Re: [Flightgear-devel] Request for comments: Airway database

2006-02-04 Thread Durk Talsma
On Wednesday 01 February 2006 12:25, Jon Stockill wrote:
 Durk Talsma wrote:
  I agree, but for display purposes just loading a memory image of the
  Robin Peel database would probably suffice. I.e. there wouldn't be a need
  for setting up an intricate network of nodes and connections as I'm
  currently doing for the ground network. Therefore, I'm considering
  loading the airway data straight into flightgear, while preserving the
  networked version for a flightplan utility.

 It *may* be useful to have your version available - being able to load a
 pre-planned route into the GPS for any given destination would certainly
 be a very nice feature. It really depends how much processing would be
 involved to extract a route I suppose. This type of routing info
 certainly has further applications.

Yes, this is the type of purposes that I'm aiming for, but I think the route 
extraction procedure would be better suited in an external program. But, I'll 
see if I can store the data in a binary image and see if it loads any faster.

Cheers,
Durk



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Request for comments: Airway database

2006-02-01 Thread Jon Stockill

Durk Talsma wrote:

I agree, but for display purposes just loading a memory image of the Robin 
Peel database would probably suffice. I.e. there wouldn't be a need for 
setting up an intricate network of nodes and connections as I'm currently 
doing for the ground network. Therefore, I'm considering loading the airway 
data straight into flightgear, while preserving the networked version for a 
flightplan utility.


It *may* be useful to have your version available - being able to load a 
pre-planned route into the GPS for any given destination would certainly 
be a very nice feature. It really depends how much processing would be 
involved to extract a route I suppose. This type of routing info 
certainly has further applications.


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[Flightgear-devel] Request for comments: Airway database

2006-01-29 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Folks,

I just finished some initial experiments in loading the Robin Peel airway 
database for flightgear. The code is based on the ground network code that I 
wrote for AI taxiway following. While I have stuff working right now, one 
major problem is becoming apparent: It takes approximately 6 to 7 minutes to 
load and initialize the entire airway database on my machine (yikes).

The major reason for this is that each route segment in Robin Peel's database 
is defined by the full coordinates of each start and end waypoint. The airway 
and ground networks operate by storing the waypoints and the routes 
separately. Therefore, for each Airway segment, I need to look up whether the 
defining waypoints have already been loaded, which is quite computationally 
intensive.  My ground network code, on the other hand, reads data in which 
the waypoints and the route segments are stored separately to begin with, 
which makes it much faster to load. 

Right now, I can see a number of ways to proceed with this. My major objective 
is to use the airway database to create more realistic AI traffic behavior, 
but for just that purpose, I don't actually need to load the airway database 
into flightgear. I could also choose to pregenerate all the AI flightplans 
offline and let FlightGear read those on demand. 

I'm wondering though if there would be any future need for airway information 
inside FlightGear itself, for example in modeling GPS receivers or flight 
management computers. If so, it would still be worthwhile to convert the data 
into a native format that could much more rapidly be loaded into flightgear.

Cheers,
Durk


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