Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-24 Thread Robert Watson
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, Mike Tancsa wrote: At 12:00 AM 24/07/2005, Karl Denninger wrote: Finally, any pointers on a 2 port PCI SATA board that (1) is KNOWN to work, (2) has EXTERNAL SATA connections, and (3) isn't one of those whiz-bang all-in-one-RAID thingies that costs $500? 3ware makes an

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-24 Thread Robert Watson
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, Karl Denninger wrote: PR being filed now. When you've filed the PR and get a PR# receipt back, please forward me the PR# receipt. FYI, your spam filter thinks every message I send you as spam. It's not impossible it might think the same of the GNATS source address,

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-24 Thread Karl Denninger
Those cards all have (and appear to require) PCI-64 (double-connector) bus plug-ins. For those of us with single PCI bus slots (e.g. those of us who don't have Opterons), that simply won't work unless I'm missing something. -- -- Karl Denninger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Internet Consultant Kids

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-24 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jul 24, 2005 at 03:04:09PM +0100, Robert Watson wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, Karl Denninger wrote: PR being filed now. When you've filed the PR and get a PR# receipt back, please forward me the PR# receipt. FYI, your spam filter thinks every message I send you as spam. It's

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-24 Thread Mike Tancsa
At 10:20 AM 24/07/2005, Karl Denninger wrote: Those cards all have (and appear to require) PCI-64 (double-connector) bus plug-ins. For those of us with single PCI bus slots (e.g. those of us who don't have Opterons), that simply won't work unless I'm missing something. I have used the 3ware

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-24 Thread Karl Denninger
Update - it appears that as long as I only use ONE of the two channels on the card, it works ok. I've got a buildworld running right now on the Sandbox, but with only one of the two disks attached. So far, no errors. So it would appear that the problem IS related to the previously-reported

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-24 Thread Vinny Abello
3Ware cards will work with 32 bit PCI buses. At 10:20 AM 7/24/2005, Karl Denninger wrote: Those cards all have (and appear to require) PCI-64 (double-connector) bus plug-ins. For those of us with single PCI bus slots (e.g. those of us who don't have Opterons), that simply won't work unless I'm

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-24 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 11:00:55PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: On Sun, Jul 24, 2005 at 05:43:34AM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 09:01:36PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: Done. Note that the Bustek and Adaptec cards which exhibit the problem BOTH identify the

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-24 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jul 24, 2005 at 07:58:20PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 11:00:55PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: Should not there be an EXPLICIT note in the release notes for hardware that this chipset WILL NOT WORK PROPERLY? It does seem to work for many users, or there would

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-24 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jul 24, 2005 at 07:58:20PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: Most likely the bug you have run into is difficult or impossible to reproduce on other hardware than the particular combination you are using. FWIW my earlier post about it appearing to work with only one disk on the chain was

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-24 Thread Mike Tancsa
At 02:13 PM 24/07/2005, Karl Denninger wrote: On Sun, Jul 24, 2005 at 07:58:20PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: Most likely the bug you have run into is difficult or impossible to reproduce on other hardware than the particular combination you are using. FWIW my earlier post about it appearing

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-23 Thread Robert Watson
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Danny Howard wrote: While I agree with Karl that introducing instability is a very bad thing, I guess we now have an answer to Karl's vexation yesterday: [ http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2005-July/017210.html ] What I don't understand Robert is

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-23 Thread Robert Watson
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Karl Denninger wrote: It is definitely NOT fixed in 6.0-BETA1 Within SECONDS of starting a buildworld after the provider rebuild completed, I got this... Could you file a PR based on this report? Specifically, if you could include: - The error output below. - If

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-23 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 08:53:02PM +0100, Robert Watson wrote: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Danny Howard wrote: While I agree with Karl that introducing instability is a very bad thing, I guess we now have an answer to Karl's vexation yesterday: [

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-23 Thread Karl Denninger
Done. Note that the Bustek and Adaptec cards which exhibit the problem BOTH identify the same (on two different machines) as SII 3112 boards, and BOTH fail. There are minor differences in the interrupts and memory mapping used (which is to be expected, as there are peripherals in the production

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-23 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 09:01:36PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: Done. Note that the Bustek and Adaptec cards which exhibit the problem BOTH identify the same (on two different machines) as SII 3112 boards, and BOTH fail. There are minor differences in the interrupts and memory mapping

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-23 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jul 24, 2005 at 05:43:34AM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 09:01:36PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: Done. Note that the Bustek and Adaptec cards which exhibit the problem BOTH identify the same (on two different machines) as SII 3112 boards, and BOTH fail.

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-23 Thread Mike Tancsa
At 12:00 AM 24/07/2005, Karl Denninger wrote: Finally, any pointers on a 2 port PCI SATA board that (1) is KNOWN to work, (2) has EXTERNAL SATA connections, and (3) isn't one of those whiz-bang all-in-one-RAID thingies that costs $500? 3ware makes an excellent 2 port SATA card (8000 series)

make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD)

2005-07-22 Thread Angelo Turetta
Karl Denninger wrote: As I pointed out in my PR, make -j4 buildworld is more than sufficient to demonstrate the problem. ( ... ) I'll pull over 6.0-BETA1, rebuild the array (that is the time-consuming part of this test - takes 6-8 hours for the rebuild to run) and see if it fails during a

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-22 Thread Karl Denninger
It is definitely NOT fixed in 6.0-BETA1 Within SECONDS of starting a buildworld after the provider rebuild completed, I got this... GEOM_MIRROR: Device boot: provider ad4s1 detected. GEOM_MIRROR: Device boot: rebuilding provider ad4s1. GEOM_MIRROR: Device boot: provider ad6s1 detected.

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-22 Thread Karl Denninger
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 02:40:09PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: It is definitely NOT fixed in 6.0-BETA1 Within SECONDS of starting a buildworld after the provider rebuild completed, I got this... GEOM_MIRROR: Device boot: provider ad4s1 detected. GEOM_MIRROR: Device boot: rebuilding

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-22 Thread Danny Howard
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 02:53:57PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: [...] Note carefully from this that there is NO ERROR INDICATION AS TO WHY THE DISK DETACHED! At least with the 5.x problems you'd SEE an error before it went BOOM. This time around, nope - just death. What's worse, the

Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!]

2005-07-22 Thread Karl Denninger
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:53:00PM -0700, Danny Howard wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 02:53:57PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: [...] Note carefully from this that there is NO ERROR INDICATION AS TO WHY THE DISK DETACHED! At least with the 5.x problems you'd SEE an error before it went