Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 22/12/12 16:43, Marco van de Voort wrote: I think you have a wrong idea on what the core list contains. LOL. And how is anybody supposed to know what goes on - it is a PRIVATE mailing list. Which is why I suggested that a semi-formal way of taking disputes to it

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 23.12.2012 01:50, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: On 22/12/12 16:43, Marco van de Voort wrote: I think you have a wrong idea on what the core list contains. LOL. And how is anybody supposed to know what goes on - it is a PRIVATE mailing list. I don't think direction on unicode (or even

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Sven Barth
On 23.12.2012 01:50, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 22/12/12 16:43, Marco van de Voort wrote: I think you have a wrong idea on what the core list contains. LOL. And how is anybody supposed to know what goes on - it is a PRIVATE mailing list. I don't think direction on unicode (or even

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 22/12/12 16:43, Marco van de Voort wrote: I think you have a wrong idea on what the core list contains. LOL. And how is anybody supposed to know what goes on - it is a PRIVATE mailing list. No, but I think you hugely overestimate what goes

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Sven Barth wrote: to remember to mention which RTL they are using when reporting bugs, keeps those two RTL's in sync over time etc. Yeah, it seams you guys are sometimes not to knowledgeable either. All you are going to do is create more work for yourselves. But hey, who

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Leif Ekblad
IMO, I wouldn't support wide-character (UnicodeString) strings for anything new. In the beginning the wide-character string had the advantage of being able to represent all characters with 2 bytes, but this is no longer the case. I would switch to UTF-8 instead and keep characters 1 byte long.

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: Well, let me just say that the idea of two RTL's is rather ridiculous too!! It's not different from Delphi, where the introduction of UnicodeString required a renewed RTL, VCL and IDE. Who should do the same for

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Sven Barth
On 23.12.2012 11:11, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Sven Barth wrote: to remember to mention which RTL they are using when reporting bugs, keeps those two RTL's in sync over time etc. Yeah, it seams you guys are sometimes not to knowledgeable either. All you are going to do

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Sunday 23 December 2012 11:12:42 Leif Ekblad wrote: IMO, I wouldn't support wide-character (UnicodeString) strings for anything new. I don't like to read that. ;-) Martin ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Leif Ekblad wrote: IMO, I wouldn't support wide-character (UnicodeString) strings for anything new. In the beginning the wide-character string had the advantage of being able to represent all characters with 2 bytes, but this is no longer the case. I would switch to UTF-8 instead and keep

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said: OK, so once again it is proven that Unicode is just not sexy enough for the core team, so it will stay stagnant for a few more years. No. Simply getting older. That's unless a member ignores all discussions and does his own thing [or gets paid

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Leif Ekblad said: all characters with 2 bytes, but this is no longer the case. I would switch to UTF-8 instead and keep characters 1 byte long. A switch to UTF-8 only affects a small amount of the code-base, and doesn't break string references. Any solution will need

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 23/12/12 10:13, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: ? No, the old RTL will remain maintained. It's the same codebase, just recompiled. It was impossible to deduce that from your earlier reply http://www.mail-archive.com/fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org/msg27659.html With the new information at

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 23/12/12 10:13, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: ? No, the old RTL will remain maintained. It's the same codebase, just recompiled. It was impossible to deduce that from your earlier reply

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Sven Barth wrote: Did you know that my addition of target NativeNT was published as patch to the bug tracker? Did you know that I wrote patches for the cppclass feature to get it a bit more working than before? It was only the class helpers where I got access to a personal branch in SVN and

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 21 December 2012 13:26:12 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: After that there will be 2 RTLs: 1. The classical RTL, compatible with what you have now. 2. The unicode-string RTL which will use the namespaces of Delphi. Do you know how RTTI will be encoded? Martin

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Sven Barth
On 23.12.2012 16:58, Martin Schreiber wrote: On Friday 21 December 2012 13:26:12 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: After that there will be 2 RTLs: 1. The classical RTL, compatible with what you have now. 2. The unicode-string RTL which will use the namespaces of Delphi. Do you know how RTTI will

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Martin Schreiber wrote: On Friday 21 December 2012 13:26:12 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: After that there will be 2 RTLs: 1. The classical RTL, compatible with what you have now. 2. The unicode-string RTL which will use the namespaces of Delphi. Do you know how RTTI

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Sven Barth
On 23.12.2012 17:01, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Martin Schreiber wrote: On Friday 21 December 2012 13:26:12 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: After that there will be 2 RTLs: 1. The classical RTL, compatible with what you have now. 2. The unicode-string RTL which will use the

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Michael Van Canneyt said: Do you know how RTTI will be encoded? I would guess short/ansistrings, since pascal identifiers must be a subset of ASCII anyway. Not Delphi 2009+ btw, which allow UTF8 identifiers. ___ fpc-devel

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Leif Ekblad schrieb: IMO, I wouldn't support wide-character (UnicodeString) strings for anything new. In the beginning the wide-character string had the advantage of being able to represent all characters with 2 bytes, but this is no longer the case. I would switch to UTF-8 instead and keep

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: Well, let me just say that the idea of two RTL's is rather ridiculous too!! It's not different from Delphi, where the introduction of UnicodeString required a renewed RTL, VCL and IDE. Who should do the same for FPC and Lazarus, and tell the users that they

[fpc-devel] INCLUDESTRINGFILE patch.

2012-12-23 Thread Den
Hi all, I must say, it is actually quite fun to be a part of the FPC Developers mailing list, I don't know why I didn't join sooner. Quite interesting conversations and ideas, a little bit of bickering but very understanding people in general, I like it. I want to add my two cents

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012-12-23 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Sunday 23 December 2012 17:44:53 Marco van de Voort wrote: In our previous episode, Michael Van Canneyt said: Do you know how RTTI will be encoded? I would guess short/ansistrings, since pascal identifiers must be a subset of ASCII anyway. Not Delphi 2009+ btw, which allow UTF8