Re: [Foundation-l] Wikisource's translation efforts, Babel and Translate extensions

2011-03-04 Thread Samuel Klein
A few nice translation extensions have become mature recently, and are being considered for use on the Projects: John Vandenberg commented recently that Wikisource has been looking to have the Babel extension installed, and Siebrand notes the Translate extension is ready for wider use, say on

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

2011-03-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2011/3/4 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net: On 03/03/11 5:44 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: The name administrator gives the impression of some mythical balance of power, although administrators don't actually administrate - they (un)delete, (un)block and (un)protect, in addition to editing

Re: [Foundation-l] Moral rights

2011-03-04 Thread Teofilo
It would seem that the right to license one's own work as one chooses is one of those rights. How does French law resolve that conflict? By declaring that the contract where the contractant chooses to waive a fundamental right is void. You find the same line of thought in Jean Jacques

Re: [Foundation-l] Moral rights

2011-03-04 Thread Teofilo
Moral rights is one of the core values which used to be defended at least in the past, at least by a few community members. Things are changing so quickly these days that I can be sure of nothing, but it seems to be still the case today as shown on

Re: [Foundation-l] Moral rights

2011-03-04 Thread Teofilo
2011/2/27 Birgitte SB birgitte...@yahoo.com: No one wants to attack French moral rights, or the attack the idiosyncrasies of any particular legal jurisdiction.  What we want to do is curate a large international collection of free content that will remain free content 300 years from now

Re: [Foundation-l] Moral rights

2011-03-04 Thread Victor Vasiliev
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: In my opinion, the people who want to attack this, are on a sloppery slope where the next step is when they request you to waive your human rights. Are you quite serious? --vvv

Re: [Foundation-l] Moral rights

2011-03-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 March 2011 11:05, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: No one ? I would not say so. I would rather say that 75.8% (1) want to attack moral rights, which are not French only (3), and, as I showed in my previous mail, are a value taken into account in Wikimedia projects in such documents

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikisource's translation efforts, Babel and Translate extensions

2011-03-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
John Vandenberg commented recently that Wikisource has been looking to have the Babel extension installed, and Siebrand notes the Translate extension is ready for wider use, say on Meta or Mediawiki.org: Babel is great and i'd love to see it enabled everywhere, but there's a little odd bug

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

2011-03-04 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 14:57:37 -0800, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: There are huge flaws in the decision making process. The process of proposal, considered favorable response, overwhelming negative vote is common. It repeats itself, and that too becomes a part of the problem.

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Storyteller job opening

2011-03-04 Thread Victor Vasiliev
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:26 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: You appear to be generalising from your personal preferences to the world here. This is a common fallacy and a really bad idea in general. I have heard numerous complains from other volunteers who thought that WMF is

Re: [Foundation-l] Moral rights

2011-03-04 Thread Teofilo
2011/3/4 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: On 4 March 2011 11:05, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: No one ? I would not say so. I would rather say that 75.8% (1) want to attack moral rights, which are not French only (3), and, as I showed in my previous mail, are a value taken into account

Re: [Foundation-l] Moral rights

2011-03-04 Thread Teofilo
2011/3/4 Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com: 2011/3/4 Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com: (...) (3) For example Spanish copyright law article 14 derechos irrenunciables e inalienables (...) Exigir el reconocimiento de su condición de autor de la obra

Re: [Foundation-l] Moral rights

2011-03-04 Thread Arlen Beiler
Next thing these people will shutdown wikipedia because the french law says impre*scriptible*, and they will say that because wikipedia uses JS and so is scriptable, it shouldn't be around. What don't you like about the licence anyway? It is my opinion that the laws of the most influentual country

Re: [Foundation-l] FCForum Declaration: Sustainable Models for Creativity

2011-03-04 Thread Mayo FM
Hello! Hola! Thanks Milos and SJ for openning the question in this e-list. Here below I send a short e-mail (in English, Spanish and catalan version) which inform about the Free culture forum (Fcforum) and the release of the Declaration and how-to manual on new models of sustainability of

Re: [Foundation-l] Moral rights

2011-03-04 Thread Newyorkbrad
This thread is at a bit too theoretical a plane for me to follow in detail. (As it happens, I'm a lawyer, but of course not a French lawyer.) Can someone give a specific instance (theoretical or historical) where the assertion of droit moral as applied to wiki content beyond what is expressly

[Foundation-l] Is the WMF spending its (our or our donors) money irrationally?

2011-03-04 Thread WereSpielChequers
Re the numerous complains from other volunteers who thought that WMF is spending its money irrationally. that vvv has heard. Any charity has pretty much by definition an obligation to use the money it is entrusted with rationally and appropriately. In the case of the WMF there has been a lot of

Re: [Foundation-l] Is the WMF spending its (our or our donors) money irrationally?

2011-03-04 Thread Tim Starling
On 05/03/11 01:47, WereSpielChequers wrote: As for the big financial decisions, I tend to the view that locating our sole data centre in a state known for its Earthquakes was a brave decision, and creating a secondary datacentre an expensive but logical one. Our main data centre is in

Re: [Foundation-l] Is the WMF spending its (our or our donors) money irrationally?

2011-03-04 Thread emijrp
What about hurricanes? ; ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Florida_hurricane_%28pre-1900%29_tracks.jpg 2011/3/4 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org On 05/03/11 01:47, WereSpielChequers wrote: As for the big financial decisions, I tend to the view that locating our sole data centre in a

Re: [Foundation-l] Is the WMF spending its (our or our donors) money irrationally?

2011-03-04 Thread Jon Davis
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 07:59, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: What about hurricanes? ; ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Florida_hurricane_%28pre-1900%29_tracks.jpg Maybe that's why the new Datacenter is being built in Virginia [1]? The reality is that no where is safe from natural

Re: [Foundation-l] Is the WMF spending its (our or our donors) money irrationally?

2011-03-04 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 03/04/2011 03:47 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: creating a secondary datacentre an expensive but logical one. I agree. Wikipedia's server infrastructure is crazy if you compare it to any other major site. Any effort to professionalize it and make it more reliable (not only in terms of

[Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-04 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi, perhaps now that most of the fundraising stress is over, we can discuss the direction WMF should be taking in terms of raising funds. While I'm glad that WMF and most chapters reached or exceeded their fundraising goals, I feel qualmishly about where we're heading. In order to meet a very

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

2011-03-04 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 03/04/11 2:04 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: 2011/3/4 Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net: On 03/03/11 5:44 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: The name administrator gives the impression of some mythical balance of power, although administrators don't actually administrate - they (un)delete, (un)block

Re: [Foundation-l] Is the WMF spending its (our or our donors) money irrationally?

2011-03-04 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Jon Davis w...@konsoletek.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 07:59, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: What about hurricanes? ; ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Florida_hurricane_%28pre-1900%29_tracks.jpg Maybe that's why the new Datacenter is being built in

[Foundation-l] (OT) Wael Ghonim TED talk on the Egyptian Revolution

2011-03-04 Thread Sue Gardner
This is not 100% off-topic, since he talks about Wikipedia off the top. But it's worth watching regardless of that: it is a really lovely, inspiring talk. http://www.ted.com/talks/wael_ghonim_inside_the_egyptian_revolution.html Thanks, Sue Some text from his Wikipedia article below: In January

Re: [Foundation-l] Moral rights

2011-03-04 Thread Birgitte SB
- Original Message From: Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 5:05:11 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Moral rights 2011/2/27 Birgitte SB birgitte...@yahoo.com: No one wants to attack

Re: [Foundation-l] (OT) Wael Ghonim TED talk on the Egyptian Revolution

2011-03-04 Thread MARIA DE LOS ANGELES HERRERA GARCIA
POR FAVOR ESCRIBIR EN ESPAÑOL YA QUE NO COMPRENDO EL INGLES GRACIAS... From: sgard...@wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:47:46 -0800 To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Foundation-l] (OT) Wael Ghonim TED talk on the Egyptian Revolution This is not 100%

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

2011-03-04 Thread MARIA DE LOS ANGELES HERRERA GARCIA
POR FAVOR DE ESCRIBIR EN ESPAÑOL ,YA QUE NO COMPRENDO BIEN EL INGLES..GRACIAS Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:54:05 -0800 From: sainto...@telus.net To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege On 03/04/11 2:04 AM, Amir E.

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikisource's translation efforts, Babel and Translate extensions

2011-03-04 Thread MZMcBride
Samuel Klein wrote: A few nice translation extensions have become mature recently, and are being considered for use on the Projects: John Vandenberg commented recently that Wikisource has been looking to have the Babel extension installed, and Siebrand notes the Translate extension is ready

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikisource's translation efforts, Babel and Translate extensions

2011-03-04 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:35 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Samuel Klein wrote: A few nice translation extensions have become mature recently, and are being considered for use on the Projects: John Vandenberg commented recently that Wikisource has been looking to have the Babel

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-04 Thread Zack Exley
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:50 AM, church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs.ml@ googlemail.com wrote: I found that comment to be very disturbing. It makes the Wikimedia staff look like it is mostly concerned with keeping their jobs,[4] instead of making Wikimedia's mission succeed. Money is not

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-04 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think he'd tell you he regrets the way he put that. Our jobs don't matter at all if they're not significantly helping the movement. And I know he feels that way too. So that we're not hypothesizing, I'll say it: I

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-04 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: The Wikimedia movement doesn’t owe you a job; You are here to serve the Wikimedia movement; If you want a job, start looking. I'm very serious about that. ___ foundation-l