Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Bernd. You wrote 12 января 2011 г., 1:03:14: I'm not surprised that it doesn't work with autonegotian if autonegotian is disabled. If Linux does full-duplex without autonegotiation then _they_ do it wrong and Hetzner shouldn't rely on wrong behavour. As far as I understand, Linux

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Pyun. You wrote 12 января 2011 г., 1:45:26: That had been supported for long time. Just remove full-duplex media option in your manual configuration. What do you mean by this? Without this media options it will be 100Mbit half-duplex when switch port want 100Mbit full-duplex. With

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread sthaug
I'm not surprised that it doesn't work with autonegotian if autonegotian is disabled. If Linux does full-duplex without autonegotiation then _they_ do it wrong and Hetzner shouldn't rely on wrong behavour. As far as I understand, Linux does full-duplex without autonegotiation because

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Sthaug. You wrote 12 января 2011 г., 12:14:14: Manual configuration of FD for 100 Mbps is not in violation of the standards. What the standards say (for 100 Mbps) is that *if* you have one end configured for autonegotiation *and* the other end is manually configured for full duplex,

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:47:29PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: media: Ethernet 100baseTX full-duplex (100baseTX half-duplex) I can see what's going on here. Link partner used forced media configuration, probably 100baseTX/full-duplex, and

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Pyun YongHyeon
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:03:03PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: Hello, Pyun. You wrote 12 января 2011 г., 1:45:26: That had been supported for long time. Just remove full-duplex media option in your manual configuration. What do you mean by this? Without this media options it will be

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Pyun YongHyeon
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:36:09AM +, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:47:29PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: media: Ethernet 100baseTX full-duplex (100baseTX half-duplex) I can see what's going on here. Link partner used

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Pyun. You wrote 12 января 2011 г., 20:32:42: That had been supported for long time. Just remove full-duplex media option in your manual configuration. What do you mean by this? Without this media options it will be 100Mbit half-duplex when switch port want 100Mbit full-duplex.

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Pyun YongHyeon
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 08:56:19PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: Hello, Pyun. You wrote 12 января 2011 г., 20:32:42: That had been supported for long time. Just remove full-duplex media option in your manual configuration. What do you mean by this? Without this media options it

Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Freebsd-net. Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when switches' ports are limited to 100Mbit (1Gbit connection costs additional money)

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Yamagi Burmeister
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Lev Serebryakov wrote: Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when switches' ports are limited to 100Mbit (1Gbit connection

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Yamagi. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 13:30:23: Hi, I've got several Hetzner EQ4 and on all these machines FreeBSD 8.1 runs just fine. I've never seen this strange negotiation problem myself. But maybe I was just lucky and got working mainboard and nic combinations. So if further

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Yamagi Burmeister wrote: Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when switches' ports are limited to 100Mbit (1Gbit connection

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Yamagi Burmeister
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: I've got several Hetzner EQ4 and on all these machines FreeBSD 8.1 runs just fine. I've never seen this strange negotiation problem myself. But maybe I was just lucky and got working mainboard and nic combinations. So if further information is needed,

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Brian Reichert
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:47:29PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: Hello, Freebsd-net. Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when switches'

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Brian. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 19:38:25: Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when switches' ports are limited to 100Mbit

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Brian. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 22:29:13: basic mode: 100 Mbit, full duplex link partner: 100baseTx-HD It looks VERY strange. How could id be? -- // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov l...@serebryakov.spb.ru ___

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Artyom Viklenko
11.01.2011 21:29, Lev Serebryakov пишет: Hello, Brian. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 19:38:25: Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Marius. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 22:36:44: I've discussed this problem in local (Russian-speaking) FreeBSD community, and there are several people in DC 13 who HAVE these problems and found different solutions, but all non-technical ones: order gigabit connectivity, or pay for

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Artyom Viklenko wrote: 11.01.2011 21:29, Lev Serebryakov ?: r...@rescue ~ # mii-tool -v eth0 eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok product info: vendor 00:07:32, model 17 rev 2 basic mode: 100 Mbit, full duplex basic status: link ok capabilities:

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Artyom. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 22:39:33: link partner: 100baseTx-HD ^ Looks very strange for me... 'HD' means half-duplex? Yep, I've noticed that too... May be linux driver defaults to full-duplex if autoneg fails?.. Or disabled... And it

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Artyom Viklenko
11.01.2011 21:48, Bjoern A. Zeeb пишет: On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Artyom Viklenko wrote: 11.01.2011 21:29, Lev Serebryakov ?: r...@rescue ~ # mii-tool -v eth0 eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok product info: vendor 00:07:32, model 17 rev 2 basic mode: 100 Mbit, full duplex basic status:

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Brian Reichert
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 09:39:33PM +0200, Artyom Viklenko wrote: 11.01.2011 21:29, Lev Serebryakov ?: Looks very strange for me... 'HD' means half-duplex? May be linux driver defaults to full-duplex if autoneg fails?.. I've seen some Linux drivers fail back to half-duplex under these

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Pyun YongHyeon
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:47:29PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: Hello, Freebsd-net. Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when switches'

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Artyom Viklenko wrote: 11.01.2011 21:48, Bjoern A. Zeeb : On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Artyom Viklenko wrote: 11.01.2011 21:29, Lev Serebryakov ?: r...@rescue ~ # mii-tool -v eth0 eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok product info: vendor 00:07:32, model 17 rev 2 basic

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Marius Strobl
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 01:53:30PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: Hello, Yamagi. You wrote 11 ?? 2011 ?., 13:30:23: Hi, I've got several Hetzner EQ4 and on all these machines FreeBSD 8.1 runs just fine. I've never seen this strange negotiation problem myself. But maybe I was just

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Artyom. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 22:57:17: Is it possible to see status from corresponding port on Juniper switch? Config part for this port on the switch would be also very interesting. I (as customer with server which has problem) could ask techsupport tomorrow. But, maybe, they

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Pyun. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 23:00:07: rgephy(4) currently always use auto-negotiation to work-around link establishment issues reported in past. I think, it is the root of the problem. Autonegotiation is DISABLED on these ports. I think, some additional mediaopt (like

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Bernd Walter
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:50:49PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: Hello, Artyom. You wrote 11 ?? 2011 ?., 22:39:33: link partner: 100baseTx-HD ^ Looks very strange for me... 'HD' means half-duplex? Yep, I've noticed that too... May be linux

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Bernd Walter
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:37:31PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: Hello, Brian. You wrote 11 ?? 2011 ?., 22:29:13: basic mode: 100 Mbit, full duplex link partner: 100baseTx-HD It looks VERY strange. How could id be? This is normal if the link partner doesn't do

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Pyun YongHyeon
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:31:10AM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: Hello, Pyun. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 23:00:07: rgephy(4) currently always use auto-negotiation to work-around link establishment issues reported in past. I think, it is the root of the problem. Autonegotiation is

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread sthaug
May be linux driver defaults to full-duplex if autoneg fails?.. I've seen some Linux drivers fail back to half-duplex under these circumstances. It may very well depend on driver version and hardware (firmware)? I admit, I don't know what layer is responsible for handling