[Christopher B. J. Smith:]
I don't know whether this is universal, but the way I was taught when
writing concert-pitch scores, octave-transposing instruments such as
picc, contrabassoon, glock, and double bass are written in the octave
read by the player regardless. This seems to fly in
On 2002/10/14 03:42 AM or thereabouts, Michael Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
intoned:
[Darcy James Argue:]
Again, this problem is easily avoided by using octave-transposing clefs for
octave-transposing instruments.
Are they those treble or bass clefs sometimes found in more recent scores
At 8:21 PM -0400 10/13/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 2002/10/13 07:22 PM or thereabouts, Christopher BJ Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] intoned:
Again, this problem is easily avoided by using octave-transposing clefs for
octave-transposing instruments.
- Darcy
But that brings up another
At 5:42 AM -0400 10/14/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
However, I believe that octave-transposing clefs are becoming more common
even in transposed scores, and sometimes even in the instrumental parts.
For instance, nowadays I sometimes see the 8vb treble clef used in guitar
music.
- Darcy
Hmm,
Le lundi, 14 oct 2002, à 09:00 America/Montreal, Christopher BJ Smith a
écrit :
At 5:42 AM -0400 10/14/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
However, I believe that octave-transposing clefs are becoming more
common
even in transposed scores, and sometimes even in the instrumental
parts.
For
On 13.10.2002 14:43 Uhr, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote
At 01:16 PM 10/13/02 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Just imagine the nightmare in the orchestra pit, when the
conductor asks are you playing a B flat or a B natural there, and the
clarinetist starts trying to work out what the hell the
Darcy James Argue wrote:
That is a trivial problem when using a concert pitch score
(or score in C, or whatever you wanna call it). [...]
The real problem are the horns, which will require either excessive ledger
lines, or numerous clef changes, many of which will not be needed in the
part.
On 2002/10/13 03:17 PM or thereabouts, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
intoned:
Only if you assume that we stupid Americans can only read treble and bass
clefs. Remember that the moveable C clefs are also concert pitch. You
can't read them? Why not? Become fluent in reading all 9 moveable
Dennis wrote:
And in the real orchestra pit in East Bumstock, how many performances
actually use instruments in the keys as specified in the score? Or even the
instruments themselves as specified?
Huh Either I don't understand the intended humor, or that's a slightly
naive question. Are
At 03:10 PM 10/13/02 -0500, John Howell wrote:
Are you suggesting that orchestral clarinetists don't have
both A and Bb clarinets? Or that violists try to play their parts on
violins? Or ... or what?
A least four real-life examples that have happened to me (in performance):
Right on #1!
At 5:58 AM -0400 10/13/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
At any rate, there is an incredible amount of unreasonable prejudice against
concert pitch scores. It's like the musical equivalent of speaking with a
southern accent -- it's guaranteed to make people instantly assume you're an
idiot. (This
At 6:09 PM +1000 10/13/02, helgesen wrote:
Do advocates of non-transposed scores enjoy 6 or 7 leger lines in Picc,
Glock, Bass Tuba, or ContraBassoon? are these 'acceptable' exceptions?
Regards, Keith in OZ
Bass tuba is non-transposing, and they are as used to 6 ledger lines
below the staff as
On 2002/10/13 04:23 PM or thereabouts, Christopher BJ Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] intoned:
I don't know whether this is universal, but the way I was taught when
writing concert-pitch scores, octave-transposing instruments such as
picc, contrabassoon, glock, and double bass are written in the
At 5:17 PM -0400 10/13/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 2002/10/13 04:23 PM or thereabouts, Christopher BJ Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] intoned:
I don't know whether this is universal, but the way I was taught when
writing concert-pitch scores, octave-transposing instruments such as
picc,
On 2002/10/13 07:22 PM or thereabouts, Christopher BJ Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] intoned:
Again, this problem is easily avoided by using octave-transposing clefs for
octave-transposing instruments.
- Darcy
But that brings up another problem, which is that those instruments
do not read
, October 13, 2002 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Transposed vs. concert pitch.
The main argument against this for me, as someone who has done a fair
amount of conducting, is that after you have studied all the
instruments and their characteristic sound in different parts of their
range, I would much
In a message dated 13/10/2002 00:33:35 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It seems to me that score-reading would be
simplified to a very great degree if all parts were written at actual pitch and
in the appropriate clef - and I have seen this done in some 20th-century scores.
I find
On 2002/10/13 04:09 AM or thereabouts, helgesen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
intoned:
Do advocates of non-transposed scores enjoy 6 or 7 leger lines in Picc,
Glock, Bass Tuba, or ContraBassoon? are these 'acceptable' exceptions?
Oh, come now. That is a trivial problem when using a concert pitch score
At 06:09 PM 10/13/02 +1000, helgesen wrote:
Do advocates of non-transposed scores enjoy 6 or 7 leger lines in Picc,
Glock, Bass Tuba, or ContraBassoon? are these 'acceptable' exceptions?
All my scores since 1968 are only at concert pitch, except for
octave-transposing instruments (which are so
At 01:16 PM 10/13/02 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Just imagine the nightmare in the orchestra pit, when the
conductor asks are you playing a B flat or a B natural there, and the
clarinetist starts trying to work out what the hell the conductor is talking
about, do you mean that C - (it is a C
At 8:43 AM -0400 10/13/02, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 01:16 PM 10/13/02 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Just imagine the nightmare in the orchestra pit, when the
conductor asks are you playing a B flat or a B natural there, and the
clarinetist starts trying to work out what the hell the
Michael Edwards wrote:
[snip]
Well, I have to grant that players of transposing instruments are not used
to reading parts at concert pitch - but now that we can use computers to notate
music, there would seem to be something to be said for producing scores written
at concert pitch, but,
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