Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-15 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Jul 2002, at 22:24, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 06:59 PM 7/14/02 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: The GM specification has patch 46 for pizzicato strings. I see nothing defective or inadequate in the default interpretation for typing pizz into the scoring being a switch to that

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 10:53 PM 7/13/02 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: On 13 Jul 2002, at 10:27, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 10:04 AM 7/12/02 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: I'm no MIDI whiz, and have never worked with an expensive string module, so I've never seen a synthesizer that had distinct violin,

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-14 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 6:59 AM 07/13/02, Philip Aker wrote: [...] I reckon it would take about 3 months casual examination of Alpha to attain the kind of overview needed to see the cross-over potential to Finale Expression MetaTools. [...] Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're talking about here, but it sounds

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-14 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 12:26 PM 07/13/02, Johannes Gebauer wrote: You use the cursor down key to scroll further in the list. This is how it works in my version of Internet Explorer (Mac). Oh, OK. If the down arrow is enabled then that's fine. In a lot of name windows I've encountered (eg, any font selection

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-14 Thread Philip Aker
On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 05:55 AM, Mark D. Lew wrote: [...] I reckon it would take about 3 months casual examination of Alpha to attain the kind of overview needed to see the cross-over potential to Finale Expression MetaTools. [...] Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're talking

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:59 PM 7/14/02 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: The GM specification has patch 46 for pizzicato strings. I see nothing defective or inadequate in the default interpretation for typing pizz into the scoring being a switch to that patch. It's a step backwards, a dumb-down. Now is the time to

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 13.07.2002 8:06 Uhr, Mark D. Lew wrote Something else I don't think we've mentioned yet is that it's quite likely that a comprehensive list of expressions will have more than one with the same text (eg, different typestyle, different playback, etc.). With just type-in-score keyed off the

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-13 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 10:11 AM 07/13/02, Johannes Gebauer wrote: [answering me] Something else I don't think we've mentioned yet is that it's quite likely that a comprehensive list of expressions will have more than one with the same text (eg, different typestyle, different playback, etc.). With just

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 13.07.2002 8:06 Uhr, Mark D. Lew wrote As I mentioned, type-in-score isn't a priority for me anyway. I'm more interested in expanding metatools. How about two-letter metatools? How about a window that lets me edit my metatool assignments more efficiently? Of course, if you expand

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 13.07.2002 12:27 Uhr, Mark D. Lew wrote With just type in score? I confess my ignorance. How? It seems to me you need the mouse to get at the bottom ones. Yes, I have used a browser with auto-complete, but I can't recall ever having a list with two identical items on it. What happens

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-13 Thread David H. Bailey
Mark D. Lew wrote: At 10:11 AM 07/13/02, Johannes Gebauer wrote: [answering me] Something else I don't think we've mentioned yet is that it's quite likely that a comprehensive list of expressions will have more than one with the same text (eg, different typestyle, different playback,

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-13 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:26 PM 7/13/02 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 13.07.2002 12:27 Uhr, Mark D. Lew wrote Yes, I have used a browser with auto-complete, but I can't recall ever having a list with two identical items on it. What happens when you get to the end of the name and both items are still there?

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-13 Thread Philip Aker
On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 05:01 AM, Mark D. Lew wrote: All right, maybe now is a good time for a thorough discussion of the whole system of expression metatools. I've see a wide variety of complaints and requests about expressions in this discussion, and it seems to me that

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-13 Thread Philip Aker
On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 07:04 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: I'm no MIDI whiz, and have never worked with an expensive string module, so I've never seen a synthesizer that had distinct violin, viola and cello pizzicato patches. General MIDI doesn't have them, it has only the one

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-13 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 10:04 AM 7/12/02 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: I'm no MIDI whiz, and have never worked with an expensive string module, so I've never seen a synthesizer that had distinct violin, viola and cello pizzicato patches. General MIDI doesn't have them, it has only the one orchestral pizzicato

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 12 Jul 2002, at 13:38, Mark D. Lew wrote: At 9:46 AM 07/12/02, David W. Fenton wrote: [...] I also think the display only attribute should be one of things you could override on individual expressions. I still think an expression should be definable as display only, but it would be nice

[Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-12 Thread Mark D. Lew
[If I've remember the address right, this is cc to Coda tech support. Those who use reply to all might want to remove them from any replies.] At 11:18 PM 07/09/02, Johannes Gebauer wrote: BTW, I would guess that now is a good time to send in feature requests to Coda, perhaps the feature set for

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-12 Thread Philip Aker
Awesome post Mark, Easily the longest on topic post ever made to this list since I've been on it. I will have to consider it over the weekend. Best regards, Philip On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 05:01 AM, Mark D. Lew wrote: [If I've remember the address right, this is cc to Coda tech

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-12 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Having read a lot of posts on this now, I feel a lot of people just confuse UI questions with technical stuff. I don't see why much of Finale's storing and handling of expressions and metatools has to be changed at all, instead I would suggest that a lot of improvement could be implemented by

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-12 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 4:47 PM 07/12/02, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Having read a lot of posts on this now, I feel a lot of people just confuse UI questions with technical stuff. I don't see why much of Finale's storing and handling of expressions and metatools has to be changed at all, instead I would suggest that a

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-12 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 1:38 PM -0800 7/12/02, Mark D. Lew wrote: Anyway, what happens to expressions that are in a music font? If I've got an expression which is the pedal marking, it's going to show up on the list under opt-shift-8?? That's crazy. I want to list it as something like Ped. Users who are less

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-12 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 12.07.2002 23:38 Uhr, Mark D. Lew wrote Maybe I'm misunderstanding again, but it sounds like one thing where you and I differ is that I want every item on the list (whether it's the expression itself or the expression *assignment*, which I was equating with metatools) to be keyed off the

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-12 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 12.07.2002 23:38 Uhr, Mark D. Lew wrote Anyway, what happens to expressions that are in a music font? If I've got an expression which is the pedal marking, it's going to show up on the list under opt-shift-8?? That's crazy. I want to list it as something like Ped. Users who are less

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-12 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 5:45 PM 07/12/02, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: Yes, this has been an issue for Jazzfont users who want to type chords into score. The nicely stacked 7(#11b13#9) chord suffix shows up as a single character, and I am darned if I can remember which one it is! THere are 80 or so pre-aligned stacks

Re: [Finale] Metatools/type in score (long)

2002-07-12 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 11:51 PM 07/12/02, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I think we have to be realistic here: I doubt very much that Coda is going to change the way expressions work in such a fundamental way that they are going to give expressions names that are separate from the actual text. I don't object to the