Re: [Flexradio] Will there be a yearly charge for future PSDR releases for non-6000 owners?

2012-05-19 Thread Burt
Buying a ham radio is rarely an INVESTMENT. Saying that is an excuse to buy a want not a need. if I buy a 3D TV is that an INVestment? Investment defined: something in which money is invested: something, e.g. a company, endeavor, or property, that money is invested in with the goal of making a

Re: [Flexradio] Will there be a yearly charge for future PSDR releases for non-6000 owners?

2012-05-19 Thread John Kramer
I go along with the premise of a previous comment, that was raised.which basically said... I have no problem with paying for a MAJOR software upgrade - where major upgrades are made that add significant new features to the Flex radio...such as what was made with the addition of the TNF

Re: [Flexradio] what is the price ????

2012-05-19 Thread Tim Ellison
Elan, Please contact your FlexRadio distributor in the UK for ordering information on the FLEX-6700. Tim Ellison On 5/19/2012 7:25 AM, paim wrote: let me understand the price of the 6700 is $7k U.S but what is it on the web say your price $2100 is this the deposit??? if so the price in

Re: [Flexradio] Will there be a yearly charge for future PSDR releases for non-6000 owners?

2012-05-19 Thread Justin M. Mayrand
Well said and I agree. How many times has a major manufacturer introduced a new whiz-bang radio with a software bug in it. How many times has that bug not be fixed? This one of the reasons I have a Flex to begin with. If I am spending that much on a radio, and little extra is not an issue. I

[Flexradio] the cost

2012-05-19 Thread paim
  just my own opinion since we all live in very bad economy if the price of $7k or any in this area it is very high make me wonder how many people will buy black box for $7k or 7.000 euro or more , ? the price to add for update is make it high as well but not for all of us , I will say if the

Re: [Flexradio] the cost

2012-05-19 Thread Justin M. Mayrand
Interesting idea, but you know, the Yaesu rugs that cost $10,000 and up are selling. If the performance can blow that radio out of the water, then the $7K price is actually a bargain. People with that kind of cash on hand are not really being affected by the bad ecomony as they are wealthy

Re: [Flexradio] the cost

2012-05-19 Thread amsctalx
I heard murmurings about the price of the 6700 on the floor at Dayton yesterday, and expected this to appear on the reflector. I have to say that I find the price on both the 6500 and the 6700 to be extremely fair. What do I base this opinion on? Look at 6000 series pamphlet, and Google the

Re: [Flexradio] the cost

2012-05-19 Thread bearcreekcattery
Observations from a big cat wranglerfor me, the only thing more exciting than working with one of our big cats here at BCFC, a 501(c)(3) non profit feline sanctuary, is taking a break between tours to sneak off and work 6 meters on my little Flex 1500! Now here's the big news: for many of

Re: [Flexradio] the cost

2012-05-19 Thread Rick Tharrington
Good Point Jim also drive down the Flex 3000's:). I still have a lot fun with my Flex 1500. Worked and a nice rig chew with Ed VP9CE (fm72) last night on 6 meters. 5/9+ at times. Hope to make Dayton next year! Rick Kd4jrx FM14ab -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz

[Flexradio] Will there be a yearly charge for future PSDR releases for non-6000 owners?

2012-05-19 Thread SP600
Just another way to suck more money out of its users. Charlie ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz

Re: [Flexradio] the cost

2012-05-19 Thread paim
Burt yes you are right , however there will be some who will buy it if not many of us for sure, this come to my main how many of you bought the 5000c ? I know only of 1 guy in HB9 who have it and I am a lot on the Air 7 days a week speaking to many 100 3000 and 5000 user /and other only one

Re: [Flexradio] Will there be a yearly charge for future PSDR releases for non-6000 owners?

2012-05-19 Thread Neal Campbell
Its fine to have a generally cynical view on life but when you aim it at specific people who do not deserve it, its says more about you than the people you aim it at. Neal On May 19, 2012, at 11:18 AM, sp...@aol.com wrote: Just another way to suck more money out of its users.

Re: [Flexradio] the cost

2012-05-19 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, paim paimg0...@btinternet.com wrote: just my own opinion since we all live in very bad economy if the price of $7k or any in this area it is very high make me wonder how many people will buy black box for $7k or 7.000 euro or more , ? Rumor has it that Flex

[Flexradio] Gps

2012-05-19 Thread Bill Dailey
Is there going to be nmea and pps out from the gps to the main board. I am asking because if pps was sent to a hardware pin and nmea was sent serial to the mainboaed it woul also make a great high precision ntp server. Doc KX0O Sent from my iPhone

Re: [Flexradio] Will there be a yearly charge for future PSDR releases for non-6000 owners?

2012-05-19 Thread Ed Wilson
Colleagues, Please keep in mind that your Flex radio will continue to work in a superb fashion under the most recent software release. If Flex chooses to charge a reasonable amount for future upgrades, you always have the choice of not purchasing those upgrades. I personally have been waiting

Re: [Flexradio] Will there be a yearly charge for future PSDR releases for non-6000 owners?

2012-05-19 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Ed Wilson ed.wil...@ymail.com wrote: Colleagues, Please keep in mind that your Flex radio will continue to work in a superb fashion under the most recent software release. If Flex chooses to charge a reasonable amount for future upgrades, you always have the

Re: [Flexradio] Gps

2012-05-19 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Bill Dailey docdai...@gmail.com wrote: Is there going to be nmea and pps out from the gps to the main board. I am asking because if pps was sent to a hardware pin and nmea was sent serial to the mainboaed it woul also make a great high precision ntp server.

Re: [Flexradio] Will there be a yearly charge for future PSDR releases for non-6000 owners?

2012-05-19 Thread Neal Campbell
But there are very kind and giving people like Dudley and Tim that will go the extra 100 miles to make your radio experience a good one. I have been charging for extended remote support for over a year now and to a person, the people who pay are usually the nicest, easiest people to work with

Re: [Flexradio] Webcam at Hamvention 2012?

2012-05-19 Thread Mike Schwendeman
The LiveStream video URL is here: http://www.livestream.com/flexradiosystems Do note the 6000 under glass in the lower-center! (Mega-COOL!) -Mike- KØJTA On 5/19/12 12:00 PM, flexradio-requ...@flex-radio.biz wrote: Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:12:48 -0500 From: Mike Schwendemanm...@s3com.net

Re: [Flexradio] the cost

2012-05-19 Thread David Painter
Brian, I don't think it has anything to do with UK or even EU Governments per se. (Institutionalised theft (Taxation) I would agree with you. I believe it stems from the relatively poor sales positioning Flex has in Europe and their lack of clout with their dealer network who lock them into

Re: [Flexradio] FlexRadio Digest, Vol 85, Issue 18 Appearance

2012-05-19 Thread W4ABW
Seems the new 6000 looks more like the 5000C. I always hated the boxy look of the 5000. Al W4ABW ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives:

Re: [Flexradio] the cost

2012-05-19 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM, David Painter david.pain...@ntlworld.comwrote: Brian, I don't think it has anything to do with UK or even EU Governments per se. (Institutionalised theft (Taxation) I would agree with you. I believe it stems from the relatively poor sales positioning Flex

Re: [Flexradio] Some 6700 questions

2012-05-19 Thread Mike Schwendeman
_Part 6_ of message #32: 6. Software updates - Not too fond of this but I can understand it I guess. BUT I am concerned that I may have to pay for updates to get basic advertised functions that are not implemented yet at the time of initial shipping...such as remote over the internet (not just

Re: [Flexradio] Webcam at Hamvention 2012?

2012-05-19 Thread Burt
Under glass? So it a concept, not actually working? --- On Sat, 5/19/12, Mike Schwendeman m...@s3com.net wrote: From: Mike Schwendeman m...@s3com.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Webcam at Hamvention 2012? To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012, 2:02 PM The LiveStream video

Re: [Flexradio] Webcam at Hamvention 2012?

2012-05-19 Thread John Kramer
Burt... From what I saw, there were four working units hooked up and on display. The one in the glass box is just an undressed unit to show the inner workings On 19 May 2012, at 8:23 PM, Burt wrote: Under glass? So it a concept, not actually working? --- On Sat, 5/19/12, Mike Schwendeman

Re: [Flexradio] Some 6700 questions

2012-05-19 Thread Tim Ellison
Yes, that is correct. Tim Ellison On 5/19/2012 2:22 PM, Mike Schwendeman wrote: -And so the OPTIONAL one more year would bring this to three years total??? ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz

Re: [Flexradio] Webcam at Hamvention 2012?

2012-05-19 Thread Tim Ellison
The under glass FLEX-6700 is open to see the insides. The FLEX-6700 that is streaming data is on the table. Tim Ellison On 5/19/2012 2:23 PM, Burt wrote: Under glass? So it a concept, not actually working? --- On Sat, 5/19/12, Mike Schwendemanm...@s3com.net wrote: From: Mike

Re: [Flexradio] the cost

2012-05-19 Thread David Painter
I stand to be corrected but I believe that so long as the electronics items concerned is CE Approved and is RoHS Compliant then everything should go smoothly. Thanks for the offer but I have a Brother In Law who would be delighted to do the honours however, after almost five years of

Re: [Flexradio] Some 6700 questions

2012-05-19 Thread iw1ayd
Yes Steve, it is the time to see some changes on the SERIALCAT behavior. It is the time to see some changes in the loggers GUI. After the DOS those several logger GUI are the most ancient relics of the text based era. Nothing wrong to use a VT-100 interfaced to a HAL box, but just as and

[Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-19 Thread Peter G. Viscarola
If the 6000 and SmartSDR live up to their promise, the 6000-series definitely will be the radio I've been waiting for. BRAVO Team Flex, for some truly ground breaking work. Kudos for doing something bold and different. The details on the software seem a bit sketchy so far. 1. On what

[Flexradio] Flexwire accessories in the future?

2012-05-19 Thread vtnn43e
Does Flex have any plans to release any accessories that use the Flexwire port in the near future? If so can you give a hint as to what they would do? Are there any other companies that make make anything to use with that port? Zack N8FNR ___

Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-19 Thread Tim Ellison, W4TME
Peter, See my comments in-line below Tim Ellison, W4TME Product Management, Sales Support FlexRadio Systems^(TM) 4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223 Email: t...@flexradio.com mailto:t...@flexradio.com Web: www.flexradio.com http://www.flexradio.com logo

[Flexradio] Digital modes on the 6000 series

2012-05-19 Thread Dan Parsons
Will DM780 and JT65 work with the Flex-6500 at release time without having to use external audio cables from a real sound card? Dan ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz

Re: [Flexradio] Gps

2012-05-19 Thread Stephen Hicks, N5AC
The on-board optional GPS serves two key purposes: 1) Long-term short-term frequency stability (GPSDO) 2) Capability for unique time-sensitive applications The first is obvious -- the 10 MHz out of the GPS is used as a reference for the master 983.04MHz oscillator which determines the frequency

Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-19 Thread Bill Tracey
Some follow up questions At 02:52 PM 5/19/2012, Tim Ellison, W4TME wrote: 3. Did I read that the audio is kept in the radio on the first release? Yes So the demodulation is done in the radio, not in SmartSDR? If this is the case, things like filters, notches and noise blankers

Re: [Flexradio] Will there be a yearly charge for future PSDR releases for non-6000 owners?

2012-05-19 Thread Steven Hess
I've got no problem paying a reasonable fee for major software improvements to my Flex-3000. Major and minor bug squashing not so much but a yearly fee seems reasonable. People who think you can't charge for the open source part of your software don't understand open source and are free to fork

Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-19 Thread Peter G. Viscarola
Thank you, Tim. Your clear answers are much appreciated. So... is the demodulation and filtering done in the TI Media processor or in the FPGA? Or Both? Not to be a pain, but just for your info: There appears to be a bit of an anomaly in the Transceiver DSP Performance Comparison graphic in

Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-19 Thread Tim Ellison
See my comments below Tim Ellison On 5/19/2012 4:26 PM, Bill Tracey wrote: Some follow up questions At 02:52 PM 5/19/2012, Tim Ellison, W4TME wrote: 3. Did I read that the audio is kept in the radio on the first release? Yes So the demodulation is done in the radio, not in

Re: [Flexradio] Gps

2012-05-19 Thread Jerry Flanders
Many of us already have GPSDO capability - can we use our external GPSDO 10 MHz source with the 6000 like we presently do with the 5000 and 1500? Does the internal one provide any additional functions that our external one does not? Jerry W4UK At 04:09 PM 5/19/2012, Stephen Hicks, N5AC

Re: [Flexradio] Gps

2012-05-19 Thread Stephen Hicks, N5AC
You may use an external GPSDO for the #1 capability I listed. You may not use one for the #2 capability for several reasons. Does this help? Steve Stephen Hicks, N5AC, AAR6AM VP Engineering FlexRadio Systems™ 4616 W Howard Ln Ste 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 x205 Email:

Re: [Flexradio] Gps

2012-05-19 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Stephen Hicks, N5AC st...@flexradio.comwrote: The on-board optional GPS serves two key purposes: 1) Long-term short-term frequency stability (GPSDO) 2) Capability for unique time-sensitive applications The first is obvious -- the 10 MHz out of the GPS is

Re: [Flexradio] Gps

2012-05-19 Thread Jerry Flanders
Photos of the 6000 backside show an RCA jack labelled ALC. Is this a conventional hardware ALC line that allows an external amp to cut the 6000's drive power back if the amp detects an overdrive situation? What is the polarity of the ALC voltage required (I think negative-going to cut back

[Flexradio] 6000

2012-05-19 Thread k4elo
Congratulations Flex! You just took the dynamic range top spot from Yaesu. Brilliant architecture. Steve and crew get a bunch of gold stars. Couldn't resist - had to order one. Now for the long wait. 73 Wayne K4ELO ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing

[Flexradio] ALC connector on back of 6000

2012-05-19 Thread Jerry Flanders
Photos of the 6000 backside show an RCA jack labelled ALC. Is this a conventional hardware ALC line that allows an external amp to cut the 6000's drive power back if the amp detects an overdrive situation? What is the polarity of the ALC voltage required (I think negative-going to cut back

Re: [Flexradio] 6000

2012-05-19 Thread Samuel Strongin
Yea when it is a real radio!! Sam Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2012, at 5:11 PM, k4...@fastmail.fm wrote: Congratulations Flex! You just took the dynamic range top spot from Yaesu. Brilliant architecture. Steve and crew get a bunch of gold stars. Couldn't resist - had to order one.

Re: [Flexradio] Webcam at Hamvention 2012?

2012-05-19 Thread Burt
I wish I had gone there to Dayton Is Flex coming to Boxboro ARRL convention in August I got started with Flex there 4 years ago --- On Sat, 5/19/12, John Kramer jkra...@iafrica.com wrote: Burt... From what I saw, there were four working units hooked up and on display. The one in the

Re: [Flexradio] Gps

2012-05-19 Thread Bill Dailey
So... Yes. Excellent. Next question. Is it going to be at all possible for the end user to play with the embedded part. Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Stephen Hicks, N5AC st...@flexradio.com wrote: The on-board optional GPS serves two key purposes: 1) Long-term

Re: [Flexradio] Gps

2012-05-19 Thread Stephen Hicks, N5AC
On Saturday, May 19, 2012, Jerry Flanders wrote: Photos of the 6000 backside show an RCA jack labelled ALC. Is this a conventional hardware ALC line that allows an external amp to cut the 6000's drive power back if the amp detects an overdrive situation? Yes What is the polarity of the

[Flexradio] Imagine a description of SmartSDR that...

2012-05-19 Thread Jerry Flanders
Would it be possible to publish a description by the Flex software team as to what they speculate will be in the first release and maybe the first couple of updates? Not a firm commitment (plans don't always work out) but a speculative description of what they are working toward and can

Re: [Flexradio] Imagine a description of SmartSDR that...

2012-05-19 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jerry Flanders jefland...@comcast.netwrote: Would it be possible to publish a description by the Flex software team as to what they speculate will be in the first release and maybe the first couple of updates? Not a firm commitment (plans don't always work out)

Re: [Flexradio] Imagine a description of SmartSDR that...

2012-05-19 Thread Ed Haskell
Sadly I think it unlikely that what Jerry asks will materialize. A very vocal minority on this list pilloried FRS and the volunteer developers for delays in earnestly estimated schedules, that were quite understandable to those of us with software development experience, to the end that FRS no

Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-19 Thread Greg
If at some point I change my computers to Mac or Linux will there be a version of smartsdr to work with or will it only be a windows app? Greg On May 19, 2012 1:34 PM, Tim Ellison t.m.ellison...@gmail.com wrote: See my comments below Tim Ellison On 5/19/2012 4:26 PM, Bill Tracey wrote:

Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-19 Thread Tim Ellison
The client / radio architecture allows for different light weight clients running under different operating systems. At this point we have only committed to SmartSDR-Win. -Tim --- Sent from my mobile phone On May 19, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Greg a...@cablespeed.com wrote: If at some point I

Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-19 Thread Ed Haskell
Greg, It appears that SmartSDR is not a Windows app. It runs in the 6000 not on the PC. There will be a user interface app (SmartSDR-win) that runs on the PC. That app will communicate with the 6000 running SmartSDR over an IP/TCP (Ethernet) network, initially on a LAN but eventually over the

Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-19 Thread Ed Haskell
Sorry, my dyslexia got me. I meant to type TCP/IP not the other way around. Ed W1PN On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Ed Haskell haskell...@gmail.com wrote: Greg, It appears that SmartSDR is not a Windows app. It runs in the 6000 not on the PC. There will be a user interface app

Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-19 Thread marcelo
Imagine . I can remotely run a 6000 from a tablet or mobile Marcelo, PY1KN The client / radio architecture allows for different light weight clients running under different operating systems. At this point we have only committed to SmartSDR-Win. -Tim --- Sent from my

Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-19 Thread Greg
Thanks all. Sometimes I think about changing my shack computer to a Mac mini. :-) On May 19, 2012 8:13 PM, Tim Ellison t.m.ellison...@gmail.com wrote: The client / radio architecture allows for different light weight clients running under different operating systems. At this point we have

[Flexradio] Frequency coverage of 6000 rxvr?

2012-05-19 Thread Jerry Flanders
The 6000 brochure states freq coverage of rxvr as 0.03 MHz to 77 MHz on page 3 but from 0.3 MHz to 77 MHz on page 6. Which is it? Thanks Jerry W4UK ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz

Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-19 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Ed Haskell haskell...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, my dyslexia got me. I meant to type TCP/IP not the other way around. It works both ways. Which makes more sense at the moment just depends on which end of the stack you are looking at. ;-) -- Brian Lloyd,