HTTP Errors option in Net tab?

2009-08-05 Thread Offroadcode

Can I add this to the wish list, either a generic HTTP status's tab to
show anything other than a 200 status or seperate tabs for 404's,
500's and then one for any others?

Filtering would be real nice too, I've got a tracking script on one of
our sites which just fills the .net panel with polling every 5
seconds, would be lovely to filter that one out (on domain, string
contains, etc.)

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Re: FF 3.5.1 fireBug 1.5X.0a20 reload to activate issue still present

2009-08-05 Thread Zac Spitzer

it's a maddening bug,

steps to reproduce.

1. try and click on the firebug icon to toggle firebug
2. click on the firebug icon and there's a popup window
3. turn firebug off for all pages

reload the website, the described problem is seen

4. click the icon and turn firebug on for all sites

reload the website, no problem

the easy solution is to make the options menu have
all the firebug options in one place ( as expected )

there's nothing wrong with some being duplicating
in two places

z


On Jul 30, 3:13 pm, dk dean.kar...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have it working now.  THanks for your help.  I finally uninstalled
 everything Mozilla related and then reinstalled ff and fb.  It seems
 to be fine now.

 cheers

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Re: Return FB window to the page's window in 1.4?

2009-08-05 Thread ed

Nope.  Doesn't work.
I have FB open in an external window.
Click the 'x' to close
Clicking the firebug in lower-right corner of FF does nothing.
I can right-click and choose open firebug in a new window, which it
does.
FF 3.0.12 en-US, FB 1.4.2
--ed

On Aug 4, 5:02 pm, Nicolas Hatier nicolas.hat...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just close the external Firebug window. Firebug will then be
 minimized, clicking on the bug will open it in the browser.

 NH

 Bob Hassinger wrote:
  I asked this a few days ago in googlegroups but have not seen an answer:

  A question about 1.4:

  I think there have been discussions of the way you get FB to open in  
  it's own window.  Between confusion about the terminology and the  
  passage of time I could use a reminder about that.

  When you open within the window for the page you are concerned with  
  you still have what I see on the Mac as a ^ the moves FB to the new  
  window.  What I am having trouble with is finding how to get it back  
  into the window with the page. You used to be able to do that, but in  
  1.4 I can't find it.

  Is the intent in 1.4 that once you have moved FB to it's own window  
  that it stays there, or am I just missing something?

  Bob


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Re: Latest updates Firebug

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton

Hi Emile. If you can be more specific about the problems you have and
the version of Firebug you are using, then we determine the cause of
your problem. jjb

On Aug 5, 2:25 am, Emile emile.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
 What's up with the latest releases of Firebug? Everybody I know is
 pissed off about the updates. Firebug doesn't work like it used to do.
 When opening FB it stays open in other tabs. Please fix this, it's
 frustrating!
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Re: Return FB window to the page's window in 1.4?

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton

ed,

Please install the tracing version of Firebug, trace with ACTIVATION
and ERRORS, and post the trace to the issues list.  See
http://groups.google.com/group/firebug/web/faq-about-firebug.

jjb

On Aug 5, 6:29 am, ed eschie...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nope.  Doesn't work.
 I have FB open in an external window.
 Click the 'x' to close
 Clicking the firebug in lower-right corner of FF does nothing.
 I can right-click and choose open firebug in a new window, which it
 does.
 FF 3.0.12 en-US, FB 1.4.2
 --ed

 On Aug 4, 5:02 pm, Nicolas Hatier nicolas.hat...@gmail.com wrote:

  Just close the external Firebug window. Firebug will then be
  minimized, clicking on the bug will open it in the browser.

  NH

  Bob Hassinger wrote:
   I asked this a few days ago in googlegroups but have not seen an answer:

   A question about 1.4:

   I think there have been discussions of the way you get FB to open in  
   it's own window.  Between confusion about the terminology and the  
   passage of time I could use a reminder about that.

   When you open within the window for the page you are concerned with  
   you still have what I see on the Mac as a ^ the moves FB to the new  
   window.  What I am having trouble with is finding how to get it back  
   into the window with the page. You used to be able to do that, but in  
   1.4 I can't find it.

   Is the intent in 1.4 that once you have moved FB to it's own window  
   that it stays there, or am I just missing something?

   Bob
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Re: FF 3.5.1 fireBug 1.5X.0a20 reload to activate issue still present

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton



On Aug 5, 4:17 am, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com wrote:
 it's a maddening bug,

Zac, I can't figure out what bug you are discussing...


 steps to reproduce.

 1. try and click on the firebug icon to toggle firebug

I don't understand this step. try and? Did you mean to say click on
the firebug status bar icon?  What happens then?

 2. click on the firebug icon and there's a popup window

I don't understand this step. If you clicked on the status bar icon in
#1, then Firebug is open. What popup window? Is it Firebug's window?

 3. turn firebug off for all pages

What did you do here? I guess right click Firebug status bar icon,
menu select Off for all pages?


 reload the website, the described problem is seen

What problem?


 4. click the icon and turn firebug on for all sites

 reload the website, no problem

Ok so do you have a problem or not?


 the easy solution is to make the options menu have
 all the firebug options in one place ( as expected )

What is the problem?  The post you quote below says everything is
fine


 there's nothing wrong with some being duplicating
 in two places

 z

 On Jul 30, 3:13 pm, dk dean.kar...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have it working now.  THanks for your help.  I finally uninstalled
  everything Mozilla related and then reinstalled ff and fb.  It seems
  to be fine now.

  cheers
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How to change UI translation to english version?

2009-08-05 Thread Arech

Hi all!

Can somebody explain how to switch UI translation of Firebug back to
english version?
There is a native language pack (RU) bundled with =1.4.1 version and
it is very bad. Some vital terms a translated incorrectly.
How to switch the language back to english?

Thanks.

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Re: Latest updates Firebug

2009-08-05 Thread Jon

Agree, completely.
I'm using 1.4.2 and I don't like how there's like an On/Off button.
It should always be running like before, because I didn't need to
differentiate between HIDDEN and off, and default to minimized like
it was before.  I dont wanna turn it off I just wanna hide it for a
while until i hit f12, and not have to REFRESH the page to see what
HTTP requests were just sent.  It seemed easier before, now there are
extra steps.
I also don't like the new Inspect button without Inspect text, it's
tough to find now and it was one of the most utilized buttons.



  What's up with the latest releases of Firebug? Everybody I know is
  pissed off about the updates. Firebug doesn't work like it used to do.
  When opening FB it stays open in other tabs. Please fix this, it's
  frustrating!

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Tiny MCE cause Firebug cannot find _firebugConsole element true Window page

2009-08-05 Thread sir_brizz

I have a page with tiny mce on it, as soon as I added tiny mce I
started getting that message:

Firebug cannot find _firebugConsole element true Window url

The tiny mce init looks like:

http://pastie.org/572722

thebigreason is a skin for tiny from:

http://thebigreason.com/blog/2008/09/29/thebigreason-tinymce-skin

On the page in question, I have three tiny mce instances being
created. I get that message on the console three times.
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Re: Latest updates Firebug

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton

Sorry I can't make out what the issue are here. Maybe these posts will
help:
http://blog.getfirebug.com/2009/07/20/firebug-1-4-activation/
http://blog.getfirebug.com/2009/07/15/minimizing-firebug-1-4/

jjb

On Aug 5, 8:41 am, Jon jonat...@aurared.com wrote:
 Agree, completely.
 I'm using 1.4.2 and I don't like how there's like an On/Off button.
 It should always be running like before, because I didn't need to
 differentiate between HIDDEN and off, and default to minimized like
 it was before.  I dont wanna turn it off I just wanna hide it for a
 while until i hit f12, and not have to REFRESH the page to see what
 HTTP requests were just sent.  It seemed easier before, now there are
 extra steps.
 I also don't like the new Inspect button without Inspect text, it's
 tough to find now and it was one of the most utilized buttons.



   What's up with the latest releases of Firebug? Everybody I know is
   pissed off about the updates. Firebug doesn't work like it used to do.
   When opening FB it stays open in other tabs. Please fix this, it's
   frustrating!
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Re: Tiny MCE cause Firebug cannot find _firebugConsole element true Window page

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton

I worked a bit on another poster's example involving tinyMCE, but they
didn't post bug report and I lost track of the newgroup entry.

What I recall was that somehow the page has two mozilla
'windows' (nsIDOMWindows), one visible, one mysterious. The cannot
find message is coming from the mystery window. The command line
works fine in the visible one.

jjb

On Aug 5, 8:59 am, sir_brizz bj.car...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a page with tiny mce on it, as soon as I added tiny mce I
 started getting that message:

 Firebug cannot find _firebugConsole element true Window url

 The tiny mce init looks like:

 http://pastie.org/572722

 thebigreason is a skin for tiny from:

 http://thebigreason.com/blog/2008/09/29/thebigreason-tinymce-skin

 On the page in question, I have three tiny mce instances being
 created. I get that message on the console three times.
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Re: Tiny MCE cause Firebug cannot find _firebugConsole element true Window page

2009-08-05 Thread Jim Biancolo

On Aug 5, 12:46 pm, johnjbarton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote:
 I worked a bit on another poster's example involving tinyMCE, but they
 didn't post bug report and I lost track of the newgroup entry.

I'm sorry, I'm the poster on the other thread, and have had to work
around the problem for now as I have a big deadline looming.  I
haven't forgotten though, and will install the tracing version of FB
soon, hopefully next week.

Jim
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Re: firebug performance problem w/web application

2009-08-05 Thread Ed Abrams

Hello,

Here is my platform: Mac OSX Leopard (10.5.7).

Here is my browser: Firefox 3.5.2 (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0
(Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.2) Gecko/20090729
Firefox/3.5.2)

Here is my Firebug: 1.4.2

Problem: Crazy-bad performance in any window under test case

Test case:
 * open firefox 3.5 and several tabs
 * in one tab, go to gmail.com
 * disable firebug
 * go to gmail.com
 * verify that performance in all cases is normal
 * enable firebug
 * enable every firebug panel EXCEPT console (disabled)
 * verify that performance in all cases is normal
 * enable the CONSOLE
 * in gmail, click 'compose message'
 * start typing

PROBLEM: the performance has become so bad that the characters you're
typing only appear at a rate of 1 character per second.  Every other
tab and window is also performance-hit.  If you try, you can get the
'stop script' dialog to appear, which cites a Firebug script, lib.js,
at line 1176 (I think -- I should double check) as being the lagging
line.

I hope this helps.

-Eddie



On Aug 4, 3:21 pm, Prefontim prefon...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I am also getting extremely slow performance with Firebug 1.4.x on FF
 3.0.  Firebug 1.3.3 did not have this issue.  I disabled all other
 plug-ins, but that did not help.  Then, I tested it on a new profile,
 and that did not help either.  Firebug is too slow to be usable at
 this point.  I will have to use 1.3.3 (which is also almost too buggy
 to be usable) for now.

 On Aug 4, 10:38 am, ak732 ask...@gmail.com wrote:

  @SteveG:

  I am seeing pretty good performance across all tabs at this point.  I
  can pretty much just leave firebug on all the time now w/out seeing
  any undue performance hit.  At least on any sites I've visited
  recently.

  Note that the ipv6 fix had nothing to do with Firebug itself.  It was
  purely a WinVista/Firefox performance issue.  I only thought it was
  Firebug originally because it occurred coincidentally w/my creating a
  new Firefox profile to try out the newer version of Firebug (and the
  newer profiles are created w/ipv6 enabled by default, unlike the older
  ones).

  On Jul 27, 2:12 am, SteveG sgehringdes...@gmail.com wrote:

   I tried setting the network.dsn.disableIPv6 to true...  but the DOM
   inspector was still preforming veryslow?
   Are there any other workarounds that you know of?

   On Jul 21, 3:06 pm, ak732 ask...@gmail.com wrote:

After a bunch of digging, I found a Firefox performance tweak that
fixed the problem.  Hopefully this will help some others.  In summary,
I changed network.dsn.disableIPv6 from true to false.

1.      Open Firefox 3.x.
2.      Type “about:config” in the address bar and hit enter.
3.      In the Filter bar, enter “network.dns”.
4.      You should see a setting called “network.dsn.disableIPv6”.  It’s
likely set to “false”.
5.      Double-click the setting “network.dsn.disableIPv6” which 
changes it
to true.
6.      Close your browser.
7.      Reload the browser.
8.      Run the app and it should be considerably faster.

This improved load times for our, admittedly resource-heavy, web
application by around a factor or 10.  I suspect it might be a fix
that only matters on Windows Vista, maybe Win7.  Anyway, it's easy
enough to try.

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Argh! Firebug inspect doing weird things

2009-08-05 Thread mhulse

Firebug version:
1.5X.0a20

Firefox version:
3.5.2

Operating System:
Mac OS X, 10.5.7, 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel

Site:
http://www.registerguard.com/

Problem:
When inspecting the page, 3/4 of the left part of my screen displays
as white and is un-inspect-able. In the previous version(s) of
Firebug, it did the same thing, except the white was transparent.

Here is a screen grab:
http://assets.registerguard.com/personal/mhulse/firebug/firebug.png

I know my CSS/HTML/JS is not the greatest that it could be... But...
Why does the newer version of Firebug do this? I am tempted to roll-
back to a version that works for my site. :(

Any tips would be great!
Thanks,
m

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Re: firebug performance problem w/web application

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton

Eddie, please install Firebug 1.4X.2, open the tracing window with
ERRORS set, and repeat the test, post the trace on our bug report
list.
More info: http://groups.google.com/group/firebug/web/faq-about-firebug.
I'll post back here with the results.
(The line number in 1.4.2 are different from 1.4X)
jjb

On Aug 5, 10:32 am, Ed Abrams zeroaltit...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 Here is my platform: Mac OSX Leopard (10.5.7).

 Here is my browser: Firefox 3.5.2 (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0
 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.2) Gecko/20090729
 Firefox/3.5.2)

 Here is my Firebug: 1.4.2

 Problem: Crazy-bad performance in any window under test case

 Test case:
  * open firefox 3.5 and several tabs
  * in one tab, go to gmail.com
  * disable firebug
  * go to gmail.com
  * verify that performance in all cases is normal
  * enable firebug
  * enable every firebug panel EXCEPT console (disabled)
  * verify that performance in all cases is normal
  * enable the CONSOLE
  * in gmail, click 'compose message'
  * start typing

 PROBLEM: the performance has become so bad that the characters you're
 typing only appear at a rate of 1 character per second.  Every other
 tab and window is also performance-hit.  If you try, you can get the
 'stop script' dialog to appear, which cites a Firebug script, lib.js,
 at line 1176 (I think -- I should double check) as being the lagging
 line.

 I hope this helps.

 -Eddie

 On Aug 4, 3:21 pm, Prefontim prefon...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I am also getting extremely slow performance with Firebug 1.4.x on FF
  3.0.  Firebug 1.3.3 did not have this issue.  I disabled all other
  plug-ins, but that did not help.  Then, I tested it on a new profile,
  and that did not help either.  Firebug is too slow to be usable at
  this point.  I will have to use 1.3.3 (which is also almost too buggy
  to be usable) for now.

  On Aug 4, 10:38 am, ak732 ask...@gmail.com wrote:

   @SteveG:

   I am seeing pretty good performance across all tabs at this point.  I
   can pretty much just leave firebug on all the time now w/out seeing
   any undue performance hit.  At least on any sites I've visited
   recently.

   Note that the ipv6 fix had nothing to do with Firebug itself.  It was
   purely a WinVista/Firefox performance issue.  I only thought it was
   Firebug originally because it occurred coincidentally w/my creating a
   new Firefox profile to try out the newer version of Firebug (and the
   newer profiles are created w/ipv6 enabled by default, unlike the older
   ones).

   On Jul 27, 2:12 am, SteveG sgehringdes...@gmail.com wrote:

I tried setting the network.dsn.disableIPv6 to true...  but the DOM
inspector was still preforming veryslow?
Are there any other workarounds that you know of?

On Jul 21, 3:06 pm, ak732 ask...@gmail.com wrote:

 After a bunch of digging, I found a Firefox performance tweak that
 fixed the problem.  Hopefully this will help some others.  In summary,
 I changed network.dsn.disableIPv6 from true to false.

 1.      Open Firefox 3.x.
 2.      Type “about:config” in the address bar and hit enter.
 3.      In the Filter bar, enter “network.dns”.
 4.      You should see a setting called “network.dsn.disableIPv6”.  
 It’s
 likely set to “false”.
 5.      Double-click the setting “network.dsn.disableIPv6” which 
 changes it
 to true.
 6.      Close your browser.
 7.      Reload the browser.
 8.      Run the app and it should be considerably faster.

 This improved load times for our, admittedly resource-heavy, web
 application by around a factor or 10.  I suspect it might be a fix
 that only matters on Windows Vista, maybe Win7.  Anyway, it's easy
 enough to try.
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Re: Argh! Firebug inspect doing weird things

2009-08-05 Thread mhulse

 as white and is un-inspect-able. In the previous version(s) of
 Firebug, it did the same thing, except the white was transparent.

I should clarify... When I say In the previous..., I meant to say
In the most recent previous versions

My co-workers and I started noticing this problem in one of more
recent Firebug updates (within the last few months.)

Thanks!
Micky
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Re: Argh! Firebug inspect doing weird things

2009-08-05 Thread mhulse

I should also mention:

I love Firebug! Thanks a billion for offering this amazing tool for
free It is a wonderful tool. You folks are doing amazing work!

Have a great day,
Cheers,
M
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Re: The Off Icon

2009-08-05 Thread Kara Rawson

Jon wrote:
 I've been through a dozen of these posts about 1.4's UX (wherein I
 learned that the developer takes quite an attitude toward
 complainers, whiners, and layabout do-no-gooders, so I'll expect a
 witty retort that the developer's been through millions of them).  I
 wholeheartedly agree with the points above.   I'll make a bullet list
 of wishes, since I want you to know I take this seriously and I'm not
 a whiner.  Also I hope to be listened to.  I generally love Firebug
 and have written emails complimenting it, and I have thanked the devs
 for their hard work and a great useful tool.  So here we go:

 - Lose the on/off functionality.  *Since this is an add-on* the
 close button shouldn't quit, or change settings in the background,
 etc etc.  Want to quit Firebug? Tools-Add-ons-Disable.
   
this is worse then what is going on now. You must restart firefox to 
have plugins disabled and enabled. and unfortunatly due to the nature of 
firebug being a debug utility, it dramatically slows down webpages. Up 
to atleast 2x slower. Turning FB on and off is a common occurance, and 
having to restart my browser everytime for thsi just doesn't make any sense.
 - Go back to the old visible/invisible paradigm rather than the new
 off/minimize paradigm.  Call what you now consider the Minimize
 button's functionality the Close button.  The minimize feature is
 superfluous if the close button does what any other addon's close
 button does, which is disappear (but continue to work for us when we
 need it in a few minutes.)
   
i agree, i like the its on or its off, no minimize. if i want more 
screen realiestate i just detach FB from the tab
 - Firebug should run all panels, by default, for any domain, on any
 web page, on any tab.  We can always set the preferences to disable
 for all pages or enable for all pages
   
ummm no, firebug makes your html and css and js rendering super slow, as 
it checks and tracks all of this.
 - The Net tab should show me all the requests that have been going on
 before I displayed firebug, that means what happened while minimized,
 without refreshing the page.  I thought this was the way it worked
 before which is why I'm surprised we need to refresh now.  Did it not
 work that way before?  Regardless, Firebug should always have been
 paying attention.  The resources are minimal to do this and un-
 streamlining the add-on to gain 20K of resources is a poor trade.
   
the internets don't work like that. There is more to resources then just 
RAM overhead. such as cpu cycles and networking stuff, as well as i/o 
bandwidth and such. How is firebug going to know about something when 
its not activated, coding ESP is not feasible. Im a big fan of not 
having software of plugis sniff my network connections with out me 
telliong it to do so on a specific address.
 - You seem to be convinced that people need to get used to new button
 placement even if they were poorly placed to begin with.  You can
 categorize the interface as mimicking a standalone application
 (minimize restore and close, _ [] X), but you can also categorize this
 as an addon with its own rules as before - Plus if you keep moving
 buttons around and you piss off your current users simply to gain
 (millions of brand new???) users.
   
who cares long as it does the job its not like anyone is paying for thsi 
shyt neways.

~kara
 

   


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Can not trust the CSS panel in 1.4/1.5

2009-08-05 Thread Steven Roussey

I've been working on CSS stuff lately, a bit less on JS, and came to
the conclusion that the Firebug CSS panel just can't be trusted with
any complex CSS stuff.

http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/detail?id=2185
http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/detail?id=2084
http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/detail?id=2158

All are regressions from 1.3.4b4 which works correctly. That is, on
the same version of Firefox (3.0.12), Firebug 1.3 is correct, Firebug
1.4 and 1.5 is incorrect.
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Re: The Off Icon

2009-08-05 Thread Jon

On Aug 5, 3:09 pm, Kara Rawson karacu...@gmail.com wrote:
  - Lose the on/off functionality.  *Since this is an add-on* the
  close button shouldn't quit, or change settings in the background,
  etc etc.  Want to quit Firebug? Tools-Add-ons-Disable.

 this is worse then what is going on now. You must restart firefox to
 have plugins disabled and enabled. and unfortunatly due to the nature of
 firebug being a debug utility, it dramatically slows down webpages. Up
 to atleast 2x slower. Turning FB on and off is a common occurance, and
 having to restart my browser everytime for thsi just doesn't make any sense.

Hmm.. this question sort of led up into the next one.  I agree
minimizing is common but turning it completely off is preferential,
and I prefer it stick around like it did before.

 - Go back to the old visible/invisible paradigm rather than the new
  off/minimize paradigm.  Call what you now consider the Minimize
  button's functionality the Close button.  The minimize feature is
  superfluous if the close button does what any other addon's close
  button does, which is disappear (but continue to work for us when we
  need it in a few minutes.)

 i agree, i like the its on or its off, no minimize. if i want more
 screen realiestate i just detach FB from the tab

cool

 - Firebug should run all panels, by default, for any domain, on any
  web page, on any tab.  We can always set the preferences to disable
  for all pages or enable for all pages

 ummm no, firebug makes your html and css and js rendering super slow, as
 it checks and tracks all of this.

I'm not seeing a slowdown.

 - The Net tab should show me all the requests that have been going on
  before I displayed firebug, that means what happened while minimized,
  without refreshing the page.  I thought this was the way it worked
  before which is why I'm surprised we need to refresh now.  Did it not
  work that way before?  Regardless, Firebug should always have been
  paying attention.  The resources are minimal to do this and un-
  streamlining the add-on to gain 20K of resources is a poor trade.

 the internets don't work like that. There is more to resources then just
 RAM overhead. such as cpu cycles and networking stuff, as well as i/o
 bandwidth and such. How is firebug going to know about something when
 its not activated, coding ESP is not feasible. Im a big fan of not
 having software of plugis sniff my network connections with out me
 telliong it to do so on a specific address.

I've been a developer for a long time.  I want the net tab to be
running if firebug is installed.  What kind of system are you running?

 - You seem to be convinced that people need to get used to new button
  placement even if they were poorly placed to begin with.  You can
  categorize the interface as mimicking a standalone application
  (minimize restore and close, _ [] X), but you can also categorize this
  as an addon with its own rules as before - Plus if you keep moving
  buttons around and you piss off your current users simply to gain
  (millions of brand new???) users.

 who cares long as it does the job its not like anyone is paying for thsi
 shyt neways.

doing the job is not as important as doing the job well.  air is free
too.  i'd like it to be clean.
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Re: Console Data Not Wrapping

2009-08-05 Thread dancablam

Now works in 1.4.2

On Jul 29, 5:30 pm, Jan Odvarko odva...@gmail.com wrote:
 This was reported as bughttp://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/detail?id=2105
 now fixed on 1.5 branch

 Should be backported to 1.4 soon.
 Honza

 On Jul 29, 11:58 pm, Miguel jarib...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have the same problem. Very annoying bug since the update.
  Please fix soon!

  Thanks,

  Miguel

  On Jul 29, 11:28 am, dancablam danhstev...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hi Guys,

   Since Firebug 1.4 (w/ Firefox 3.5.1 + Mac OSX 10.5.7) I've noticed
   that the data displayed in the console no longer wraps so I have to
   copy/paste it to view it all. Is this a setting I'm missing or a bug?
   A screenshot can be found here (http://www.punchcode.com/shared/
   fbnowrap.png) - The screenshot shows the text of an AJAX response is
   cut off, forcing me to have to copy/paste the response body into a
   text editor in order to view. This used to wrap.

   Let me know if I can provide any further data.

   Thanks for the help!
   Dan
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Re: The Off Icon

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton



On Aug 5, 11:50 am, Jon jonat...@aurared.com wrote:
 I've been through a dozen of these posts about 1.4's UX (wherein I
 learned that the developer takes quite an attitude toward
 complainers, whiners, and layabout do-no-gooders, so I'll expect a
 witty retort that the developer's been through millions of them).  I

There are two Firebug developers who reply here. I do not recall ever
saying whiners etc. I may have used the word complainer, but I
meant it to describe someone with a complaint.

I value the input from concerned users.  That is different from
agreeing with their demands.


 wholeheartedly agree with the points above.   I'll make a bullet list
 of wishes, since I want you to know I take this seriously and I'm not
 a whiner.  Also I hope to be listened to.  I generally love Firebug
 and have written emails complimenting it, and I have thanked the devs
 for their hard work and a great useful tool.  So here we go:

 - Lose the on/off functionality.  *Since this is an add-on* the
 close button shouldn't quit, or change settings in the background,
 etc etc.  Want to quit Firebug? Tools-Add-ons-Disable.

You don't have to click the Off button. Many people don't agree with
you.


 - Go back to the old visible/invisible paradigm rather than the new
 off/minimize paradigm.  Call what you now consider the Minimize
 button's functionality the Close button.  The minimize feature is
 superfluous if the close button does what any other addon's close
 button does, which is disappear (but continue to work for us when we
 need it in a few minutes.)

We've been through this. Others disagree. I am now determined not to
reopen this issue.


 - Firebug should run all panels, by default, for any domain, on any
 web page, on any tab.  We can always set the preferences to disable
 for all pages or enable for all pages

That fits your style of development. It does not fit everyone.
Enabling all of the panels is a simple one time operation. We have no
plans to change this.


 - The Net tab should show me all the requests that have been going on
 before I displayed firebug, that means what happened while minimized,

The Net panel will show you all traffic that occurs when FIrebug is
minimized.

 without refreshing the page.  I thought this was the way it worked
 before which is why I'm surprised we need to refresh now.  Did it not

You have to refresh the first time you open Firebug on a page. That
has always been true. In 1.3 Firebug just refreshed without asking.

 work that way before?  Regardless, Firebug should always have been
 paying attention.  The resources are minimal to do this and un-
 streamlining the add-on to gain 20K of resources is a poor trade.

The resource in you case may be minimal. Its not true generally.

 - You seem to be convinced that people need to get used to new button
 placement even if they were poorly placed to begin with.  You can
 categorize the interface as mimicking a standalone application
 (minimize restore and close, _ [] X), but you can also categorize this
 as an addon with its own rules as before - Plus if you keep moving
 buttons around and you piss off your current users simply to gain
 (millions of brand new???) users.

I already apologized for moving the buttons. I have no plans to make
that mistake again any time soon.

jjb


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great compliment tool for firebug

2009-08-05 Thread Kara Rawson

i needed some more verbose network monitor for speed tests on some 
webapps, and came across thsi simple yet very useful tool

Firefox Throttle
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5917


basically this util sits in your browser status bar and displays current 
up and down rates, with the addition to toggle on throttle limits for up 
and down independently.

i know this has its own plugin, but something of this functionality 
would be extremely helpful if it was embedded into firebug. even just 
displaying current up and down in the tooltip when hovering over the 
FBicon would be a great addition. just some things to ponder. :)

kara


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Firebug doesn't work properly with Firefox's new HTML 5 renderer

2009-08-05 Thread Zae

As the subject states, firebug doesn't properly work with the new HTML
5 renderer activated by about:config - html5.enabled.

Almost everything works, except for the javascript part that doesn't
get started, firebug sees al the scripts that exist but it can't see
the contents and because of this it's useless, because there is no
code to see or set breakpoints on.

Tested with Firebug 1.5x15 and Minefield/3.6a1pre

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Re: console.log problem. 0 is not recognized

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton

Which version of FIrebug?
jjb

On Aug 5, 2:19 pm, YaoXing Zhang yaoxing.zh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi guys,
 when i use console.log function, sometimes %d is not replaced with the
 value. it seems to me the problem is that 0 is recognized as null or
 undefined, then is ignored.

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 Regards,
 YX
 MSN: zhangyaox...@live.cn
 Skype: yaoxing.zhang
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Re: console.log problem. 0 is not recognized

2009-08-05 Thread YaoXing Zhang

Firefox 3.5.2
Firebug 1.5X.0a20
try console.log(%d,0) in the Firebug console will reproduce the bug.

Regards,
YX
MSN: zhangyaox...@live.cn
Skype: yaoxing.zhang

On 2009/8/5 17:50, johnjbarton wrote:
 Which version of FIrebug?
 jjb

 On Aug 5, 2:19 pm, YaoXing Zhangyaoxing.zh...@gmail.com  wrote:

 Hi guys,
 when i use console.log function, sometimes %d is not replaced with the
 value. it seems to me the problem is that 0 is recognized as null or
 undefined, then is ignored.

 --
 Regards,
 YX
 MSN: zhangyaox...@live.cn
 Skype: yaoxing.zhang
  
 


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Re: FF 3.5.1 fireBug 1.5X.0a20 reload to activate issue still present

2009-08-05 Thread Zac Spitzer

this is the state where you have firebug open in a new window
and each time the page refreshes firebug deactiveates
and shows the Activate FireBug for the selected FireFox tab

but then when you reload the page, firefox deactives again

it's done from the off for all web pages which is an option,
from the firebug icon in the tray, but the option isn't on the
the firebug view -  options, which is really confusing

it's more of a UI trap than a bug


On Aug 6, 12:26 am, johnjbarton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote:
 On Aug 5, 4:17 am, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com wrote:

  it's a maddening bug,

 Zac, I can't figure out what bug you are discussing...



  steps to reproduce.

  1. try and click on the firebug icon to toggle firebug

 I don't understand this step. try and? Did you mean to say click on
 the firebug status bar icon?  What happens then?

  2. click on the firebug icon and there's a popup window

 I don't understand this step. If you clicked on the status bar icon in
 #1, then Firebug is open. What popup window? Is it Firebug's window?

  3. turn firebug off for all pages

 What did you do here? I guess right click Firebug status bar icon,
 menu select Off for all pages?



  reload the website, the described problem is seen

 What problem?



  4. click the icon and turn firebug on for all sites

  reload the website, no problem

 Ok so do you have a problem or not?



  the easy solution is to make the options menu have
  all the firebug options in one place ( as expected )

 What is the problem?  The post you quote below says everything is
 fine



  there's nothing wrong with some being duplicating
  in two places

  z

  On Jul 30, 3:13 pm, dk dean.kar...@gmail.com wrote:

   I have it working now.  THanks for your help.  I finally uninstalled
   everything Mozilla related and then reinstalled ff and fb.  It seems
   to be fine now.

   cheers


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Re: Argh! Firebug inspect doing weird things

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton

Hmm weird.

I don't see any error messages on the Firebug side.

Does remoting form mean anything to your team? I saw some elements
with that briefly.

Does it happen on FF 3.0?

jjb



On Aug 5, 10:58 am, mhulse rgmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Firebug version:
 1.5X.0a20

 Firefox version:
 3.5.2

 Operating System:
 Mac OS X, 10.5.7, 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel

 Site:
 http://www.registerguard.com/

 Problem:
 When inspecting the page, 3/4 of the left part of my screen displays
 as white and is un-inspect-able. In the previous version(s) of
 Firebug, it did the same thing, except the white was transparent.

 Here is a screen grab:
 http://assets.registerguard.com/personal/mhulse/firebug/firebug.png

 I know my CSS/HTML/JS is not the greatest that it could be... But...
 Why does the newer version of Firebug do this? I am tempted to roll-
 back to a version that works for my site. :(

 Any tips would be great!
 Thanks,
 m
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Network module is activated info message

2009-08-05 Thread André Hänsel

Hi,

since one of the last versions there is an error message in my network
tab:

Das Netzwerkmodul ist aktiviert. Solange das Netzwerkmodul inaktiv
ist, werden jegliche Anfragen nicht angezeigt.

Yes, it is activated. So why are there any requests not shown?

Regards,
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Re: Firebug extensions - keyboard enablement

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton

First take a look through Hans Hillen's amazing doc on accessibility:
http://clients.paciellogroup.com/firebug/firebug.html

I don't know if it has implementation issues, if not
please open a bug report with this question and I will ask Hans to add
this info.
http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/list
jjb

On Aug 5, 1:59 pm, Tom tom.bru...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am trying to create my own subpanel for Firebug, and cannot find any
 information about how to properly enable keyboard access.  For
 example, let's say that my panel shows an HTML table.  I would like to
 tab to the table and then arrow through the rows.  I had assumed that
 I could put a tabindex on an element, but this seems to compete with
 Firebug's focus mechanisms, and I don't get Firebug's highlighting.

 So, what is needed in order to keyboard enable a custom panel?

 Thanks,
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Re: Network module is activated info message

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton

You have to reload the page. Firebug does not add listeners by
default. When you open it adds the listeners, but its too late. So you
have to reload. After that Firebug will notice the page is active
early in the load and add the listeners. So you don't worry then. Also
later if you reopen the URL, Firebug is ready. Only the very first
time.

The message is placed in the net panel log at the point where the
listeners are added.

jjb

On Aug 5, 7:04 pm, André Hänsel an...@webkr.de wrote:
 Hi,

 since one of the last versions there is an error message in my network
 tab:

 Das Netzwerkmodul ist aktiviert. Solange das Netzwerkmodul inaktiv
 ist, werden jegliche Anfragen nicht angezeigt.

 Yes, it is activated. So why are there any requests not shown?

 Regards,
 André
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Re: Firebug doesn't work properly with Firefox's new HTML 5 renderer

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton

We have not succeeded with Firebug tests on FF 3.6 for standard html
either.

jjb

On Aug 5, 3:29 pm, Zae ezra@gmail.com wrote:
 As the subject states, firebug doesn't properly work with the new HTML
 5 renderer activated by about:config - html5.enabled.

 Almost everything works, except for the javascript part that doesn't
 get started, firebug sees al the scripts that exist but it can't see
 the contents and because of this it's useless, because there is no
 code to see or set breakpoints on.

 Tested with Firebug 1.5x15 and Minefield/3.6a1pre
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Firebug's DOM inspector become invalid with jQuery

2009-08-05 Thread Gabriel

After I use jQuery's html() function,changing the value of any style
property will not take effect.
I don't know which one regard to this problem,jQuery or Firebug?

Tested in Firefox 3.5.2 and Firebug 1.4.2.

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Question and possibly solution on Fail to load source of...

2009-08-05 Thread Alucard

Hi all.

Because of the fundamental changes from 1.3 to 1.4.1 on loading, web
developers may sometimes experience the problem on Fail to load
source of a-JS-file.

The situation: a-JS-file is marked Failed to load source for by
firebug.  However, it can actually be accessible when you view the
source in FF. (In FF 3.5, you can now click the JS file link to see
the file when you press Ctrl+U to view source).

The solution/way to avoid this problem: I am not an expert on neither
FF nor FB, but what I found is that, you can use profile manager in FF
to create a separate profile specific for FB.  In that case it will
solve the problem, the source will be loaded successfully.

Currently I have a separated FF profile with only FB and Web Developer
plugin installed, separated from another FF profile which is for
browsing purpose.

Hope it helps someone.

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What if I want to see the runtime console result when I reload the page?

2009-08-05 Thread Alucard

Well, currently I don't know how to do this started from using 1.4.
Because of the loading system changed, when you refresh the page,
firebug will automatically close itself.

What it means is that, if I want to see some result at runtime, I can
no longer do so in new firebug as it will close right after I press F5
to reload!  Otherwise it will say:

Firebug cannot find _firebugConsole element true Window
some_file_name

It is the case when I use FB 1.4.2.

Now the only way I can do is to use the plain old alert way to debug
the script in runtime...

Are there any solution to deal with that?  Or can FB developers make
some changes in order to solve this problem?

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Re: What if I want to see the runtime console result when I reload the page?

2009-08-05 Thread macarthy

Seems to be the same issue Im having

http://groups.google.com/group/firebug/browse_thread/thread/298e0d60cb3f1630#

Justin

On Aug 6, 11:16 am, Alucard alucard...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, currently I don't know how to do this started from using 1.4.
 Because of the loading system changed, when you refresh the page,
 firebug will automatically close itself.

 What it means is that, if I want to see some result at runtime, I can
 no longer do so in new firebug as it will close right after I press F5
 to reload!  Otherwise it will say:

 Firebug cannot find _firebugConsole element true Window
 some_file_name

 It is the case when I use FB 1.4.2.

 Now the only way I can do is to use the plain old alert way to debug
 the script in runtime...

 Are there any solution to deal with that?  Or can FB developers make
 some changes in order to solve this problem?

 Thank you very much.
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Re: special chars instead of entities and need of firebug1.3 on firefox3.5

2009-08-05 Thread macarthy

I'm having a similar issue,  outlined here:

http://groups.google.com/group/firebug/browse_thread/thread/298e0d60cb3f1630#

By point to the repo, are you suggesting fix it yourself or ...

Thanks Justin

On Aug 6, 5:53 am, johnjbarton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote:
 On Aug 5, 1:32 pm, mimk malgosiaimich...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,
  1 is there a possibility to install firebug1.3 on firefox3.5? firebug
  always disappear when page is refreshing, and net analysis is
  impossible. Reinstalling Firefox, new profiles and other good
  advices are useless.

 The source is available 
 here:http://code.google.com/p/fbug/source/browse/branches/#branches/firebu...

  2 why firebug does show , ,  instead of its entity? In code there
  are entities (for example: amp;). Any hint?

 Any test case?

 jjb
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Re: What if I want to see the runtime console result when I reload the page?

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton



On Aug 5, 9:16 pm, Alucard alucard...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, currently I don't know how to do this started from using 1.4.
 Because of the loading system changed, when you refresh the page,
 firebug will automatically close itself.

No, this is not correct.  Firebug 1.4 does not work this way.


 What it means is that, if I want to see some result at runtime, I can
 no longer do so in new firebug as it will close right after I press F5
 to reload!  Otherwise it will say:

 Firebug cannot find _firebugConsole element true Window
 some_file_name

 It is the case when I use FB 1.4.2.

 Now the only way I can do is to use the plain old alert way to debug
 the script in runtime...

 Are there any solution to deal with that?  Or can FB developers make
 some changes in order to solve this problem?

We do not see this problem and we have no way to fix it. I can only
guess because I can't get anyone to investigate on a computer that has
the problem. My guess is that you have a firebug extension that is out
of sync with Firebug 1.4.  Is it true?  Or another Firefox
extension?

Why do I make this guess? Because all previous users with the problem
report that installing in a new firefox profile fixes the problem.
See http://groups.google.com/group/firebug/web/faq-about-firebug





 Thank you very much.
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Re: Viewing xhr requests in firebug 1.4

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton



On Aug 4, 11:56 pm, macarthy justin.maccar...@gmail.com wrote:
 How do you view xhr requests in the newest version of Firebug.

 I open the firebug on the page I want to look use it on, there are no
 requests are visiable. So I reload the page, but then firebug
 closes ?

 I loved firebug, but these UI changes in the latest versions are very
 confusing.

This is not a UI change. Firebug 1.4 does not work this way.

You may have an extension, of Firebug or Firefox, that does not work
with Firebug 1.4. Please tell us your extensions.


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Always get Failed to load source for:

2009-08-05 Thread trinitrotoluen

Hi,
I always get Failed to load source for: when looking at DOM
Tested in Firefox 3.5.2 and Firebug 1.4.2

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Re: Always get Failed to load source for:

2009-08-05 Thread johnjbarton

Please tell us the extensions you have installed and their version
number.

jjb

On Aug 5, 9:11 pm, trinitrotoluen trinitrotolu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 I always get Failed to load source for: when looking at DOM
 Tested in Firefox 3.5.2 and Firebug 1.4.2
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Re: Always get Failed to load source for:

2009-08-05 Thread trinitrotoluen

Application: Firefox 3.5.2 (20090729225027)
Operating System: WINNT (x86-msvc)

- Add N Edit Cookies 0.2.1.3
(Disabled, Incompatible)
- AI Roboform Toolbar for Firefox 6.9.96
- AutoIt Menu 1.2.9
- AutoPager 0.5.2.2
- Bookmark Duplicate Detector 0.7.5
(Disabled, Incompatible)
- ChatZilla 0.9.85
- Chrome List 0.4.1
- CodeBurner for Firebug 1.2
- CookieSwap 0.5.165B
(Disabled, Incompatible)
- DOM Inspector 2.0.3
- ErrorZilla Plus 0.7
- Extension List Dumper 1.14.2
- external IP 0.9.9.5
- FiddlerHook 2.2.1.4
- Firebug 1.4.2
- Firecookie 0.8
- Firefox Universal Uploader (fireuploader) 0.4.1
- FirePHP 0.3.1
- Flagfox 3.3.14
- FootieFox 2.1.6
- FoxClocks 2.5.33
- GooglePreview 3.22
- Greasefire 1.0.4
- Greasemonkey 0.8.20090123.1
- Html Validator 0.8.5.8
(Disabled)
- HttpFox 0.8.4
(Disabled)
- IDM CC 6.4
- IE Tab 1.5.20090525
- iMacros for Firefox 6.2.4.0
- ImageBot 4.0.6
- IMDb Preview 0.5.1
- Inline Code Finder for Firebug 0.94
- Java Console 6.0.13
- Java Console 6.0.14
- Java Console 6.0.15
- Java Quick Starter 1.0
- Lazarus: Form Recovery 2.0.2
- LeechBlock 0.4.3
- Link Evaluator 0.9.9.7
(Disabled)
- Megaupload Integration 1.1
(Disabled, Incompatible)
- Menu Mod 2.2
- MozRepl 1.0.0.2009041717
- MozUnit 0.2.0.2008122713
(Disabled, Incompatible)
- MultiCookie 1.0.5.1
- nciku Toolbar with Tooltip Dictionary 0.5.1.78
- Nightly Tester Tools 2.0.2
- Open Addons 1.1.6.1
- Organize Status Bar 0.6.3
- Peers 0.9.2
- PhZilla 3.5.1A
- Pixel Perfect 1.1.0
- Read it Later 0.9947
- Redirect Remover 2.5.5
(Disabled, Incompatible)
- Sage 1.4.3
- Screengrab 0.96.1
- SearchStatus 1.30
- Simple Mail 2.74
- SkipScreen 0.1.07102009
- SQLite Manager 0.5.1
- Tamper Data 10.1.0
- Thumbnail Expander 1.0
- TinyURL Generator 1.0.9
- Unofficial Google Translate Firefox extension 1.4
- Update Scanner 3.0.5
- User Agent Switcher 0.7.2
- WebMail Notifier 1.3
- Who Is This Person? 1.1.1
(Disabled, Incompatible)
- XPather 1.4.3
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Re: Viewing xhr requests in firebug 1.4

2009-08-05 Thread macarthy

Hi I seem to resolved the issue by reinstalling my add-ons starting
with firebug

Here was my setup , Mac OS X

Using Firefox 3.5.2

With my normal profile with the following plugins installed,

Firebug 1.4.2
Xmarks 3.1.1
Web Developer 1.1.8
1password 2.9.21
Google gears 0.5.30

the panel collapses on reload, which mean you can't see requests, etc.

With a clean profile, just with Firebug installed, the Firebug panel
does not close on reload.

I added the above plugins after, and the issue still did not appear.
It still does in my old profile.
Is there a way to change the load order of plugins ?

Hope that helps someone else, thanks for your help..

Justin

On Aug 6, 12:00 pm, johnjbarton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote:
 On Aug 4, 11:56 pm, macarthy justin.maccar...@gmail.com wrote:

  How do you view xhr requests in the newest version of Firebug.

  I open the firebug on the page I want to look use it on, there are no
  requests are visiable. So I reload the page, but then firebug
  closes ?

  I loved firebug, but these UI changes in the latest versions are very
  confusing.

 This is not a UI change. Firebug 1.4 does not work this way.

 You may have an extension, of Firebug or Firefox, that does not work
 with Firebug 1.4. Please tell us your extensions.



  Justin
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Re: Always get Failed to load source for:

2009-08-05 Thread macarthy

WinNT with ~80 plugins ?? You got to be kidding ?

On Aug 6, 12:30 pm, trinitrotoluen trinitrotolu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Application: Firefox 3.5.2 (20090729225027)
 Operating System: WINNT (x86-msvc)

 - Add N Edit Cookies 0.2.1.3
         (Disabled, Incompatible)
 - AI Roboform Toolbar for Firefox 6.9.96
 - AutoIt Menu 1.2.9
 - AutoPager 0.5.2.2
 - Bookmark Duplicate Detector 0.7.5
         (Disabled, Incompatible)
 - ChatZilla 0.9.85
 - Chrome List 0.4.1
 - CodeBurner for Firebug 1.2
 - CookieSwap 0.5.165B
         (Disabled, Incompatible)
 - DOM Inspector 2.0.3
 - ErrorZilla Plus 0.7
 - Extension List Dumper 1.14.2
 - external IP 0.9.9.5
 - FiddlerHook 2.2.1.4
 - Firebug 1.4.2
 - Firecookie 0.8
 - Firefox Universal Uploader (fireuploader) 0.4.1
 - FirePHP 0.3.1
 - Flagfox 3.3.14
 - FootieFox 2.1.6
 - FoxClocks 2.5.33
 - GooglePreview 3.22
 - Greasefire 1.0.4
 - Greasemonkey 0.8.20090123.1
 - Html Validator 0.8.5.8
         (Disabled)
 - HttpFox 0.8.4
         (Disabled)
 - IDM CC 6.4
 - IE Tab 1.5.20090525
 - iMacros for Firefox 6.2.4.0
 - ImageBot 4.0.6
 - IMDb Preview 0.5.1
 - Inline Code Finder for Firebug 0.94
 - Java Console 6.0.13
 - Java Console 6.0.14
 - Java Console 6.0.15
 - Java Quick Starter 1.0
 - Lazarus: Form Recovery 2.0.2
 - LeechBlock 0.4.3
 - Link Evaluator 0.9.9.7
         (Disabled)
 - Megaupload Integration 1.1
         (Disabled, Incompatible)
 - Menu Mod 2.2
 - MozRepl 1.0.0.2009041717
 - MozUnit 0.2.0.2008122713
         (Disabled, Incompatible)
 - MultiCookie 1.0.5.1
 - nciku Toolbar with Tooltip Dictionary 0.5.1.78
 - Nightly Tester Tools 2.0.2
 - Open Addons 1.1.6.1
 - Organize Status Bar 0.6.3
 - Peers 0.9.2
 - PhZilla 3.5.1A
 - Pixel Perfect 1.1.0
 - Read it Later 0.9947
 - Redirect Remover 2.5.5
         (Disabled, Incompatible)
 - Sage 1.4.3
 - Screengrab 0.96.1
 - SearchStatus 1.30
 - Simple Mail 2.74
 - SkipScreen 0.1.07102009
 - SQLite Manager 0.5.1
 - Tamper Data 10.1.0
 - Thumbnail Expander 1.0
 - TinyURL Generator 1.0.9
 - Unofficial Google Translate Firefox extension 1.4
 - Update Scanner 3.0.5
 - User Agent Switcher 0.7.2
 - WebMail Notifier 1.3
 - Who Is This Person? 1.1.1
         (Disabled, Incompatible)
 - XPather 1.4.3
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