Re: Resurrecting games/wmfortune (Was: Re: misc/jive deleted)

> Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > FYI in case newer than yours, Fonz, I have > > MD5 (9.2-RELEASE/wmfortune-0.241.tar.gz) =3D fa8db5d9a46d9afe7757f498c7= > 81e8c9 > > SHA256 (9.2-RELEASE/wmfortune-0.241.tar.gz) =3D b149067b7e3521f7e03354b= > 12754baaf9c5556af4d286bbd6d169b1db9f6dba0 > >=20 > >

Re: Resurrecting games/wmfortune (Was: Re: misc/jive deleted)

Julian H. Stacey wrote: > FYI in case newer than yours, Fonz, I have > MD5 (9.2-RELEASE/wmfortune-0.241.tar.gz) = fa8db5d9a46d9afe7757f498c781e8c9 > SHA256 (9.2-RELEASE/wmfortune-0.241.tar.gz) = > b149067b7e3521f7e03354b12754baaf9c5556af4d286bbd6d169b1db9f6dba0 > > It builds & run on my

Re: Resurrecting games/wmfortune (Was: Re: misc/jive deleted)

Hi, Reference: > From: Alphons van Werven > Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:37:52 +0200 Alphons van Werven wrote: > Dave Horsfall wrote: > > >> There used to be "offensive" (a term to be taken rather loosely in this= > =20 > >> case) fortune cookies, but they got

Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

On 10/26/16 03:56, David Demelier wrote: On 10/26/2016 09:32 AM, Kurt Jaeger wrote: Hi! I think unless FreeBSD makes explicit antichrist statement, there is no problem having a daemon mascot. I have never heard any religious problem so far. Or then I missed something. Approx. 20 years ago

Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

On 10/26/2016 09:32 AM, Kurt Jaeger wrote: Hi! I think unless FreeBSD makes explicit antichrist statement, there is no problem having a daemon mascot. I have never heard any religious problem so far. Or then I missed something. Approx. 20 years ago (?), some FreeBSD developer with a old-style

Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 09:32:55 +0200 Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > > > I think unless FreeBSD makes explicit antichrist statement, there is > > no problem having a daemon mascot. I have never heard any religious > > problem so far. Or then I missed something. > > Approx. 20 years

Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

Hi! > I think unless FreeBSD makes explicit antichrist statement, there is > no problem having a daemon mascot. I have never heard any religious > problem so far. Or then I missed something. Approx. 20 years ago (?), some FreeBSD developer with a old-style logo on a t-shirt was asked to leave

Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

2016-10-25 22:57 GMT+02:00 Dave Horsfall : > Have you seen the FreeBSD home page? Well, I thought the OP was talking about the logo [0], not the home web page. Anyway, I think comparing religious and offensive content a bit offtopic. I think unless FreeBSD makes explicit

Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

On Tue, 25 Oct 2016, David Demelier wrote: > I'm a bit surprised to see so much traffic about the jive removal. I'm not :-) > I personally don't care about offensive software, users are free to not > use it (sudo may have funny insults, disabled by default though). > Perhaps marking it broken

Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

> can anyone in > this thread explain why misc/jive is considered offensive and removed I'd like to extend the question: is there a new policy about "offensive" ports not being allowed in the ports tree any longer? If so, could someone point me to it? If not, then, well, I don't know what to

Re: Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

2016-10-24 20:21 GMT+02:00 Dave Hayes : > On 10/23/2016 19:10, Kurt Jaeger wrote: >> >> In a mail thread about jive that finding is very mature 8-} > > > Speaking of maturity and attempting to add consistency, can anyone in this > thread explain why misc/jive is considered

Inconsistency? (was Re: misc/jive deleted)

On 10/23/2016 19:10, Kurt Jaeger wrote: In a mail thread about jive that finding is very mature 8-} Speaking of maturity and attempting to add consistency, can anyone in this thread explain why misc/jive is considered offensive and removed, but the FreeBSD daemon logo (on the main web page)

Re: misc/jive deleted

On 24/10/2016 17:11, Mikhail T. wrote: > Now that we are done with the hairsplitting, and I shall put the port > back as soon as I have a moment -- unless someone else beats me to it. > > I'd also like to ask portmgr@ to avoid taking such steps in the future > -- inventing a policy in order to

Re: misc/jive deleted

On 24.10.2016 11:51, Mark Linimon wrote: Or: - expired, replaced by newer version - unfetchable - license does not allow anyone to package it - author requested(*) removal I have personally removed ports fitting each of these criteria at various times. I am sure I am missing some

Re: misc/jive deleted

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 03:56:07PM -0400, Mikhail T. wrote: > Technically, the only reason to remove a port is due to a failure to > build -- and that hasn't happened. Or: - expired, replaced by newer version - unfetchable - license does not allow anyone to package it - author requested(*)

Re: misc/jive deleted

On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 01:59:17 +1100 (EST) Dave Horsfall wrote: > Next thing you know, "valgirl" will be deleted from Usenet... Let's not forget about Corporate Bullshit Generator! http://cbsg.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/live Those poor C-suites must feel offended by such mockery!

Re: misc/jive deleted

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 09:54:56AM +0200, Torsten Zuehlsdorff wrote: > On 24.10.2016 09:16, Greg Byshenk wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 01:05:52AM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > >> "Common decency" is disputable even in within USA; Europe is less > >> infested with USA style prissy

Re: misc/jive deleted

On 24.10.2016 09:16, Greg Byshenk wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 01:05:52AM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Mark Linimon wrote: It's not delusions of moral superiority. It's common decency. "Common decency" is disputable even in within USA; Europe is less infested with USA style prissy

Re: misc/jive deleted

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 01:05:52AM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Mark Linimon wrote: > > It's not delusions of moral superiority. It's common decency. > "Common decency" is disputable even in within USA; Europe is less > infested with USA style prissy "political correctness", & other >

Re: misc/jive deleted

> Why can't we accept that a program which may be well over 30 years old, > hasn't seen any update since 20 years, is more or less lost since some > time and has no technical value (it's just some parody of a text filter) > can be removed from the tree? Anyone who needs this port can install it >

Re: misc/jive deleted

Hi! > > that makes them look like a bunch of out-of-touch clueless old white > > guys; > > Inflamatory language degrades, Mature language builds. In a mail thread about jive that finding is very mature 8-} -- p...@opsec.eu+49 171 3101372 4 years to go !

Re: misc/jive deleted

Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 01:31:04PM +0200, Alphons van Werven wrote: > > I'm still half waiting for someone with misguided delusions of moral > > superiority to delete that port, thinking it's their decision to make > > that FreeBSD must not enable people to display their

Re: misc/jive deleted

## Mikhail T. (mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com): > > It's not delusions of moral superiority. It's common decency. > If it was "decent" in 1997, when obrien added it, it must still be > decent today, only 19 years later. Nothing has changed about "decency" > since then. Oh, it has changed. And it

Re: misc/jive deleted

On 22.10.2016 Mark Linimon wrote: It's not delusions of moral superiority. It's common decency. If it was "decent" in 1997, when obrien added it, it must still be decent today, only 19 years later. Nothing has changed about "decency" since then. juvenile junk that makes them look like a

Re: misc/jive deleted

[Default] On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 20:30:05 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: >El día Sunday, October 23, 2016 a las 02:13:12PM -0400, scratch65...@att.net >escribió: > >> I've to disagree, Matthias. Technical people refusing to be >> part of the social world make themselves the tools

Re: misc/jive deleted

El día Sunday, October 23, 2016 a las 02:13:12PM -0400, scratch65...@att.net escribió: > I've to disagree, Matthias. Technical people refusing to be > part of the social world make themselves the tools of > psychopaths. Then we have, as the mordant joke goes, the program > nuke_germany being

Re: misc/jive deleted

I've to disagree, Matthias. Technical people refusing to be part of the social world make themselves the tools of psychopaths. Then we have, as the mordant joke goes, the program nuke_germany being objected to not on humanitarian grounds, but because the program should be nuke_country with the

Resurrecting games/wmfortune (Was: Re: misc/jive deleted)

Dave Horsfall wrote: >> There used to be "offensive" (a term to be taken rather loosely in this >> case) fortune cookies, but they got kicked out somewhere in 9.X. That >> was the base system though; not the ports tree. > > Not to mention "fortune -o" (to get the obscene versions) and there

Re: misc/jive deleted

I think, we should end this thread. The port was removed, sure with good reasons. If someone wants to use it. he can pull out from svn the old port and continue with it to maintain. matthias -- Sent from my Ubuntu phone http://www.unixarea.de/

Re: misc/jive deleted

Hi! > Is this -- being more inclusive (whatever that means) -- > even a valid goal for a technical project? That depends on those working on the project. If they wonder why systems programming is so one-sided when it cames to age, gender, race, etc, then: yes, it becomes a goal. Please

Re: misc/jive deleted

Hi! > Who exactly was offended by the existence of misc/jive in ports? Were > there any actual complaints? How many? One, in August. portmgr had a look at the port and decided on the removal. -- p...@opsec.eu+49 171 3101372 4 years to go !

Re: misc/jive deleted

Hi, Who exactly was offended by the existence of misc/jive in ports? Were there any actual complaints? How many? Regards, -- Before enlightenment - chop wood, draw water. After enlightenment - chop wood, draw water. Marko Cupać https://www.mimar.rs/

Re: misc/jive deleted

Mark Linimon wrote: >>> >> >> Answering opposition/criticism with violence isn't exactly my style. > > If you say something that makes me want to plow my face into my hands, > that's violence? I stand corrected. Something got lost in translation there. Fonz -- A.J. "Fonz" van Werven

Re: misc/jive deleted

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 02:44:11AM +0200, Alphons van Werven wrote: > > > > Answering opposition/criticism with violence isn't exactly my style. So. If you say something that makes me want to plow my face into my hands, that's violence? Wow. mcl

Re: misc/jive deleted

On Sat, 22 Oct 2016, Alphons van Werven wrote: > There used to be "offensive" (a term to be taken rather loosely in this > case) fortune cookies, but they got kicked out somewhere in 9.X. That > was the base system though; not the ports tree. Not to mention "fortune -o" (to get the obscene

Re: misc/jive deleted

Mark Linimon wrote: > Answering opposition/criticism with violence isn't exactly my style. I tend to take it as an indication that one has run out of rational arguments. Moreover, I think you'll find that the word you're looking for is . > It's not delusions of moral superiority. It's common

Re: Re: misc/jive deleted

On 22.10.2016 05:27, Mark Linimon wrote: disclaimer: I wasn't the person who made the decision. You are too humble, Mark. Whoever actually did it, would not have gone ahead if you objected. The "pro" removal points: some of these terms are no longer acceptable in polite society, and far

Re: misc/jive deleted

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 05:46:15PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Censorship is offensive. Censor the offensive Censor: remove his/her commit > bit. IIUC correctly you will be removing more than one commit bit, but again, I cannot speak for those who made the decision. "Free Speech" means

Re: misc/jive deleted

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 01:31:04PM +0200, Alphons van Werven wrote: > I'm still half waiting for someone with misguided delusions of moral > superiority to delete that port, thinking it's their decision to make > that FreeBSD must not enable people to display their system load as a > cartoon woman

Re: misc/jive deleted

Grzegorz Junka wrote: > Could you maybe have a separate category in ports, called "uncensored" or > something? We are all adults and can take care of ourselves, can't we? If memory serves me well, that has been suggested before and there were reasons (which I don't remember) for not doing that.

Re: misc/jive deleted

Grzegorz Junka wrote: > > On 22/10/2016 11:31, Alphons van Werven wrote: > > andrew clarke wrote: > > > >> Is this the first time a port has been deleted for being "offensive"? > > There used to be "offensive" (a term to be taken rather loosely in this > > case) fortune cookies, but they got

Re: misc/jive deleted

On Sat, 22 Oct 2016, andrew clarke wrote: > At the risk of this developing into a flame war, I thought this was > curious: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-ports-head/2016-August/126687.html > > Is this the first time a port has been deleted for being "offensive"? "man jive | jive"

Re: misc/jive deleted

On 22/10/2016 11:31, Alphons van Werven wrote: andrew clarke wrote: Is this the first time a port has been deleted for being "offensive"? There used to be "offensive" (a term to be taken rather loosely in this case) fortune cookies, but they got kicked out somewhere in 9.X. That was the base

Re: misc/jive deleted

andrew clarke wrote: > Is this the first time a port has been deleted for being "offensive"? There used to be "offensive" (a term to be taken rather loosely in this case) fortune cookies, but they got kicked out somewhere in 9.X. That was the base system though; not the ports tree. Come to

Re: misc/jive deleted

disclaimer: I wasn't the person who made the decision. This change became contentious after it was made; however, that discussion only occurred on internal mailing lists. The "pro" removal points: some of these terms are no longer acceptable in polite society, and far cross the line from humor

Re: misc/jive deleted

On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 13:45:10 +1100 andrew clarke wrote: > At the risk of this developing into a flame war, I thought this was > curious: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-ports-head/2016-August/126687.html > > Is this the first time a port has been deleted for