Re: [Flightgear-devel] Small Scheme library

2002-07-03 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 05:04, David Megginson wrote: This claims a 64K object size in Linux: http://tinyscheme.sourceforge.net/home.html Please, don't. Incorporating this will, I think, almost instantly turn off new developers (and at least one current one). It's not possible to pick a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Jim Wilson
Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Now with a different 'approach'. Starting on ground ... $ fgfs --lon=-122.4998 --lat=37.5845 --heading=275 ... and very slowly taxiing over the border. Right when I pass over I get thrown on my back. Ouch ... :-| That did it. There is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] transponder

2002-07-03 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: From my reading of the manual, the transponder FL display is always locked to 29.92 and thus could be significantly different from true altitude as you point out in your previous msg. It'd have to be that way to be useful for ATC. Best, Jim

Re: [Flightgear-devel] transponder

2002-07-03 Thread Gene Buckle
(f) Place the transponder data, if any and according to mode selected, on the property system and ideally expose it in the multiplayer stuff. That will subsequently make it easy to integrate a D-BRITE simulation. H. SquawkBox Pro Controller. :) g.

[Flightgear-devel] FDR playback broken?

2002-07-03 Thread Major A
Hi, has anyone recently used the FDR? I've just recorded a couple of flights with the a4-yasim, and whenever I try to play back the recording, fgfs dies with a segfault. The commands used were the ones from README.IO, and I've used them once a while ago with the c172. Maybe it's a yasim issue?

[Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 15:22: That did it. There is definately something at this location, on my display driven by V3-3000 I see a white line (right side of picture): http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/SanAndreas.png Yes. These small artifacts were always there. But they have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread John Wojnaroski
When I was working on getting the agl calculation functioning with all the viewer changes, I toyed with the idea doing something that ignored sudden (and/or unreasonable) variations to AGL, at least for a few frames. It was mostly in response to what happens when a very fast aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Jim Wilson
John Wojnaroski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Perhaps that explains the problem I've been seeing. When performing autoland approaches in the 747 (approach speeds around 137-150KIAS) the aircraft would suddenly level off at decision height ( 200 ft) and then dive for the runway as it tried to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] transponder

2002-07-03 Thread Alex Perry
Alex Perry writes: (c) Remember that it reports pressure altitude and not any other altitude. Is this true? I thought it was slaved to the altimeter. If so, please scratch the last part of my previous posting. No. Your mode C hardware shares the static port with the altimeter, but uses

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: When I get some time I'll run further tests and maybe come up with a patch to avoid this sort of glitch. It would be helpful if someone happened to know why this gap happens in the scenery data sometimes. I'm sure Curt can talk in more detail, but my guess is that this is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FDR playback broken?

2002-07-03 Thread Andy Ross
Major A wrote: has anyone recently used the FDR? I've just recorded a couple of flights with the a4-yasim, and whenever I try to play back the recording, fgfs dies with a segfault. dumb-question We have a FDR feature with playback??? /dumb-question Andy -- Andrew J. Ross

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Small Scheme library

2002-07-03 Thread David Megginson
Tony Peden writes: This claims a 64K object size in Linux: http://tinyscheme.sourceforge.net/home.html In fact, it turns out to be 64K stripped *executable* size for the standalone interpreter; the object/library is even smaller. Please, don't. I hear your pain. Incorporating

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FDR playback broken?

2002-07-03 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 09:47, Andy Ross wrote: Major A wrote: has anyone recently used the FDR? I've just recorded a couple of flights with the a4-yasim, and whenever I try to play back the recording, fgfs dies with a segfault. dumb-question We have a FDR feature with playback???

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Small Scheme library

2002-07-03 Thread Alex Perry
If someone can supply a core ECMAScript implementation that is small and easy to embed, then we should jump on it; otherwise, the evil of holding back FlightGear development indefinitely might outweigh even the evil of using Scheme. One of the nice things about LISP (and I assume Scheme) is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Small Scheme library

2002-07-03 Thread Christian Mayer
David Megginson wrote: I agree that Scheme will turn a lot of people off, but I'm annoyed that we cannot find a core ECMAScript implementation the same size (even then, the core source code for this is over 200K). A quick google showed: http://ixlib.sourceforge.net/ All of it is ~ 360 kb.

[Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 18:26: Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: A huge value would probably only make the AGL radar flash a wrong value but it wouldn't have further, malign effects. Crash detection is triggered in some cases which will basically shutdown fdm. Any

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: Jim Wilson wrote: When I get some time I'll run further tests and maybe come up with a patch to avoid this sort of glitch. It would be helpful if someone happened to know why this gap happens in the scenery data sometimes. I'm sure Curt can talk in more detail, but my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Small Scheme library

2002-07-03 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 10:09, Christian Mayer wrote: David Megginson wrote: I agree that Scheme will turn a lot of people off, but I'm annoyed that we cannot find a core ECMAScript implementation the same size (even then, the core source code for this is over 200K). A quick google

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Small Scheme library

2002-07-03 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 10:23, Tony Peden wrote: On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 10:09, Christian Mayer wrote: David Megginson wrote: I agree that Scheme will turn a lot of people off, but I'm annoyed that we cannot find a core ECMAScript implementation the same size (even then, the core

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ writes: * Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 18:26: Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: A huge value would probably only make the AGL radar flash a wrong value but it wouldn't have further, malign effects. Crash detection is triggered in some cases which will

[Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 19:32: When I've been the only one to see weird problems it has often helped to do a complete make clean; make; make install Hmmm ... but I interpreted Jim's That did it. There is definately something at this location... that I'm not the only one.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Small Scheme library

2002-07-03 Thread David Megginson
Tony Peden writes: I don't know how many interdependencies there are, but the js related source and headers total 142k. Check that, 212k. That's pretty close. I wonder how bad the dependencies are. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Small Scheme library

2002-07-03 Thread Christian Mayer
David Megginson wrote: Tony Peden writes: I don't know how many interdependencies there are, but the js related source and headers total 142k. Check that, 212k. That's pretty close. I wonder how bad the dependencies are. They said: only STL and Flex But as we'd budle it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Splash screens

2002-07-03 Thread John Check
On Wednesday 03 July 2002 1:59 pm, Cameron Moore wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Check) [2002.07.03 00:32]: On Wednesday 03 July 2002 1:19 am, Cameron Moore wrote: I decided to make a couple splash screens out of some nice screenshots, and I'm curious how they look on other systems --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread John Wojnaroski
That's probably an issue with the autopilot and the 747. It's been difficult finding control factors that work for all the different speeds, compounded by the giant mass of the 747. At those lower speeds the effectiveness of the elevator can change dramatically with relatively small

[Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 19:41: But I will now eradicate all my object files and make everything clean. Done. Same problem. Unfortunately, I'm neither familiar with the scenery handling, nor with the vector stuff. But I'll try to find out more ... :-/ m.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ writes: * Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 19:41: But I will now eradicate all my object files and make everything clean. Done. Same problem. Unfortunately, I'm neither familiar with the scenery handling, nor with the vector stuff. But I'll try to find out more ...

[Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Does anyone have any objections to lowering the relative volume of the gear and flaps in the default cessna 172? Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ writes: * Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 21:30: Can you dump out the ground elevation every frame and see what that does as you fly over a seam and hit the invisible wall? I did this already and posted the results in this thread. Do you want to see more? A

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ writes: * Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 21:35: It would be interesting to also see the actual ground elevation along with the other numbers you posted. Ahh, sorry. I mixed up altitude with ground elevation. May take a while, I'm not sure if the jsbsim log

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson writes: Did you try rolling out from the position that Melchior included in this mornings message (the one with the agl data)? I couldn't replicate before but I can by rolling on the ground (a couple feet) from that position. Just curious to know if you do. I thought Melchior

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Jim Wilson
Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 18:26: Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: A huge value would probably only make the AGL radar flash a wrong value but it wouldn't have further, malign effects. Crash detection is triggered in some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Jim Wilson writes: Did you try rolling out from the position that Melchior included in this mornings message (the one with the agl data)? I couldn't replicate before but I can by rolling on the ground (a couple feet) from that position. Just

[Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 21:39: You could also insert a cout/printf in the main loop ... Plan B was to use the built-in logger. But apart from the table head I don't get any information. Now up to cout then ... m. ___

[Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 21:55: I'm sorry, must have misunderstood your message. I was only describing the effect from a programmer's perspective, not stating that it was acceptible. My question was just to discover if you noticed anything else, like your monitor exploding,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ writes: Never mind. I just try to be a serious pilot, and dying in a plane crash is pretty dramatic. And, as a non-Micros~1 user, random crashes are generally undesirable for me. :-] Ignoring my own previous statement about avoiding politics -- I've seen a lot of varient

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I agree that random/periodic bugs are insidious and frustrating and makes the software look like crap; therefore we should have a 'culture' of agressive pursuit of these problems. But, unfortunately I can't replicate your particular problem here which makes it

[Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Andy Ross -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 22:30: Now, 2m doesn't sound like a lot to worry about [...] Well, I wouldn't like to drive my car in a 2m high wall. That must be quite unpleasant even at lower speeds. m. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list

[Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 22:29: [...] but I hadn't seen MICROS~1 yet ... got a chuckle out of it. :-) Hey, that's how they are spelling their name themselves, even on NT-boxes. I didn't know whether I should be amused or shocked when I saw it first. :- m.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Melchior FRANZ writes: Never mind. I just try to be a serious pilot, and dying in a plane crash is pretty dramatic. And, as a non-Micros~1 user, random crashes are generally undesirable for me. :-] Ignoring my own previous statement about

re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume

2002-07-03 Thread Gene Buckle
It was a particularly nasty trick on a 172M, which uses an up/down toggle switch rather than a slider for flaps, but I caught on when the plane wouldn't climb at 70kt with full power. humor Next time, look to your left and a little bit up and to the rear. If there's a big honkin' chunk of

re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Gene Buckle writes: humor Next time, look to your left and a little bit up and to the rear. If there's a big honkin' chunk of metal blocking your view, check the flap switch. *huge grin* /humor The other one I've learned from real experience (as a passenger). If while you are looking a

re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume

2002-07-03 Thread Gene Buckle
Gene Buckle writes: humor Next time, look to your left and a little bit up and to the rear. If there's a big honkin' chunk of metal blocking your view, check the flap switch. *huge grin* /humor The other one I've learned from real experience (as a passenger). If while you are

[Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jim Wilson -- Wednesday 03 July 2002 22:45: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q143395 OK, we want to avoid politics ... but when Windows 98 was released, Apple had an advertisement campain which basically consisted of the string C:\CONGRTLS.W98 m.

re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume

2002-07-03 Thread David Megginson
Gene Buckle writes: It was a particularly nasty trick on a 172M, which uses an up/down toggle switch rather than a slider for flaps, but I caught on when the plane wouldn't climb at 70kt with full power. humor Next time, look to your left and a little bit up and to the rear. If

re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume

2002-07-03 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: The other one I've learned from real experience (as a passenger). If while you are looking a little up and to the rear to check flap status, if you also notice a big plume of something that looks a lot like smoke coming off one or both wings, land and check your

re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume

2002-07-03 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 14:04, Gene Buckle wrote: Gene Buckle writes: humor Next time, look to your left and a little bit up and to the rear. If there's a big honkin' chunk of metal blocking your view, check the flap switch. *huge grin* /humor The other one I've learned from

re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Gene Buckle writes: Gene Buckle writes: humor Next time, look to your left and a little bit up and to the rear. If there's a big honkin' chunk of metal blocking your view, check the flap switch. *huge grin* /humor The other one I've learned from real experience (as a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:00:45 +0200 Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C:\CONGRTLS.W98 I don't get it. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume

2002-07-03 Thread Alex Perry
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 14:04, Gene Buckle wrote: The other one I've learned from real experience (as a passenger). If while you are looking a little up and to the rear to check flap status, if you also notice a big plume of something that looks a lot like smoke coming off one or both

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:00:45 +0200 Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C:\CONGRTLS.W98 I don't get it. It was actually for the release of Windows 95 and it translates to Congradulations Windows 95 g. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon S Berndt writes: On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:00:45 +0200 Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C:\CONGRTLS.W98 I don't get it. In unix this would probably translate to something like cw98 (to save typing.) Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project

[Flightgear-devel] Nav and Guidance Made Easy(?)

2002-07-03 Thread Jonathan Polley
I was always unsure about the basics of navigation and guidance until I listened to this .wav file, then everything made sense! I'm sure some of you nav people have heard it before, but it is funny. It is suppose to be from an official US Air Force training file, but it sounds as if the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Small Scheme library

2002-07-03 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 11:40, David Megginson wrote: Tony Peden writes: I don't know how many interdependencies there are, but the js related source and headers total 142k. Check that, 212k. That's pretty close. I wonder how bad the dependencies are. OK, I've gotten the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nav and Guidance Made Easy(?)

2002-07-03 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 14:50, Jonathan Polley wrote: I was always unsure about the basics of navigation and guidance until I listened to this .wav file, then everything made sense! I'm sure some of you nav people have heard it before, but it is funny. It is suppose to be from an official

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: crashes at tile borders revisited

2002-07-03 Thread Julian Foad
Andy Ross wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: I agree that random/periodic bugs are insidious and frustrating and makes the software look like crap; therefore we should have a 'culture' of agressive pursuit of these problems. But, unfortunately I can't replicate your particular problem

Re: [Flightgear-devel] dc3 effectiveness=nnn for both hstab andvstab

2002-07-03 Thread Andy Ross
This is great stuff; apologies for forgetting to respond yesterday. :) Dave Perry wrote: I was able to get good control (vtab effectiveness) and early tail up (htab effectiveness) with both values at 2.25. It was easier with both values at 2.5. I then shot a number of touch-n-goes using

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nav and Guidance Made Easy(?)

2002-07-03 Thread Christian Mayer
Jonathan Polley wrote: I was always unsure about the basics of navigation and guidance until I listened to this .wav file, then everything made sense! I'm sure some of you nav people have heard it before, but it is funny. It is suppose to be from an official US Air Force training file,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Small Scheme library

2002-07-03 Thread Christian Mayer
Tony Peden wrote: On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 11:40, David Megginson wrote: Tony Peden writes: I don't know how many interdependencies there are, but the js related source and headers total 142k. Check that, 212k. That's pretty close. I wonder how bad the dependencies are.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Small Scheme library

2002-07-03 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 15:50, Christian Mayer wrote: Tony Peden wrote: On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 11:40, David Megginson wrote: Tony Peden writes: I don't know how many interdependencies there are, but the js related source and headers total 142k. Check that, 212k.

[Flightgear-devel] Competition for FGFS at LinuxWorld ?

2002-07-03 Thread Alex Perry
by Rick Lehrbaum -- Executive Editor, LinuxDevices.com GUESS WHO'S COMING TO LINUXWORLD? As if to fulfill Malcolm Dean's prophecy (preceding story), word spread around Linux and Open Source oriented websites like wildfire this week that Microsoft Corp. will be an exhibitor