Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-09 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi Ting, one simple question: Is the Wikimedia Foundation going to enable the image filter on _all_ projects, disregarding consensus by local communities of rejecting the image filter? (E.g. German Wikipedia) We are currently in a very unpleasant situation of uncertainty. Tensions in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-09 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 10/09/2011 04:56 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: If the WMF picks a fight with the community on something the community feel very strongly about (which this certainly seems to be), the WMF will lose horribly and the fall-out for the whole movement will be very bad indeed. +1. (And I say that,

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-09 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 10/09/2011 07:20 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: The community doesn't trust the WMF at the moment. A firm commitment not to go against an overwhelming community opinion would go a long way towards fixing that. That's exactly the situation. Right now, we're in a deadlock: WMF is waiting for the

Re: [Foundation-l] all images on/off function

2011-10-07 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi Phil, I appreciate your feedback on my posts, although I'm not quite sure what you're trying to tell me. I don't read your posts, because (a) I don't trust attachments anyway, and I use a digital signature to sign my Emails. That way, people can verify that the Email on this list are really

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Stanton Foundation Awards Wikimedia $3.6 Million for Technology Improvements

2011-10-06 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Wow, that's great! On 10/06/2011 05:13 AM, MZMcBride wrote: Is the grant restricted or unrestricted? (Is there a copy of the agreement somewhere?) I'm not sure if it's any more restricted than the summary says: The purpose of the grant is to fund major investments in the technology

Re: [Foundation-l] all images on/off function

2011-10-06 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi, On 09/13/2011 08:06 AM, Liam Wyatt wrote: Is that a new feature or was it always there and I just didn't notice it? It's a fairly new feature of the mobile re-write. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/status If it's a new feature, was it enabled as a result these recent

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-05 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 10/05/2011 06:25 AM, Aaron Adrignola wrote: I'm sure those on this list are familiar with the de.wikipedia poll on the proposed image filter with its strong outcome on a particular side of the debate. I am quite concerned about the precedent that it.wikipedia is being allowed to set.

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi, Wikipedia is a promise, that promise is free knowledge at all time. By locking read access, you break that promise, you destroy part of the trust that our readers have in Wikipedia. In order to get the readers attention, it seems equally efficient to me to have a huge sitenotice, but without

Re: [Foundation-l] Blanking a Wikipedia, a very bad idea

2011-10-04 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 10/04/2011 10:38 PM, Mathias Schindler wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 22:32, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: No, it is a very good idea. The public needs to know what is at stake. It would be nice if it were otherwise, but most people only learn by experience.

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-10-01 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 09/21/2011 03:47 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: * Create en.safe.wikipedia.org […] Then governments/ISPs/institutions could block unsafe-Wikipedia via DNS blocks. This is, compared to DPI, quite easy. Using en.wikipedia.org/safe/ might resolve this issue. * Create safe.wikimedia.org. That would be

Re: [Foundation-l] Experiment: Blurring all images on Wikipedia

2011-10-01 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi Björn, excellent! We need experiements and creative ideas. On 10/01/2011 02:46 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: This only works in recent desktop versions of Opera and Firefox and only on devices where you can easily hover. How good are chances it can be implemented in a feasible way for other

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 09/29/2011 04:37 PM, Dirk Franke wrote: For anybody interested: I wrote a blog-post full of disagreement :-) http://asinliberty.blogspot.com/2011/09/sorry-sue-gardner-but-image-filter.html So basically, we find that there are two different, somewhat incompatible definitions of Wikipedia:

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-04 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 09/04/2011 07:43 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: Assuming that the .de community is similar to the wikimedia community at large […] That is where I disagree. The personal image filter doesn't make much sense in German Wikipedia, since the German culture is generally pretty liberal with respect to

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-04 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
(Off-Topic post) On 09/04/2011 09:53 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: Also, de.wikipedia uses Commons 100% iirc. Commons also only hosts actual free (as in speech) images. Because -hey- that's their mission. That's almost correct :) There are some exceptions due to a relative low Threshold of

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-04 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 09/04/2011 09:57 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: I never said there was anything wrong with the German Wikipedia. I was suggesting that swastikas might be something German people would want to filter out […] An empirical assumption I disagree with. Most people are imho only offended by swastikas

Re: [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)

2011-09-03 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 09/03/2011 11:07 AM, Béria Lima wrote: Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaIL Only very few videos are online (actually only 5 sessions). Most of the presentations are missing. Regards, Tobias signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Foundation-l] Austrian government goes cc-by by default

2011-08-15 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 08/15/2011 02:50 PM, David Gerard wrote: http://blog.okfn.org/2011/08/15/austria-adopts-ckan-and-cc-by-as-nation-wide-defaults/ CC-by to be default licence for government data. Wow, this is awesome! I hope more countries will follow. Does this only apply to government databases or all

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement Roles: my suggestion of Language Contact Persons

2011-08-15 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 08/14/2011 11:41 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: I support the idea of language contact persons, or ambassadors, but their appointment shouldn't be as rigidly regulated as the appointment of administrators. I agree, instead of only two responsible persons there should be a group of people who

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania: thank you to our hosts :-)

2011-08-13 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 08/12/2011 11:31 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: Hi folks, I don't know if anyone has made a post-Wikimania thread yet thanking our hosts --- if so, I'm sorry to duplicate, but I've missed it. There's a whole lot over at the Wikimania-l mailing list[1] and feedback is collected on-wiki:

[Foundation-l] Putin receives same award as Wikipedia

2011-07-10 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi, Vladimir Putin has been awarded the Quadriga Award, which is dedicated to all of those whose courage tears down walls and whose commitment builds bridges[1]. This is the same award Wikipedia received in 2008 (Wikipedia being represented by Jimmy Wales). The award has been forwarded to

Re: [Foundation-l] Welcome Tilman Bayer to the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-07-08 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 07/08/2011 07:25 PM, Jay Walsh wrote: It's with great pleasure that I announce a longtime Wikipedian and accomplished Wikimedia project supporter, Tilman Bayer (User:HaeB) has agreed to join the Wikimedia Foundation in support of our movement communications activities. Great news! :)

Re: [Foundation-l] CentralNotice use

2011-05-22 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 05/21/2011 02:12 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: It's clear that there's a need for community broadcasting tools that allow for a degree of personal flexibility, whether it's by means of subscription or otherwise. I agree, this would fix almost all problem instantly. Although it does not replace

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native language

2011-05-22 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi Milos, thanks for those interesting facts! On 05/22/2011 01:15 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: Those are preliminary results. We have two chapters (and strategic focus) in countries of the list above. Inside of the longer list, which should be verified, we have more chapters. I noted that there

[Foundation-l] CentralNotice use

2011-05-19 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi all, Do we have any guidelines limiting the use of CentralNotices? I noticed there are a lot lately (fundraising, wikimania and most recently board elections and commons POTY), some of which are not of much interest to the audience. Take for example one of the most recent banners about

Re: [Foundation-l] CentralNotice use

2011-05-19 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 05/19/2011 05:59 PM, Kirill Lokshin wrote: A better alternative, in my opinion, would be editor-facing pages such as watchlists, noticeboards, etc. Feature already exists, via Javascript: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/watchlist.js Perhaps make it a core feature of

Re: [Foundation-l] CentralNotice use

2011-05-19 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 05/19/2011 07:13 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:52 AM, church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs.ml@ googlemail.com wrote: Until most recently, it has been displayed on every single page view for most of our 400 Million readers or so, according to the setup for 20 days

Re: [Foundation-l] Editor survey - finished?

2011-04-27 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 04/27/2011 04:54 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: Now people are complaining that they can't see the banner. I tried telling them to clean the cookies and it didn't help; i tried it myself, and it doesn't help me either. BTW, next time a static link to the survey would be useful. Some Wikipedians

Re: [Foundation-l] [Announce] Brion Vibber to rejoin Wikimedia Foundation

2011-03-09 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 03/08/2011 10:25 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: I'd like to see that tested, personally. More than 50% of the Foundation contributors do not write in English, and don't read English as a primary language; if this is true, then we should implement a better solution for foundation-level discussions

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-07 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 03/05/2011 11:56 PM, geni wrote: A skin targeted at users with limited bandwidth would probably help. Yes, that'd be awesome! Also for mobile users with a small bandwidth. (Did I mention Wikipedia mobile needs a complete re-write?) --Tobias signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-07 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 03/07/2011 06:08 PM, David Gerard wrote: Indeed. This thread appears to have been an exercise in: [a whole lot of insults] I don't know if you're directing this at me, but if you are, I seriously would be interested why you think that I'm trolling or assuming bad faith. To clarify: I

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-07 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 03/07/2011 06:30 PM, David Gerard wrote: Indeed. Juergen, are you saying the X wasn't present, or that it didn't work for you? It seemed to for everyone else that tried it. There were some reports that banners came back after a short while, probably because of client-side cookie problems.

Re: [Foundation-l] [Announce] Brion Vibber to rejoin Wikimedia Foundation

2011-03-07 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Wow, great news! Lead Architect for the next generation MediaWiki platform I'd really like to hear more about that. Did I miss something or is this a new project? :-) --Tobias signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-05 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 03/05/2011 06:28 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: So that we're not hypothesizing, I'll say it: I sincerely regret the way I put that. I was attempting to say that the choices that we make have real world consequences. I used a terrible example to point that out. Thanks Philippe, I

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-05 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 03/05/2011 08:37 PM, Zack Exley wrote: I promise that we kept the annoyance of the fundraiser almost to a minimum given the amount of money we had to raise. we had to raise sounds absolute, but it is relative to a self-set (some would say arbitrary) fundraising goal. This year the goal was

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-05 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 03/05/2011 09:38 PM, Sebastian Moleski wrote: In terms of annoyance, I think we all need to be careful not to substitute our own judgment for that of others. Just because you or I find banners annoying, it's a far jump to argue that our readers in general also found them annoying. In fact,

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-05 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 03/06/2011 12:06 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: It seems to me that we spent a year building a strategic plan, which included huge business planning components for exactly this conversation There are numbers for estimated expenses: $51M for 2014/2015

Re: [Foundation-l] Is the WMF spending its (our or our donors) money irrationally?

2011-03-04 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 03/04/2011 03:47 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: creating a secondary datacentre an expensive but logical one. I agree. Wikipedia's server infrastructure is crazy if you compare it to any other major site. Any effort to professionalize it and make it more reliable (not only in terms of

[Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-04 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi, perhaps now that most of the fundraising stress is over, we can discuss the direction WMF should be taking in terms of raising funds. While I'm glad that WMF and most chapters reached or exceeded their fundraising goals, I feel qualmishly about where we're heading. In order to meet a very

Re: [Foundation-l] share in Facebook/Twitter/etc icon

2011-02-07 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 02/07/2011 10:21 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: User:HalanTul from the Sakha Wikipedia asked me to ask about this here. The writers of the Sakha Wikipedia want to add icons to share in Facebook/Twitter/etc to some articles to promote the project, but they are concerned about the legal and

Re: [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi David, from what I understand, there's a fundamental problem: There is no formal description of WikiSyntax. Its specification is: what the MediaWiki parser does. It seems that it's not very hard to write a WYSIWYG that covers 99% of all WikiSyntax, the problem is the remaining 1%. That being

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation

2010-08-03 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 08/03/2010 12:01 AM, Cary Bass wrote: It is with deep regret that I tell you I will be leaving the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of December. Hi Cary, this is truly sad news for us! I'm not sure how the foundation is supposed to replace you. (I'm guessing a piece of

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-04 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 07/04/2010 03:40 AM, Eugene Eric Kim wrote: 1. Decision-making processes for development. Many of the large open source projects have core teams consisting of both paid and volunteer developers, and they typically have a decision-making process that is independent of any single

[Foundation-l] Werner Icking Music Archive may be closing

2010-02-28 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi, The Werner Icking Music Archive has announced it's no longer capable of coping with the large amount of visitors to the site. They are considering hosting the content somewhere else. This archive contains much sheet music of public domain music. See: