
I'm just curious about one facet of all this...the example (which has been
mentioned previously) of different pages having different reductions. I am
sensing that this
Not to state the obvious (but going ahead and doing so, in case it benefits
someone else), if I go to system reduction I'll have to reduce the font size
of the page text blocks by an equal percentage of the page reduction
percentage I used to use, if I want the newly-printed music to look similar
I presume that what you know works is the latter of the two options you
suggested below, because when this all started being discussed I tried the
former and it does not work. For one thing, the thickness of the line is
reduced proportionally. So if you get it short enough by using something
like
Considering lyrics
Lyrics on an 80% page with 100% systems would be 80% of 12 points (for
example), right? (In other words, the 100% system setting does not stop the
lyrics from being reduced by the page reduction. Or am I wrong?) Return the
page to 100% they go to full 12 point but reduce
I'm curious if that $2500 included engraving/score prep or if you (or
someone) got extra for that. Typically do you include that in your
commissions?
Richard
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:23:17 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Finale] Re:
From: Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I find it absolutely impossible to count hours spent composing,
especially since, as has been pointed out somewhere, so much of the
composing process looks like goofing off.
Funny remark, but true. There is a lot of thinking, tinkering, doing,
Click Assignment has its degree of usefullness, but I sure as heck wish
they'd replace the click part. I hate moving the mouse to the next
syllable, clicking, then rinse and repeat to the end. I would like to be
able to use keystrokes to do this, for the sake of speed.
I don't share such a
Or at least an option that might say something such as, Add to Same Library
in Default Document? So that next time you open your default document, that
whatever has been added. Good idea.
RH
From: Noel Stoutenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd like to ask that Finale be modified so that when one has
Here is a thorough (and interesting) history of Happy Birthday.
http://www.attachemag.com/archives/01-02/story2/story2.htm
--Richard
From: helgesen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow! What a great question for a trivia night! Any idea when- and where? I
guess UK or USA- but that's only by the ladies
I can't think of many justifications for persisting with something that by
all reasonable evaluation torments the twin causes of readibility and
playability.
--Richard
From: Chuck Israels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As Dave has observed, the saxophone parts are unnecessarily
difficult to read with
From: John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was written by a couple of American sisters and published in (I
think) the 1890s with the text, Good morning to you, etc. So the
melody and those words are public domain. The Happy Birthday text
was published in the 1930s, and is still under copyright
From: helgesen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is it possible to insert hairpins -(cresendo up or down) to show on all
staves in a score.
I know one is offered a choice in Expressions- i.e. Show on all staves or
this Stave only -but is such a choice offered on appropriate smart shapes.
I accept it
Diverting from your question, I'm curious as to what you think is your
advantage in keeping these individual pieces all in one file? I've arranged
--and engraved for the publisher-- four piano collections of 10-12 pieces
each, and I can't think of any advantage, but CAN think of enormous
: [Finale] Plugin wish (another one for Tobias?)
On 13.09.2003 20:40 Uhr, Richard Huggins wrote
Diverting from your question, I'm curious as to what you think is your
advantage in keeping these individual pieces all in one file? I've arranged
--and engraved for the publisher-- four piano
Two sisters, Mildred and Patty Hill, wrote it. Summy-Birchard, Inc. controls
the copyright. Yes, it is a royalty-earning song everytime it is heard on TV
or movies.
Wish I'd written it!
Richard
From: helgesen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK- here's a thought. Who wrote Happy Birthday- and when?
I
If you change the settings in the System Scaling area of the Page Format for
Score defaults to whatever scale it is you have changed the existing staffs
to, any new ones will take on those same dimensions.
Richard
From: Ray Horton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:59:26 -0400
To:
Are you talking about a vertical line, like a barline except in the middle
of a measure? If so, you wouldn't want it solid, you'd want it broken
(dashed). You can do it by using the dashed line tool from the Smart Shape
pallette. Press Shift, double-click at the top of the measure and drag
On a double-stemmed, unison dotted note, where two layers have been involved
in creating the unison, Finale will put only one dot if the note's on a
space but two (one above, one below) it it's on a line.
I don't know if there's a notational standard for this situation, but I
don't recall seeing
From: Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK, how do I (in FinMac 2K2) put a cautionary key and time change
into a measure when the following measure does not in fact change
time or key? This comes up because a first ending requires these
cautions (the measure to wh. it jumps has the new key
Perhaps this is not as compelling an argument, but I think seeing the
C-naturals affects the players in a positive way as they convey the overall
blues feel, if you will. It's all metaphysical, I suppose, but then so is
follow-through on a golf swing...
-Richard
From: Chuck Israels [EMAIL
Beta you den me, boss!
RH
From: Bruce Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:22:55 -0700
To: Richard Huggins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Finale] ARRRGH
From: Richard Huggins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe the beta testers found a flaw in the original shirt
RH
From: Craig Parmerlee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If the drag operation can't copy everything, then it ought to be disabled
altogether.
Oh man--I'm going to mark that comment up to sheer frustration and fatigue!
You would disable everything else the feature can do (and rob us all)
because it won't do
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