Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Vivian Meazza
Lets hope that youre correct. Right now we have _fewer_ features, and a _lower_ frame rate. I hope that adding back the features we used to have wont further reduce the frame rate, let alone adding new ones. Were in danger of limiting the use of FG to high end machines. I have a

[Flightgear-devel] Again: VATSIM and FlightGear?

2006-11-06 Thread Holger Wirtz
Hello *, I am new to the FlightGear developer list and so I know not very much about former discusions about FlightGear and VATSIM. I try to build a realtime radio for FlightGear based on VoIP (I have already an alpha release - I just have to test this software behind NAT). The next step would

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG - Bugs

2006-11-06 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi, Vivian Meazza wrote: Ralf Gerlich wrote: - transparency issues: The reflector gun sight on the Seahawk does the same. So I would assume that it's a transparency ordering bug. I just remembered that I had a similar issue with transparency in the plib-only version. I'm currently working on

[Flightgear-devel] patch for groundcache.cxx problem

2006-11-06 Thread Tim Moore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was seeing the problem of falling through the earth in w070n40. With this patch I can run successfully starting with --airport=kpqi. Tim -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear starting time

2006-11-06 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Quoting Thomas Biwer : Indeed, the problem seems to be in some plib code, since he points me towards the file ssgloadac.cxx , line 898 which says: loader_fd = fopen ( filename, ra ) ; You need a newer plib ( svn or the proposed pre-1.8.5 tarball ). This line is faulty and need to be changed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Quoting Vivian Meazza : Let's hope that you're correct. Right now we have _fewer_ features, and a _lower_ frame rate. I hope that adding back the features we used to have won't further reduce the frame rate, let alone adding new ones. We're in danger of limiting the use of FG to high end

Re: [Flightgear-devel] trouble installing plib

2006-11-06 Thread Martin Spott
Olaf Flebbe wrote: I am not able to install plib on a solaris 9 sun machine. I run the ./configure and no errors are shown. When i do make i get this error: Error code 1 make:fatal error:command failed to target 'pu.o' This is a FlightGear list, not a plib list ;-) and, BTW,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend

2006-11-06 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote: Good job Durk and Robin, thanks for the report and for all your work! Seconded, Martin. P.S.: ;-)) -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear and VATSIM

2006-11-06 Thread Holger Wirtz
George, On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 08:57:41PM +1030, George Patterson wrote: [...] But there has been some talk about stand-alone bridging software AFAIK. The background of my question was the following: If there are ideas to implement VATSIM I need not to go on to implenent something

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend

2006-11-06 Thread Vassilii Khachaturov
Hi John, Jon S. Berndt wrote: It might be a good idea to have printed a few copies of some of the technical reports that have been presented for FlightGear and related or constituent parts. For instance, I presented a paper on JSBSim in 2004 at the AIAA Modeling and Simulation

Re: [Flightgear-devel] water landing

2006-11-06 Thread Martin Spott
syd wrote: Now THAT had to be embarrasing! Actually while researching floats with retractable wheels for the DHC-2 , [...] Mmmmh, this definitely is an aircraft that I'd love to fly during my 'career' as private pilot - this aircraft just has 'charisma' ! Ok, I'd try to avoid the nose-dive

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear and VATSIM

2006-11-06 Thread Didier Fabert
Le lundi 6 novembre 2006 11:43, Holger Wirtz a écrit : Ok, I see the problem. But I think it will be difficult to get a big community for atc flying and it will be more difficult to build the same atc applications for a new protocol. Maybe a new protocol will be better and really open - but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bo105, the different helicopter

2006-11-06 Thread Martin Spott
Maik Justus wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKPREi3TGXwmode=relatedsearch= Oh man, this is one of the _really_ old MBB demo movies with the 'hot-and-high'-equipped BO105. I've seen that movie before, it must be at least 15 years old Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user

Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear CVS and amd64

2006-11-06 Thread Martin Spott
Hi Alexis, alexis bory wrote: CVS version will segfault with many aicraft due to the switch to OSG, but it works fine with OSG compatible aircrafts. Would you mind creating a short list of aircraft that you know to be 'compatible' ? Thanks, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Martin Spott
Vivian Meazza wrote: Let's hope that you're correct. Right now we have _fewer_ features, and a _lower_ frame rate. I hope that adding back the features we used to have won't further reduce the frame rate, let alone adding new ones. Hey, guys, you're talking about a _development_ source code

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear and VATSIM

2006-11-06 Thread Martin Spott
Holger Wirtz wrote: All I want wo avoid is to write code for something that will never be used because there are plans for connecting to other well known available services - if they are open source or not. Please let us slow down this topic for a few days as the FlightGear people at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Vivian Meazza
Martin Spott Vivian Meazza wrote: Let's hope that you're correct. Right now we have _fewer_ features, and a _lower_ frame rate. I hope that adding back the features we used to have won't further reduce the frame rate, let alone adding new ones. Hey, guys, you're talking about a

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Launcher source code location.

2006-11-06 Thread Leidson Campos A. Ferreira
I need the latest FlightGear launcher source code.Anyone knows where to get it ?Thanks,LeidsonPlanetaMessenger.org - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Launcher source code location.

2006-11-06 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Quoting Leidson Campos A. Ferreira : I need the latest FlightGear launcher source code. Anyone knows where to get it ? If you write about fgrun, go to http://sourceforge.net/projects/fgrun You'll be able to get the latest development sources via SVN or download the released tarball. -Fred

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Quoting Vivian Meazza : Martin Spott Vivian Meazza wrote: Let's hope that you're correct. Right now we have _fewer_ features, and a _lower_ frame rate. I hope that adding back the features we used to have won't further reduce the frame rate, let alone adding new ones. Hey,

[Flightgear-devel] MSVC Linking trouble

2006-11-06 Thread Thomas Biwer
I'm now posting this in another thread because the FlightGear Starting time thread doesnt seem to be the right location for my problem now. I compiled FG 0.9.10 release version with MSVC 2005 Express and was facing some weired problem causing FG to crash every time I tried to start it. As I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Vivian Meazza
Frederic Bouvier Quoting Vivian Meazza : Martin Spott Vivian Meazza wrote: Let's hope that you're correct. Right now we have _fewer_ features, and a _lower_ frame rate. I hope that adding back the features we used to have won't further reduce the frame rate, let

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Martin Spott
Vivian Meazza wrote: Yes, I saw you had fixed that, but that's the only one with that particular problem. Since it worked under plib, and AC3D didn't complain, [...] In his 'announcement' Mathias has been mentioning that the AC3D-loader still requires some further finishing. I wouldn't worry

[Flightgear-devel] Airport - facilities

2006-11-06 Thread Darko Tasovac
Hi all, I've started to add airport facilities on some airports. I've finished almost everything but the airport name (http://www.airport-belgrade.co.yu/upload/images/galerije/eksterijer/velike/t2zgrukoso.JPG,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Again: VATSIM and FlightGear?

2006-11-06 Thread Curtis Olson
Hi Holger,Yes, I think a separate black box gateway application to vatsim would be a very plausible way to move forward. You could keep all the NDA/Proprietary stuff in it's own sandbox and separate from FlightGear. That way you don't have to worry about incompatible license issues. Your black box

[Flightgear-devel] XML Property synonym mechanism?

2006-11-06 Thread Rémi Lafage
Hi, Is it possible to specify the assignment of a property from another property in XML files? The property-assign command would do the thing but requires a user input. In fact I would like to know whether I can specify a property synonym by XML. My need comes from the fact I am trying to make

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Airport - facilities

2006-11-06 Thread Darko Tasovac
I dont know. Do you have an example xml? Where do you put this encoding utf-8 font, name TTFBookman, font height 2000 mm, font width 500mm, font depth -200mm, text sr_YU: AERODROM BEOGRAD +logo +en_GB: BELGRADE AIRPORT ? Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:53:41 +0100, Darko wrote in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A newby.

2006-11-06 Thread Maik Justus
Hi, Magus schrieb: Hello All, ... I would like to know: a) What's the preferred Windows CVS tool? Don't know. I am using cygwin cvs, but there is wincvs, which could be easier to use/install. b) How do I find and access your CVS repository? It's summarized on several places,

[Flightgear-devel] wiki.flightgear.org slower and slower, when not down

2006-11-06 Thread alexis bory
hi, How to contact the server maintener? The wiki was very slow the last days and now it's not usable anymore. Alexis - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Selon Vivian Meazza : Yes, I saw you had fixed that, but that's the only one with that particular problem. Since it worked under plib, and AC3D didn't complain, I would never have worked that one out - thank you. If only the rest were that easy - the others seem to be keyboard/panel control

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Launcher source code location.

2006-11-06 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Selon Leidson Campos A. Ferreira : If you write about fgrun, go to http://sourceforge.net/projects/fgrun Yes, That right ! You'll be able to get the latest development sources via SVN or download the released tarball. I've downloaded the released tarball and now I'm trying to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Airport - facilities

2006-11-06 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Selon Darko Tasovac : Hi all, I've started to add airport facilities on some airports. I've finished almost everything but the airport name (http://www.airport-belgrade.co.yu/upload/images/galerije/eksterijer/velike/t2zgrukoso.JPG,

[Flightgear-devel] OSG ac3d loader

2006-11-06 Thread Douglas Campos
Some of you (Olaf?) knows what is the acceptance status of ac3d loader patch from upstream mantainers? thanx Douglas Campos - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend

2006-11-06 Thread Durk Talsma
On Monday 06 November 2006 11:29, Martin Spott wrote: Curtis Olson wrote: Good job Durk and Robin, thanks for the report and for all your work! Seconded, Martin. P.S.: ;-)) Thanks (BIG :-))! Hope you had a good trip home. Okay, I promised some pictures now that my linux box is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] wiki.flightgear.org slower and slower, when not down

2006-11-06 Thread Simon Hollier
On 11/6/06, alexis bory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi,How to contact the server maintener? The wiki was very slow the lastdays and now it's not usable anymore.AlexisAlexis, I've noticed the same problem and I'm contacting my web hosting company regarding the slowness. It is a shared hosting server

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bo105, the different helicopter

2006-11-06 Thread Maik Justus
Yes, they are very old (probably much older than 15 years?), but they are still very impressive (maybe the most impressive heli videos I saw). Maik Martin Spott schrieb: Oh man, this is one of the _really_ old MBB demo movies with the 'hot-and-high'-equipped BO105. I've seen that movie before,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Airport - facilities

2006-11-06 Thread Maik Justus
Hi Darko, Darko Tasovac schrieb: Hi all, I've started to add airport facilities on some airports. I've finished almost everything but the airport name (http://www.airport-belgrade.co.yu/upload/images/galerije/eksterijer/velike/t2zgrukoso.JPG,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Maik Justus
Hi, I have on win (msvc express, with Olafs easy to use project files) on a P4M 2,2Ghz 1GB GeForce FX Go 5600 about half the frame rate with osg than with plib. The frame rate is so low (~10fps), that fg is not flyable (and without the plib branch it would be not possible, to check/improve

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Vivian Meazza
Fred wrote: Selon Vivian Meazza : Yes, I saw you had fixed that, but that's the only one with that particular problem. Since it worked under plib, and AC3D didn't complain, I would never have worked that one out - thank you. If only the rest were that easy - the others seem to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend

2006-11-06 Thread Martin Spott
Durk Talsma wrote: Okay, I promised some pictures now that my linux box is online again: http://durktalsma.xs4all.nl/FlightGear/fsweekend/web/ You know: The magic behind a smooth landing is a carefully prepared approach - this counts for the Eiffel Tower as well ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Olaf Flebbe
Hi, I hope the total freedom of using features given by OSG will encourage us to think about more clever ways to do things, that could be beneficial in the end. Thanks Frederic. I too think, there are many things which can be improved considarably and which will lead to higher performance

Re: [Flightgear-devel] MSVC Linking trouble

2006-11-06 Thread Olaf Flebbe
Now I m stuck in the linking progress of FlightGear, there are some unresolved symbols and I dont know how to fix them: FlightgearLib.lib(auto_gui.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol public: void __thiscall puObject::setColourScheme(float,float,float,float) This symbol should

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG ac3d loader

2006-11-06 Thread Olaf Flebbe
Douglas Campos schrieb: Some of you (Olaf?) knows what is the acceptance status of ac3d loader patch from upstream mantainers? Mathias told me that he has not posted it to the OpenSceneGraph people. He is working to get it upstream before the 1.3 OSG release. Olaf

[Flightgear-devel] OSG Issues

2006-11-06 Thread Olaf Flebbe
Hi, I think it is better to collect all the problems and workarounds on a specific wiki page. I found out that there is alread a existing one, so I enhanced the OpenSceneGraph topic http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=OpenSceneGraph with known problems collected out of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Olaf Flebbe
Hi, I think too that we have to support the plib branch quite a while. The idea to do the OSG switch in CVS head was that the OSG developers do not have the efforts for porting features from branch back to HEAD. So please work in the pre-OSG branch until the performance issue is solved. But

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG ac3d loader

2006-11-06 Thread Douglas Campos
thanks! On 11/6/06, Olaf Flebbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Douglas Campos schrieb: Some of you (Olaf?) knows what is the acceptance status of ac3d loader patch from upstream mantainers? Mathias told me that he has not posted it to the OpenSceneGraph people. He is working to get it upstream

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Issues

2006-11-06 Thread alexis bory
Olaf Flebbe wrote : I found out that there is alread a existing one, so I enhanced the OpenSceneGraph topic http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=OpenSceneGraph I'm currently setting up a list of working/segfaulting aircrafts (ac3d files problems), but I test only on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?

2006-11-06 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, Quote Olaf Flebbe: I think too that we have to support the plib branch quite a while. The idea to do the OSG switch in CVS head was that the OSG developers do not have the efforts for porting features from branch back to HEAD. So please work in the pre-OSG branch until the performance

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Issues

2006-11-06 Thread alexis bory
alexis bory a écrit : Olaf Flebbe wrote : I found out that there is alread a existing one, so I enhanced the OpenSceneGraph topic http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=OpenSceneGraph I'm currently setting up a list of working/segfaulting aircrafts (ac3d files

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG question ...

2006-11-06 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
Hi, Sorry for the late answer. I was out for the weekend ... On Thursday 02 November 2006 07:29, syd wrote: This is just a question to satisfy my curiosity , but what was the reason for choosing OpenSceneGraph over OpenSG ? The answer probably is obvious , just not to me ... I believe that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Issues

2006-11-06 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Monday 06 November 2006 23:46, Olaf Flebbe wrote: I think it is better to collect all the problems and workarounds on a specific wiki page. I found out that there is alread a existing one, so I enhanced the OpenSceneGraph topic

[Flightgear-devel] Antonov AN-2 ready for download

2006-11-06 Thread Yurik V. Nikiforoff
This is legendary Russian aircraft. First flight was 1947. This is port of MSFS model by Anton Nikolaev aka Xomer. Published under GPL with his permission. Model have 8 livreas, original sound, full animated visual and complicate 2d panel. There is real flight manual, but only in Russian,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] patch for groundcache.cxx problem

2006-11-06 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
Hi Tim, On Monday 06 November 2006 10:59, Tim Moore wrote: I was seeing the problem of falling through the earth in w070n40. With this patch I can run successfully starting with --airport=kpqi. That is applied. That area needs to be overhauled anyway, but until than this problem is fixed!

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Again: VATSIM and FlightGear?

2006-11-06 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
Hi, On Monday 06 November 2006 09:45, Holger Wirtz wrote: How about this for the FlighGear community? If this is acceptable I would suggest that I try to contact VATSIM and will hear what they mean about this. From my point of view: yes. Greetings Mathias

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Sunday 05 November 2006 23:43, Olaf Flebbe wrote: Uncommenting sceneView-update() in render.cxx gives a performance jump from 60FPS to 80FPS. (plib was 100FPS). Traversing the scenegraph seems to be quite timing relevant. Can we limit this special update-traversal only to the aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Monday 06 November 2006 11:23, Frederic Bouvier wrote: I hope the total freedom of using features given by OSG will encourage us to think about more clever ways to do things, that could be beneficial in the end. For instance, using multitexturing instead of cutting tiny triangle in the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Monday 06 November 2006 13:17, Martin Spott wrote: Vivian Meazza wrote: Let's hope that you're correct. Right now we have _fewer_ features, and a _lower_ frame rate. I hope that adding back the features we used to have won't further reduce the frame rate, let alone adding new ones.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSG Performance on WIndows

2006-11-06 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Monday 06 November 2006 23:52, Olaf Flebbe wrote: I think too that we have to support the plib branch quite a while. The idea to do the OSG switch in CVS head was that the OSG developers do not have the efforts for porting features from branch back to HEAD. So please work in the pre-OSG

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: SimGear/simgear/math SGQuat.hxx, 1.11, 1.12

2006-11-06 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Selon Mathias Froehlich : Update of /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/SimGear/simgear/math In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv15898/simgear/math Modified Files: SGQuat.hxx Log Message: Modified Files: simgear/scene/util/SGDebugDrawCallback.hxx simgear/math/SGQuat.hxx: Olaf Flebbe: Make

Re: [Flightgear-devel] AIEntity.hxx:49: error: `ssgBranch' has not been declared

2006-11-06 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Selon Jason Cox : Hi all, i have just done an update via cvs today and have the following problem, make[2]: Entering directory `/DATA/src/Flightgear/Flightgear/src/ATC' if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../src/Include -I../.. -I../../src -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear compile error: glXGetProcAddress((const

2006-11-06 Thread Martin Spott
Hi Durk, Durk Talsma wrote: -g -O2 -D_REENTRANT -MT visual_enviro.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/visual_enviro.Tpo -c -o visual_enviro.o visual_enviro.cxx; \ then mv -f .deps/visual_enviro.Tpo .deps/visual_enviro.Po; else rm -f .deps/visual_enviro.Tpo; exit 1; fi In file included from