Practically missing cpio(1L) man page since Oct 22 2006

2006-12-21 Thread Parv
A few minutes ago I was extracting information about mass copying with pax(1) cpio(1L) on 6.2-PRERELEASE. I got information from pax(1) man page, but i found cpio(1L) man page to be rather lacking. (Yeah, I saw the pointer to info.) Is it possible to have a genuine cpio(1L) 2.6 man page

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Mark Kirkwood
JoaoBR wrote: I am not convinced that this kind of test is of any value for comparing systems at all because there are too much factors involved - unless the competitors are installed on identical hardware. On the other side I think it is usefull to compare tweaked settings on a particular

Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support

2006-12-21 Thread Colin Percival
John Smith wrote: Support for FreeBSD 4.11 is going to end sometime in late January. Originally, FreeBSD 6.2 was supposed to be released back in October. This would have given everyone about 3 months to stress test everything and migrate all their boxes from 4.11 direct to 6.2. You've had

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Pieter de Goeje wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 11:38, Mark Kirkwood wrote: In fact if you note that the PIII HW *can* actually do 700MB/s, it suggests that your HW is capable of considerably more than 900MB/s - given that opteron's have excellent cpu to memory bandwidth, and the speed of

DDB and -stable: show threads loops output with no end?

2006-12-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is it supposed to go on into infiniti? 102115 (0xff015f88a260) sched_switch() at sched_switch+0x11f 100979 (0xff0147d79000) sched_switch() at sched_switch+0x11f 100757 (0xff002f189260) sched_switch() at sched_switch+0x11f

Re: negative runtime etc., the story continues

2006-12-21 Thread Yar Tikhiy
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 11:49:43PM +0100, V??clav Haisman wrote: Hi, I wrote about how FreeBSD 6.1 RC1, with latest RELENG_6 kernel, prints loads of calcru: runtime went backwards... and calcru: negative runtime... messages when the FreeBSD runs as virtual server under Microsoft Virtual

Re: Practically missing cpio(1L) man page since Oct 22 2006

2006-12-21 Thread LI Xin
The point of MFC'ing cpio(1) changes is that it has fixed some old bugs that can potentially damage user data. Personally I'd rather replace it with the BSD pax(1) found in the base system, if we had a proper GNU cpio(1) test suite to make sure that we did not break something. It might be

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread JoaoBR
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 07:38, Mark Kirkwood wrote: I was however trying to point out that as your machine is different from mine (opteron and ddr*400* as opposed to PIII and pc133), the fact that it is faster is not telling us anything about whether releng_6 performance on cached file

Re: Acer Aspire 5102 WLMi with Turion 64 X2 dual-core TL-50 1.6 GHz on FreeBSD 6.2 ACPI problems

2006-12-21 Thread Scot Hetzel
On 12/20/06, Abdullah Al-Marrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, I have problem with my new laptop Acer Aspire 5102 WLMi which has AMD Turion™ 64 X2 dual-core TL-50 1.6 GHz with 1.5 GB of ram. I'm running i386 6.2-RC1 upgraded to 6.2-PRELEASE via RELENG6 tag since I don't have more than 4

Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support

2006-12-21 Thread Mark Linimon
Community support will continue on the freebsd-eol mailing list, fwiw. However, note that we have dropped the requirement for ports maintainers to make their ports work on 4.X, although many continue to do so. It is simply too much for the ports team to support 3 major branches and one

Re:resolved: if_sf problem, no i/o traffic

2006-12-21 Thread JoaoBR
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 12:19, JoaoBR wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 10:42, JoaoBR wrote: seems to be something wrong with the sf driver I have starfire 64bit cards (adaptec 1 and two port) on amd64 releng_6 the card is probed, recognize correctly the connection but no traffic

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Oliver Fromme
Mark Kirkwood wrote: Exactly, that's why I did the comparison - I think you missed the part where I mentioned the 2 systems were *identical* with respect to cpus, memory, mobo - in fact even the power supplies are identical too! So I assume your benchmark measured the performance of the

Re: Acer Aspire 5102 WLMi with Turion 64 X2 dual-core TL-50 1.6 GHz on FreeBSD 6.2 ACPI problems

2006-12-21 Thread Patrick Bowen
Abdullah Al-Marrie wrote: [snip]... 1. The FreeBSD can't detect the builtin wlan chip which is Broadcom BCM 4318 Rev 2. [snip]... Have you tried using ndisgen(8) and the Windows bcmwl5.[sys,inf] files to create the module bcmwl5_sys.ko? I have a Gateway with the Broadcom 4318, and that

Re: (Seemingly) Spontaneous rebooting

2006-12-21 Thread Ma
It is really a bug. But in my case it seems to be the hardware problem after serval days fight with this crash. The old server even crashes before booting to the login prompt. :( I have to changes to another server now. 2006/12/20, Martin Blapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Maybe you are

Block IP

2006-12-21 Thread Suhail Choudhury
Hi all, I'm using IPFW as my firewall. What's the easiest way to add an IP such as 80.192.49.213 to block it? Also how do I block out IPs after a certain number of invalid login attempts to prevent brute forcing? -- Regards, Suhail. ___

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Mark Kirkwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: JoaoBR wrote: I am not convinced that this kind of test is of any value for comparing systems at all because there are too much factors involved - unless the competitors are installed on identical hardware. On the other side I think it

Re: Block IP

2006-12-21 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Suhail Choudhury [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, I'm using IPFW as my firewall. What's the easiest way to add an IP such as 80.192.49.213 to block it? ipfw add deny all from 80.192.49.213 to me Although you need to take into consideration your existing IPFW rules, as this will

Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support

2006-12-21 Thread Heinrich Rebehn
Colin Percival wrote: John Smith wrote: Support for FreeBSD 4.11 is going to end sometime in late January. Originally, FreeBSD 6.2 was supposed to be released back in October. This would have given everyone about 3 months to stress test everything and migrate all their boxes from 4.11 direct

Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support

2006-12-21 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Heinrich Rebehn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Colin Percival wrote: John Smith wrote: Support for FreeBSD 4.11 is going to end sometime in late January. Originally, FreeBSD 6.2 was supposed to be released back in October. This would have given everyone about 3 months to stress test

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Mark Kirkwood
A few more tests with a slightly improved version of the program (attached): We (i.e FreeBSD) do noticeably better with bigger block sizes. Cheers Mark Gentoo - 2.6.18-gentoo-r3: --- $ ./readtest /data0/dump/file 8192 0 random reads: 10 of: 8192 bytes elapsed: 1.2698s

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Mark Kirkwood wrote: Pieter de Goeje wrote: It would be more interesting to see how random access to a (cached) file performs in Linux vs FreeBSD, which seems a more logical pattern for a database. Agreed, and good point, I'll knock up a simple program to do random and/or sequential

Re: Block IP

2006-12-21 Thread Oliver Fromme
Suhail Choudhury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the easiest way to add an IP such as 80.192.49.213 to block it? Easy: # ipfw add deny ip from 80.192.49.213 to me Depending on your existing rules, you might have to specify a rule number, so the new rule is inserted at an appropriate position.

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Pieter de Goeje
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 22:20, Mark Kirkwood wrote: Pieter de Goeje wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 11:38, Mark Kirkwood wrote: In fact if you note that the PIII HW *can* actually do 700MB/s, it suggests that your HW is capable of considerably more than 900MB/s - given that

Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support

2006-12-21 Thread Vivek Khera
On Dec 21, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Colin Percival wrote: Now it is near the end of December, and FreeBSD 6.2 RC2 has yet to be seen anywhere. Chances are that FreeBSD 6.2 Release will come out earliest mid-January. This does not give much time for people to migrate to the newest FreeBSD

Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support

2006-12-21 Thread Doug Barton
John Smith wrote: Support for FreeBSD 4.11 is going to end sometime in late January. Originally, FreeBSD 6.2 was supposed to be released back in October. This would have given everyone about 3 months to stress test everything and migrate all their boxes from 4.11 direct to 6.2. Now it is

Re: Adaptec 2100, asr driver

2006-12-21 Thread Tim Zingelman
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote: This kind of information (ie. options ASR_COMPAT) would be good to add to the pkg_message for ports like this ... same thing trip'd me up the other day, and someone let me know about it ... and here's a patch... I guess I should send-pr it too...

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Oliver Fromme
Pieter de Goeje wrote: Mark Kirkwood wrote: Pieter de Goeje wrote: Copying /dev/zero to /dev/null yields more than 5GB/sec on a simple 2Ghz Athlon64. It imagine there are quite a few extra things done when copying On second thought, this is wrong because /dev/zero isn't a real

Error with cli32 ARECA RAID command line tool.

2006-12-21 Thread Nikolay Pavlov
Hello, folks. I am not sure where to go with this, but i have an error trying to execute ARECA RAID command line tool with PAE kernel with GENERIC kernel everything is allright: Fatal error 'Cannot allocate red zone for initial thread' at line ? in file

Re: Acer Aspire WLMi 5102 with AMD Turion 64 X2 system hanging with powerd on 6.2-RC1 and 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Scot Hetzel
On 12/20/06, Abdullah Al-Marrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, I have problem with my laptop Acer Aspire 5102 WLMi which has AMD Turion™ 64 X2 dual-core TL-50 1.6 GHz with 1.5 GB of ram. I'm running i386 6.2-RC1 upgraded to 6.2-PRELEASE via RELENG6 tag since I don't have more than 4 GB

burncd 'blank' not terminating ?

2006-12-21 Thread Luigi Rizzo
just noticed, after upgrading to 6.2RC1, that luigi# burncd -f /dev/acd0 -v blank blanking CD, please wait.. stays there forever. Eventually i gave up and ctrl-C and the application terminates, and i was able to write to the disk a valid image, which probably means that the disk

Re: Error with cli32 ARECA RAID command line tool.

2006-12-21 Thread Rink Springer
Hi Nikolay, On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 07:27:06PM +0200, Nikolay Pavlov wrote: Hello, folks. I am not sure where to go with this, but i have an error trying to execute ARECA RAID command line tool with PAE kernel with GENERIC kernel everything is allright: Fatal error 'Cannot allocate red

Re: Error with cli32 ARECA RAID command line tool.

2006-12-21 Thread Nikolay Pavlov
On Thursday, 21 December 2006 at 19:45:33 +0200, Nikolay Pavlov wrote: On Thursday, 21 December 2006 at 18:33:26 +0100, Rink Springer wrote: Hi Nikolay, On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 07:27:06PM +0200, Nikolay Pavlov wrote: Hello, folks. I am not sure where to go with this, but i have an error

Re: Error with cli32 ARECA RAID command line tool.

2006-12-21 Thread Nikolay Pavlov
On Thursday, 21 December 2006 at 18:33:26 +0100, Rink Springer wrote: Hi Nikolay, On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 07:27:06PM +0200, Nikolay Pavlov wrote: Hello, folks. I am not sure where to go with this, but i have an error trying to execute ARECA RAID command line tool with PAE kernel with

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Pieter de Goeje wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 11:38, Mark Kirkwood wrote: In fact if you note that the PIII HW *can* actually do 700MB/s, it suggests that your HW is capable of considerably more than 900MB/s - given that opteron's have excellent cpu to memory bandwidth, and the speed of

Re: ntpd flipping between PLL and FLL mode

2006-12-21 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 12:51:43PM -0500, Michael Proto wrote: I made the change some time ago after combing newsgroups for this issue, so my memory is a little hazy, but I seem to remember something about the FLL/PLL switch being right at about 1024s. Check the Tuning section here:

Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support

2006-12-21 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Michael R. Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Private reply. Not interested in trolling or becoming a troll... On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 09:58:11AM -0500, Bill Moran wrote: Are the people making this argument unaware that 6.1 and 5.5 have been at release status for quite some time,

Re: Error with cli32 ARECA RAID command line tool.

2006-12-21 Thread Clayton Milos
I have an Areca card and the utility works 100% for me on 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, 6.1 and 6.2-BETA2 so I'm pretty sure it's a PAE issue. -Clay - Original Message - From: Rink Springer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nikolay Pavlov [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Thu, 2006-Dec-21 23:22:38 +1300, Mark Kirkwood wrote: Pieter de Goeje wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 11:38, Mark Kirkwood wrote: In fact if you note that the PIII HW *can* actually do 700MB/s, it suggests that your HW is capable of considerably more than 900MB/s - given that opteron's

Duplicate IPFW rules

2006-12-21 Thread Václav Haisman
Hi, I have just noticed that ipfw list shows one rule twice. It could be that I have run a script that adds it twice: shell::root:~ ipfw list 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 00300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any 01999 deny ip from table(1) to any 01999

Re: Block IP

2006-12-21 Thread Andrei Kolu
On Thursday, 21. December 2006 17:33, Oliver Fromme wrote: Suhail Choudhury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the easiest way to add an IP such as 80.192.49.213 to block it? Easiest way to block any activity is to use /etc/hosts.allow file. Port: denyhosts-2.5 Path:

Re: Duplicate IPFW rules

2006-12-21 Thread Václav Haisman
Kevin Downey wrote, On 21.12.2006 20:44: On 12/21/06, *Václav Haisman* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have just noticed that ipfw list shows one rule twice. It could be that I have run a script that adds it twice: shell::root:~ ipfw

Re: Duplicate IPFW rules

2006-12-21 Thread Kevin Downey
On 12/21/06, Václav Haisman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have just noticed that ipfw list shows one rule twice. It could be that I have run a script that adds it twice: shell::root:~ ipfw list 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 00300 deny ip from

Re: Block IP

2006-12-21 Thread Christopher Hilton
Oliver Fromme wrote: [ snip ] In general that's not a good idea. If you do it wrong, it makes DoS attacks against your machine easier (i.e. a clever attacker might be able to lock yourself out of your own machine). And getting it right is not easy. The best way to prevent brute-forcing is to

Re: Duplicate IPFW rules

2006-12-21 Thread Václav Haisman
Scott Ullrich wrote, On 21.12.2006 21:05: On 12/21/06, Václav Haisman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh, really? How is it useful? Please, explain. One example feature is to be able to delete many rules at once. If you know that a specific rule number holds rules (example: time based rules)

Re: Duplicate IPFW rules

2006-12-21 Thread Rodrigo Galiano
Hi, Re-edit your script and on the first line at the following: ipfw -f fl This line flushes the firewall script that is currently loaded before loading your script. Can you keep me posted. Regards and a Merry Christmas, -- Rodrigo Galiano Celestino Internet System Consultant

Re: Duplicate IPFW rules

2006-12-21 Thread Scott Ullrich
On 12/21/06, Václav Haisman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I did not realise this use. Hmm...still, I thought that this is what tables are for :) Yep, thats another usage for tables. But tables have not been around for very long either. Considering that I have used IPFW since FreeBSD version 2

Re: Duplicate IPFW rules

2006-12-21 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 08:53:07PM +0100, Václav Haisman wrote: Huh, really? How is it useful? Please, explain. I use the functionality you're questioning. Each of my rule numbers (well, not all of them, but most of them) are for specfic things; such as rule 3000 representing deny SSH attempts

Re: Duplicate IPFW rules

2006-12-21 Thread Scott Ullrich
On 12/21/06, Václav Haisman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh, really? How is it useful? Please, explain. One example feature is to be able to delete many rules at once. If you know that a specific rule number holds rules (example: time based rules) then the script has less work to do. Now

Re: Acer Aspire WLMi 5102 with AMD Turion 64 X2 system hanging with powerd on 6.2-RC1 and 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Wed, 2006-Dec-20 15:04:31 -0800, Scot Hetzel wrote: Had the same problem where powerd would hang my HP Pavilion dv8000 system. I worked arround the problem by using the following in rc.conf: powerd_enable=YES powerd_flags=-a maximum -b maximum Of course this makes powered do nothing when on

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Mike Jakubik
Has anyone tried these tests with 4.x? Well, i did, and i was surprised how good the performance is, it gave me the highest number of all tests, even compared to much faster HW. Although this is all different hardware, it seems like the performance drops the higher the version of FreeBSD is,

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Oliver Fromme wrote: Mark Kirkwood wrote: Exactly, that's why I did the comparison - I think you missed the part where I mentioned the 2 systems were *identical* with respect to cpus, memory, mobo - in fact even the power supplies are identical too! So I assume your benchmark measured

Re: Cached file read performance with 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Bill Moran wrote: In response to Mark Kirkwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: JoaoBR wrote: I am not convinced that this kind of test is of any value for comparing systems at all because there are too much factors involved - unless the competitors are installed on identical hardware. On the other side I

Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support

2006-12-21 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Bill Moran wrote: In response to Heinrich Rebehn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Colin Percival wrote: John Smith wrote: Support for FreeBSD 4.11 is going to end sometime in late January. Originally, FreeBSD 6.2 was supposed to be released back in October. This would have given

Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support

2006-12-21 Thread Chris
On 21/12/06, Charles Sprickman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Bill Moran wrote: In response to Heinrich Rebehn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Colin Percival wrote: John Smith wrote: Support for FreeBSD 4.11 is going to end sometime in late January. Originally, FreeBSD 6.2 was supposed

Re: sshfs/nfs cause server lockup - resolved

2006-12-21 Thread Chris
On 19/12/06, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 08:20:21PM +, Chris wrote: On 18/12/06, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 12:39:13AM +, Chris wrote: On 14/12/06, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at

Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support

2006-12-21 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Charles Sprickman made many good point IMO, but one aluded to in Chris's follow up concerns me: there is also uneeded cost involved in piurchasing hardware capable of running 6.x Performance on old boxes stability interest me, eg the 486s in scanners ( http://berklix.com/scanjet/

Re: ral / ralink 2561 MFC of openbsd import / card=0x25611814 chip=0x03021814

2006-12-21 Thread Matt Dawson
On Thursday 21 December 2006 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a ral rt2561 I guess, which currently isn't support by the releng_6 branch. Is it possible to backport the driver from HEAD? There was a cal for testers a couple of days ago. Two FreeBSD comitters are looking at this, but

Re: Duplicate IPFW rules

2006-12-21 Thread Ian Smith
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Scott Ullrich wrote: On 12/21/06, Václav Haisman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I did not realise this use. Hmm...still, I thought that this is what tables are for :) Yep, thats another usage for tables. But tables have not been around for very long either.

Re: /etc/rc.d/jail: losing IPs if jail_x_interface set and syntax error in jails /etc/rc?

2006-12-21 Thread Philipp Wuensche
Raphael H. Becker wrote: Hi *, I recently triggered an error when setting up a jail-host: I configured the jail(s) like evry jail I set up in the past: Yes, this is a bug in rc.d/jail and was introduced in this change:

Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support

2006-12-21 Thread Garrett Wollman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -5.x was never really for production use, in the same way 3.x never was. Why do people continue to say this? Many sites have used, are still using, and plan to continue to use, 5.x in production. ftp5/cvsup3 ran 5.x until a few months ago, and I have a netnews

Re: Block IP

2006-12-21 Thread Graham Menhennitt
Christopher Hilton wrote: If it's at all possible switch to using public keys for authentication with ssh and disallow password authentication. This completely stops the brute forcing attacks from filling up your periodic security mail. Are you sure about that? I only allow

Re: Acer Aspire WLMi 5102 with AMD Turion 64 X2 system hanging with powerd on 6.2-RC1 and 6.2-PRERELEASE

2006-12-21 Thread Bachilo Dmitry
В сообщении от Пятница 22 декабря 2006 00:27 Peter Jeremy написал(a): On Wed, 2006-Dec-20 15:04:31 -0800, Scot Hetzel wrote: Had the same problem where powerd would hang my HP Pavilion dv8000 system. I worked arround the problem by using the following in rc.conf: powerd_enable=YES

Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support

2006-12-21 Thread Michael R. Wayne
On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 09:59:34PM -0500, Garrett Wollman wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -5.x was never really for production use, in the same way 3.x never was. Why do people continue to say this? Many sites have used, are still using, and plan to continue to use, 5.x in production.

Re: burncd 'blank' not terminating ?

2006-12-21 Thread Sergey N. Voronkov
On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 09:27:17AM -0800, Luigi Rizzo wrote: just noticed, after upgrading to 6.2RC1, that luigi# burncd -f /dev/acd0 -v blank blanking CD, please wait.. stays there forever. Eventually i gave up and ctrl-C and the application terminates, and i was able to