Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing update committee open for membership applications

2009-03-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, People have one reputation. This reputation is for the WMF with the nick they are known by. Being on this committee is a poisoned chalice anyway because they will never be able to satisfy everyone. Thanks, GerardM 2009/3/14 geni geni...@gmail.com 2009/3/13 Erik Moeller

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Erik Moeller wrote: a) a link (URL) to the article or articles you are re-using, As I have said on a few occasions now in a few threads, this is of course no attribution at all. This needs sorely to be worded something like a) a link (URL) to the history page of the article or other page

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread David Goodman
If you can link to the article you can link to the history. We already have that mechanism. The problem I see is that people will link to a specific version, and though that satisfies the licensing requirements, and is necessary academically for tracing the actual sources and authors, in most

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution survey, first results

2009-03-15 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Wednesday 04 March 2009 19:00:25 Thomas Dalton написа: maintaining what they consider adequate attribution). The options given, in order of simplest to most difficult are: No credit Credit to Wikipedia (or similar) Link to article Link to history link online, full list of authors

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread Charlotte Webb
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: If the people producing the mugs want that they are free to produce a version of the history on their servers or more legally more solid include a sheet of paper with a complete list of authors with the mug. It's hard

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/15 Charlotte Webb charlottethew...@gmail.com: This would still give the wrong data if the page has been moved to [[Xenu (Scientology)]] and the [[Xenu (disambiguation)]] is moved to [[Xenu]], which isn't a totally unreasonable outcome. You'd have to use something like:

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread geni
2009/3/15 Charlotte Webb charlottethew...@gmail.com: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: If the people producing the mugs want that they are free to produce a version of the history on their servers or more legally more solid include a sheet of paper with

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread geni
2009/3/15 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Would this mean the vicious lunatic arsehole contributor (note I don't say hypothetical there, there are quite enough real-world examples of unbalanced nutters out to nail us on anything) who takes the mug-maker to court would win, or lose? To what

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/15 geni geni...@gmail.com: Wikimedia is not a party to the license therefor it's FAQ is of no relevance. The answer again goes to the license text. You must...keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and provide ,reasonable to the medium or means You are utilizing: (i) the name

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread Ray Saintonge
geni wrote: 2009/3/15 Charlotte Webb : On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: If the people producing the mugs want that they are free to produce a version of the history on their servers or more legally more solid include a sheet of paper with a complete list of

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread Michael Snow
Anthony wrote: a) a link (URL) to the history page of the article or other page that contains the authorship information of the articles you are re-using. For offline copies, that would likewise be no attribution at all. Can we please drop the nonsense that a URL is no attribution at

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/16 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net: Anthony wrote: For offline copies, that would likewise be no attribution at all. Can we please drop the nonsense that a URL is no attribution at all in an offline context? I've made this point before, but URLs do not suddenly become devoid of

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/16 Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:59 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. The claim is meaningless and querulous noise. Printed objects commonly have a URL on them these days. Listing a source or history short URL would do the job it's

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread geni
2009/3/16 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: You have failed to establish how that makes any difference - it doesn't. The reason for it being there makes no difference as to whether people know what a URL is when they see it in print. Interesting claim I'm not aware of any testing. If we limit

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote: Anthony wrote: a) a link (URL) to the history page of the article or other page that contains the authorship information of the articles you are re-using. For offline copies, that would likewise be no

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-15 Thread Michael Snow
Anthony wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote: Anthony wrote: a) a link (URL) to the history page of the article or other page that contains the authorship information of the articles you are re-using. For offline copies, that