Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Oliver Propst
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: I think OPW is great. Having it ran by GNOME is great as well. Lack of status update is bad. Having OPW funds under the same legal entity is IMO questionable. I think it should be a separate legal entity. For as it already

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 08/07/2014 12:06 AM, Mathieu Duponchelle wrote: Women do represent a pretty significant portion of the general public, no? I think for men by men probably doesn't meet the general public qualifier there. Standalone OPW is different from from men by men, I'm afraid I don't

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Alexandre Franke
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Let's not conflate whether or not OPW has anything to do with the mission statement or not; if there was a problem with alignment to the mission statement I would have expected that to be brought up quite some time ago,

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 08/07/2014 09:50 AM, Pascal Terjan wrote: The discussion is not about the absence of OPW, but about not providing the service of managing OPW for other organisations. I haven't seen anyone saying GNOME shouldn'tparticipate in OPW. Let me try to explain this another way... A couple of

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread meg ford
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Mathieu Duponchelle mduponchel...@gmail.com wrote: It seems I'm far from being the only one to think OPW should be abstracted away from GNOME. The subject of this thread clearly is GNOME's mission statement, and I'm interested in further discussion / opinions

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Mathieu Duponchelle
GSoC is also outside of the mission statement Why do you mention that? GSoC is organized by Google, not by GNOME. I think the discussion should focus on what is relevant I agree, but as I just said the subject of the thread is GNOME's mission statement, not financial and administrative

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Ryan Lortie
hi meg, On Thu, Aug 7, 2014, at 11:18, meg ford wrote: I don't think it's relevant. GSoC is also outside of the mission statement, though as I said before I think there are allusions to outreach in the Charter. I think the discussion should focus on what is relevant, which is how the

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread meg ford
Hi Ryan, On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Ryan Lortie de...@desrt.ca wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014, at 11:18, meg ford wrote: I don't think it's relevant. GSoC is also outside of the mission statement, though as I said before I think there are allusions to outreach in the Charter. I think

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2014-08-07 at 18:34 +0100, Allan Day wrote: Second, OPW has been beneficial for GNOME. It has raised our profile and further established our role as leaders in the Free Software world. Our sponsors are enthusiastic about OPW (conversely, moving OPW out of GNOME would give them one less

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Do you understand that the many -isms that negatively impact GNOME and open

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2014-08-07 at 14:24 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Do you

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Allan Day
Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: Second, OPW has been beneficial for GNOME. It has raised our profile and further established our role as leaders in the Free Software world. Our sponsors are enthusiastic about OPW (conversely, moving OPW out of GNOME would give them one less reason to

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 08/07/2014 03:02 PM, Allan Day wrote: While the interpretation isn't quite right, that blog post talks about GNOME and does so positively. It's giving us good exposure. Maybe GNOME's logo should appear under sponsors on gnome.org/opw too. ~m

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2014-08-07 at 15:13 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: On 08/07/2014 03:02 PM, Allan Day wrote: While the interpretation isn't quite right, that blog post talks about GNOME and does so positively. It's giving us good exposure. Maybe GNOME's logo should appear under sponsors on

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 08/07/2014 03:23 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: Ditto for the flyer at https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen as well as the similarly worded origins section. I'm happy to redesign the poster as needed. If anybody wants to help me in reviewing the edits, let me know off-list. ~m

Re: Mission Statement

2014-08-07 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] 1. Please get yourself a mailer that doesn't mangle Máirín's name, there are