On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:24:34PM -0700, Edward Elhauge wrote:
OK, vinum is good. But my understanding is that you can't use vinum on
your root partition. By Murphy's Law it always seems to be root that gets
screwed up. And that also causes the biggest problems because then you
have to yank
Warner Losh wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Douglas Swarin writes:
: Ideally, I would use one of the IDE flash-based drives on the market. One
: brand is SanDisk, and they take a standard IDE connector and fit into a
: 3.5" drive bay. You can get them very reasonably priced up to 128MB
partion fail and be left with a
non working server.
Keith Kemp
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On Thu, Sep 21, 2000, Douglas Swarin wrote:
Ideally, I would use one of the IDE flash-based drives on the market. One
brand is SanDisk, and they take a standard IDE connector and fit into a
3.5" drive bay. You can get them very reasonably priced up to 128MB or
so, which is just fine for a
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Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system
* Edward Elhauge [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000920 12:48] wrote:
Hello Freebsders,
I've been
erver.
Keith Kemp
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Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Douglas Swarin writes:
: Ideally, I would use one of the IDE flash-based drives on the market. One
: brand is SanDisk, and they take a standard IDE connector and fit into a
: 3.5" drive bay. You can get them very reasonably priced up to 128MB or
: so, which is just
Whoops, sorry about the previous misfire...
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Edward Elhauge writes:
: to autorecover on bad sectors, but every system that I've had to recover
: seems to be in a state where the bad sectors aren't remapping. I've tried
I've often wanted to write a bad block
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On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 05:44:32PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Douglas Swarin writes:
: Ideally, I would use one of the IDE flash-based drives on the market. One
: brand is SanDisk, and they take a standard IDE connector and fit into a
: 3.5" drive bay. You can get
* Edward Elhauge [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000920 12:48] wrote:
Hello Freebsders,
I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from
NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement.
I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how
to work reliably with
On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:58:27PM -0700, Edward Elhauge wrote:
I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from
NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement.
I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how
to work reliably with them.
I
I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from
NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement.
I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how
to work reliably with them.
"man vinum"
software mirroring == good.
What would be the
I have installed UPS boxes on each machine and that seems to have lowered
the incidence of failure, but failures still happen; yesterday during our
heat wave in the San Francisco area (possible brownouts also) I had
another.
Lots of fans in the cases... I had a fan go out in one of
OK, vinum is good. But my understanding is that you can't use vinum on
your root partition. By Murphy's Law it always seems to be root that gets
screwed up. And that also causes the biggest problems because then you
have to yank the system apart and find another host disk for booting.
Well
On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 04:09:13PM -0400, Marc Tardif wrote:
I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from
NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement.
I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how
to work reliably with them.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Marc Tardif wrote:
: I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from
: NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement.
:
: I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how
: to work reliably with them.
:
: "man vinum"
:
:
If you're willing to go through strange install contortions, you can boot
off of an MFS (Or MD, depending on what version you use ) root filesystem
(copies stored in separate partition, on both disks you are mirroring) and
then have everything else mirrored. Then at least your running system
* Marc Tardif [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000920 13:06] wrote:
I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from
NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement.
I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how
to work reliably with them.
"man
On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:24:34PM -0700, Edward Elhauge wrote:
OK, vinum is good. But my understanding is that you can't use vinum on
your root partition. By Murphy's Law it always seems to be root that gets
screwed up. And that also causes the biggest problems because then you
have to yank
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
* Edward Elhauge [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000920 12:48] wrote:
Hello Freebsders,
I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from
NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement.
I've had about six disk crashes in as many
Keep your disk cool. If you're getting MEDIUM errors, you're disks are getting
toasted.
I'm also in SF, and I plain mostly have been shut down the last two days.
Hello Freebsders,
I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from
NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my
"Edward" == Edward Elhauge [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Edward OK, vinum is good. But my understanding is that you can't
Edward use vinum on your root partition. By Murphy's Law it
Edward always seems to be root that gets screwed up. And that
Edward also causes the biggest problems
On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:48:06PM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
* Bernd Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000920 13:43] wrote:
On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:24:34PM -0700, Edward Elhauge wrote:
OK, vinum is good. But my understanding is that you can't use vinum on
your root partition. By Murphy's
Edward Elhauge writes:
I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from
NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement.
I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how
to work reliably with them.
I have installed UPS boxes on each machine and
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Edward Elhauge writes:
: to autorecover on bad sectors, but every system that I've had to recover
: seems to be in a state where the bad sectors aren't remapping. I've tried
I've often wanted to write a bad block remapper. While SCSI is
supposed to do this
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marc Tardif
writes:
: What would be the incentives to using vinum instead of simply
: concatenating drives in a RAID-1 array (or whatever) using ccd(4)?
RAID-5 now seems to be supported, which lets you take the loss of a
single disk more easily.
Warner
To
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Aleksandr A.Babaylov wrote:
:I work since 1991 with computer hardware and know exact
:that SCSI drives is about ten times less reliability than
:IDE. Yes, I understand that SCSI was more ... extremal may be.
:I am wery glad that now mostly no need in SCSI drives at all.
David Scheidt writes:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Aleksandr A.Babaylov wrote:
:I work since 1991 with computer hardware and know exact
:that SCSI drives is about ten times less reliability than
:IDE. Yes, I understand that SCSI was more ... extremal may be.
:I am wery glad that now mostly no need
Cabling... most of troubles caused by cables for me - it is
reason I do not believe external devices.
Most of IDE breaks was long ago - last about 3 or 4 years ago.
SCSI drives breaks are quite regular - 1 or 2 in at least 5
last years.
this is for about 50 SCSI drives near me and about 3
"Aleksandr A.Babaylov" wrote:
David Scheidt writes:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Aleksandr A.Babaylov wrote:
:I work since 1991 with computer hardware and know exact
:that SCSI drives is about ten times less reliability than
:IDE. Yes, I understand that SCSI was more ... extremal may be.
:I
I've used various Seagate SCSI drives exclusively in all of my boxes and
only had one failure, which I was still able to recover all the data from
before replacing it. The first box I built back in '97 had an UW Seagate in
it that I bought used, and it was very heavily used for 2 years, and I
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Sergey Babkin wrote:
:Plus different manufacturers have different reliability -
:if you use Seagate SCSI disks and someone else's IDE then you most
:certainly will see a lot more SCSI disk failures.
:
:-SB, Seagate Hater
:
I've had almost a thousand Seagates in service for
Sergey Babkin writes:
"Aleksandr A.Babaylov" wrote:
David Scheidt writes:
.
SCSI just works, on everything I've ever used it.I've had a
occaisonal problems with things like termination. High quality
cables and enclosures solve this. I wouldn't let an IDE disk get within
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