At 05:35 AM 01/01/03 -0800, -IID42 Kandinskij @27+ wrote:
Boredom is a self-inflicted knee-jerk.
Yup.
And you're the jerk.
John Blower
10 Wycherley Close
Blackheath
London SE3 7QH
Tel: 07986 401490
http://www.feniks.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, all
If I were throwing a Fluxus party - I'd
inviteFluxus artists, historians, critics and poets, anyone
who wanted to learn more about that movement, who
wanted serious discussion,
who were searching for the truth, who wanted to
play with Fluxus ideas, understand them, extend them,
i'm in.
--- Owen Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I second and third Josh's and Melissa's ideas about
a second box for/of the fluxlist. I am also happy to
help out in any way needed along with contributing.
It seems to me that there are two aspects that would
be nice to work into this
Dear Josh, Melissa and Owen,
the second box it's a great idea: i'm with you.
I'd like to include some scores (as Owen said).
So, let's work!
Walter Cianciusi
I'm in, but I joined the list after the first FluxList box so I'm sketchy on
the details (if any).
I adore the FluxList for Dummies idea, in any format.
M
--
From: Josh Ronsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: FLUXLIST BOX #2?
Date: Wed, Jan 1, 2003, 9:44 PM
Same here; count me in, if someone can organize it.
thanks,
Joihn
At 03:27 AM 1/2/2003 +, you wrote:
I second the thought of a Second Fluxlist
Box the first one was great, and I'm getting into doing multiples. So
I'd participate, but can't offer to do more.
Anyone else?
Melissa
Owen,
What it did have was a copy of series of letters between Maciunas and Lindbergh and
this is what I would really like to see/ have.
I forgot to ask you - who was Lindbergh?
-Mindaugas
Same for me.
I'm new here, so it would be great to get some details about FluxList box #1.
-Mindaugas
I'm in, but I joined the list after the first FluxList box so I'm sketchy on
the details (if any).
As it happens i enjoyed 2 shots of mezcal last night - thank you,
artsnants
an early book of mine was titled Ant Path
Onvoid,
John
At 12:47 AM 12/31/2002 -0500, you wrote:
o
John how I love you
credenza ottoman credenza
Dickinson pond frozen
I I cry to you
I cry for Marian so deeply
so
I
Cool project, Bibiana - frightening that it almost came to its completion, tho.
Whew, o ay chihuahua...
John
I will send something
At 07:10 PM 12/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
it's funny -and scary- how people can die by the most stupid accidents:
last couple of days we had dinner a few
josh, what a great idea!
i was looking at our fluxbox the other day and thinking how interesting it would be to
do another one.
Definitely, count me in. just what the doctor ordered; positive energy.
i scrolled through some of the posts from the fluxbox ( i have them in a file) and it
seemed
same situation for me(i'm in still!)
***
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Mexicali, B.C., 21240
MEXICO
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U.S.A.
Original Message Follows
From: meryl [EMAIL
I'd be interested in this too.
--
My (as yet unlaunched) seed exchange has been expanded to
include an (unused/forgotten) key exchange. Just something
else to keep in mind. ;))
/:b
Hi Josh, Just got your email about what it was we were going to exchange.
I'll send something. I'm also in on the second box idea. Perhaps we should
wait awhile until Allen cleans house. Ha! -Don
_
The new MSN 8: smart spam
To the organizers of Flux Box 2: MIEKAL aND wants to participate, too. So
keep him in the loop.
[And let's see if we can get him back on the list...I think he is also one
of the true children/grandchildren of Fluxus and a truly interesting force
in that sector of the universe]
Date: Thu, 2
perfect way to start the new year, yes. please include me and i'd have to ditto everything meryl says here: I'm in, but I joined the list after the first FluxList box so I'm sketchy onthe details (if any).I adore the FluxList for Dummies idea, in any format. NBB (nancy burr)
Meryl (and any one else), here's the nifty site that Owen Smith created for
Fluxlist Box #1. In my opinion/sensibilities this is one of the coolest
things that WE have ever done via Fluxlist...and something in tune with the
original Fluxus. Sol Nte and Owen Smith led the Fluxlist Box #1
Brad,
1. I am not sure that this list is going to continue as an OPEN list (I am
going to temporarily close it to new subscriptions--to prevent people like
Eric Anderson from re-joining), and 2. if it continues as an OPEN list it
is going to be under more active management and intervention
On 1/2/03 1:39 AM, Owen Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I second and third Josh's and Melissa's ideas about a second box for/of the
fluxlist. I am also happy to help out in any way needed along with
contributing. It seems to me that there are two aspects that would be nice to
work into this
On 1/2/03 8:30 AM, Bertrand Clavez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bertrand and all-- Allen had always resisted moderating the list, even when
the nastiness of these particular people threw away some of the most
interestng and productive people on the list. Now, perhaps your notion of
fluxus is
On 1/2/03 9:57 AM, allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most certainly yes! I keep hoping to get to one of the events there--it's
just over in Wisc. But a sort of distant part of Wisc. . . .
AK
To the organizers of Flux Box 2: MIEKAL aND wants to participate, too. So
keep him in the loop.
On 1/2/03 10:06 AM, Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what has been going on while this buckoff had shut me down?
Eric, you've never cared about anything on this list but yourself, your own
contribution in the semi=historic past, and your hatreds. So why should
you care about anything
On 1/2/03 10:08 AM, { brad brace } [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brad, it's bad to habitually insult people on an open list. Speech is a type
of behavior; it should be taken seriously. If it is not--it it is pure
selfindulgence-- then one should not be forced to listen to it.
AK
Yes. As I have also
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes. As I have also stated backchannel: it is wrong to
exclude people from an open list.
/:b
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Bertrand Clavez wrote:
Dear Allen,
I can't believe you've thrown away these fluxlisters!
and if this is the case, I can't agree with such a choice.
all this time I thot Dreamtime Village was in the center of the
universe.
(Just for the record, I hadnt been kicked off, but had posted
mistakenly from an unsubbed address.)
as for the box, what is used for a box what are the dimensions?
mIEKAL
On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:00 AM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The results of the first box can be found here:
http://www.fluxus.org/FLUXLIST/box1/boxfram.html
I think each person made 50 editions of a work and contributed $5 to cover postage
and materials (the box). Everyone got 1 box with one of each submission. I do not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
as for the box, what is used for a box what are the dimensions?
mIEKAL - This is a good place to start since it sets the nature and dimensions of the
contributions (nothing that is 10 foot long). since I make a lot of multiples my self
I have a lot of good sources
A concurrent preoccupation was a strong influence of Duchampian dadaism. His 000, a
satire of John Cage, has been described as the briefest composition ever written, and
Cage is said to have been deeply offended; The Future of Music (1961) is scored for a
mute speaker in front of an audience.
Spread shirT
Spread st reaming sugar
keep bread
face dangled, long and
dribble couch, heat wind
as lag, field
boot trouble save, wash
tangle in the wake
seam n gush
trail folded past call
free itch batch (mud)
dancing in
the cage burnt shirT
John M. Bennett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Owen, these are excuses. Can you name one worthwhile thing you have
learned from Eric Anderson's posts to FLUXLIST? Can you produce one even
minimally constructive post? His entire output on this list has been to 1.
maintain his assertion that no one in real Fluxus
Speech is a type of behavior; it should be taken seriously. If it is
not--it it is pure selfindulgence-- then one should not be forced to
listen to it.
Thanks Ann.
Very very true. And overly repetitive insulting behavior recently
became unbearable and distracting.
Also feel I'll get more out of a
i want to be a part of this!
box1 definitely a unique collection.
i could eventually help with the website too, if needed.
Though I feel a tinge of guilt in the sudden
exclusivity of this list. (Closed to new members)
closed to new members is going to be a temporary state
Eric IPUT also?
i don't think that this is good
2003 AD
On Wed, 01 Jan 2003 19:15:13 -0500, allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe 2003 is a time to renew Fluxlist.
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:04:12 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Owen,
i'm curious if my e-mail gets to you as i send it, because I keep getting error e-mail
message that your *.edu server can't receive my mail. Or they come to you with the
delay?
Did you get my last reply?
Bests,
Mindaugas
Hurrah for us all! Anne, Owen, Allen, and all to sanity again. May we all
have a more peaceful 2003!
jah
Judith A. Hoffberg
Umbrella
P.O. Box 3640
Santa Monica, CA 90408
http://colophon.com/ediblebooks
http://colophon.com/journal
tel: (310)399-1146, fax: 399-5070
Let a smile be your umbrella!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Owen,
i'm curious if my e-mail gets to you as i send it, because I keep getting error
e-mail message that your *.edu server can't receive my mail. Or they come to you with
the delay?
Did you get my last reply?
Mindaugas -
Some seem to be coming through, but I think
Lots of fluxivity lately! I like the 2nd box idea the last one was fun.
cecil
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H,
IPUT always knew that
allen bukoff's left brain doesn't know
what his right brain does.
That's why we said after the arbitrary expulsion
of G.threeyersago.com:
use the net for electric vote!
Democracy will teach
bukoff's left and right brain
to obey the law.
Please, Fluxlisters,
bring back
to Carol-I am going to try to limit my responses to one or two a day- so sorry I have been so annoying to Carol and others-but you could just say it was annoying instead of being insulting -also there is a delete button
to John B- thank you for the book-you are so kind
to Walter c- thank you so
On 1/2/03 12:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Eric IPUT also?
i don't think that this is good
2003 AD
If Eric and IPUT had ever contributed anything that wasn't a snotty putdown,
colored by arch pissy self-interest and self-promotion, I would say you were
right. But if you
CDR sounds great, thanks for the duplication offer, but if we go this
way all participants should cover the materials costs - in fact this
brings up an interesting point - do we want to make some extra copies
to sell to non-participants (directly or
through Printed Matter or Art Metropole,
So my box broke at the hinges has anybody else had that problem yet?
happy new year BTW!
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On 1/2/03 1:29 PM, St.Auby Tamas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please, Fluxlisters,
bring back to the list
Kandinskij, our shiny-shiny cock!
Let's vote!
Thank you!
H,
a101a
Shiny-Shiny Cock?! peepee aggression rules the day? My 13yrold has
infinitely greater quantities of sense,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
actually what I was thinking of was having a cdr inside of the fluxbox
Im offering to donate the blanks do all the dubbing provided were
still talking 50-100 copy range.
OK, that's what I thought as well - the first box had a CD, but it was by one of the
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: open email to everyone hoping Im not five
On 1/2/03 1:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am only in my thirtyninth year as an artist but I feel censorship is anti art! Fluxus by its very nature is pretty elitist- we are all probably white mid to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So my box broke at the hinges has anybody else had that problem yet?
happy new year BTW!
CECIL
Yes, one of the unfortunate sides of using the form of plastic boxes (cheep, with
flexi hinges) that we did. . . .
Owen
Owen writes:
I am willing to organize again, although I am also more
than willing to pass the mantel on if someone else wants
to take on the role of organizer for the project, Josh?
From my point of view, the first Box went so well that I think you SHOULD do it.
However, I am willing to do
what about some wooden boxes custom made down here in mexico?
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Cecil
Hi all,
I'm currently on holiday so only going to say a little.
1. I fully support Allen Bukoff's recent actions.
2. Those expelled should leave with good grace. This list runs on majordomo
and the software allows much stricter expulsions than have been currently
implemented. If Eric and others
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
what about some wooden boxes custom made down here in mexico?
cecil
Sounds like a very interesting idea Cecil - what are the options and costs of such a
venture?? - Maybe it does not even have to be custom, might there be some wooden boxes
made for some other use that
what about we all find a pile of boxes which exceed certain minimum
dimensions? no 2 alike.
On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 04:28 PM, cecil touchon wrote:
what about some wooden boxes custom made down here in mexico?
cecil
That could be a cool idea... how about we each come up with a box, put our
contribution if 50 or whatever number works into it, ship it and then the
central clearing house shuffles up the boxes so that no one gets the one
they sent? I hope that makes sense.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That could be a cool idea... how about we each come up with a box, put our
contribution if 50 or whatever number works into it, ship it and then the
central clearing house shuffles up the boxes so that no one gets the one
they sent? I hope that makes sense.
cecil
This
good point. or the label could actually be like a card stock weight pamphlet
index of the contents sort of like for a music CD or something like that.
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Fluxlist in tomatillo crates, i like it. . . . yes that's a cool idea too:
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then there's always ziploc freezer bags.
you can get 50 for about $5, Holds a gallon of art with no spills and you
can affix a sticker lable to the outside.
in fact it seems rather fluxus to make our second box a plastic bag.
Alex
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:52:57 -0600
From: Josh Ronsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: more Ligeti stories
A concurrent preoccupation was a strong influence of Duchampian dadaism. His 000, a
satire of John Cage, has been described as the briefest
That could be a cool idea... how about we each come up with a box, put our
contribution if 50 or whatever number works into it, ship it and then the
central clearing house shuffles up the boxes so that no one gets the one
they sent?
Excellent idea.
I like that.
Oh, and count me in on the
...and your
mother used to hide your shoes to see you cry.
Very good. That made me laugh.
:-)
What is Ligeti's 0'00 ?
I assume it is a joke of Ligeti on Cage's 4'33 and not related to Cage's 0'00 from
1962 (subtitled 4'33 No. 2).
For all his pride in the piece, Cage maintained that his sole intervention was to
alert listeners to ambient noise. His was a clear and humble statement of
Well, what would happen if you performed the two pieces one after the other
without a break?
4'33 followed by 0'00
Would you still end up with 4'33?
- or if you followed 4'33 with Ligeti's 0'00 rather than Cage's.
How would you be able to tell the difference?
Suppose you composed a piece
Dear Allen,
maintain his assertion that no one in real Fluxus considers Ken Friedman
to be legitimate,
Well, if I remember rightly, Ken accused him to be a compulsive liar (not
exactly in these terms, of course, but that's what it meant) reminding the
joke Erik did to Maciunas in the
Dear Ann,
Bertrand and all-- Allen had always resisted moderating the list,
And I admired him for that, specially when he resisted doing that during
Ken/Eric flame, because at that time, if I had been at his place, I would
have moderate it.
even when
the nastiness of these particular people
I hope people who do not agree with these changes will simply leave the
list. Go find or start another one. Email discussion groups are not a
limited resource.
Allen,
What happen if they don't? will you invite them to leave, as you've just
done with Eric and Tamas?
What I mean is that I'm
rudeness, than you or the really superlame Kandinskij. You smell of old
belgian undershorts, and your mother used to hide your shoes to see you
cry.
C'mon Ann!! Behave yourself, you're on a semi-slightly half modestly
moderated list now! ;-)
Bertrand
Fluxlist is a foolish enterprise, has nothing
to do with Fluxus, and that those of us who participate are fools.
That's right this is not fluxus - it is fluxnexus. Fluxus is a dead thing
that ran its course. We are all fluxnexus artists.(when we want to be.) some
are dadafluxnexusists, some are
Roger,
Thank you
you're the greatest
Bertrand
- Original Message -
From: Roger STEVENS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: 0'00
Well, what would happen if you performed the two pieces one after the
other
without a
i'd like to contribute some material for this new box
a timeframe for the project will tell me what i can do!
2003 AD
Tags and other goodies went in today's mail to Josh Ronsen and John Bennett -- watch your mail! and I will check mine tomorrow
Slugs and kitsches,
Melissa
Melissa McCarthy
Hours: whimsical or by appointment
Adult, maybe; grown-up, never!
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, allen bukoff wrote:
I hope people who do not agree with these changes will simply leave the
list. Go find or start another one.
Is this what democracy looks like?
Unfortunate. Especially for an arts list; and perhaps
especially for a fluxist list... The inspiring thing
my hinges are also 'at fault' however it seems
somewhat fitting to have a handicapped flux box
--- cecil touchon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So my box broke at the hinges has anybody else had
that problem yet?
happy new year BTW!
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haven't the barrage of comments from everyone in support of throwing various
individuals out been self-governing and democratic enough for you?
cheers.
---
From: { brad brace } [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:47:21 -0800 (PST)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unfortunate. Especially for an arts list; and perhaps
especially for a fluxist list... The inspiring thing about
lists (and most are truly open), is that they are visibly
self-governing.
The Great Harmony does not always appear harmonious.
from
The Hidden Sphere http://hiddensphere.com/
Really interested in Fluxbox II. Please count me in. Jesse
On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 10:51 PM, aliceklar wrote:
my hinges are also 'at fault' however it seems
somewhat fitting to have a handicapped flux box
Just as I discovered what it was, I LOST Don Boyd's fluxus smile.
...and have yet to complete Owen Smith's Event for Geography.
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0155.html#cameldriver
168.
Concerning a snake's venom and that of an evil man
An evil man is more venomous than the snake,
For the snake's venom may be neutralized by drugs,
But what can counteract the venom of an evil man?
201.
Holy men are bitten by the snake of words
Which comes from the pit of vicious men.
In
On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:43:56 -0600, Ann Klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please tell me one thing that either entity
you mention has posted to this list that was worth reading.
this isn't the point at all!
i prefer to do my own quality control...
to humor you though:
IPUT have forwarded
On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 12:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IPUT have forwarded several interesting links to the list
Did you not notice an offensive and slanderous ad hominen attack?
Suspension is another technique used by moderated and semi-moderated
lists. It's quite effective.
I have now reconfigured Fluxlist and Fluxlist-Digest so that any new
subscription request will now bounce to the list-administrator (currently
being handled by either Sol Nte or myself). I propose that each new
requester receive something like the following email. As long as they
respond that
Roger STEVENS writes:
- - or if you followed 4'33 with Ligeti's 0'00 rather than Cage's.
How would you be able to tell the difference?
I have not found out what the score/instructions for Ligeti's piece are. The stage
setup could be quite elaborate, although brief.
On Cage's 0'00: The title
Suspensions are often in episodes, like drinking wine in the bathroom,
smoking cigarettes at the reservoir, cheating, lying about a friend,
drugs or other, etc. Less often it's centered around a particular
lunatic.
should be: Group incidents are often centered around a particular
lunatic
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