Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Jan Danielsson
On 12/14/12 00:23, Richard Hipp wrote: But, should there be an opt-in option to also make the disk changes? Yes -- definitely. -- Kind regards, Jan Danielsson ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Jan Danielsson
On 12/14/12 00:56, Nolan Darilek wrote: Who would have guessed that something as simple as having rm remove the file from disk would prompt opponents to: * claim that I want Fossil to be like Git. * Call me lazy. * Insult my intelligence by claiming that I don't know what a VCS is or

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Gour
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:55:50 +0100 Jan Danielsson jan.m.daniels...@gmail.com wrote: I must say, I'm not quite as fond of the fossil community as I once was. I have no interest in being insulted further. That's pity that immature people are chasing away older members. :-( Sincerely, Gour

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Pierpaolo Bernardi
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote: So Altu and Eric (and also Joe Mistachkin on a back-channel) have pretty much convinced me at this point to keep the current behavior of fossil rm and fossil mv. I'm happy to read this. Thank you. I had refrained to chime

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread David Given
Richard Hipp wrote: [...] But, should there be an opt-in option to also make the disk changes? Perhaps fossil rm abc.txt just removes abc.txt from configuration management, but fossil rm -f abc.txt also removes it from disk? Yes, please. (Particularly with fossil mv; refactoring large numbers

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:08:04PM +, Eric wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:55:55 -0500, Altu Faltu altufa...@mail.com wrote: In order to continue the debate: In my work flow, I do rm or mv in file system as and when needed. I do fossil rm or fossil mv only when reviewing my changes

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 05:04:52PM -0700, Matt Welland wrote: This is the classical divide between pragmatists (I want to get my job with with minimal pain so I can go home a play ball with my son) versus the idealists (source code management means doing x, y and z and no more and no less

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Nolan Darilek
Here's a thought: Let's remove the rm alias and make it just fossil remove. That will eliminate all my objections. When I issue a rm, whether at my shell, or in hg, git, svn, everywhere else but CVS apparently, which is the reason for establishing this expectation, it behaves a certain way.

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Matt Welland
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Chad Perrin c...@apotheon.net wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 05:04:52PM -0700, Matt Welland wrote: This is the classical divide between pragmatists (I want to get my job with with minimal pain so I can go home a play ball with my son) versus the

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Martin Gagnon
Le 2012-12-14 12:50, Matt Welland a écrit : On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Chad Perrin c...@apotheon.net mailto:c...@apotheon.net wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 05:04:52PM -0700, Matt Welland wrote: This is the classical divide between pragmatists (I want to get my job

[fossil-users] Possible future fossil rm behaviour

2012-12-14 Thread Francis Daly
Hi there, there is another thread happening which is suggesting or proposing a future version of fossil rm which is not identical to the current one. What is the specific desired future behaviour? I think there are three possible future commands to be considered -- whether implemented as

Re: [fossil-users] Possible future fossil rm behaviour

2012-12-14 Thread Francis Daly
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 07:58:03PM +, Francis Daly wrote: Hi there, I forgot at least one case, which I can shoe-horn in here by adding: what would be different if rm a were added just before fossil new-rm a, as in: echo X a; echo X b; echo X c; fossil add a b fossil commit -m a and b =

[fossil-users] Syncing with Github

2012-12-14 Thread Laurens Van Houtven
Hi, I'd like to move some projects from Github to self-hosted fossil (or maybe chisel, I haven't decided yet). However, I'd like to keep the Github repository available and updated. I can do a one-time move with fast-export/fast-import, but that doesn't help for new code. I'm willing to have

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Eric
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:10:44 -0700, Chad Perrin c...@apotheon.net wrote: Well, I had to pick one message to answer Aaargh! (there should be more as) 1) Telling the operating system to delete a file from disk and telling the VCS that a file which is in the

[fossil-users] Obvious solution to the rm/mv problem?

2012-12-14 Thread Jan Danielsson
Hello, It seems that some of those who are opposed to changing the behavior of rm/mv are reaching a consensus that the names rm and mv were poorly chosen, because they have a Unix connotation, and rename and move has been suggested instead. So -- is there any reason we can't have both?

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Jan Danielsson
On 12/15/12 01:06, Eric wrote: [---] 4) I am not criticizing people, merely what they say. I see evidence that they don't get where I'm coming from because they have only an incomplete idea of what this is all about. 5) SCM stands for Software Configuration Management which is not the same

Re: [fossil-users] Obvious solution to the rm/mv problem?

2012-12-14 Thread Richard Hipp
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Jan Danielsson jan.m.daniels...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, It seems that some of those who are opposed to changing the behavior of rm/mv are reaching a consensus that the names rm and mv were poorly chosen, because they have a Unix connotation, and rename and

Re: [fossil-users] Obvious solution to the rm/mv problem?

2012-12-14 Thread Themba Fletcher
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Jan Danielsson jan.m.daniels...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, It seems that some of those who are opposed to changing the behavior of rm/mv are reaching a consensus that the names rm and mv

Re: [fossil-users] Obvious solution to the rm/mv problem?

2012-12-14 Thread Richard Hipp
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Themba Fletcher themba.fletc...@gmail.comwrote: Could I humbly suggest unmanage for the name of the remove-from-repo-and-leave-the-disk-alone command? This would be consistent with the status messages emitted by fossil (I think on merge?) and it's pretty

[fossil-users] Improvements to side-by-side diff

2012-12-14 Thread Richard Hipp
Reposted from fossil-dev: OLD: http://www2.sqlite.org/src/ci/52e755943f?sbs=1#chunk1 NEW: http://www.sqlite.org/src/ci/52e755943f?sbs=1#chunk1 OLD: http://www2.fossil-scm.org/fossil/fdiff?v1=955cc67ace8fb622v2=e2e1c87b86664b45#chunk24 NEW:

Re: [fossil-users] Obvious solution to the rm/mv problem?

2012-12-14 Thread Jan Danielsson
On 12/15/12 03:15, Richard Hipp wrote: [---] It is suggested to me (off-list) that it would be too disruptive to abruptly change the meaning of fossil rm to start deleting from disk. So I propose a staged implementation: Stage 1: (a) fossil rm -f deletes from disk (if it is safe to do so)

Re: [fossil-users] Obvious solution to the rm/mv problem?

2012-12-14 Thread Steve Havelka
On 12/14/2012 06:15 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Themba Fletcher themba.fletc...@gmail.com mailto:themba.fletc...@gmail.com wrote: Could I humbly suggest unmanage for the name of the remove-from-repo-and-leave-the-disk-alone command? This would be

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 12:06:02AM +, Eric wrote: 1) Telling the operating system to delete a file from disk and telling the VCS that a file which is in the parent commit should not be in the next are two very different actions and I think they should be kept separate. I'm perfectly

Re: [fossil-users] Obvious solution to the rm/mv problem?

2012-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 03:44:28AM +0100, Jan Danielsson wrote: On 12/15/12 03:15, Richard Hipp wrote: [---] It is suggested to me (off-list) that it would be too disruptive to abruptly change the meaning of fossil rm to start deleting from disk. So I propose a staged implementation:

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 08:46:22PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 12:06:02AM +, Eric wrote: 1) Telling the operating system to delete a file from disk and telling the VCS that a file which is in the parent commit should not be in the next are two very different

Re: [fossil-users] why does `fossil rm' not do the real thing?

2012-12-14 Thread Joe Mistachkin
My opinion is that backward compatibility should be retained because various people, including several that may not be involved in this discussion, have existing scripts and other automation that relies upon the current behavior. Whether the current behavior being ideal or not is an entirely

Re: [fossil-users] Improvements to side-by-side diff

2012-12-14 Thread Themba Fletcher
I've been meaning to post this for a while. On every browser except firefox, at least with my installed fonts, the side-by-side diff container overflows the body resulting in the body's border being visible as a vertical gray line behind the diff content. This will fix that, if you'd like to have