Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA
Is that the case? I'm a bit confused. I've read the fascinating reports about Frank, and I was wondering what's the closest thing one can download and run right now. Could you guys please clear it up for me? i +1 this, with the addition that writing up anything remotely official answer would be much better at the FONC wiki, where i looked recently to try to find it out. the mailing list is a long string of events obsoleting each other, while a wiki is a (could be) much better representation of the current state of affairs. http://vpri.org/fonc_wiki/index.php/Main_Page -- attila Notice the erosion of your (digital) freedom, and do something about it! PGP: 2FA1 A9DC 9C1E BA25 A59C 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 OTR XMPP: 8647EEAC EA30FEEF E1B55146 573E52EE 21B1FF06 ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
Re: [fonc] Hacking Maru
the various tests, etc.? Maybe separating things in subdirectories could help. Or not. Many Makefile targets are obsolete. A working +1 for the subdirectories. what was especially confusing to me when i looked at it is that it took a lot of time to decypher which files are automatically generated, which are generated + hand edited, and which are genuine sources. i'd suggest at least 3 dirs (or a naming convention) for these categories, and if generated files end up hand edited afterwards, then either keeping the vanilla outputs, or using patch files to apply the edits from the makefile. but then as i understand maru is more about being a proof of concept than a v0.1 platform that should gather external hacking power and slowly turn into another common lisp... :) -- • attila lendvai • PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- “Time is really the only capital that any human being has and the thing that he can least afford to waste or lose.” — Thomas A. Edison (1847–1931) ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
Re: [fonc] maru hg-to-git mirror on github
i've created a conversion of the official maru repo and uploaded it to github. https://github.com/attila-lendvai/maru FYI, due to lack of feedback i've decided on my own to record my work into a git snapshot of the maru repo at the same url i've advertised previously: https://github.com/attila-lendvai/maru but this conversion is created using hg-git, a plugin for mercurial that enables it to be push into git remotes. the git mirror i've originally advertised has been created with hg-fast-export, a standalone script. unfortunately the two git repos don't share the same root, and even though they are practically identical, they are different git repos. i've renamed that repo on github and will delete it eventually. the new git repo has a branch called 'official' which is the 'default' branch of the official hg repo. i can trivially update it by 'hg pull', 'hg push git-url', so let me know if that would help you and it's lagging behind the official. -- • attila lendvai • PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- “Beware the barrenness of a busy life.” — Socrates (c. 470–399 BC, tried and executed) ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
Re: [fonc] maru hg-to-git mirror on github
Thanks for setting up a Git bridge. The VPRI wiki should probably be updated, since the following page lists a Git repository that has been unreachable for many months (git://fig.org/idst.git). http://vpri.org/fonc_wiki/index.php/Installation_Guide that wiki seems to be dead, and i couldn't create an account either. (also, i personally miss the bird's eye view to edit that page) i'll move further maru related discussion to the maru-dev list: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/maru-dev i've also enabled the wiki for the github project where i'll record any useful/related info/plans/people i can find: https://github.com/attila-lendvai/maru/wiki i'd be happy to add contributors to the github project, so let me know! -- • attila lendvai • PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- Lie, n.: A very poor substitute for the truth, but the only one discovered to date. ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
Re: [fonc] Unsolved problem in computer science? Fixing shortcuts.
i think the source of the problem usually is that references are not encoding the intention properly (certainly in the case of symlinks). let's consider references in the context of e.g. a computer programs: in prevalent programming languages/systems a call site is referencing a function by a string (by the function's name), which is resolved in one of the phases in the complex process of executing the program. this is a good example of lost intention. consider computer programs as what they really are, namely graphs, as opposed to flat text files: at the call site did the programmer reference that specific version of the function definition? if someone modifies the definition then should the call site call the old definition or the new one? if someone renames the definition then should the call site refer to the same definition or become a broken link? and a tangential to ponder about: for a compiler algorithm a program means exactly the same even if we throw away all the names after name resolution phase. mainstream computing systems in general have no clear abstraction for first class identity management, and due to that references are also murky. e.g. if i look up a movie on imdb.com, and when i drop it on my desktop, then i want my computing system to display the identity of that movie, or in short: the movie. not a file, not a specific video stream representing that movie, not a URL to imdb.com, not the name of the movie... but its identity, the movie itself. and the same applies when i drag and drop that icon again into a chat message. so, in short: express your intention with high precision in the references and in the data structures in general, and then the solution will be trivial (which doesn't mean that properly identifying your intentions is easy). -- • attila lendvai • PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- “Merely having an open mind is nothing; the object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.” — G.K. Chesterton ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
