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2006-08-26 Thread ryanm
Speaking of that - I've always wondered, is the gzip decompression handled by the browser, or by the Flash player? I've assumed it was the browser (HTTP Compression, right?). That being the case, aren't there some browsers which don't have gzip support, or are they all dead? It's

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2006-08-26 Thread ryanm
An architect I closely work with always says: ‘Each extra component introduces complexity’. I think that is true. Each component ‘in the middle’ makes a system harder to understand, debug, maintain, deploy and requires an additional level of competence. Unless it has true added value, one

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2006-08-25 Thread Franck de Bruijn
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evert | Collab Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:43 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides You are forgetting that if a request takes half the time to complete, it needs

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2006-08-25 Thread Franck de Bruijn
setting up the server side of a webservice as well. Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:19 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice

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2006-08-25 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss
:23 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Hi Bjorn,There are no plans to add AMF3 support into WebORB for Java.Thanks,Mark--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "Bjorn Schultheiss"bjorn.schultheiss@... wrote

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2006-08-25 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss
BruijnSent: Friday, 25 August 2006 3:38 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Hi Ted, At the risk of offending you ... the more people shout, the less I listen to them. I totally agree with you (again

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2006-08-25 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Franck de BruijnSent: Friday, 25 August 2006 4:48 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Hi Bjorn, Could you provide me some insight in how large your objects are and how complex

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2006-08-25 Thread Evert | Collab
A webservice commonly does this: * authentication (optional) * a service/method is invoked with an optional set of arguments * the service returns a result Why not abstract your service system to allow SOAP + REST + XML-RPC + JSON + AMF ? As long as the interface is abstracted, it doesnt

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2006-08-25 Thread Tom Lee
: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carson Hager Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:53 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Simply turing on gzip compression has

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2006-08-25 Thread Franck de Bruijn
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Lee Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:31 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides One key enterprise objection to using AMF is the lack of AMF clients

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2006-08-24 Thread Tom Lee
Subject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Hi Ted, We all understand your arguments 1 and 2. But in the end, and thats already identified in this topic, its the user experience that counts. If it does not suffer by using web services, its

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2006-08-24 Thread Ted Patrick
Evangelist Adobe Systems Incorporated From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Franck de Bruijn Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:33 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice

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2006-08-24 Thread Claus Wahlers
On a high quality machine, WS can take 400ms, but on a slower machine it can take 3-10 seconds for a single call and the larger the data exchanged, the worse it gets. Not good. Aren't you exaggerating a bit here? Can you give a real world example of a SOAP XML that takes 400ms to

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2006-08-24 Thread Tom Lee
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides On a high quality machine, WS can take 400ms, but on a slower machine it can take 3-10 seconds for a single call and the larger the data exchanged, the worse it gets

RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-24 Thread Ted Patrick
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides On a high quality machine, WS can take 400ms, but on a slower machine it can take 3-10 seconds for a single call and the larger the data exchanged, the worse

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2006-08-24 Thread Tom Lee
by the installation of FDS (which can be a daunting task). -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Patrick Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend

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2006-08-24 Thread Douglas Knudsen
shouldn't we qualify some of this with 'depends on what data you are moving'?? I'm finding that using a REST call to return XML can be WAY faster then using RemoteObject for a reporting tool. In this case I could care less about the magically uber kewl mapping of AS -- CFC/POJOs, eh? DKOn

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2006-08-24 Thread ryanm
I am sure there are many smart people out there who will get WebServices to work well for them with Flex. It is a lot of hard work to make this work well and I have only seen one company do it really well. I do not doubt that others will make this work reliably but I question its use. It

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2006-08-24 Thread hank williams
I have to agree with Ted regarding productivity.Of course I may just be revealing that I am not as smart as the rest of you, but when I was considering various means of connecting to my java server during the transition to Flex2, I explored Axis and Axis2 for web services. Figuring out how to

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2006-08-24 Thread Claus Wahlers
No I am not exaggerating. Run a Web Services call on my mothers old Dell and you can count the seconds. When AMF was first added to Flash Player 6, the primary reason was performance on slow machines. AMF was much faster then and it remains the case. XML parsing performance decays

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2006-08-24 Thread Ted Patrick
: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides No I am not exaggerating. Run a Web Services call on my mothers old Dell and you can count the seconds. When AMF was first added to Flash Player 6, the primary reason was performance on slow

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2006-08-24 Thread Ted Patrick
Incorporated From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:19 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides I have

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2006-08-24 Thread Jack Caldwell
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted PatrickSent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:57 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides FDS Express == 1CPU FREE FDS Express == 1CPU FREE FDS Express == 1CPU FREE FDS Express

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2006-08-24 Thread hank williams
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:19 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides I have to agree with Ted regarding

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2006-08-24 Thread hank williams
: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides FDS Express == 1CPU FREE FDS Express == 1CPU FREE FDS Express == 1CPU FREE FDS Express == 1CPU FREE FDS Express == 1CPU FREE FDS Express == 1CPU FREE FDS Express == 1CPU

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2006-08-24 Thread Dustin Mercer
Something I have done in the past is to create a hybrid solution. One of the biggest advantages of Web Services is of course its ability to be consumed by just about everything. That being said, Java can consume web services! I have found creating Web Service Facades that FDS connects

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2006-08-24 Thread Evert | Collab
You are forgetting that if a request takes half the time to complete, it needs less cpu time and you can double the concurrent requests per server. Evert Dave Wolf wrote: I simply have to disagree here. We can demonstrate several in production applications which we have developed using SOAP

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2006-08-24 Thread hank williams
I am not clear how what you are talking about relates to the problems that ted described. Regards Hank On 8/24/06, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure there are many smart people out there who will get WebServices to work well for them with Flex. It is a lot of hard work to make this

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2006-08-24 Thread Tom Lee
: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ryanm Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:05 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides I am sure there are many smart people out there who will get

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2006-08-24 Thread adobeted
FDS Express - FREE - unlimited users with no clustering - 1 CPU ( multi-core supported ) The number of users on FDS Express is tied to the scalability of the server. Most machines fail in supporting a high number of concurrent users at the host operating system. Some OS's are more scalable than

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2006-08-24 Thread Jack Caldwell
Ted: Thanks, Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of adobetedSent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:26 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides FDS Express - FREE

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2006-08-24 Thread Jack Caldwell
: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williamsSent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:31 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Hate to jump in, because I see your question is targeted

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2006-08-24 Thread Jack Caldwell
] On Behalf Of adobetedSent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:26 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides FDS Express - FREE- unlimited users with no clustering- 1 CPU ( multi-core supported )The number of users on FDS

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2006-08-24 Thread hank williams
Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Hate to jump in, because I see your question is targeted at ted, but I have to say one thing. The issue isnt how many users FDS Express can support but how many users your entire application can

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2006-08-24 Thread Michael Schmalle
Of hank williamsSent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:31 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Hate to jump in, because I see your question is targeted at ted, but I have to say one thing. The issue isnt how

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2006-08-24 Thread hank williams
, 2006 2:31 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Hate to jump in, because I see your question is targeted at ted, but I have to say one thing. The issue isnt how many users FDS Express can support but how

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2006-08-24 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss
: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Hey Michael,Actually, I think (though I am not sure about this) that it is no different from deploying any other J2EE application. I dont think you need root access. I know my main account doesnt have root access

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2006-08-24 Thread hank williams
On 8/24/06, Bjorn Schultheiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not Neccesarily. When you start talking dedicated server prices can get quite high. Chassis, Power Supplies, Bandwidth man the costs keep going up.Hmm... bundling hosting/bandwidth costs into the cost of the server is really a

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2006-08-24 Thread Shannon Hicks
:05 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides On 8/24/06, Bjorn Schultheiss bjorn.schultheiss@qdc.net.au wrote: Not Neccesarily. When you start talking dedicated server

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2006-08-24 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss
@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides On 8/24/06, Bjorn Schultheiss bjorn.schultheiss@qdc.net.au wrote: Not Neccesarily. When you start talking dedicated server prices can get quite high. Chassis, Power

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2006-08-24 Thread ryanm
I am not clear how what you are talking about relates to the problems that ted described. The parsing speed of the transport layer need not be relevant to the snappiness and responsiveness of your application if you plan appropriately. ryanm -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ:

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2006-08-24 Thread ryanm
In my case, every modification to the web services must be done with extreme care, as we have partners who also consume those services. It doesn't make sense to optimize the services just for Flex, as it is only a small part of our total picture. If you have no control over the

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2006-08-24 Thread hank williams
williamsSent: Friday, 25 August 2006 11:05 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides On 8/24/06, Bjorn Schultheiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not Neccesarily. When you start talking dedicated

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2006-08-24 Thread hank williams
-Mail - LOW] Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides On 8/24/06, Bjorn Schultheiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not Neccesarily. When you start talking dedicated server prices can get quite high. Chassis, Power Supplies, Bandwidth

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2006-08-24 Thread ryanm
Hmm... bundling hosting/bandwidth costs into the cost of the server is really a slippery slope. I was refering to one time costs. And its *hard* to spend more than 5k on a 1 cpu server. Of course if you need a 20 terrabyte raid thats another thing. But that would not be normal. Of course

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2006-08-24 Thread ryanm
On a departmental version, if I have 2 single CPU servers(clustered) I would need 2 licenses at $6K per CPU. Does that get me 200 concurrent users? Nope... FDS Departmental - $6K per CPU - 100 concurrent users across cluster - multiple CPU support - clustering support That's what

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2006-08-24 Thread hank williams
Check out WebORB: $700 per license, no concurrent user limit. ;-) Hey, do they do Java remoting with AMF3? I know they do it with .NET and Now ROR, but I would be really interested in a Java product if they have it. Hank -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ:

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2006-08-24 Thread James Ward
24, 2006 11:19 AM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com * Subject:* Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides I have to agree with Ted regarding productivity. Of course I may just be revealing that I am not as smart as the rest of you

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2006-08-24 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss
: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides On 8/24/06, Shannon Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: $20,000 for remoting and not other FDS features? Last I checked, ColdFusion server was around $1300/server

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2006-08-24 Thread Jack Caldwell
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides On a departmental version, if I have 2 single CPU servers(clustered) I would need 2 licenses at $6K per CPU. Does that get me 200 concurrent users?Nope...FDS Departmental - $6K per CPU- 100

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2006-08-24 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss
Senior Flash Developer QDC Technologies From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williamsSent: Friday, 25 August 2006 12:20 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides On 8/24

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2006-08-24 Thread hank williams
8:05 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides On 8/24/06, Bjorn Schultheiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not Neccesarily. When you start talking

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2006-08-24 Thread Douglas Knudsen
. Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ryanmSent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:27 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides On a departmental version, if I have 2

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2006-08-24 Thread Jack Caldwell
: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides not listening? Flex 1.5 had like none of the price options Flex 2.0 has and no fancy IDE worth salt! DK On 8/24/06, Jack Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Ryanm

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2006-08-24 Thread Mark Piller
I am sorry to make this 'Guinness-World-Records-candidate' thread even longer, but I thought I'd clarify.. WebORB and the AMF3 implementation we offer is available for .NET, Ruby and soon-to-be-released PHP, but not Java. Btw, the WebORB for PHP release should be available next week and it will

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2006-08-24 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss
@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides I am sorry to make this 'Guinness-World-Records-candidate' thread evenlonger, but I thought I'd clarify..WebORB and the AMF3 implementation we offer is available for .NET,Ruby and soon-to-be-released

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2006-08-24 Thread Mark Piller
Developer QDC Technologies _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Piller Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 2:30 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides I am

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2006-08-24 Thread Franck de Bruijn
)? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Patrick Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Frank, RPC

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2006-08-23 Thread Jack Caldwell
production application in terms of total users and average simultaneous users? Thanks, Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave WolfSent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:20 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re

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2006-08-23 Thread Tom Lee
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:20 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides I simply have to disagree here. We can demonstrate several in production applications which we have developed using SOAP XML WebServices

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2006-08-23 Thread Martin Wood
Jack Caldwell wrote: Dave: I agree that a 1/3 of a second is not going to be noticed by the end-user. However, when you add 100s or 1,000s of users . . . . does that make a difference? I don't know . . . . that's why I am asking. You guys have the experience. It doesn't make any

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2006-08-23 Thread Jack Caldwell
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin WoodSent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:13 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Jack Caldwell wrote: Dave: I agree that a 1/3 of a second is not going

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2006-08-23 Thread Dave Wolf
, Jack _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Wood Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:13 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Jack

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2006-08-23 Thread Dave Wolf
, August 22, 2006 4:20 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides I simply have to disagree here. We can demonstrate several in production applications which we have developed using SOAP XML WebServices

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2006-08-23 Thread Andrew Trice
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jack Caldwell Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:40 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Martin: OK

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2006-08-23 Thread Martin Wood
Jack Caldwell wrote: Martin: OK . . . . so the lag time is when the data gets back to the end-user? exactly, its the time it takes for the flash player or actionscript code to convert the incoming data into a format usable by the application. Before in the flash world that was a big deal

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2006-08-23 Thread Tom Lee
which can help. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Wood Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:27 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

[Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-23 Thread Mark Piller
@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides Martin: OK . . . . so the lag time is when the data gets back to the end-user? Bottom line . . . . with all things being equal . . . . Does a web service

RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-23 Thread Tom Lee
the thread any further. ;) -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Wolf Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:34 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

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2006-08-23 Thread Ted Patrick
AMF is faster in 3 fundamental ways: Bandwidth Size Smaller, lighter, faster!!! Parsing Speed Less work on both client and server!!! Developer Productivity Less work for developers!!! Web Services are dependent on XML Parsing on both the client

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2006-08-23 Thread Carson Hager
-CYNERGYMobile: 1.703.489.6466 From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom LeeSent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:22 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides I'm sure someone already

[Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-23 Thread Dave Wolf
which can help. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Wood Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:27 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-23 Thread Ted Patrick
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Wolf Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:25 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides One quite important thing to keep in mind is that in many

[Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-23 Thread Dave Wolf
app. Hope this points you in the right direction. Shan _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rhlarochelle Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:27 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re

Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-23 Thread James Ward
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A few things... First I am working on a demo that will show the performance and bandwidth differences between the various ways of exchanging data between Flex apps and the backend. I'll let everyone know when it's ready... Hopefully next week.

Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-23 Thread James Ward
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sorry for the double post. Forgot to mention one thing... The benefits are also seen with DataService, and ever more so when you use lazyLoading and paging. - -James James Ward wrote: A few things... First I am working on a demo that will

RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-23 Thread Franck de Bruijn
Piller Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:36 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides In the cases where you cannot use remote objects, web services still work great Andrew, do you have any examples when

RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-23 Thread Franck de Bruijn
@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides AMF is faster in 3 fundamental ways: Bandwidth Size Smaller, lighter, faster!!! Parsing Speed Less work on both client and server!!! Developer Productivity Less

[Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-23 Thread Mark Piller
. _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Piller Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:36 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides In the cases where you cannot use

RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides best functionality

2006-08-22 Thread Shannon Hicks
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rhlarochelleSent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:27 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides best functionality Franck,I appreciate your respons. When you say Remote Objects/Flex DataServices provid

Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides best functionality

2006-08-22 Thread Douglas Knudsen
. Hope this points you in the right direction. Shan From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rhlarochelleSent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:27 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems

Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides best functionality

2006-08-22 Thread Douglas Knudsen
it to your app. Hope this points you in the right direction. Shan From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rhlarochelleSent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:27 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend

[Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-22 Thread Dave Wolf
you in the right direction. Shan _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rhlarochelle Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:27 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which

RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-22 Thread Shannon Hicks
22, 2006 3:20 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides I simply have to disagree here. We can demonstrate several inproduction applications which we have developed using SOAP XMLW

Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-22 Thread Ralf Bokelberg
On 8/22/06, Dave Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Worring about 300 milliseconds is like trying to debate the number of angels that could dance on the end of a pin. If the user can't see them, it doesn't matter how many there are. Nice metaphor, I like that :) Cheers, Ralf. -- Flexcoders

Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-22 Thread Douglas Knudsen
direction. Shan_ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rhlarochelle Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:27 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides best functionality Franck, I

Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

2006-08-22 Thread Claus Wahlers
There are many other very smart things you can do like extending existing controls to do streaming rendering of data to provide the perception of speed, server side paging, caching, etc. I fully agree with Dave. In the Flash world, XML has always been ill-reputed as being 'bloated' and