Re: A slippery slope? (Henry Schaffer)

2016-09-03 Thread Lowell Savage
If an AR-style receiver is sold as a handgun, then is it illegal to put a
shoulder stock on it?  (Unless you've registered it as an NFA firearm?)

That's not a slippery slope, that's a catch-22 trap!

Lowell Savage
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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 11:13:45 -0400
From: Henry Schaffer 
To: firearmsregprof 

I heard from a gun shop owner that a lower receiver for an AR-15 (i.e. the
part with the serial number) is now considered to be a handgun and that the
sales/transfer regulations are those for handguns rather than long guns.

I looked up the 4473 form at
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-ov
er-counter-atf-form-53009/download
and Question 18 has a category for receiver under "Other Firearm" separate
from handguns and long guns.

The instructions for Question 18 include, "If a frame or receiver can only
be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver
not a handgun or long gun."

So apparently a receiver which "can" be made into a handgun is considered to
be a handgun, and treated as such.

What receivers can not be made into handguns?

--henry schaffer

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Re: The slippery slope is alive and doing well in Canada.

2008-11-13 Thread Henry E Schaffer
Joseph writes:
 http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/Commentary/2008/11/13/7392891.html 

prohibiting the carrying of knives with blades longer than four inches

  I remember when I could carry a smallish pocket knife on an airline as
long as the blade was  2 1/2.  Now a blade 1 long is prohibited.  
e.g. see
http://theeverymanblog.wordpress.com/2007/11/13/and-thentheres-the-tsa/
I used to carry a small Victorinix Swiss Army knife just like the one in
the blog photo - no longer.

  So I wonder how the safety concious Canadians will be able to accept a
4 blade?
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Re: The slippery slope is alive and doing well in Canada.

2008-11-13 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 09:06:33PM -0600, Joseph E. Olson wrote:
 A Comment from the cited website.
  
 [quote]It’s all an inconsistent charade. The sole purpose is to delude the
 American public into conflating harassment with security.

It's what security consultant Bruce Schneier calls security theater:
things undertaken not to actually improve security but to make (some)
people feel more secure.

Here's a good explanation of the term:

Schneier on Security

A blog covering security and security technology.

January 25, 2007
In Praise of Security Theater

While visiting some friends and their new baby in the hospital last
week, I noticed an interesting bit of security. To prevent infant
abduction, all babies had RFID tags attached to their ankles by a
bracelet. There are sensors on the doors to the maternity ward, and if
a baby passes through, an alarm goes off.

Infant abduction is rare, but still a risk. In the last 22 years,
about 233 such abductions have occurred in the United States. About 4
million babies are born each year, which means that a baby has a
1-in-375,000 chance of being abducted. Compare this with the infant
mortality rate in the U.S. -- one in 145 -- and it becomes clear where
the real risks are.

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/in_praise_of_se.html


Airline Security a Waste of Cash
Bruce Schneier 12.01.05

Since 9/11, our nation has been obsessed with air-travel
security. Terrorist attacks from the air have been the threat that
looms largest in Americans' minds. As a result, we've wasted millions
on misguided programs to separate the regular travelers from the
suspected terrorists -- money that could have been spent to actually
make us safer.

Consider CAPPS and its replacement, Secure Flight. These are programs
to check travelers against the 30,000 to 40,000 names on the
government's No-Fly list, and another 30,000 to 40,000 on its Selectee
list.

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2005/12/69712

Fell free to check his blog as well. If some of the skepticism about
gun control exhibited on this list carries over to security in
general, I think folks here will find it
enlightening. http://www.schneier.com/blog/

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