Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM support?
NUTS!! was working on a draft and hit send by accident. to finish my comments. waiting on word for a proposal to build a 737NG FTD certified by FAA at Level 5. Should know within the next few weeks, hopefully. That wil wipe me out for the next six months, but can still find some time to get the ball rolling with the VATSIM folks. How about a show of hands? Is there enough interest and volunteers to organize a team to tackle the problem? I can provide a dedicated machine and IP address to host the server and possibly a T1 line. Jack Original Message Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM support?From: Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.comDate: Tue, January 25, 2011 10:26 pmTo: chrison...@yahoo.ca, FlightGear developers discussionsflightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.netHI Chris, Here are a couple quick comment in reply ... My sense is that there are very few people who would outright oppose a vatsim interface to flightgear. I think most people would consider this is a good thing. Here is my question/concern. If some developer gets approved by vatsim and signs the appropriate NDA's and then builds an interface from vatsim to flightgear, then sure, that could be an external "closed source" application that bridges the communication gap between FlightGear and VATSIM. But here's the problem. Now anyone (good or evil) has a wide open, public, unsecured route into the vatsim network. The flightgear API's are open and you can inspect all the code and structures. So anyone could take the vatsim-flightgear interface and leverage it to interject any kind of nonsense into the vatsim network. This is exactly what vatsim is trying to avoid by protecting their communication protocols. As soon as they allow a translator to be written with an open/published/documented protocol at the other end ... this is the very next best thing for someone wanting to do mischief. Please notice: this isn't me being negative about vatsim, or being negative about the idea of a vatsim interface for flightgear. I'd personally love to have it available one way or another. But I'm trying to place myself in the perspective of what the vatsim folks would think. Hopefully I'm way wrong, but if we lay it all out for them open and honestly up front so we aren't trying to sneak something past them, what do you think they would say? FlightGear doesn't have a binary plug in system so it's not possible for someone to write a closed source plugin to implement the vatsim protocol. It would have to be done as an entirely open-source module within FlightGear, or as an entirely separate external application that communicates with flightgear through some network protocol. So all that said, here's one more thing to ponder. FlightGear is a volunteer driven project. Thepeoplethat pitch in and do the work get to decide what they will work on and how they will do it. We can discuss vatsim back and forth all day long, but until a volunteer steps forward who's willing (and able) to build the vatsim interface to flightgear, and who is willing to sign all the vatsim nda's, and who is willing to do whatever discussion and negotiation and strategizing and design work that is required to make the system function satisfactorily from the perspective of both vatsim and flightgear ... until such a person emerges, really all we can do is talk about it theoretically. Best regards, Curt. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Chris O'Neill wrote: [PREFACE: I'm a FG end-user who's not a programmer, nor am I anintellectual property rights attorney. My sole desire is to use FG as a"realistic" flight similator, as opposed to using it as a fun "game."Please consider the remarks below in that context. Thanks!] On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 19:15 -0300, Victhor wrote: VATSIM requires any developer to sign a NDA before having access to their network, so it's not possible to make a open source client. SB747 was made before the NDA requirement, but I suppose sources can't be released due to obvious licensing issues.I'll get to this in a moment, but first... It seems it has been fixed so that it reports you as the aircraft you're currently using, but I'm not sure.Just to be clear, sb747 hasn't been "fixed" to report the properaircraft but, rather, a workaround has been found whereby you file yourflight plan via simroutes.com and then once that's done you file a blankflight plan with sb747. Since your simroutes.com flight plan containsthe aircraft type, that's what is reported on VATSIM,Now, back to the whole licensing/NDA issue...IMHO, and with all due respect to those who might disagree, while the"ideal" would be that an FG--VATSIM "broker" (to use VATSIM's term)would be open source, I do not understand why this has to be mandatory?If VATSIM were saying that FG itself had to become closed-source for itto connect to their network, then I'd be in total agreement. However,that's NOT the case.Correct me if I'm wrong, but what VATSIM seems to be saying is that theydon't want
[Flightgear-devel] [FWD: Re: VATSIM support?]
OK, here's the first part, apologies for the screw-up Original Message Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM support?From: cas...@mminternet.comDate: Tue, January 25, 2011 11:36 pmTo: "FlightGear developers discussions"flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.netHi,Hmmm, I would take it one step further...You write and operate an FG/VATSIM server running on a dedicatedmachine(s) and publish the FG open source interface and protocol. TheVATSIM side and source in the server is closed and operates with anapproved NDA. Anyone may join from the FG side with any approved username and password and connect to the VATSIM world. Users would be governedby the same rules for flight operations as defined by the VATSIMprocedures and regulations. Intentionally violate the rules -- firstoffense; a warning, 2nd offense; banishment -- go play with the kiddies.Just as an aside, last year the MITRE corporation ( where I had thepleasure of a short stint from Northrop ) conducted a study on runwayincursions ( see http://forums.vatsim.net/viewtopic.php?f=78t=51419 )using VATSIM and FSX.ATM I need to keep my calendar free for a possible contract to build a737NG FTD that will be FAA certified aJack -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM support?
Looking over the wiki page and info. Is Sb747 and AVC limited to MS windows based machines? Or is there a Linux version as well? Is source available? Last email on the FG forum from reeed was dated Apr 05, 2010. John Original Message Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM support?From: ThorstenB bre...@gmail.comDate: Sat, January 15, 2011 9:20 amTo: FlightGear developers discussionsflightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:39 PM, jack.w wrote: Is this a feature in the latest git version? There have been discussions over the years on hooking into the IVAO and VATSIM communities. Was not aware that the connection had been made. Giving a talk in March at UC Davis on using FlightGear in my full scale 747 sim and Linux. Would like to include a few words on this feature. Could someone point me to the relevant code or any writeups or discussions on the topicThis is not a feature of FlightGear itself, but a separate utility/setup that makes the connection (via SquawkGear and SquawkBox - the latter provides the actual (and approved) VATSIM interface). I've also tested it - and, yes, indeed it works.To get started:http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/SquawkGear -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] VATSIM support?
Hi, I noiced in a recent post by Gijs de Rooy on the scammers a commnet that FG now had VATSIM support. Interesting and nice.! Is this a feature in the latest git version? There have been discussions over the years on hooking into the IVAO and VATSIM communities. Was not aware that the connection had been made. Giving a talk in March at UC Davis on using FlightGear in my full scale 747 sim and Linux. Would like to include a few words on this feature. Could someone point me to the relevant code or any writeups or discussions on the topic Thanks Jack W. -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM support?
Neat! :-) Thank you for the info andquick reply. Will give it a try Jack Original Message Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM support?From: ThorstenB bre...@gmail.comDate: Sat, January 15, 2011 9:20 amTo: FlightGear developers discussionsflightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:39 PM, jack.w wrote: Is this a feature in the latest git version? There have been discussions over the years on hooking into the IVAO and VATSIM communities. Was not aware that the connection had been made. Giving a talk in March at UC Davis on using FlightGear in my full scale 747 sim and Linux. Would like to include a few words on this feature. Could someone point me to the relevant code or any writeups or discussions on the topicThis is not a feature of FlightGear itself, but a separate utility/setup that makes the connection (via SquawkGear and SquawkBox - the latter provides the actual (and approved) VATSIM interface). I've also tested it - and, yes, indeed it works.To get started:http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/SquawkGearcheers,Thorsten --Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware AttacksLearn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing.http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___Flightgear-devel mailing listFlightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
