Re: [fonc] Block-Strings / Heredocs (Re: Magic Ink and Killing Math)

2012-03-13 Thread BGB
On 3/12/2012 9:01 PM, David Barbour wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net mailto:jul...@leviston.net wrote: On 13/03/2012, at 1:21 PM, BGB wrote: although theoretically possible, I wouldn't really trust not having the ability to use

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-03-13 Thread Martin Baldan
this is possible, but it assumes, essentially, that one doesn't run into such a limit. if one gets to a point where every fundamental concept is only ever expressed once, and everything is built from preceding fundamental concepts, then this is a limit, short of dropping fundamental

Re: [fonc] Block-Strings / Heredocs (Re: Magic Ink and Killing Math)

2012-03-13 Thread David Barbour
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Josh Grams j...@qualdan.com wrote: On 2012-03-13 02:13PM, Julian Leviston wrote: What is text? Do you store your text in ASCII, EBCDIC, SHIFT-JIS or UTF-8? If it's UTF-8, how do you use an ASCII editor to edit the UTF-8 files? Just saying' ;-) Hopefully

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-03-13 Thread David Barbour
This has been an interesting conversation. I don't like how it's hidden under the innocent looking subject `Error trying to compile COLA` On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Martin Baldan martino...@gmail.com wrote: this is possible, but it assumes, essentially, that one doesn't run into

[fonc] The subject line can be changed

2012-03-13 Thread Loup Vaillant
So let's change it the next time the actual subject changes. Loup. David Barbour wrote: This has been an interesting conversation. I don't like how it's hidden under the innocent looking subject `Error trying to compile COLA` ___ fonc mailing list

Re: [fonc] Block-Strings / Heredocs (Re: Magic Ink and Killing Math)

2012-03-13 Thread Mack
I couldn't agree more. text and files are just encoding and packaging. We routinely represent the same information in different ways during different stages of a program or system's lifecycle in order to obtain advantages relevant to the processing problems at hand. In the past, it has been

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-03-13 Thread Alan Kay
But we haven't wanted to program in Smalltalk for a long time. This is a crazy non-solution (and is so on the iPad already) No one should have to work around someone else's bad designs and implementations ... Cheers, Alan From: Mack

[fonc] De Tocqueville, was Re: Error trying to compile COLA

2012-03-13 Thread Mack
The entire effort to lift software development to a level beyond today's institutionalized approaches reminds me of a quote from Alexis de Tocqueville… … Such is not the course adopted by tyranny in democratic republics; there the body is left free, and the soul is enslaved. The master no

Re: [fonc] Block-Strings / Heredocs (Re: Magic Ink and Killing Math)

2012-03-13 Thread Julian Leviston
On 14/03/2012, at 2:11 AM, David Barbour wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Josh Grams j...@qualdan.com wrote: On 2012-03-13 02:13PM, Julian Leviston wrote: What is text? Do you store your text in ASCII, EBCDIC, SHIFT-JIS or UTF-8? If it's UTF-8, how do you use an ASCII editor to

[fonc] Where is the Moshi image?

2012-03-13 Thread Martin Baldan
I've been reading a few more documents, and it seems that the first step towards having something like Frank at home would be to get hold of a Moshi Squeak image. For instance, in Implementing DBJr with Worlds we can read: Try It Yourself! The following steps will recreate our demo. (Important:

[fonc] Project Nell

2012-03-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Chris Ball, Michael Stone, and I have just written a short paper on Project Nell, which should be of interest to this list: http://cscott.net/Publications/OLPC/idc2012.pdf The paper mentions TurtleScript (http://cscott.net/Projects/TurtleScript/) which I've discussed on this list before.

Re: [fonc] Block-Strings / Heredocs (Re: Magic Ink and Killing Math)

2012-03-13 Thread BGB
On 3/13/2012 4:37 PM, Julian Leviston wrote: On 14/03/2012, at 2:11 AM, David Barbour wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Josh Grams j...@qualdan.com mailto:j...@qualdan.com wrote: On 2012-03-13 02:13PM, Julian Leviston wrote: What is text? Do you store your text in ASCII,

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-03-13 Thread Max Orhai
But, that's exactly the cause for concern! Aside from the fact of Smalltalk's obsolescence (which isn't really the point), the Squeak plugin could never be approved by a 'responsible' sysadmin, *because it can run arbitrary user code*! Squeak's not in the app store for exactly that reason. You'll

Re: [fonc] Where is the Moshi image?

2012-03-13 Thread Tom Koenig
"An LBox is a 'membrane' containing independent aspects that work together to be the box's look and behavior. Aspects communicate by publishing and subscribing to announcements of events" See http://www.vpri.org/pdf/m2011002_lesserphic.pdf Mar 13, 2012 09:01:14 PM, fonc@vpri.org wrote: Just out