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Unless it doesn't.
On May 19, 2006, at 5:54 PM, A Chair wrote:
May 19th, 5:54 pm: It is still raining and it will continue to rain
until it stops raining.
An examination of a lot of recent rain in the greater metropolitan area
showed that it was clearly marked Made in China.
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Unless it
It's a global economy ... now the Chinese are making our rain! Why I
can remember when the USA was capable of making its own rain, and we
would proudly be flooded and drowned in it.
On May 23, 2006, at 2:55 PM, David-Baptiste Chirot wrote:
An examination of a lot of recent rain in the
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Rod,
the list doesn't actually frown on HTML as such, it's just that often it can
show up as a confusing mess on some systems and, more importantly - the use of
HTML allows for and seems to encouraged the embedding of images and the like
into e-mail messages.
When such e-mails are
On 2006 May 21, at 10:59 AM, Allan Revich wrote: So the issue is, what becomes of the "0% mesostic"? It is not an acrostic. It is not 50% mesostic, nor is it a 100% mesostic. I remain wont to call it a mesostic as that term seems well-suited to describe an acrostic poem with the phrase down the
Fab Fibonacci Sequence with Mesostic Colons
0 : 0
1 : 1
2 : 1
3 : 2
4 : 3
5 : 5
6 : 8
7 : 13
8 : 21
9 : 34
10: 55
Fab Fib w/Mesostic Rectum
heRos
plEasure
seConal pills
veTeran soldiers felled
reUniting with the fallen graves
laMbs slaughtered in a single sentence of doubt
Allan : Revich
nothing says "I love
you" like angel's breath
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On 2006 May 21, at 1:55 PM, Allan Revich wrote: The more I learn, the less I seem to know! Rod, what do you think?Hahahahaha! Well, yes, I think I may have answered this in my last post.Allan, I think that if you can come up with a unique way of constructing your poemsusing acrostics, then you
Thanks Rod for such athoughtful answer.
I confess to
remaining unconvinced that only Cage's mesostic forms can rightfully be called
"mesostic", but I am certainly much better informed than I was a week
ago!
It is interesting
to contemplate how the term will be used some decades from now.
That would be a rhopalic verse (only one 'l')
Of text in which each word contains one more
letter or syllable than the one preceding it.
This word derives from the Greek rhopalos, for a club or
cudgel which, like most of its kind, is thicker towards one end than
the other. Though the English
Sorry, I meant to say an anti-rhopalic verse...
On 2006 May 22, at 10:29 AM, Rod Stasick wrote:
...would be a steady reduction of her first line idea to an
exhausted state - a kind of rhopallic verse or syllabic snowball,
then it would fit the name more closely.
Rod
On 2006 May 22, at 10:47 AM, Allan Revich wrote: Thanks Rod for such a thoughtful answer. I confess to remaining unconvinced that only Cage's mesostic forms can rightfully be called "mesostic", but I am certainly much better informed than I was a week ago! It is interesting to contemplate
On 2006 May 22, at 10:48 AM, Cecil Touchon wrote:
That would be a rhopalic verse (only one 'l')
Thanks Cecil. I caught that when it showed up later.
I really meant anti-rhopalic (and anti-snowball as well, I suppose).
Rod
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Spent the faucet phone I
did keep the cocktail umbrellas
in constant motion glancing at the
x beneath your thumb
dressed sailor suited fluff
that was definitely not
a campfire girl or anything with
a bowel doing somersaults
kind of smoking like an
eggplant dreaming a watered phone
on
Check out all the new Al Ackerman stuff during the past couple of weeks
on Textimage poem, along with tons of other great stuff, texts, vispo,
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On 2006 May 22, at 6:50 AM, Alan Bowman wrote:
Rod,
the list doesn't actually frown on HTML as such, it's just that
often it can show up as a confusing mess on some systems and, more
importantly - the use of HTML allows for and seems to encouraged
the embedding of images and the like
I think you'll find it's a leetol beet!
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bureau facts of life
altar Fireplace
Madawg staRes
SpidErman
rEaches out
the bellowS are there
fIre
Air
its a little hard doing it that way and I didnt do a
very good job.I just like to write poetry and I don't
like to think about the form too much. I often say
On 2006 May 22, at 4:29 PM, Madawg Painterofdark wrote:
altar Fireplace
Madawg staRes
SpidErman
rEaches out
the bellowS are there
fIre
Air
its a little hard doing it that way and I didnt do a
very good job.I just like to write poetry and
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Karen wrote:
i don't have time for nothing.
Nothing min:
I have nothing for time.
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Hours: whimsical or by appointment
Adult, maybe; grown-up, never!
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(Adding the extra syllababble makes me feel more capababble of finding some
babbalance in all of this. I am *so* hai-cool! I want to try an exhaustic,
but my mesostic-kles, and I may be calming down with something, maybe a
http://www.ubu.com/film/burroughs.html
On 2006 May 20, at 9:36 PM, Cecil Touchon wrote: around the city a brutiSh cop past antiquEs up-and-comeR generally fIts having my camera cOnfiscated I arrived inside which lay the groUndwork for the next wave not So far
I'd like to try to
fill a 'gap' in the labelling schema.
From what I have
been able to glean hither thither and yonder in netland Cage worked with three
variations of the acrostic form during his life.
I'll begin with the
two forms for which Cage and writers/artists/poets following his
nothing never
happens
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Oh! Ok, I get it! I was thinking in terms of 'in between' lines not
letters. I get it. I'll try another...
slapstick attraction
Searching
for
your
perfectLy
opposing
hysteriA,
become
more Pronounced with time
Sparking
a good discussion,
from Theme park
premIere
of the
On 2006 May 21, at 12:11 PM, Cecil Touchon wrote: Oh! Ok, I get it! I was thinking in terms of 'in between' lines not letters. I get it. I'll try another... slapstick attraction Searching for your perfectLy opposing
Revisiting my
revisitation:
From Perloff's article it seems
that Cage may not have used the "0% mesostic" or meso-acrostic himself. But the
same article (same paragraph) does suggest that the term may still apply to
meso-acrostic poems that do not conform to Cage's mesostic rules, since it
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walpinas. morphological thinkings succs clubfoot pact prosperous
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girder avenue
oops! the i in martial and the n in considered! good eye.
Searching
for
your
perfectLy
opposing
hysteriA,
become
more Pronounced with time
Sparking
a good discussion,
from Theme park
premIere
of the
sulfurous
sCent of blasphemy
memorabilia fill the parK
of
physicAl
One other thing... it strikes me that cage uses this restriction on the
letters to help give clarity to the poem as a whole and to highlight the
featured letter since there are no other occurances of it close by. Also
the rule of no other capital letters seems to be for the same clarity
and
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hey
this
is
not
as much
fun
as you think it
is
but here i am
writing a fab anyway
it is about as much
fun as it is to write a mesostic
after
theseventh line ofa fab it begins to get a little bit ridiculous if
you know what i mean
fun
could
anything
be but surely
a fab of this caliber
won't bemore thansome rows
of words fastly put together that fits loosely together
and the last line just consisting
ofarid riddi riddu riddo hooplaridiculous
sentence
/Björn
P.S. I wish to write some mesostic too soon. Thank
you Rod
Hi Rod,
Thanks for the lesson! I think I got it. So the restriction only carries
to the following line and then you start over fresh right? Not to the
rest of the poem right? and when you say not *followed* by as in next
(in order) you find a word that has an E, but not followed by a P:
does
Thanks Allan!
I really enjoyed making that work and the way of gathering the lines of
text - one line from each document of the search results for the spinal
phrase give a bit more structure than my regular way of constructing
poems which are more haphazard. If I add the other restriction of
Sure, no prob. These thing are sometimes easier to present in person.
Remember these are the two kinds:
• 50 percent mesostics: between any two mesoletters, you can't have
the second
and
• 100 percent mesostics: between any two mesoletters, you can't have
either.
Let's use The
Thanks so much for going into this in patient detail.
I needed that.
j.
--- Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure, no prob. These thing are sometimes easier to
present in person.
Remember these are the two kinds:
50 percent mesostics: between any two mesoletters,
you can't have
On 2006 May 20, at 2:22 AM, Cecil Touchon wrote:
You say it 'implies the context of the original without
including all of the words.
So are you saying that you would leave out anywords from a found
phrase that has the offending letter and otherwise keep the other
words?
No, you
On 2006 May 20, at 3:12 AM, Cecil Touchon wrote:
I also like including a few words of my own [in the brackets]
that, for me, gives a little extra touch of direction like adding
shading to a form to force it to go behind or in front of something
else or inclide it to flow in this or that
It is wonDerful
I must acCept your Haiku
Let's botH move on now
;-)
Allan
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On 2006 May 19, at
Headlines: May 20,
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That's a performance piece that I wish I had seen!
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Man
On 2006 May 20, at 11:04 AM, Allan Revich wrote:
It is wonDerful
I must acCept your Haiku
Let's botH move on now
;-)
Yes, of course!
What does IDICHLH refer to?
Rod
just having some fun
it's a random acrostic
a randomostic?
A!!an
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On 2006 May 20, at 11:04
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I like this.
But I am too thick to figure out who or what JOANE FELDHURY is.
A Feldhure, or army prostitute, working in Feldbordell No. 232 Ost
somewhere near the eastern front during World War II, Skinny is known to the
German soldiers who frequent the camp brothel as Lovely Green Eyes.
n his early mesostics, Cage would simply write a word (usually a name)
vertically down the page, with all the letters capitalized. Then, he would
fill in the blanks and come up with a poem using the
spine he had chosen. For Example (by the author):
the b
Eautiful
I used to sing a little ditty that went “nothing,
nothing…nothing, nothing. Nothing, nothing, all day long. Nothing,
nothing…nothing, nothing. that’s our little nothing song.
Second verse, same as the first. Nothing better. Nothing worse.
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On 2006 May 19, at 8:43 AM, Allan Revich wrote:n his early mesostics, Cage would simply write a word (usually a name) vertically down the page, with all the letters capitalized. Then, he would "fill in the blanks" and come up with a poem using the "spine" he had chosen. For Example (by the
I remember going thru this before but I forget what the rules for
mesostics (as set forth by Cage) are...?
On May 19, 2006, at 9:25 AM, Rod Stasick wrote:
I don't know where this example came from,
but it is NOT a mesostic. Neither is Dawgs
unfortunately. Neither one follow the rule of
On 2006 May 19, at 11:06 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
I remember going thru this before but I forget what the rules for
mesostics (as set forth by Cage) are...?
The two basic types of mesostics are:
• 50 percent mesostics: between any two mesoletters, you can't have
the second
and
• 100
you are exactly right on
--- Allan Revich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like this.
But I am too thick to figure out who or what JOANE
FELDHURY is.
A Feldhure, or army prostitute, working in
Feldbordell No. 232 Ost
somewhere near the eastern front during World War
II, Skinny is
Cage actually used full phrases rather than just
words- I'll call mine exhaustics-Dawg
--- Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2006 May 19, at 8:43 AM, Allan Revich wrote:
n his early mesostics, Cage would simply write a
word (usually a
name) vertically down the page, with all
1) Got it here:
http://www.euph0r1a.net/mesostomatic/what.html
2) Dont get so hung up on minutiae Rod. This is the Fluxus Fluxlist
after all, lighten up. If you feel the need to get hyper-technical than you
also need to accept that the word mesostic is a neologism in (inconsistent)
Im a lucky guy; Ive got nothing going for me.
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http://www.stephendrury.com/Writings/texts/Mode100/mesostic.htm
MESOSTIC a
technique used by Cage for writing texts. A new text is developed around
the letters of a key text (a person's name, the subject of the
text, or an opening phrase, such as, in the original vocal version of Eight
On 2006 May 19, at 11:34 AM, Madawg Painterofdark wrote:
Cage actually used full phrases rather than just
words- I'll call mine exhaustics-Dawg
Sometimes, yes, sometimes no.
Mesostics can and have been done
with single words only and with wing words - it's just that they
should actually *be*
"I have found a variety of ways of writing mesostic[s.]" -- CageYes, and I have at least 9 ways myself,and after one uses these methods to extract the text,it is then arranged in a mesostic form - 2 kinds only - (which was given a specific definition by it's creator)."...if you are new to Cage's
Also, there's this line at the link that you sent:"...They must, however, obey the non-repeating letter rule..."R~~---Now playing: Hermann Nitsch - Harmoniumwerk Vol. 11
hey rod, does this work? I took a found phrase from some spam mail
(repressive
guidance) then I used it as a search term in google then I took
one phrase from each resultant web page in the order that they were
returned as results finding a phrase that I liked and that contained
the spinal
[pell-mell kind]
indelible gynecological envious verbatim heckler
unquote factionalism pussycat unbeatable boob institution prey
half dollar plodder innocent spoken interdenominational
exorcize unjustly Father's Day spindle Na democratically
brainteaser strut free verse cosmonaut groan
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vulgato enalom al,chew hat thaht optional thtat nanc, chi
terrorist of objectionable bat wang. fog nighttime extrinsically
as rye, thy poeti rut sion l bare bred lemb overspend ota bean
stet calder dod grot our tongre
Rod,
The point that I am trying to make is not that I am right or that you
(or anybody else) is wrong. The point is that the beauty in Fluxus is that it
thrives on diversity and difference rather than on dogma and rigidity. I think
that Cage was a genius and that his methods, means, and
Cecil,
That is very cool!
It will stay that way in my head whether
it works or not ;-)
Allan
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On Behalf Of Cecil Touchon
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:24 PM
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
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BTW
None of the definitions are mine
in any shape way or form. I have never written a mesostic and I feel no urgent
need to do so.
I really liked the mesostic poem presented
by Madawg.
I hope she writes more of them soon and is
still willing to share them with the rest of us.
Hi Cecil,
The first word Reparation can't be used because it already contains
your next letter E (rEparation). You can't have any words that
already have the following meso letter.
I don't know what your original text was, so I can't do what you
wanted to do, BUT I can create a mesostic
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