[fonc] OOP

2011-08-19 Thread DeNigris Sean
Alan, I'm thinking more deeply about computers and language and have realized that, after programming for 15 years, I still have no idea what I'm talking about :) After reading many of the LISP suggestions (thanks), the primary features seem to me to be: parsimony (again you got to me and I

Re: [fonc] OOP

2011-08-19 Thread Casey Ransberger
Five bucks says the species doesn't know what it's talking about yet. Admitting this is probably very healthy... it's a good way to avoid thinking that the ideas we have now are perfect or complete, an attitude I see a lot in industry. My favorite is the this-language-is-better-than-that-one.

Re: [fonc] OOP

2011-08-19 Thread BGB
On 8/19/2011 4:11 PM, David Barbour wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, DeNigris Seans...@clipperadams.com wrote: After reading many of the LISP suggestions (thanks), the primary features seem to me to be: I'm not sure where, if at all, security comes in Security was, quite

Re: [fonc] OOP

2011-08-19 Thread David Barbour
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:33 PM, BGB cr88...@gmail.com wrote: 'Messaging' is a problem child of its own. It forces us to write highly stateful applications, in order to coordinate or orchestrate multiple devices. Resulting applications are neither resilient nor robust: a missed, lost,

Re: [fonc] OOP

2011-08-19 Thread BGB
On 8/19/2011 7:41 PM, David Barbour wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:33 PM, BGBcr88...@gmail.com wrote: 'Messaging' is a problem child of its own. It forces us to write highly stateful applications, in order to coordinate or orchestrate multiple devices. Resulting applications are neither

Re: [fonc] OOP

2011-08-19 Thread David Barbour
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:24 PM, BGB cr88...@gmail.com wrote: if a message is equivalent to a method call, then it is equivalent to a method call... Yes. But it's hard to make a point with a circular argument. there are worse ways to do things than by passing messages Certainly! We could