Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread JoaoBR
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 04:57, Oliver Fromme wrote: Kevin Way wrote:   Oliver Fromme wrote:   But you called it confusing.  That's just your personal   perception.  It doesn't mean it is confusing to everybody.       If asked what -alias does, would you really reply it removes the  

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Oliver Fromme
JoaoBR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: No, not at all. As soon as you use the terms primary IP address and secondary IP addresses, you imply that they are not equal. But they are equal. It's just a list of IP addresses assigned to an interface which happens to have

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Oliver Fromme
J. T. Farmer wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: But when removing something without specifying which one, it makes some sense to simply remove the first existing address on that interface. It would even be OK with me to remove the last one, or an arbitrary one -- I use that shortcut

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Bruce M. Simpson
JoaoBR wrote: The only correct thing you say here is that all IPs are equal - and - nobody EVER said something different. Aliasing does not say anything about priority of the Ip it is simply related to the time the interface was set with the IP so the first IP is the one which was set

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-13 Thread Alexander Sabourenkov
Hi. Interesting - Someone else mentioned the same thing. The amr(4) manpage doesn't seem to be updated to mention the latest cards though. I did notice the driver hasn't been really updated in a while either. Wouldn't this cause a problem with identifying the newer cards? The

RE: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-13 Thread Jaime Bozza
Interesting - Someone else mentioned the same thing. The amr(4) manpage doesn't seem to be updated to mention the latest cards though. I did notice the driver hasn't been really updated in a while either. Wouldn't this cause a problem with identifying the newer cards? The

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Freddie Cash
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 02:38 am, Oliver Fromme wrote: JoaoBR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: No, not at all. As soon as you use the terms primary IP address and secondary IP addresses, you imply that they are not equal. But they are equal. It's just a list of

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Pete French
For a set of IPs in the same subnet on the same interface, wouldn't the primary IP be the one with the proper netmask, and all IPs with netmasks of /32 be secondary? In that situation, wouldn't deleting the primary IP cause connection issues for the rest of the IPs? Indeed. I too am not

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Freddie Cash
On Monday 12 February 2007 11:57 pm, Oliver Fromme wrote: Kevin Way wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: But you called it confusing. That's just your personal perception. It doesn't mean it is confusing to everybody. If asked what -alias does, would you really reply it removes the

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Freddie Cash
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 12:44 am, JoaoBR wrote: On Monday 12 February 2007 22:37, Joerg Pernfuss wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:18:54 -0300 JoaoBR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the problem here is that ifconfig_nic=inet IP ifconfig_nic=ether MAC does not work on

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:19:59PM +, Pete French wrote: For a set of IPs in the same subnet on the same interface, wouldn't the primary IP be the one with the proper netmask, and all IPs with netmasks of /32 be secondary? In that situation, wouldn't deleting the primary IP cause

Re: install on USB flash memory

2007-02-13 Thread Karel Miklav
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: I think this has been discussed before. The problem is that FreeBSD's bootloader doesn't support booting off of such devices, thus you need to use GRUB or another bootloader. But the guy from tutorial is doing that, and I made such a stick too. And it boots on ThinkPad

Panic: 6.2-STABLE/RELEASE, sysctl (on boot) -- ath related

2007-02-13 Thread Hugo Silva
Hi, While upgrading a fileserver / home wireless access point to 6.2-RELEASE, it wouldn't come back after the regular build/installworld/mergemaster procedures. I attached a keyboard and monitor to the server and noticed it was panicking on boot, current process being sysctl: Feb 13

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Oliver Fromme
Freddie Cash wrote: For a set of IPs in the same subnet on the same interface, wouldn't the primary IP be the one with the proper netmask, and all IPs with netmasks of /32 be secondary? That's historic. :-) Old versions of FreeBSD indeed required the netmask of the aliases to be /32 in

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Oliver Fromme
Freddie Cash wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: If asked what -alias does, I would reply that it is an alias for delete or remove, which removes an IP address from an interface. According to the docs, the IP address to be removed must be specified. The docs don't mention what happens

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Freddie Cash
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 10:37 am, Oliver Fromme wrote: Freddie Cash wrote: For a set of IPs in the same subnet on the same interface, wouldn't the primary IP be the one with the proper netmask, and all IPs with netmasks of /32 be secondary? That's historic. :-) Old versions of

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread sthaug
In that situation, wouldn't deleting the primary IP cause connection issues for the rest of the IPs? No. I can delete _any_ of the above IP addresses, and the others would still work perfectly fine. I already did things like that (on a different machine). As for outgoing

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Joan Picanyol i Puig
* Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20070212 19:11]: But you called it confusing. That's just your personal perception. It doesn't mean it is confusing to everybody. In fact it might be useful to others. It _is_ useful to me, for example, and I would object for that syntax to go away. Also

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Patrick M. Hausen
Hi! On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 07:37:17PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: Freddie Cash wrote: For a set of IPs in the same subnet on the same interface, wouldn't the primary IP be the one with the proper netmask, and all IPs with netmasks of /32 be secondary? That's historic. :-) Old

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Oliver Fromme
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that situation, wouldn't deleting the primary IP cause connection issues for the rest of the IPs? No. I can delete _any_ of the above IP addresses, and the others would still work perfectly fine. I already did things like that (on a different

Re: Desired behaviour of ifconfig -alias

2007-02-13 Thread Oliver Fromme
Freddie Cash wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: Freddie Cash wrote: For a set of IPs in the same subnet on the same interface, wouldn't the primary IP be the one with the proper netmask, and all IPs with netmasks of /32 be secondary? That's historic. :-) Old versions of FreeBSD

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-13 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
One thing I would like to see is a list of favoured non-raid multiport cards that are not dumb. We have a server running a rocket RAID controller (largely to get 8 ports of SATA). It doesn't do hot swap, it doesn't do SMART and I'm beginning to believe it might occasionally corrupt sectors

Re: Panic in 6.2-PRERELEASE with bge on amd64

2007-02-13 Thread John Baldwin
On Saturday 10 February 2007 12:33, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On Sun, 7 Jan 2007, Sven Willenberger wrote: lock order reversal: (sleepable after non-sleepable) 1st 0x8836b010 bge0 (network driver) @ /usr/src/sys/dev/bge/if_bge.c:2675 2nd 0x805f26b0 user map (user map) @

Re: install on USB flash memory

2007-02-13 Thread Martin Nilsson
Karel Miklav wrote: Jeremy Chadwick wrote: I think this has been discussed before. The problem is that FreeBSD's bootloader doesn't support booting off of such devices, thus you need to use GRUB or another bootloader. But the guy from tutorial is doing that, and I made such a stick too.