Re: [Flightgear-devel] forwarded message from Henti Smith

2003-01-18 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: David Megginson writes: Jon S Berndt writes: Child: Mommy! Daddy: She's not here. Child: Daddy! Mommy: He's not here, either. Child: !? ... ? ... ... snore 20 years and $50,000 later: Therapist: So why do you think you have this pathological fear of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] KSFO International Terminal

2003-01-18 Thread James Turner
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 12:44 am, David Megginson wrote: Michael Basler writes: as an interim report, the guy with the FS98 add-on KSFO scenery did not answer until now (but mail did not bounce either). I'll stay tuned, but doubt he will... it's just been so long ago and he did

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Displaced thresholds

2003-01-18 Thread James Turner
That looks pretty similar to what I've been aiming for (screenshot of current progress at http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~eazdluf/taxidraw.jpg - and yes I know its currently windoze only - its just a fast prototype proof-of-concept and I'll port it to a multiplatform toolkit if it works). It

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ Thanks, my Hungarian is fine, but there is no

Re: [Flightgear-devel] KSFO International Terminal

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
James Turner writes: Actually, I'll be flying into KSFO at the start of march (going to GDC again), so I can easily get snap away .. the problem is I'm unlikely to get good shots out the window of a 747, hopefully some good elevation ones of the terminal after touch-down though. It

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Displaced thresholds

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
James Turner writes: Hmm, having said it's pointless, it occurs to me it may have safety-training implications for pilots to teach them there's other things besides aircraft they need to watch out for. I'll leave such considerations to the real pilots though. They're supposed to yield

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Displaced thresholds

2003-01-18 Thread Charles Puffer
David Megginson wrote: James Turner writes: Hmm, having said it's pointless, it occurs to me it may have safety-training implications for pilots to teach them there's other things besides aircraft they need to watch out for. I'll leave such considerations to the real pilots though.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Displaced thresholds

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Charles Puffer writes: An old nautical saying. meaning if you have the right of way you have to worry about the other guy stopping while if you do not have the right of way all you have to worry about is stopping. Fortunately, a Skyhawk or Cherokee at proper taxi speed can stop almost

[Flightgear-devel] Missing -kb in CVS repositories

2003-01-18 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Hello, there are several corrupted files in my Windows CVS workspace, presumably because these files were not tagged binary. Among them : base package/Docs/getstart.pdf base package/Docs/FGShortRef.pdf SimGear/src-libs/metakit-2.4.3.tar.gz SimGear/src-libs/zlib-1.1.4.tar.gz Could someone

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Displaced thresholds

2003-01-18 Thread Norman Vine
Charles Puffer warning historical quotes and smugness alert --- It is a privilege to be burdened and a burden to be privileged. An old nautical saying. meaning if you have the right of way you have to worry about the other guy stopping while if you do not have the right of way all

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Displaced thresholds

2003-01-18 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Charles Puffer writes: An old nautical saying. meaning if you have the right of way you have to worry about the other guy stopping while if you do not have the right of way all you have to worry about is stopping. Fortunately, a Skyhawk or Cherokee at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] KSFO International Terminal

2003-01-18 Thread Erik Hofman
James Turner wrote: Incidentally, if anyone fancies doing up EHAM (Amsterdam Schipol), I could try and get some shots of that too, though similar issues apply. I've got a copy of schiphol in VRML. but since the author never responded on my request to be able to use it in FlightGear I never

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Displaced thresholds

2003-01-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
James Turner writes: Just wanted to provide some ideas based on the Fly! Taxiways Editor (which is an excellent tool, once you get over the learning curve..). Basically, you can import an airport diagram (bitmap), and define the lat/lon of two points on it (usually the start and end of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: Major A writes: Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ Thanks, my Hungarian is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Missing -kb in CVS repositories

2003-01-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Frederic Bouvier writes: Hello, there are several corrupted files in my Windows CVS workspace, presumably because these files were not tagged binary. Among them : base package/Docs/getstart.pdf base package/Docs/FGShortRef.pdf SimGear/src-libs/metakit-2.4.3.tar.gz

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: Major A writes: Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ Thanks, my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Major A
I can find nothing anywhere else suggesting a new runway at Ferihegy. Landing on taxiways or even at the wrong airport is not completely without precident. LOL... I can assure you it was the right airport, and given that no reversers and only little wheelbrake was used, the runway must

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Missing -kb in CVS repositories

2003-01-18 Thread Frederic Bouvier
From: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frederic Bouvier writes: Hello, there are several corrupted files in my Windows CVS workspace, presumably because these files were not tagged binary. Among them : base package/Docs/getstart.pdf base package/Docs/FGShortRef.pdf

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Major A writes: LOL... I can assure you it was the right airport, and given that no reversers and only little wheelbrake was used, the runway must have been quite long, certainly longer than the taxiway in that direction. The crew was quite professional, the landing was exceptionally smooth

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Major A
Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the aircaft. I was pretty amazed that it actually worked when I tried it on my last flight.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: The only thing I can imagine is that it was a DME approach, and we did a very gradual right turn in the last 10 minutes -- but that would have required more room really. And there is no navaid in the right place anyway. No way we could have turned left into 31R, that would

Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib 1.6 problems fixed (?)

2003-01-18 Thread Jim Wilson
Looks good now. No problem building with 1.6. Best, Jim David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Major A writes: I still get this: g++-2.95 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../src/Include -I../.. -I../../src -I/usr/local/SimGear/include -I/usr/X11R6/include

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the aircaft. I was pretty amazed that it actually worked when I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Major A
The only thing I can imagine is that it was a DME approach, and we did a very gradual right turn in the last 10 minutes -- but that would have required more room really. And there is no navaid in the right place anyway. No way we could have turned left into 31R, that would have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Christian Mayer
David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the aircaft. I was pretty amazed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Christian Mayer writes: David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Norman Vine
Christian Mayer writes: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... Or a savy customer relations staff that trains it's crews to make the passengers feel important :-) Norman

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Major A
Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is? Captain: Hey, can you hold onto the yoke for a few

[Flightgear-devel] ANN: New Menu Bar; dialogs for clouds, winds, and air

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
The new XML-configured menubar is now the default for FlightGear; configure --with-old-menubar to get the old one (which I'll keep around for now, until we're sure the new one is working OK). Please, everyone, give the new menubar a spin, and take a look at $FG_ROOT/gui/menubar.xml and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: I guess the navigator never uses any of the old radar etc. equipment anymore... The radar equipment is usually for weather, terrain, and traffic detection, not for primary navigation. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: That's what I thought, but the sky was clear and we could see all the lights on the ground. If it was at night, then anything you saw was especially unreliable. Pilots have a hard time flying VFR at night even with a full view out the front, and everything you see looks

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Christian Mayer writes: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is? The PC-12 is supposed to be a very

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Major A
If it was at night, then anything you saw was especially unreliable. Pilots have a hard time flying VFR at night even with a full view out the front, and everything you see looks different. You were probably just on the approach to 13L/R. That would have taken us straight over the city,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Tony Peden
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 09:50, David Megginson wrote: Christian Mayer writes: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Tony Peden
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 10:02, Tony Peden wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 09:50, David Megginson wrote: Christian Mayer writes: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Christian Mayer
Major A wrote: Anyone know any good ways of getting permission to get onto the flight deck for a commercial flight? (I'm not thinking of box cutters, BTW.) (Also, I'm not a pilot and don't know the crew.) Before 9/11 it was no problem at all - just ask a passing stewardess. After 9/11 I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: New Menu Bar; dialogs for clouds, winds, and air

2003-01-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: The new XML-configured menubar is now the default for FlightGear; configure --with-old-menubar to get the old one (which I'll keep around for now, until we're sure the new one is working OK). Please, everyone, give the new menubar a spin, and take a look at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Tony Peden writes: Altitude and rate of change of DME ought to work too ... That is assuming you are on a radial, of course. ... which is always the case with a Victor airway. You can also discount altitude unless you're very close to the station, since the difference between slant

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: New Menu Bar; dialogs for clouds, winds, and air

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: One thing I'd like to have is a --disable-menu/--enable-menu option so that we can have the menu start off by default if we want. Yes, I need to reinstate show/hide menu -- thanks for the reminder. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Tony Peden
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 09:19, Major A wrote: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is?

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Michael Basler
Tony, Anyone know any good ways of getting permission to get onto the flight deck for a commercial flight? (I'm not thinking of box cutters, BTW.) (Also, I'm not a pilot and don't know the crew.) It is illegal in the U.S. until after the flight. It was legal in Germany before September,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: New Menu Bar; dialogs for clouds, winds, and air

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Michael Basler writes: One issue: When I make a selection from the Weather menu the dialog box opens as it should. However, after only pressing either OK or Cancel the simulator silently dies with a stackdump as follows: _ token = OBJECT_BASE name =

[Flightgear-devel] New Command: property-cycle

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
I've added a new command to cycle a property through an enumerated list of values. It looks like this: binding commandproperty-cycle/command property/foo/bar/property valuevalue1/value valuevalue2/value valuevalue3/value /binding If the current value is value1, it will change

RE: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: New Menu Bar; dialogs for clouds, winds, and air

2003-01-18 Thread Michael Basler
David, That looks like it's just program output. Can you get a proper backtrace in gdb or some other debugger? This would imply me knowing how to use it. I am not a programmer, just an ordinary poor physicist... I analyzed a core file with gdb once. However, FG doesn't dump a core file

RE: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: New Menu Bar; dialogs for clouds, winds, and air

2003-01-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Typically you run fgfs from within gdb. Something like bash$ gdb fgfs gdb run --fgfs-option1 --fgfs-option2 Then when you get a crash you can type: gdb where To get a back trace. Regards, Curt. Michael Basler writes: David, That looks like it's just program output. Can you get a

RE: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: New Menu Bar; dialogs for clouds, winds, and air

2003-01-18 Thread Michael Basler
Curt, David I already messed a bit around with gdb, but it always died. Mean issue was I set --fg_root= instead of fg-root= :-((( It now does run. However, after selecting the button in question, flightgear never dies completely. Instead, it hangs infinitely. I had to kill it manually. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: New Menu Bar; dialogs for clouds, winds, and air

2003-01-18 Thread Norman Vine
Michael Basler writes: That looks like it's just program output. Can you get a proper backtrace in gdb or some other debugger? This would imply me knowing how to use it. I am not a programmer, just an ordinary poor physicist... I analyzed a core file with gdb once. However, FG doesn't

[Flightgear-devel] Question about Mac os X 10.2 fg development

2003-01-18 Thread Ima Sudonim
Is the new version of PLIB required or optional for the fg source downloaded from cvs by the latest changes? Are there any changes to the SL directory that are required by flightgear? Also, does anyone know where I can find Atlas (specifically the atlas viewer) binaries to work with fg? Or

[Flightgear-devel] [patch] Build fixes

2003-01-18 Thread Johan Walles
Here are the two modifications I had to make to get flightgear (just updated from CVS) to build. The first one is for being able to specify SimGear's location at the ./configure command line, and the second one is to be able to link. Cheers //Johan ? buildfixes.patch Index: configure.ac

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question about Mac os X 10.2 fg development

2003-01-18 Thread Jonathan Polley
Ima, I would use version 1.6 of plib. I have not been able to get the latest CVS to build for me (there is a problem with the new joystick code for MacOS X). The only other change I have is a minor tweak to src/ssg/ssgVtxTable.cxx for some performance improvements. I have never tried to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: New Menu Bar; dialogs for clouds,winds, and air

2003-01-18 Thread Bernie Bright
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:39:32 -0500 David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new XML-configured menubar is now the default for FlightGear; configure --with-old-menubar to get the old one (which I'll keep around for now, until we're sure the new one is working OK). Please, everyone, give

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: New Menu Bar; dialogs for clouds,winds, and air

2003-01-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Bernie Bright writes: On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:39:32 -0500 David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new XML-configured menubar is now the default for FlightGear; configure --with-old-menubar to get the old one (which I'll keep around for now, until we're sure the new one is working

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: New Menu Bar; dialogs for clouds,winds, and air

2003-01-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David, I'm not sure your thinking on this, but the Reset option has disappeared. That's kind of nice if you want to do a complete reset of everything. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL

[Flightgear-devel] IVAO support?

2003-01-18 Thread Major A
Damn, I'm starting to feel rather uncomfortable asking all these questions without actually contributing... I've recently come across a website which promises to be a global aviation simulation platform: http://www.ivao.org/ You can connect as a pilot or air traffic controller, using TCP/IP