Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread Ray Saintonge
Samuel Klein wrote: There is a wealth of work done all the time by primary source researchers and publishers, which could be improved on by having wikisource entries, translations, c. Related question : how appropriate would large numbers of public domain texts, with page scans and the best

Re: [Foundation-l] Iran?

2009-06-21 Thread Ray Saintonge
Robert Rohde wrote: On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: While there may very well have been widespread fraud, that alone wouldn't be enough to explain away a 29 percentage point spread. A strong line of national security scare-mongering is always

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 20 June 2009 18:29:24 Brian написа: This has reminded me to complain about Google Books. Google has the world's best OCR (in virtue of having the largest OCR'able dataset) and also has a mission to scan in all the public domain books they can get their hand on. They recently

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Translate now assists with humantranslations of Wikipedia articles

2009-06-21 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 13 June 2009 18:20:36 picus-viridis написа: IMHO automatic translations into Polish are useless, as they only allow rough orientation in the contents of an article. It concerns not only How is rough orientation in the contents of an article useless?

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:41 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2009/06/19/using-wikisource-as-an-alternative-open-access-repository-for-legal-scholarship/ Interesting. How well does this fit with what Wikisource does? Tim Armstrong is a sysop on

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] flagged revisions

2009-06-21 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
But on the other end of the spectrum, on projects like the one I am active on (the Finnish Wikipedia)... Disruptive behaviour is not wired into our genes or our culture, but quietly co?perative behaviour has been. Our wikipedia is a paradise in comparison to many. For this reason personally

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Stephen Bain wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Parker Higginsparkerhigg...@gmail.com wrote: Except google isn't asserting any kind of copyright control over these books, they're just not making it convenient

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: (*) Personally, I'm of the opinion that merely accessing a website is not sufficient to bind a websurfer to a TOS, and that at most a TOS which you do not have to even click agree to is a unilateral contract which can only

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Stephen Bain wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Parker Higginsparkerhigg...@gmail.com wrote: Except google isn't asserting any kind of

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:54 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Whether Google is good or evil is off-topic, and irrelevant to boot. Whether or not they have a right to exclude bots isn't. Also worth noting, Project Gutenberg has digitised less than 30,000 books since 1971.

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:54 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Whether Google is good or evil is off-topic, and irrelevant to boot. Whether or not they have a right to exclude bots isn't. Actually, it is. This

Re: [Foundation-l] Iran?

2009-06-21 Thread David Gerard
2009/6/21 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net: Sure, transparency is a problem, but its absence alone does not imply fraud.  It hurts the Iranian authorities even more if the vote count is accurate because nobody believes them. Evidence the numbers were made up: humans are not very good at

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Translate now assists with humantranslations of Wikipedia articles

2009-06-21 Thread David Gerard
2009/6/21 Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu: Дана Saturday 13 June 2009 18:20:36 picus-viridis написа: IMHO automatic translations into Polish are useless, as they only allow rough orientation in the contents of an article. It concerns  not only How is rough orientation in the contents of

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:35 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest you take a look at a few of the DJVU files provided by Internet Archive. Then you can point out real faults that you see. I will. My apologies for misunderstanding your email.

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:35 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest you take a look at a few of the DJVU files provided by Internet Archive. Then you can point out real faults that you see. I will. My

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Translate now assists with humantranslations of Wikipedia articles

2009-06-21 Thread Mark Williamson
It also depends on the language pair. For Chinese to English, I wouldn't even bother with such a process (having a machine translate and then correct the errors); for Spanish to English I do this very frequently and it's a great timesaver. Mark skype: node.ue On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:05 AM,

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:35 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.comwrote: I suggest you take a look at a few of the DJVU files provided by Internet Archive.

Re: [Foundation-l] Iran?

2009-06-21 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:00 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Evidence the numbers were made up: humans are not very good at picking random numbers: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/20/AR200906204.html (This is way off-topic ...) Convincing,

[Foundation-l] Google Books

2009-06-21 Thread John Vandenberg
subject line changed On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:35 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest you take a look at a few of the DJVU files

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:41 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2009/06/19/using-wikisource-as-an-alternative-open-access-repository-for-legal-scholarship/ Interesting. How well does this fit with what Wikisource does? Here are seven articles from

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] flagged revisions

2009-06-21 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: But on the other end of the spectrum, on projects like the one I am active on (the Finnish Wikipedia)... Disruptive behaviour is not wired into our genes or our culture, but quietly co?perative behaviour has been. Our wikipedia is a paradise in comparison to many.

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-21 Thread Ray Saintonge
Anthony wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Anthony wrote: Okay, http://www.archive.org/details/catholicencyclo16herbgoog happened to be the first book I randomly picked from Google Book Search. There's no text version. And the text version I find of other editions seems to be much