Re: [Freedos-user] Installation with Grub already installed

[Eric Auer]

Hi!

If I understand you correctly, Windows XP is NOT on that
FAT partition, so every OS already has a separate partition?

In that case the answer for MANUAL install would be: Simply
skip the FDISK and FORMAT steps, it is enough to use SYS to
make the FAT partition bootable. If your XP also has a FAT
partition, make sure to not apply DOS SYS to the XP drive.

The problem is that I do not know what the AUTOMATED install
will do. Whether there is a risk that it would run FDISK or
FORMAT without your consent? That question can be answered
by others who are more familiar with the workflow.

Regarding GRUB, you can use the Linux update-grub tool or
grub-mkconfig to refresh the boot menu configuration after
you have done the SYS step. It will detect DOS on the FAT
partition and add a boot menu item for that :-)

Then you can reboot, select booting DOS, and proceed with
the remaining steps of installing DOS, if you have some
DOS installation steps left to do after SYS.

Regards, Eric




Hi there
I would like to install FreeDos 1.3 on my hard drive. I have Windows XP 
and Lubuntu 18.04 installed, both bootable from the Grub boot manager. 


The first partition is FAT and 2G in size and where I would like to 
install FreeDos. Is it possible to install FreeDos without destroying 
Grub and the current installation and how would I do this?

Thanks
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[Freedos-user] Installation with Grub already installed

[JR]

Hi there
I would like to install FreeDos 1.3 on my hard drive. I have Windows XP 
and Lubuntu 18.04 installed, both bootable from the Grub boot manager. 
The first partition is FAT and 2G in size and where I would like to 
install FreeDos. Is it possible to install FreeDos without destroying 
Grub and the current installation and how would I do this?

Thanks
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Re: [Freedos-user] installation (Serva)

[Tomas By]

In case anybody needs this in future,

LIVE & LGCY are USB images, so that is apparently just not compatible
with Serva.

After formatting the disk and SYS'ing it, I can boot and read the USB
drive, so can get the files in that way.

/Tomas


On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:10:19 +0100, Tomas By wrote:
> FD13FULL.IMG: print dots for a long time, then back to menu
> 
> FD13LIVE.IMG: immediately back to menu
> 
> FD13LGCY.IMG: immediately back to menu
> 
> FD13FLOP.IMG: boots ok, fails at HIMEMX.EXE


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[Freedos-user] installation (Serva)

[Tomas By]

Hi again,

I tried these:

FD13FULL.IMG: print dots for a long time, then back to menu

FD13LIVE.IMG: immediately back to menu

FD13LGCY.IMG: immediately back to menu

FD13FLOP.IMG: boots ok, fails at HIMEMX.EXE

With the last one I can boot, and then format the disk (ie Freedos
partition), but trying `SETUP' fails because it cannot find the
packages (and they are seemingly not included on the single floppy).

So if I try to make some change to one of the others, what might be
the easiest?

Any theories about what goes wrong?

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Re: [Freedos-user] installation/partitions

[Tomas By]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 13:46:29 +0100, Eric Auer wrote:
> If FreeDOS is the only operating system on your
> FAT partitions, GRUB can automatically find and add it to the
> boot menu when you run update-grub in Linux, as far as I know.

Yes, that works fine in my experience.


> In both cases, FreeDOS would have to manipulate files on NTFS
> or Linux partitions to install itself without your manual help,
> so it is good that FreeDOS does NOT do that [period]

Agreed.

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Re: [Freedos-user] installation/partitions

[Eric Auer]

Hi!

>> the installer has no way to install it as a multi boot choice.

We once had logics to add FreeDOS to Windows 98 and similar
boot menus to share one partition, but it has been a while
since Windows stopped using classic FAT and the logics are
too complex to automatically give the desired result in a
sufficiently large subset of existing installations. Compare
to Linux which can even resize Windows partitions and then
create a GRUB menu with Linux and Windows - a lot of effort!

It would be cool if somebody could give Tech Republic a hint
that FreeDOS is not at all limited to 2 GB partition sizes
but only to 2 TB harddisk size and MBR partition schemes ;-)

Note about my earlier comment: GPT partitioning is related
to UEFI but should not be confused with the OTHER problem
of UEFI which is "no BIOS interrupts available unless you
activate some legacy support / load some CSM at boot"...

If you already have GRUB, you can use SYS with suitable options
to generate a boot sector file to add FreeDOS to multi-boot in
situations where several systems will boot from your FAT16 or
FAT32 partition. If FreeDOS is the only operating system on your
FAT partitions, GRUB can automatically find and add it to the
boot menu when you run update-grub in Linux, as far as I know.

If you already have Windows on NTFS, you can probably edit the
Windows boot menu config while in Windows to add FreeDOS, but
I do not know the details about that.

In both cases, FreeDOS would have to manipulate files on NTFS
or Linux partitions to install itself without your manual help,
so it is good that FreeDOS does NOT do that at the moment ;-)

If you want a boot menu to select one of several operating
systems on a single FAT partition, check out my METAKERN
tool, but be aware that it is rather minimalistic, so you
will have to do all "figuring out" by hand to configure it.

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Re: [Freedos-user] installation/partitions

[Tomas By]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 11:05:58 +0100, tom ehlert wrote:
> [...] however you have to install it manually as the intended multi
> boot environment.
> 
> the installer has no way to install it as a multi boot choice.


I guess you mean (whatever it's called) in Linux?

Yes, I am aware of that, and have tried Freedos+Windows+Linux, but
then apparently Windows put the boot files on the FD partition, which
was C: at that point [and then there were other problems] so next time
I will try Windows first.

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Re: [Freedos-user] installation/partitions

[tom ehlert]

Hallo Herr Tomas By,

am Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2020 um 07:27 schrieben Sie:

> Hi all,

> Is this correct:

> "Because FreeDOS has the same basic FAT limitations of MS-DOS, the
> largest you can create is a 2,055-MB partition."

no. the FreeDOS kernel supports both 4 GB FAT16 partitions, using 64k
clusters, and FAT32 partitions of up to 2 TB.

> https://www.techrepublic.com/article/configure-it-quick-use-freedos-as-a-replacement-for-ms-dos/

there are more factual errors in this article.

> Also, are there any limitations on the location of the partition on
> the disk?

> E.g. if I have a 250GB disk, can I put a 2GB Freedos partition at the
> end?

yes. however you have to install it manually as the intended multi
boot environment.

the installer has no way to install it as a multi boot choice.

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / with kind regards
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[Freedos-user] installation/partitions

[Tomas By]

Hi all,

Is this correct:

"Because FreeDOS has the same basic FAT limitations of MS-DOS, the
largest you can create is a 2,055-MB partition."

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/configure-it-quick-use-freedos-as-a-replacement-for-ms-dos/

Also, are there any limitations on the location of the partition on
the disk?

E.g. if I have a 250GB disk, can I put a 2GB Freedos partition at the
end?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem Hdd

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On 20-04-23 08 h 03, Ludovico Giorio wrote:
I checked, and the installer can only see my usb, not the hdd inside 
the laptop.


Message is:
"SETUP wasn't able to locate any disks to install FreeDOS 1.1 from."

What am I doing wrong?

I enabled legacy support in Bios.
I formatted my hdd in Fat.


You are a bit unclear about "legacy support" in BIOS.


Well, I am probably not the most qualified to answer but... as I see no 
one else answering...



If you have the choice between AHCI and IDE you should (as far as I 
remember) use IDE.


AHCI being better in general, but not supported by FreeDOS (at least 
this old version).



Else I would probably try to boot with a Linux image to make sure the 
disk is visible (well connected).




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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem Hdd

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Hi! There is no need to use Linux to replace the MBR boot code,
you can easily do that with DOS tools. Of course if you prefer
Linux tools, they can be used for the same purpose :-)

I assume you want to get rid of Windows, so you do not need to
convert from GPT to MBR. Deleting the partitions and restarting
with MBR will be sufficient. You could also wipe the drive if
you want to leave no data behind when you return the computer.

There are both DOS and Linux tools for that and modern disk even
have built-in features to wipe themselves. For example hdparm in
Linux can be used to start that process, which can take very long.

Regards, Eric

> If GPT is the issue, should a Linux based tool be used to get around
> that?  I'm thinking something like boot nuke or something similar.

...

>> You can tell FDISK to install a fresh MBR boot
>> code, see the command line help of FDISK :-)




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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem Hdd

[michael]

If GPT is the issue, should a Linux based tool be used to get around
that?  I'm thinking something like boot nuke or something similar.

April 23, 2020 8:16 AM, "Eric Auer"  wrote:

> Hi! Which tools in which versions did you use?
> 
> For example which FORMAT, FDISK...? Let me start by
> saying the choice for MBR was good: GPT partitions
> are not visible for DOS. Not sure what the purpose
> of that EFI partition is, but it is easily possible
> that Windows had a boot loader on the first disk
> to boot from the second, affecting both boots.
> 
> You can tell FDISK to install a fresh MBR boot
> code, see the command line help of FDISK :-)
> Of course you also want to mark the partition as
> bootable and for big disks, you probably want to
> use FAT32 LBA partitions for FreeDOS.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem Hdd

[Eric Auer]

Hi! Which tools in which versions did you use?

For example which FORMAT, FDISK...? Let me start by
saying the choice for MBR was good: GPT partitions
are not visible for DOS. Not sure what the purpose
of that EFI partition is, but it is easily possible
that Windows had a boot loader on the first disk
to boot from the second, affecting both boots.

You can tell FDISK to install a fresh MBR boot
code, see the command line help of FDISK :-)
Of course you also want to mark the partition as
bootable and for big disks, you probably want to
use FAT32 LBA partitions for FreeDOS.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem Hdd

[michael]

What kind of hard drive did you take out? Was it a serial ATA hard drive or an 
IDE hard drive?

Have you considered trying Freedos 1.3 RC2?

Make sure you aren't in AHCI mode?

April 23, 2020 7:03 AM, "Ludovico Giorio" mailto:ludovico8...@hotmail.it?to=%22Ludovico%20Giorio%22%20)>
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 Hello everyone,  I'm having a problem installing Freedos 1.1/1.2 on my laptop. 
The laptop came shipped with a custom Freedos version from Hp, I installed 
Win10 on a second drive, had some problems and need to return the laptop. I 
took out the second drive, and the win bootloader was still there. I accessed 
the Efi partition and erased the windows bootloader, but doing this I must have 
made some mistake, and now the laptop wont boot in Hp dos too.  So, I 
downloaded Freedos 1.1/1.2, created a bootable usb with it, restarted on usb 
and accessed the installation prompt. Problem is, installation is stuck in a 
partitioning loop: after partitioning, the installer starts again anew. I 
checked, and the installer can only see my usb, not the hdd inside the laptop.  
Message is:"SETUP wasn't able to locate any disks to install FreeDOS 1.1 from." 
What am I doing wrong?  I enabled legacy support in Bios. I formatted my hdd in 
Fat.  I think that the installer can't see the hd, and don't know why. Is it 
because of the hdd format (I made it MBR)? Are there some hdd requirement I m 
not aware of?  If someone can help me about this, it would be greatly 
appreciated.   Thank you and good luck for the emergency.
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[Freedos-user] Installation Problem Hdd

[Ludovico Giorio]

Hello everyone,

I'm having a problem installing Freedos 1.1/1.2 on my laptop.
The laptop came shipped with a  custom Freedos version from Hp, I installed 
Win10 on a second drive, had some problems and need to return the laptop.
I took out the second drive, and the win bootloader was still there. I accessed 
the Efi partition and erased the windows bootloader, but doing this I must have 
made some mistake, and now the laptop wont boot in Hp dos too.

So, I downloaded Freedos 1.1/1.2, created a bootable usb with it, restarted on 
usb and accessed the installation prompt.
Problem is, installation is stuck in a partitioning loop: after partitioning, 
the installer starts again anew.
I checked, and the installer can only see my usb, not the hdd inside the laptop.

Message is:
"SETUP wasn't able to locate any disks to install FreeDOS 1.1 from."

What am I doing wrong?

I enabled legacy support in Bios.
I formatted my hdd in Fat.

I think that the installer can't see the hd, and don't know why.
Is it because of the hdd format (I made it MBR)? Are there some hdd requirement 
I m not aware of?

If someone can help me about this, it would be greatly appreciated.


Thank you and good luck for the emergency.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation question

[Jerome Shidel]

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 11:54 PM, old dog  wrote:
> 
> I am planning on installing FD12LGCY.iso to a hard drive.  I have several
> hard drives in my desktop.  When I hit the button "install to hard drive"
> will it allow me to select which drive before proceeding?  
> 

Normally, no. (Unless running in advanced mode)

My advice is to partition and format the desired location outside of the 
installer. Then run the installer and let it install FreeDOS. 

Note... it will install to what FreeDOS sees as drive C:. So, you may also need 
to hide partitions if a different destination is required.



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I am planning on installing FD12LGCY.iso to a hard drive.  I have several
hard drives in my desktop.  When I hit the button "install to hard drive"
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation

[Ralf Quint]

On 7/12/2017 8:59 AM, David wrote:
> Hi Ralf
>
> I've tried 2 ways;
> 1) I downloaded the 'CDROM standard installer' and created a cd frok
> that. I tried to install on machine that it didn't matter if it over
> wrote the existing OS or bootloader but it produced errors in the
> install process and locked up.
I asked to be precise in both the filename and the CD burning process
for a reason. A lot of times, the devil is in very tiny details...
To tell us more about the errors you get might help to narrow down the
actual issue you're having. And what exactly is the computer you are
trying to install on? What is/was the OS running on that machine before
you tried to install FreeDOS?
>
> 2) to use it on main computer I downloaded the 'Boot floppy'  version
> to create a bootable CD. Neither Windows or Linus will write this
> image to a CD. Windows (7) says it is not a valid ISO and Linux just
> doesn't other the CD as a valid location to write to..
Not surprising, it is named Boot *FLOPPY* for a reason, to clearly
indicate that this is NOT an ISO image to be burned...

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation

[Jim Hall]

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:59 AM, David  wrote:
>
> I've tried 2 ways;
> 1) I downloaded the 'CDROM standard installer' and created a cd frok that. I 
> tried to install on machine that it didn't matter if it over wrote the 
> existing OS or bootloader but it produced errors in the install process and 
> locked up.
>
> 2) to use it on main computer I downloaded the 'Boot floppy'  version to 
> create a bootable CD. Neither Windows or Linus will write this image to a CD. 
> Windows (7) says it is not a valid ISO and Linux just doesn't other the CD as 
> a valid location to write to. I have had problems with writing ISO images 
> before and windows saying they are not valid ISO images. I can write this 
> image to a SD card but this errors on boot.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Kind regards
> David
>

Hi David

1)
The CDROM "standard" installer and CDROM "legacy" installer are the
only images that you can write to CDROM. If you are having problems
with the CDROM "standard" installer, then you should try the CDROM
"legacy" installer instead. The standard version works on most
machines. Some machines (notably, older PCs) need the legacy version.
The only different between standard and legacy is the boot method.

2)
The boot floppy is meant to be used *with* a CDROM, but not *as* the
CDROM. Some computers (again, usually older PCs) cannot boot from
CDROM. For these computers, you write the CDROM installer to a CDROM,
and write the boot floppy image to a floppy disk. Then boot the
computer from the floppy, then insert the install CDROM when the
install program starts up.

The boot floppy image is only meant to be written to a floppy disk. So
that's why your software says the boot floppy image is not a valid ISO
- because it isn't meant to be.


Another helpful note from my other email to you:

>You mentioned also trying to write it to an SD card. I don't know that
>anyone has tested an SD card, but I suppose it would work. To write to
>rewritable bootable media, we actually recommend writing the image to
>a USB fob drive. For a USB fob drive, it's better to use the USB
>"Full" installer or the USB "Lite" installer.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation

[David]

Hi Ralf

I've tried 2 ways;
1) I downloaded the 'CDROM standard installer' and created a cd frok 
that. I tried to install on machine that it didn't matter if it over 
wrote the existing OS or bootloader but it produced errors in the 
install process and locked up.


2) to use it on main computer I downloaded the 'Boot floppy' version to 
create a bootable CD. Neither Windows or Linus will write this image to 
a CD. Windows (7) says it is not a valid ISO and Linux just doesn't 
other the CD as a valid location to write to. I have had problems with 
writing ISO images before and windows saying they are not valid ISO 
images. I can write this image to a SD card but this errors on boot.


Any help would be appreciated.
Kind regards
David





On 11/07/17 18:10, Ralf Quint wrote:

On 7/11/2017 9:45 AM, David wrote:

Hi.
I can't seem to get FreeDOS to install or create a boot disk. I've 
downloaded the create a boot disk image from the website but when I 
try to burn a cd windows says it is not a valid ISO file. Linus 
doen't seem to want burn a disk from it either but will write to SD 
card but this gives a boot error.

What am I going wrong?

Hard to tell with out a magic crystal ball.

Please be more precise in telling us exactly which image you 
downloaded and exactly which steps you are taking to burn it to a CD. 
Then we might have a chance ti figure out at exactly which step you 
went astray...


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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation

[Jim Hall]

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:45 AM, David  wrote:
> Hi.
> I can't seem to get FreeDOS to install or create a boot disk. I've
> downloaded the create a boot disk image from the website but when I try to
> burn a cd windows says it is not a valid ISO file. Linus doen't seem to want
> burn a disk from it either but will write to SD card but this gives a boot
> error.
> What am I going wrong?
>

It depends how you are trying to install FreeDOS:

If you are trying to burn the installer to a CDROM, then you should
use the CDROM "standard" installer. Depending on your system, you
might instead need to use the CDROM "legacy" installer. Most machines
should use the standard installer, but older machines may need the
legacy installer.

You mentioned also trying to write it to an SD card. I don't know that
anyone has tested an SD card, but I suppose it would work. To write to
rewritable bootable media, we actually recommend writing the image to
a USB fob drive. For a USB fob drive, it's better to use the USB
"Full" installer or the USB "Lite" installer.

You can find links to each from http://www.freedos.org/download/


The http://www.freedos.org/download/ web page also mentions this:


>>>
The FreeDOS 1.2 distribution is available in multiple formats:

We recommend the CDROM installer for most users. The "standard" CDROM
image should work on most computers and PC emulators. Older computers
may need the "legacy" CDROM image instead.

If your computer cannot boot from CDROM, use the boot floppy. Write
this image to a floppy with Rawrite or dd, boot it, then insert the
install CDROM when the install program starts up.

If your computer doesn't have a CDROM drive, use the USB fob drive
installer. Write this to a USB fob drive and boot it to start the
install. The "Full" and "Lite" versions install the same FreeDOS, but
the "Lite" installer does not contain some extra bonus software
packages.
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[Freedos-user] Installation

[David]

Hi.
I can't seem to get FreeDOS to install or create a boot disk. I've 
downloaded the create a boot disk image from the website but when I try 
to burn a cd windows says it is not a valid ISO file. Linus doen't seem 
to want burn a disk from it either but will write to SD card but this 
gives a boot error.

What am I going wrong?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?

[Louis Santillan]

Got a chance to find the links I was thinking of [0][1].

[0] http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=14645
[1] http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=11947

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Louis Santillan  wrote:
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> ac97.
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:11 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tom!
>>
>>
>>
>> As I understand it you cannot really make any use of initialized sound
>>
>> hardware in DOS except for a few -- very few -- programs that are aware
>>
>> of this very specific sound hardware.
>>
>>
>>
>> You may have noticed that /back in the old days/ every program/game had
>>
>> to be configured for the specific sound card in order to use it. Even
>>
>> within a family of sound cards there were incompatibilities. For
>>
>> example, games that ware written for Sound Blaster 1.0 (aka Game
>>
>> Blaster) und Sound Blaster 2.0 were not able to produce SoundBlaster
>>
>> sound on a more modern Sound Blaster Pro or Sound Blaster 16.
>>
>>
>>
>> The reason for this is very simple: there is no standardized sound API
>>
>> on DOS. So every sound card and driver created its own API and every
>>
>> application has to be written to support this very sound card (series).
>>
>>
>>
>> The only solution for /modern DOS/ would be to write an emulation for a
>>
>> well supported sound card for older programs and games. That would be,
>>
>> say, a SB16 emulation driver for AC97 and HD-Audio on-board sound cards.
>>
>> So every DOS program/game would see the well supported SB16 and -- if
>>
>> supported by this very program or game -- would be able to use it
>>
>> through the emulation. I think this is how DOSBox does support sound.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you do find a practical solution though -- I would be interested too!
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> userbeitrag
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-12-18 23:58, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>>
>> > Do such programs to init the sound hardware work with all sound
>> > hardware?
>>
>> > I have on-motherboard Intel high-definition audio and remember reading
>> > on this emailing list that it was not supported in any DOS.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I get sound in FreeBSD and NetBSD.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?

[Eric Auer]

Hi Userbeitrag,

> The only solution for /modern DOS/ would be to write an emulation for a 
> well supported sound card for older programs and games. That would be, 
> say, a SB16 emulation driver for AC97 and HD-Audio on-board sound cards. 
> So every DOS program/game would see the well supported SB16 and -- if 
> supported by this very program or game -- would be able to use it 
> through the emulation. I think this is how DOSBox does support sound.

Yes and no... Dosbox and Dosemu use protected mode to simulate
PC specific hardware, but they are not drivers. They are whole
virtual simulation environments. On the other hand, "SB PCI"
and "SB Live" did indeed use protected mode "drivers" where at
least some of the differences between actual hardware (mostly
AC97 PCI chips) and what games expected (usually SoundBlaster
in ISA variants) were compensated by simulation: The protected
mode "driver" intercepted attempts of the games to manipulate
the ISA hardware, made the games see what they had to see and
sent the sound data to the actual PCI hardware. There are very
few open source drivers in that style: I am only aware of the
"VSB" Virtual Sound Blaster package which is limited to very
minimal SoundBlaster variants (1.0? 2.0? 8 bit?) and does not
support DOS extenders as far as I remember. So only real mode
games which accept vm86 mode limitations did work, I think...

I have mirrored an old version at www.auersoft.eu/soft/by-others/

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?

[Louis Santillan]

I think someone on Bttr has such an emulation sound driver for Intel hda or
ac97.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:11 PM  wrote:

> Hi Tom!
>
>
>
> As I understand it you cannot really make any use of initialized sound
>
> hardware in DOS except for a few -- very few -- programs that are aware
>
> of this very specific sound hardware.
>
>
>
> You may have noticed that /back in the old days/ every program/game had
>
> to be configured for the specific sound card in order to use it. Even
>
> within a family of sound cards there were incompatibilities. For
>
> example, games that ware written for Sound Blaster 1.0 (aka Game
>
> Blaster) und Sound Blaster 2.0 were not able to produce SoundBlaster
>
> sound on a more modern Sound Blaster Pro or Sound Blaster 16.
>
>
>
> The reason for this is very simple: there is no standardized sound API
>
> on DOS. So every sound card and driver created its own API and every
>
> application has to be written to support this very sound card (series).
>
>
>
> The only solution for /modern DOS/ would be to write an emulation for a
>
> well supported sound card for older programs and games. That would be,
>
> say, a SB16 emulation driver for AC97 and HD-Audio on-board sound cards.
>
> So every DOS program/game would see the well supported SB16 and -- if
>
> supported by this very program or game -- would be able to use it
>
> through the emulation. I think this is how DOSBox does support sound.
>
>
>
> If you do find a practical solution though -- I would be interested too!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> userbeitrag
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2016-12-18 23:58, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>
> > Do such programs to init the sound hardware work with all sound hardware?
>
> > I have on-motherboard Intel high-definition audio and remember reading
> on this emailing list that it was not supported in any DOS.
>
> >
>
> > I get sound in FreeBSD and NetBSD.
>
> >
>
> > Tom
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?

[userbeitrag]

Hi Tom!

As I understand it you cannot really make any use of initialized sound 
hardware in DOS except for a few -- very few -- programs that are aware 
of this very specific sound hardware.

You may have noticed that /back in the old days/ every program/game had 
to be configured for the specific sound card in order to use it. Even 
within a family of sound cards there were incompatibilities. For 
example, games that ware written for Sound Blaster 1.0 (aka Game 
Blaster) und Sound Blaster 2.0 were not able to produce SoundBlaster 
sound on a more modern Sound Blaster Pro or Sound Blaster 16.

The reason for this is very simple: there is no standardized sound API 
on DOS. So every sound card and driver created its own API and every 
application has to be written to support this very sound card (series).

The only solution for /modern DOS/ would be to write an emulation for a 
well supported sound card for older programs and games. That would be, 
say, a SB16 emulation driver for AC97 and HD-Audio on-board sound cards. 
So every DOS program/game would see the well supported SB16 and -- if 
supported by this very program or game -- would be able to use it 
through the emulation. I think this is how DOSBox does support sound.

If you do find a practical solution though -- I would be interested too!

Cheers,
userbeitrag


On 2016-12-18 23:58, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> Do such programs to init the sound hardware work with all sound hardware?
> I have on-motherboard Intel high-definition audio and remember reading on 
> this emailing list that it was not supported in any DOS.
>
> I get sound in FreeBSD and NetBSD.
>
> Tom

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?

[Thomas Mueller]

from Eric Auer:

> > - I have just managed to find a Disney Sound Source on eBay, how
> > compatible is FreeDOS with MS-DOS drivers? I hope it would work on
> > FreeDOS...

> There are no real DOS sound DRIVERS on most systems:
> 
> Just programs to init the sound hardware and driver
> libraries IN games to output sound. Those should work
> equally well with ALL variants of DOS :-) Note that
> PCI soundcards sometimes have protected mode virtual
> drivers which simulate SoundBlaster from the point
> of view of your game, while the real hardware uses
> for example AC97. Those will need special settings
> for our EMM386 style drivers (read docs) and they
> will also only work with games with no or at least
> only with "tame" compatible DOS extenders.

Do such programs to init the sound hardware work with all sound hardware?

I have on-motherboard Intel high-definition audio and remember reading on this 
emailing list that it was not supported in any DOS.

I get sound in FreeBSD and NetBSD.

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Mingcong Bai  wrote:
> 在 2016年12月17日 21:21, Rugxulo 写道:
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Mingcong Bai  wrote:
>>>
>>> But FreeDOS seemed to have CD installation only... Is it possible to
>>> install FreeDOS with a set of floppy disks still? If not, what are my
>>> options?
>> You mean that old bunch of like 88 floppy images for full FD 1.0?? Uh,
>> no, that hasn't been attempted this time, probably overkill.
>
> I must admit that I had no idea how complete a suite of FreeDOS is...
> That makes sense.

Most of that bloat wasn't FreeDOS proper, just third-party games and
tools. Most of that is still mirrored on iBiblio.org under
/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/ (if you still want it later).

>> Truly, you don't always absolutely need all the extras (networking,
>> games, archivers, development).
>
> Okay... After the installation then would be a lot of playing with
> floppy disks.

Unavoidable if you don't have other ways of getting the files. But
it's not as bad as it sounds. Certainly you can grab some useful stuff
in well under ten floppies.

>> In other words, such CJK languages probably need their own TSRs or
>> tools in order to use graphics mode (instead of limited text mode).
>> There is however no active support (AFAIK) in FreeDOS for any CJK.
>
> That's exactly how it worked for MS-DOS, when I read about some
> information on the FreeDOS Wikipedia page regarding
> "internationalization" I thought FreeDOS already had Unicode display
> support. Oh well... I will try and get in touch with someone soon.

No explicit Unicode or CJK support, no, sorry. The tools I mentioned
(and good old-fashioned codepages for non-CJK) are all we've got for
the foreseeable future.

> Thanks for all your answers though, just a couple more questions...
>
> - I have just managed to find a Disney Sound Source on eBay, how
> compatible is FreeDOS with MS-DOS drivers? I hope it would work on
> FreeDOS...

Sound is the weakest link in DOS, esp. since (as Eric said) it's
usually bundled with the games themselves. So there is some partial
support in some few third-party commercial games for such a card, but
it's far from universal "DOS support".

DOS does sometimes have system drivers (.SYS), and most of those
should work with FreeDOS unchanged, if you need it, but overall sound
support is just not a strong suit. There is no intentional
incompatibility here, but a few bugs may still linger in some dark
corners.

> - How does "version upgrade" work for FreeDOS? Do I have to overwrite my
> installation every time, or is there update/upgrade mechanism built it?

Jerome's installer does some work behind the scenes, but overall there
is no good way to auto-upgrade DOS itself. You'll normally still have
to copy things manually (and delete / reinstall other pieces, if
desired). There is no intention to literally automate everything.
You're still expected to be willing to heavily fiddle with it
yourself.

Mateusz's package manager was already mentioned, but there's not a lot
of work done (yet) to build such updated packages, so you don't have
much to upgrade yet anyways.

Overall, FreeDOS is fairly stable and not undergoing drastic changes,
so while a lot of little things have indeed changed over the years,
the major infrastructure hasn't been incompatibly broken or rewritten.
Dreams for a 64-bit SMP multitasking Unicode version are not
realistic.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?

[Eric Auer]

Hi Rugxulo,

> Regarding PCMCIA hard disks, I think Deskwork.de (defunct?) had once
> made public some partial DOS support (TP "unit") that was
> semi-archived by one FreeDOS enthusiast:
> 
> http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/by-others/

Note that the Cosmodata mirror should only be used when there
are technical problems with the main site, to avoid wasting
bandwidth in Brazil. So please use the following link instead:

https://www.auersoft.eu/soft/by-others/

You probably mean the "DeskWork PCMCIA Unit" source code. This
is a source-only donation of code: FreeDOS experts are invited
to use it when building PCMCIA drivers, but the sources are no
complete driver themselves.

Deskwork was a graphical user interface for DOS and Windows in
style of Star Trek consoles. It also included native apps and
some drivers, so it was more than just a GUI. There are a few
YouTube videos of the software in action, for example in QEMU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaSgLKptnrk

(that user apparently did everything by keyboard - DOS fan :-))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_VoM8An6v8

(old interview: main developer, more graphical demo of the GUI)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?

[Eric Auer]

Hi!

FreeDOS with only those components which mimick parts
of MS DOS will easily fit on 1, 2 or 3 diskettes of
1.44 MB each, depending on whether you want to have
full documentation and translations included. FreeDOS
on CD also includes lots of other free software :-)

> - I have just managed to find a Disney Sound Source on eBay, how 
> compatible is FreeDOS with MS-DOS drivers? I hope it would work on 
> FreeDOS...

There are no real DOS sound DRIVERS on most systems:

Just programs to init the sound hardware and driver
libraries IN games to output sound. Those should work
equally well with ALL variants of DOS :-) Note that
PCI soundcards sometimes have protected mode virtual
drivers which simulate SoundBlaster from the point
of view of your game, while the real hardware uses
for example AC97. Those will need special settings
for our EMM386 style drivers (read docs) and they
will also only work with games with no or at least
only with "tame" compatible DOS extenders.

> - How does "version upgrade" work for FreeDOS? Do I have to overwrite my 
> installation every time, or is there update/upgrade mechanism built it?

We have package managers, so you can replace programs
by newer versions of the programs smoothly, I think.

Cheers, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?

[Mingcong Bai]

在 2016年12月17日 21:21, Rugxulo 写道:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Mingcong Bai  wrote:
>> I happen to have a ThinkPad 340 kicking around:
>>
>> - Intel 486SLC2 25/50MHz
>> - 12MB RAM
>> - 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive
>>
>> But FreeDOS seemed to have CD installation only... Is it possible to
>> install FreeDOS with a set of floppy disks still? If not, what are my
>> options?
> You mean that old bunch of like 88 floppy images for full FD 1.0?? Uh,
> no, that hasn't been attempted this time, probably overkill.
I must admit that I had no idea how complete a suite of FreeDOS is... 
That makes sense.
> FreeDOS is just a simple DOS, so bare minimum installation from floppy
> is easy (fdisk, fdapm warmboot, format, sys, xcopy). Of course that
> won't give you all third party software or even a full FD "BASE", but
> it will boot up (giving you at least a kernel, shell, and
> partition/MBR/boot sector). You can piecemeal add whatever you want.
> Truly, you don't always absolutely need all the extras (networking,
> games, archivers, development).
Okay... After the installation then would be a lot of playing with 
floppy disks.
> Do you have a working packet driver for networking for that machine?
> (My own MetaDOS floppy heavily relies on that, but it works fine under
> VBox or QEMU. So you can download there first and rawrite to physical
> disk later.) If so, that would make things a lot easier. IIRC, one way
> to halfway tell what card was "pcisleep q02" (or maybe NSSI or similar
> tool).
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/metados/
>
> Most other floppy image files are very old and abandoned. If you just
> need "whatever", I could point you to various ones, like I did on the
> bug tracker:
>
> * https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/143/
> * https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/129/
>
> But FD 1.2 RC2 has a bootable floppy installer (thanks to Jerome):
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/previews/1.2-rc2/FD12FLOPPY.zip
>
> And Mateusz recently made his own Svarog86 floppy images:
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/svarog86/files/2015-05-29/
>
> Or if you could copy the .iso to the hard drive (via another
> computer), then you could then mount it via SHSUCDHD (I think).
>
> http://adoxa.altervista.org/shsucdx/index.html
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/shsucdx/other/
Cool.
>> Oh also, I am a native Simplified Chinese user/speaker, there doesn't
>> seem to be any translation for CJKV (Chinese, Japanese, Korean,
>> Vietnamese) locales yet - is it not supported or just no one had gone in
>> and translate FreeDOS to these particular languages?
> Not sure exactly, you'd have to ask Henrique, the resident codepage
> expert (or maybe Wengier Wu on BTTR). Most of here don't grok such CJK
> languages, and IIRC there is no (fully working?) support for DBCS
> (unlike MS-DOS).
>
> IIRC, the typical DOS codepage doesn't hold many glyphs, so it's too
> small for most non-European (non-Roman alphabet) languages (but maybe
> some Cyrillic support). There are some minor workarounds (maybe), but
> most of us aren't qualified to test them.
>
> As far as Chinese (viewing only?), take a look here:
>
> https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/file/pg/libs/
>
> Or Foxtype (viewing only):
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/util/foxtype.zip
>
> We did have a (theoretical only, albeit with a few third-party links)
> discussion a few years ago about Japanese support (freedos-user, date:
> Nov. 8, 2013, subject: "FreeDOS/V"):
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/freedos-user/thread/559d6bb6.6000...@gmail.com/
>
> In other words, such CJK languages probably need their own TSRs or
> tools in order to use graphics mode (instead of limited text mode).
> There is however no active support (AFAIK) in FreeDOS for any CJK.
That's exactly how it worked for MS-DOS, when I read about some 
information on the FreeDOS Wikipedia page regarding 
"internationalization" I thought FreeDOS already had Unicode display 
support. Oh well... I will try and get in touch with someone soon.
> You can still write Unicode stuff with various DOS ports, e.g. Mined
> or GNU Emacs or Blocek (gfx). It's not universal DOS system support by
> any means, but it's far better than nothing.
GNU Nano all the way!

Thanks for all your answers though, just a couple more questions...

- I have just managed to find a Disney Sound Source on eBay, how 
compatible is FreeDOS with MS-DOS drivers? I hope it would work on 
FreeDOS...
- How does "version upgrade" work for FreeDOS? Do I have to overwrite my 
installation every time, or is there update/upgrade mechanism built it?

Best Regards,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Mingcong Bai  wrote:
>
> Oh also... If I have a Panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM Drive, would I be able to
> use it with FreeDOS (then I suppose that I could burn the ISO image and
> boot it from the boot floppy...? If the driver works...).

I'm not a hardware guy, so I've never tested most of this low-level
stuff. There's too many options. But I can give a few links:

* http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/about.html
* http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=smbtmgr

"
Smart BootManager supports booting from almost all kinds of IDE ATAPI
CD-ROMs, including PCMCIA CD-ROMs. You can let the BIOS boot from C:
only and assign a password for it, then you can boot from CD-ROM with
Smart BootManager. If you have a laptop with a special PCMCIA CD-ROM
which has no support for booting in the BIOS, Smart BootManager can
help you boot from it.
"

There's also this potential method:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Torito_%28CD-ROM_standard%29
* 
http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=MEMDISK#MEMDISK_and_generic_El_Torito_CD-ROM_driver_for_DOS
* http://wiki.osdev.org/El-Torito

Normally DOS requires a separate (device-specific) driver for CD
access, which can be hard to find for old devices (or even new ones).
We don't officially have a lot, and the last one we had was (more or
less) "abandoned" (closed source) some two years ago:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/ellis/

Some people (also) recommend VIDE-CDD (or OAKCDROM), but I'm unsure of
the exact legality of using those (obviously depending on licensing
and your country's local laws).

Regarding PCMCIA hard disks, I think Deskwork.de (defunct?) had once
made public some partial DOS support (TP "unit") that was
semi-archived by one FreeDOS enthusiast:

http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/by-others/

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Mingcong Bai  wrote:
>
> I happen to have a ThinkPad 340 kicking around:
>
> - Intel 486SLC2 25/50MHz
> - 12MB RAM
> - 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive
>
> But FreeDOS seemed to have CD installation only... Is it possible to
> install FreeDOS with a set of floppy disks still? If not, what are my
> options?

You mean that old bunch of like 88 floppy images for full FD 1.0?? Uh,
no, that hasn't been attempted this time, probably overkill.

FreeDOS is just a simple DOS, so bare minimum installation from floppy
is easy (fdisk, fdapm warmboot, format, sys, xcopy). Of course that
won't give you all third party software or even a full FD "BASE", but
it will boot up (giving you at least a kernel, shell, and
partition/MBR/boot sector). You can piecemeal add whatever you want.
Truly, you don't always absolutely need all the extras (networking,
games, archivers, development).

Do you have a working packet driver for networking for that machine?
(My own MetaDOS floppy heavily relies on that, but it works fine under
VBox or QEMU. So you can download there first and rawrite to physical
disk later.) If so, that would make things a lot easier. IIRC, one way
to halfway tell what card was "pcisleep q02" (or maybe NSSI or similar
tool).

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/metados/

Most other floppy image files are very old and abandoned. If you just
need "whatever", I could point you to various ones, like I did on the
bug tracker:

* https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/143/
* https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/129/

But FD 1.2 RC2 has a bootable floppy installer (thanks to Jerome):

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/previews/1.2-rc2/FD12FLOPPY.zip

And Mateusz recently made his own Svarog86 floppy images:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/svarog86/files/2015-05-29/

Or if you could copy the .iso to the hard drive (via another
computer), then you could then mount it via SHSUCDHD (I think).

http://adoxa.altervista.org/shsucdx/index.html
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/shsucdx/other/

> Oh also, I am a native Simplified Chinese user/speaker, there doesn't
> seem to be any translation for CJKV (Chinese, Japanese, Korean,
> Vietnamese) locales yet - is it not supported or just no one had gone in
> and translate FreeDOS to these particular languages?

Not sure exactly, you'd have to ask Henrique, the resident codepage
expert (or maybe Wengier Wu on BTTR). Most of here don't grok such CJK
languages, and IIRC there is no (fully working?) support for DBCS
(unlike MS-DOS).

IIRC, the typical DOS codepage doesn't hold many glyphs, so it's too
small for most non-European (non-Roman alphabet) languages (but maybe
some Cyrillic support). There are some minor workarounds (maybe), but
most of us aren't qualified to test them.

As far as Chinese (viewing only?), take a look here:

https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/file/pg/libs/

Or Foxtype (viewing only):

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/util/foxtype.zip

We did have a (theoretical only, albeit with a few third-party links)
discussion a few years ago about Japanese support (freedos-user, date:
Nov. 8, 2013, subject: "FreeDOS/V"):

https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/freedos-user/thread/559d6bb6.6000...@gmail.com/

In other words, such CJK languages probably need their own TSRs or
tools in order to use graphics mode (instead of limited text mode).
There is however no active support (AFAIK) in FreeDOS for any CJK.

You can still write Unicode stuff with various DOS ports, e.g. Mined
or GNU Emacs or Blocek (gfx). It's not universal DOS system support by
any means, but it's far better than nothing.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?

[Mingcong Bai]

Oh also... If I have a Panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM Drive, would I be able to 
use it with FreeDOS (then I suppose that I could burn the ISO image and 
boot it from the boot floppy...? If the driver works...).


在 2016年12月17日 14:55, Mingcong Bai 写道:
> Hi all,
>
>
> I happen to have a ThinkPad 340 kicking around:
>
>
> - Intel 486SLC2 25/50MHz
>
> - 12MB RAM
>
> - ...
>
> - 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive
>
>
> But FreeDOS seemed to have CD installation only... Is it possible to 
> install FreeDOS with a set of floppy disks still? If not, what are my 
> options?
>
>
> Oh also, I am a native Simplified Chinese user/speaker, there doesn't 
> seem to be any translation for CJKV (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, 
> Vietnamese) locales yet - is it not supported or just no one had gone 
> in and translate FreeDOS to these particular languages?
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mingcong Bai
>


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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation as standalone system

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

There is no need for sound, I don't think I even need a network connection.  
I'm looking to get a system that is at least 3-4 years old, maybe even older.  
The only reason to get a newer one is to get some extra speed.

This clown speaks for himself

> On Feb 3, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Corbin Davenport  
> wrote:
> 
> I would think FreeDOS would work fine on any PC with legacy boot enabled, but 
> extra stuff like USB, sound, and/or networking might need extra drivers that 
> might not be available.
> 
> Corbin
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2016 12:57 PM, "Wayne Dernoncourt"  wrote:
>> I'm planning to install Free-DOS on a standalone system to run SpinRite.  
>> I've had issues in getting FreeDOS to boot successfully on some systems (the 
>> systems seems to hang on Init...)
>> 
>> So I decided to get an older desktop with a plan to wipeout what I expect 
>> will be Windows and install FreeDOS.  I would to minimize the number of 
>> systems I need to get before being successful at getting FreeDOS to boot, 
>> what are the characteristics I need to look for.
>> 
>> BTW the Dell laptop I bought for this works pretty well, but I'm going to 
>> have problems mounting other desktop hard drives to the laptop that the 
>> desktop controller can deal with.  As I understand things, USB limits the 
>> info coming back from the drive.
>> 
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[Freedos-user] Installation as standalone system

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

I'm planning to install Free-DOS on a standalone system to run SpinRite.  I've 
had issues in getting FreeDOS to boot successfully on some systems (the systems 
seems to hang on Init...)

So I decided to get an older desktop with a plan to wipeout what I expect will 
be Windows and install FreeDOS.  I would to minimize the number of systems I 
need to get before being successful at getting FreeDOS to boot, what are the 
characteristics I need to look for.

BTW the Dell laptop I bought for this works pretty well, but I'm going to have 
problems mounting other desktop hard drives to the laptop that the desktop 
controller can deal with.  As I understand things, USB limits the info coming 
back from the drive.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation as standalone system

[Corbin Davenport]

I would think FreeDOS would work fine on any PC with legacy boot enabled,
but extra stuff like USB, sound, and/or networking might need extra drivers
that might not be available.

Corbin
On Feb 3, 2016 12:57 PM, "Wayne Dernoncourt"  wrote:

> I'm planning to install Free-DOS on a standalone system to run SpinRite.
> I've had issues in getting FreeDOS to boot successfully on some systems
> (the systems seems to hang on Init...)
>
> So I decided to get an older desktop with a plan to wipeout what I expect
> will be Windows and install FreeDOS.  I would to minimize the number of
> systems I need to get before being successful at getting FreeDOS to boot,
> what are the characteristics I need to look for.
>
> BTW the Dell laptop I bought for this works pretty well, but I'm going to
> have problems mounting other desktop hard drives to the laptop that the
> desktop controller can deal with.  As I understand things, USB limits the
> info coming back from the drive.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Error

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Hi,

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:34 AM,  f4tm...@web.de wrote:

 I simply took another PC, now it works. Got freedos on the hd.

 Only thing that would be neat is USB mouse support. Read about USBMOUSE and
 added
 dos=high
 device=himem.exe
 device=usbaspi.sys
 device=di1000dd.sys
 to FDCONFIG.SYS - unfortunatelly without success.

First of all, where did you read about this? AFAIK, things like
usbaspi.sys and di1000dd.sys are not provided by FreeDOS (probably
for licensing reasons), only third-party sites. I'm not aware of any
good place that recommends these drivers.

 Is a special driver for that 25pin serial interface necessary?

No idea. And USB overall isn't well-supported. The most FreeDOS
supports is Bret's tools, but I can't guarantee it'll work for you.
IIRC, it's old UHCI only. Try it and see.

http://www.bretjohnson.us/
http://bretjohnson.us/programs/usbdos.zip

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Error

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Hi Mike,

 I simply took another PC, now it works. Got freedos on the hd.
 
 Only thing that would be neat is USB mouse support. Read about USBMOUSE and 
 added
 dos=high
 device=himem.exe
 device=usbaspi.sys
 device=di1000dd.sys
 to FDCONFIG.SYS - unfortunatelly without success.
 
 Is a special driver for that 25pin serial interface necessary?

That usbaspi is for usb disks / usb sticks / cd / dvd
di1000dd is also for usb disks / usb sticks, I think.
For cd / dvd, you would also need additional drivers.
And as Rugxulo said, the above may have license issues.

Usbmouse sounds like one of Bret Johnson's drivers:
Read the manual, you probably have to load his USB
core driver before the mouse one. Maybe you also have
to load ctmouse after usbmouse as a third step.

Note that often the BIOS (if you enable USB legacy
support in the CMOS setup) already makes your USB
mouse look (towards DOS) as if it would be a PS/2
mouse, which you can use with ctmouse (try 1.9, 2.0
or 2.1, if one version fails, another one may work)
without having to load any USB drivers :-)

What do you mean by 25 pin serial interface, do you have
an old 9/25 pin COM port mouse somewhere, not just USB?

Regards, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Error

[Eric Auer]

Hi!

 MD5 is okay and I burnt it with the slowest speed setting (1x).
 Still the same. From the complete base package not a single one could be 
 installed (There were 68 errors and 0 non-fatal warnings.).

If I have to guess: Maybe the installer is on the
virtual floppy drive and the CD-ROM driver does
not recognize your drive? Do you see any FreeDOS
content on the D: or E: drives? In general, there
should be an area with lots of ZIP files with the
packages on your CD: If the installer has issues,
try telling it where the zips are, or if all else
fails, just unzip the files to the freedos dir on
your target disk (e.g. DOS partition on harddisk)
as unzipping is the main install step anyway. You
will still miss the other installer details done
with the ZIPs, but you will have the contents :-)

Eric

PS: Try setting the controller to which your CD/DVD
or BluRay drive is connected to non-AHCI/non-RAID,
using your BIOS CMOS setup.

 Despite of the failed installation the harddisk seems to be bootable 
 because it complains: Loading FreeDOS No KERNEL   SYS
 I guess I just have to put the right files into the proper folder (C:\FDOS)?
 But which files do I have to copy from the CD? The files from the 
 E:\FREEDOS\PACKAGES folder? Unzip them onto the HD?



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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Error

[Don Flowers]

If you want to experiment, you may have to customize a floppy specific to
your PC; then re-burn a CD with your floppy image. I had to do this with an
HP Elite 8000. I eliminated the eltorito.sys driver and loaded UIDE and it
worked fine after that. (also had to do a similar workaround with a Compaq
Armada 1700/1750 laptop due to the CD-ROM being a slave).

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 5:34 AM, f4tm...@web.de wrote:

 I simply took another PC, now it works. Got freedos on the hd.

 Only thing that would be neat is USB mouse support. Read about USBMOUSE and
 added
 dos=high
 device=himem.exe
 device=usbaspi.sys
 device=di1000dd.sys
 to FDCONFIG.SYS - unfortunatelly without success.

 Is a special driver for that 25pin serial interface necessary?


  If I have to guess: Maybe the installer is on the
  virtual floppy drive and the CD-ROM driver does
  not recognize your drive? Do you see any FreeDOS
  content on the D: or E: drives? In general, there
  should be an area with lots of ZIP files with the
  packages on your CD: If the installer has issues,
  try telling it where the zips are, or if all else
  fails, just unzip the files to the freedos dir on
  your target disk (e.g. DOS partition on harddisk)
  as unzipping is the main install step anyway. You
  will still miss the other installer details done
  with the ZIPs, but you will have the contents :-)



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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Error

[f4tmike]

I simply took another PC, now it works. Got freedos on the hd.

Only thing that would be neat is USB mouse support. Read about USBMOUSE and 
added
dos=high
device=himem.exe
device=usbaspi.sys
device=di1000dd.sys
to FDCONFIG.SYS - unfortunatelly without success.

Is a special driver for that 25pin serial interface necessary?

 
 If I have to guess: Maybe the installer is on the
 virtual floppy drive and the CD-ROM driver does
 not recognize your drive? Do you see any FreeDOS
 content on the D: or E: drives? In general, there
 should be an area with lots of ZIP files with the
 packages on your CD: If the installer has issues,
 try telling it where the zips are, or if all else
 fails, just unzip the files to the freedos dir on
 your target disk (e.g. DOS partition on harddisk)
 as unzipping is the main install step anyway. You
 will still miss the other installer details done
 with the ZIPs, but you will have the contents :-)


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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Error

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Hi,

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:59 AM,  f4tm...@web.de wrote:

 I'm getting errors during CD installation of Freedos 1.1 (base + util).

You mean an actual CD-R (or similar) burned with fd11src.iso (40 MB)?
So no virtual machine? Did you verify the md5sum to make sure you
downloaded it correctly?

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/fd11src.md5

2e0ab23bec79ff33071d80ea26f124dc  fd11src.iso

Or maybe you need to reburn it at a slower speed?

 Seems it doesn't find the package:

 ERROR! Failed to install REQUIRED package

Doesn't find what exactly? Or maybe you don't know which piece?

 Path is set to F:\FREEDOS\PACKAGES
 Maybe there's a slash missing at the end but I cannot enter the line (or
 don't know how to).

 What can I do?
 I need that for a very old machine software.

Certainly you don't need full BASE + UTIL at all, only kernel and
shell plus a few other common things. At worst you could do a manual
installation.

So you're trying to run on real hardware? What cpu + RAM? What kind of
software is it, and what does it need (XMS, EMS, DPMI, mouse)?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Error

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Hi,

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:22 AM, f4tmike f4tm...@web.de wrote:

 Yes, the fdllrs.iso is burnt on a CD-R. Didn't verify the checksum and
 didn't burn on slowest speed.

Can you check the md5sum of your existing .iso file? Or did you delete
it? On a different machine?

Also, if possible, burn another CD, this time on slowest speed, to
hopefully avoid errors.

 How does a manual installation work?
 Use a linux live CD and copy a few files on the hard disk?

I'm fairly certain that Linux partitions tools (e.g. GParted) can
create FAT partitions. But it won't be bootable without a boot sector,
which usually needs to be created by SYS.COM, usually from DOS itself.
Although Eric Auer did have a Linux version (using Perl?):

http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/specials/sys-freedos-linux.zip

If you have a floppy drive (or can use a USB one), you can use any old
boot disk to fdisk, format, and sys. That's minimal. Then, after that,
yes you can just copy files as needed.

 Yes, it's real hardware. It's an old Fujitsu Siemens Desktop with 500MB
 RAM. Don't got the specs right now.

 Your hints and questions are already a good start. Thanks a lot!

Good luck.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Error

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Yes, the fdllrs.iso is burnt on a CD-R. Didn't verify the checksum and 
didn't burn on slowest speed.

How does a manual installation work?
Use a linux live CD and copy a few files on the hard disk?

Yes, it's real hardware. It's an old Fujitsu Siemens Desktop with 500MB 
RAM. Don't got the specs right now.

Your hints and questions are already a good start. Thanks a lot!

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Error

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MD5 is okay and I burnt it with the slowest speed setting (1x).
Still the same. From the complete base package not a single one could be 
installed (There were 68 errors and 0 non-fatal warnings.).

Despite of the failed installation the harddisk seems to be bootable 
because it complains: Loading FreeDOS No KERNEL   SYS
I guess I just have to put the right files into the proper folder (C:\FDOS)?
But which files do I have to copy from the CD? The files from the 
E:\FREEDOS\PACKAGES folder? Unzip them onto the HD?


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[Freedos-user] Installation Error

[f4tmike]

Hello,

I'm getting errors during CD installation of Freedos 1.1 (base + util). 
Seems it doesn't find the package:

ERROR! Failed to install REQUIRED package

Path is set to F:\FREEDOS\PACKAGES
Maybe there's a slash missing at the end but I cannot enter the line (or 
don't know how to).

What can I do?
I need that for a very old machine software.

BR
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[Freedos-user] Installation Instruction Error

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https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=Install  states:



  If your computer has no partitions with FAT filesystem yet, you will have to 
create one before you can install DOS. For example GPARTED which is included 
with many Linux distros and many Linux versions which can be run directly from 
CD or DVD (no installation of Linux on harddisk needed) can resize your 
existing NTFS Windows partitions to make space for DOS without having to 
reinstall Windows.




this may not be correct: http://gparted.org/faq.php#faq-14  and 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Instruction Error

[Rugxulo]

Hi,
   There may indeed be bugs in GParted, we don't know.

Long story short: to install DOS, you need to do this:  fdisk,
(reboot), format, sys. Make sure you at least minimally have
KERNEL.SYS (akin to MSDOS.SYS, IO.SYS or IBMBIO.COM IBMDOS.COM) and
COMMAND.COM, preferably something more useful too!

Anyways, WinXP didn't let you resize NTFS, so that's where the real
problem began. However, Vista and Win7 both have an in-built ability
to (mostly) resize your NTFS cleanly, so that is preferred.

For changing the boot sequence on newer Windows (Vista and Win7), your
best bet is probably? something like EasyBCD freeware, as it changed
compared to WinXP and no longer uses the same old BOOT.INI method.


On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:43 PM, nweissma nweis...@verizon.net wrote:
 https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=Install
 states:

 If your computer has no partitions with FAT filesystem yet, you will have
 to create one before you can install DOS. For example GPARTED which is
 included with many Linux distros and many Linux versions which can be run
 directly from CD or DVD (no installation of Linux on harddisk needed) can
 resize your existing NTFS Windows partitions to make space for DOS without
 having to reinstall Windows.


 this may not be correct: http://gparted.org/faq.php#faq-14  and
 http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/viewtopic.php?id=13777

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Instruction Error

[Eric Auer]

Hi Rugxulo, NWeissma,

There may indeed be bugs in GParted, we don't know.
 
 Long story short: to install DOS, you need to do this:  fdisk,
 (reboot), format, sys. Make sure you at least minimally have
 KERNEL.SYS (akin to MSDOS.SYS, IO.SYS or IBMBIO.COM IBMDOS.COM)
 and COMMAND.COM, preferably something more useful too!

Please see below - if you have any Windows data that
could get lost, GPARTED is much better than FDISK as
FDISK will almost always lose data because you cannot
resize with it - you can only delete and create. Note
that you can only resize inactive partitions, so your
Windows (or Linux, if you have it) must be shut down
and not just sleeping while you resize it's disks.

 However, Vista and Win7 both have an in-built ability
 to (mostly) resize your NTFS cleanly, so that is preferred.

That is good to know :-) Note that FreeDOS can only boot
from a primary partition, not extended / logical, unless
you use some advanced tricks. You can have at most four
such partitions, or three if you have any extended ones
or logical ones, which is often a bottleneck. You could
also boot DOS from CD/DVD/BD or USB/SD or similar disks.

You can even let DOS share a FAT partition with an older
version of Windows, with the right boot loader trick. Be
careful to not make your Windows unbootable if you do it
wrong, or have a Windows boot disk around to fix it ;-)

 For changing the boot sequence on newer Windows (Vista and Win7), your
 best bet is probably? something like EasyBCD freeware, as it changed
 compared to WinXP and no longer uses the same old BOOT.INI method.

 On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:43 PM, nweissma wrote:
 https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=Install
 states:

 If your computer has no partitions with FAT filesystem yet, you will have
 to create one before you can install DOS. For example GPARTED which is
 included with many Linux distros and many Linux versions which can be run
 directly from CD or DVD (no installation of Linux on harddisk needed) can
 resize your existing NTFS Windows partitions to make space for DOS without
 having to reinstall Windows.

 this may not be correct: http://gparted.org/faq.php#faq-14  and
 http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/viewtopic.php?id=13777

It is good to know that certain resize operations may fail and
it is good to have a Windows boot disk around if a more and/or
resize made Windows unbootable. However, it is still exceptional
to actually lose data or really break things. In that sense, it
is MUCH better to use GPARTED than to use FDISK, because you do
always lose all data on affected partitions if you use delete
one and create two smaller ones instead of a resize and create.
In general, GPARTED is pretty easy to use and pretty reliable.

Regards, Eric

PS: In a virtual computer, you often reboot by clicking a button
on your real desktop to reset the virtual computer. And if you
only have DOS and no other operating systems in the virtual PC,
there is of course no problem with FDISKing and FORMATting that
virtual PC, as it contains no virtual data that would be lost...

PPS: Note that partition types have size limits. FAT16 should be
circa 35 MB to 2 GB, FAT32 should be at least 270 MB. In theory,
you could make them as small as circa 2.2 or 35 MB respectively.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Instruction Error

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote:


    There may indeed be bugs in GParted, we don't know.

 Long story short: to install DOS, you need to do this:  fdisk,
 (reboot), format, sys. Make sure you at least minimally have
 KERNEL.SYS (akin to MSDOS.SYS, IO.SYS or IBMBIO.COM IBMDOS.COM)
 and COMMAND.COM, preferably something more useful too!

 Please see below - if you have any Windows data that
 could get lost, GPARTED is much better than FDISK as
 FDISK will almost always lose data because you cannot
 resize with it - you can only delete and create. Note
 that you can only resize inactive partitions, so your
 Windows (or Linux, if you have it) must be shut down
 and not just sleeping while you resize it's disks.

Right, I just meant, minimally, at the VERY least, that's all you
need. But in particular, I meant a clean install from scratch with
nothing else pre-existing (no other OSes or important data).

 PS: In a virtual computer, you often reboot by clicking a button
 on your real desktop to reset the virtual computer. And if you
 only have DOS and no other operating systems in the virtual PC,
 there is of course no problem with FDISKing and FORMATting that
 virtual PC, as it contains no virtual data that would be lost...

In other words, virtual / emulated is worthless, so you don't lose
anything. Of course, just backup the image file if you need it for
something semi-important.

 PPS: Note that partition types have size limits. FAT16 should be
 circa 35 MB to 2 GB, FAT32 should be at least 270 MB. In theory,
 you could make them as small as circa 2.2 or 35 MB respectively.

I personally wouldn't recommend FAT32 for 512 MB size partition or
smaller (or FAT16 on 512+), but that's just me. It wastes too much
space to use FAT16 otherwise.

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[Freedos-user] Installation problems (fixed) Networking UP

[Braden C. Roberson-Mailloux]

Greetings all;

 

I managed to remove LILO from my MBR by using xfdisk /MBR. Afterwards, I
used FreeDOS setup to install the standard BootManager.

 

Also, I installed a 3COM adapter and corresponding packet driver. Now, I'm
able to browse the net with Arachne (Arachne comes with TCP/IP support). I
suppose the next step is to setup networking in DOS and mess around with the
WATTCP Tools. 

 

I'm still pretty green when it comes to programming in C. At the moment, I'm
still learning ASM and plan on sticking to it. However, I'm a bit lost when
it comes to finding something to do. I've been looking through some of the
Intel processor documentation. So far, I'm interested in finding out more
about my machine and the components inside it. Does anyone have some
recommendations or guide lines for rummaging around and finding out what is
going on inside those little chips on the motherboard?

 

 

Thanks;

 

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Hi Braden,

 I've formatted my hard disk, installed the boot manager using the option in
 xfdisk and installed freedos. Yet, LILO continues to remain the boot manager
 on my hard disk and only shows LINUX as an available kernel. 

Sure - DOS does not modify files on your Linux partition such
as the LILO configuration, but you can do this yourself from
within Linux. You will find many emails discussing how to do
this when you search in the mailing list archives. There are
also webpages / howtos about booting DOS with Lilo.

 I just received a 8-bit PIC microcontroller with a low pin development
 board. It has a USB interface. Is it possible to program the PIC using a
 language such as FreeBASIC? 

Try the www.georgpotthast.de/usb/ USB stack. The stack itself
is closed source, but it comes with documented examples, even
examples written in BASIC. Basically DOSUSB does the lowlevel
stuff for you and gives you an interface for sending commands.
The license is now free for personal use, but might improve.

 I found a lot of 5 3com Ethernet cards which are supported by DOS.
 They came in the mail not too long ago and I now want to install them.

Find a suitable packet driver and load it to get the lowlevel
support, the rest is done by a TCP/IP stack which is usually
NOT a driver but a library compiled into the apps which use
internet, for example Arachne.

 So, would someone kindly point me to some TCP/IP resources?
 I would like to start messing around with TCP/IP...

A popular library is WATTCP / WATT32 - is free and comes with
some examples, but I think you can also buy extra documentation.

 Eric: I'm still willing to test LBACache. How would you like to
 transfer the files between us? I do believe you have some web space.?

Yes. I guess I just have to repair my homepage which got quite
damaged during a hurried transfer from my old page to the new.

 BTW: I picked up an old AMD 1702A. A mentor at a local Junior College wrote
 up some plans for a writer. If anyone is interested in seeing those plans,
 let me know and I'll try and get them on the net for everyone to see. They
 include plans for the writer and a pulse generator.

A writer?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation difficulties...

[Michael Reichenbach]

John Ames schrieb:
 Okay. I would really like to use FreeDOS, preferrably the full-install CD,
 and definitely with USB disk support. Problem is, the NIC in the computer I
 want to install it on (a 3Com 3C595-TX) does not appear to be recognized by
 either the default packet driver or the manufacturer's DOS driver, unless it
 requires some fiddling with the PCI arguments (which are, frankly, over my
 head.) And a large portion of the packages, including some absolutely
 critical ones like the USB mass storage driver, seem to rely on the
 installer's ability to use wget to download the latest version off the
 Internet. Is there a way around this problem, or am I SOL without a more
 commonly-supported network card?

There are many USB drivers for DOS. You either boot USB or you have USB
legacy support in BIOS or you boot from non-USB and load a DOS USB
driver, the panasonic one works best for me. All infos here:
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.USB

For network drivers read here
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.PacketDriver
also try netbootdisk.

Post back if you have no success. Good luck!

regards,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation difficulties...

[Michael Reichenbach]

Eric Auer schrieb:
 Hi,
 
 Okay. I would really like to use FreeDOS, preferrably the full-install CD,
 and definitely with USB disk support. Problem is, the NIC in the computer I
 
 On modern PC, your BIOS already does USB disk support for you and DOS.

You mean USB legacy support (for storage)?
http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/USB_booting#BIOS_USB_booting_.22standards.22

I haven't seen USB legacy support in much recent BIOS's, but therefore
more and more working USB booting implementations. Disadvantage of USB
booting: does not work if you want to boot from internal harddisk and
attach and additional USB, then you need a DOS USB driver.

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[Freedos-user] Installation problems

[Braden C. Roberson-Mailloux]

Hi guys;

 

I've formatted my hard disk, installed the boot manager using the option in
xfdisk and installed freedos. Yet, LILO continues to remain the boot manager
on my hard disk and only shows LINUX as an available kernel. 

 

I just received a 8-bit PIC microcontroller with a low pin development
board. It has a USB interface. Is it possible to program the PIC using a
language such as FreeBASIC? 

 

I found a lot of 5 3com Ethernet cards which are supported by DOS. They came
in the mail not too long ago and I now want to install them. So, would
someone kindly point me to some TCP/IP resources? I would like to start
messing around with TCP/IP and am only about 1/5 of the way through Charles
Petzold's Programming Windows. So far, I've learned to draw to the screen.
But, I'm super eager to really explore the internet. Plus, I need some
character mode programming experience using C\C++. Any resources and
suggestions are greatly appreciated. 

 

Eric: I'm still willing to test LBACache. How would you like to transfer the
files between us? I do believe you have some web space.?

 

BTW: I picked up an old AMD 1702A. A mentor at a local Junior College wrote
up some plans for a writer. If anyone is interested in seeing those plans,
let me know and I'll try and get them on the net for everyone to see. They
include plans for the writer and a pulse generator.

 

 

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[Freedos-user] Installation Problems

[usul]

Hello I am having problems installing the current version.
I get everything completed and it seems to be ok,
fdisked and set 2g to the os as primary partition, active
and after booting from the CD Rom I can go to the c:
and see all the files including the system ones.

but when I try and boot from the harddrive after I go through all the system
checks
I get a blank screen. no cursor, no beeps etc nothing.
If I then boot from the cd I can see everything on the harddrive.

I tried out of fustration to install Puppy Linux. and that worked.
Could it be working because Puppy did something else to the mbr or because
of grub the bootloader?
any thoughts here?

it is a
Fujitsu LifeBook 770Tx
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problems

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Hi Usul,

 Hello I am having problems installing the current version.
 I get everything completed and it seems to be ok,
 fdisked and set 2g to the os as primary partition, active

You can easily use more with FAT32 and LBA...

 and after booting from the CD Rom I can go to the c:
 and see all the files including the system ones.

 but when I try and boot from the harddrive after I go
 through all the system checks I get a blank screen.
 no cursor, no beeps etc nothing.

 If I then boot from the cd I can see everything on the harddrive.

Please explain what all the system checks means, do
you get only the BIOS init or do you get at least some
message like FreeDOS or Initdisk before the blank?

Sometimes harddisks come with non-bootable MBRs, then
marking as active is not enough. You could do something
like FDISK /MBR but be aware that this will often
destroy other boot menus such as GRUB... Which in turn
can be fixed by re-installing GRUB, of course ;-). It
is also possible that the SYS C: part somehow failed
but then you can just run SYS C: manually once more.

To check whether your C: drive is SYSed with FreeDOS,
use the tool OSCHECK from your install CD or from WWW.

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[Freedos-user] Installation difficulties...

[John Ames]

Okay. I would really like to use FreeDOS, preferrably the full-install CD,
and definitely with USB disk support. Problem is, the NIC in the computer I
want to install it on (a 3Com 3C595-TX) does not appear to be recognized by
either the default packet driver or the manufacturer's DOS driver, unless it
requires some fiddling with the PCI arguments (which are, frankly, over my
head.) And a large portion of the packages, including some absolutely
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installer's ability to use wget to download the latest version off the
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation difficulties...

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Hi,

 Okay. I would really like to use FreeDOS, preferrably the full-install CD,
 and definitely with USB disk support. Problem is, the NIC in the computer I

On modern PC, your BIOS already does USB disk support for you and DOS.
For the others, you can try the USB drivers made by Georg Potthast:

www.georgpotthast.de/usb/ (see also Sioux server, NIC driver page ;-))

 want to install it on (a 3Com 3C595-TX) does not appear to be recognized by
 either the default packet driver or the manufacturer's DOS driver, unless it
 requires some fiddling with the PCI arguments (which are, frankly, over my
 head.) And a large portion of the packages, including some absolutely

You should give some more details about why the manufacturer driver
fails. Any error messages? Did you try NwDSK yet? www.veder.com/nwdsk/

 critical ones like the USB mass storage driver, seem to rely on the
 installer's ability to use wget to download the latest version off the
 Internet. Is there a way around this problem, or am I SOL without a
 more commonly-supported network card?

On the FdDependencies page on the fd-doc wiki, you can see that mostly
the following use internet (invoke wget) during install:

FProt, ASPI, SCSI (not needed for BIOS drives), USBDOS, VIA (VIA audio)

Also, wget, wattcp, fdstpop, bsflite, lnxsmal, lynx, lynxex, openxp,
vnc, hxrt and arachne can be useful online. XHarbor and OWatcom are
very big (XHarbor also requires OWatcom).

I would recommend to NOT install any of the use internet during
install packages initially, as internet connections often hang
at this point. You can add and finetune internet drivers later.
And of course you can download ZIPs with any other system where
the internet does work and then unzip them on your DOS drive :-).

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Re: [Freedos-user] installation of freedos

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Hi,

 I have a hard disk partioned c:,d:,..
 Want to run a multiboot system with freedos on c:, XP
 on d:, and then LINUX desktop, as well as the external drives.

 My system is P4 XP PRO 2GB ram,148 GB disk,160GB usb disk.
 I have the ISO files of the freedos site on hard disk.
 Would like to know specifics of getting Freedos, XP, Linux
 system going, currently no Freedos on sys.

So you already have XP and Linux on harddisk... In that case,
you probably have XP on NTFS and your Linux already has a
boot menu. DOS cannot use NTFS, so if you have one NTFS and
one FAT partition, DOS will only see the FAT partition and
call that one C: (there are tools like NTFS4DOS if you want
to access files on NTFS later). Drive letters in XP are more
or less arbitrary.

If all that is the case, just make sure that after you boot
DOS, your XP drive is not C: but either D: or invisible,
and then install DOS to C:. Next you can tell your Linux
to add a boot menu item for DOS. If you cannot find an easy
way to do this via a menu, then you should search the web
for information how to edit GRUB menu.lst or LILO lilo.conf
to make a DOS menu item. The topic has been mentioned on
this mailing list, too, so look at our archives :-).

Eric

PS: You either have to boot a real CD or DVD from the ISO
or have to use some special tools like sys-freedos-linux,
you cannot run the installation from inside XP. You can
unzip the files on the CD into a FDOS directory, but you
have to boot from CD/DVD or use special tools to install
a -bootable- DOS on your harddisk.


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[Freedos-user] installation of freedos

[rfryer]

Hi
I have a hard disk partioned c:,d:,..
Want to run a multiboot system with freedos on c:,XP on d:,and then LINUX 
desktop,as well as 
othe external drives.
My system is P4 XP PRO 2GB ram,148 GB disk,160GB usb disk.
I have the ISO files of the freedos site on hard disk.
Would like to know specifics of getting Freedos,XP,Linux system going,currently 
no Freedos on sys.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation hangs at Configuring DHCP

[Aniruddha]

On Thursday 20 December 2007 23:03:14 Eric Auer wrote:
 Hi Aniruddha,

   I try to install FreeDOS on an old Compaq but unfortunately the
   installation hangs at Configuring DHCP. Is this a known bug?
   How can this be fixed?
 
  The only way I could leave was shutting down the pc (ctrl+C didn't work)

 This is a known problem. If you do a FULL (not only base) install,
 several packages will be downloaded from internet, but it is not
 at all easy for FreeDOS to automatically configure the internet.
 It often hangs. I think it should not be done like that by default.


Thank you for your answer. I didn't find a base install option though. How do 
I activate it?

Regards,

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[Freedos-user] Installation hangs at Configuring DHCP

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I try to install FreeDOS on an old Compaq but unfortunately the installation 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation hangs at Configuring DHCP

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On Thursday 20 December 2007 19:05:09 Aniruddha wrote:
 I try to install FreeDOS on an old Compaq but unfortunately the
 installation hangs at Configuring DHCP. Is this a known bug? How can this
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 Regards,

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation hangs at Configuring DHCP

[Eric Auer]

Hi Aniruddha,

  I try to install FreeDOS on an old Compaq but unfortunately the
  installation hangs at Configuring DHCP. Is this a known bug?
  How can this be fixed?

 The only way I could leave was shutting down the pc (ctrl+C didn't work)

This is a known problem. If you do a FULL (not only base) install,
several packages will be downloaded from internet, but it is not
at all easy for FreeDOS to automatically configure the internet.
It often hangs. I think it should not be done like that by default.

My standard recommendation is to install without the packages which
require internet during install. Of course you can always add the
internet stuff again later :-). For a list of packages, check:

 I would recommend to install without network, see:
 http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdInstall
 You can find a list of internet-using packages here:
 http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdDependencies
 ...

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation

[Carl]

On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 12:02 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is it still possible to install it without a cdrom, and if so where do I
 download this version.
 
 Also is there anyway to get it to recognize a wireless card on a laptop?

move the drive to a system with cdrom for the install.
then put it back and tweek whatever.  

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation

[Eric Auer]

Hi Aitor,

actually the floppy distro is not THAT old. It is actually
based on FreeDOS 1.0 :-). However, it has been waiting for
some clean up work for a while - you have to download THREE
files to get the best versions of all parts, while it
would be much better to have ONE combined download. Maybe
somebody wants to help with some maintenance? Thanks ;-).

Eric

SNIP --
  Joris made a 8086 compatible variant --
  http://www.xs4all.nl/~rjoris/freedos.html
  of the first diskette --
  http://www.bootablecd.de/test/ ( http://www.bootablecd.de/freedos/ )
  of the three diskette distro --
  http://www.coli.uni-saarland.de/~eric/threediskettes-freedos10.zip
-- SNAP

PS: Also check
http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdInstall
http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdDependencies

 There used to be a floppy distribution, but I guess it hasn't been
 updated for a while, so would be useless. As for wireless stuff, seems
 to me a bit too sofisticated for DOS, but I don't know.

  Is it still possible to install it without a cdrom, and if so where do I
  download this version.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation

[Aitor Santamaría]

There used to be a floppy distribution, but I guess it hasn't been
updated for a while, so would be useless. As for wireless stuff, seems
to me a bit too sofisticated for DOS, but I don't know.

Aitor

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[Freedos-user] Installation

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Is it still possible to install it without a cdrom, and if so where do I
download this version.

Also is there anyway to get it to recognize a wireless card on a laptop?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem - PANIC: MCB chain corrupted System halted

[Johnson Lam]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:48:54 +0400, you wrote:

Hi,

 Not enough information: which config.sys and autoexec.bat content on
those disk? After which statement in config.sys you get this message (what
you see on screen before this message)? Which kernel and FreeCOM version you
use (do you get latest versions?)?

Cherry Chien replace memory manager and the problem gone.


Rgds,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem - PANIC: MCB chain corrupted System halted

[Johnson Lam]

Hi Arkady,

Sorry, she downloaded the SR9 beta2 ISO and got MCB Chain corrupt, I
told her to try Odin 0.6, well it solve the problem.

The Kernel should be 2035a-unstable.


Rgds,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem - PANIC: MCB chain corrupted System halted

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

5-Июн-2006 11:48 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (cherry chien) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:

cc After reboot from 2G-harddisk
cc Invalid Opcode at 2A18 0EB4 0613 03F2 .
cc dos mem corrupt, first_mcb=
cc prev :|1C 12 CF 00 DF 11 CF 00 C3 E2 00 F0 DF 11 Cf 00
cc notMZ:|1C 12 CF 00 DF 11 CF 00 C3 E2 00 F0 DF 11 Cf 00
cc PANIC: MCB chain corrupted
cc System halted
cc How can I fix the boot problem?

 Not enough information: which config.sys and autoexec.bat content on
those disk? After which statement in config.sys you get this message (what
you see on screen before this message)? Which kernel and FreeCOM version you
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[Freedos-user] Installation Problem - PANIC: MCB chain corrupted System halted

[cherry chien]

Dear
I'm trying to install FreeDos on one system. 

Firstly,I boot from CDROM as safemode,. I 'm trying to 
make a bootable 2G-harddisk.

1. FDISK to create a FAT32 primary partition; 2. make the 
new partition active; 3. reboot; 4. use FORMAT C: /S to format. 


After reboot from 2G-harddisk

Invalid Opcode at 2A18 0EB4 0613 03F2 .dos mem 
corrupt, first_mcb=prev :|1C 12 CF 00 DF 11 CF 00 C3 E2 00 F0 DF 
11 Cf 00 ..notMZ:|1C 12 CF 00 DF 11 CF 00 C3 E2 00 F0 DF 11 Cf 00 
...

PANIC: MCB chain corruptedSystem halted

---Secondly, 
I'm trying to make one bootable FreeDos 1G-Compact Flash card.So I boot from 
CDROM then format c:/s. After reboot from Compact Flash card the result is 
same as 2G-Harddisk

PANIC: MCB chain corruptedSystem halted
How can I fix the boot problem?

Thanks for help.

Cherry
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem

[FreeDOS Ankreuzen]

Yes on some mainbords PC s with PENTIUM II, there is a problem
to install FDOS BETA 9SR2 from CD. 

If it s possibel use a Bootdisk with old FreeDOS Version
and pre-install FreeDOS manually.

Please tell me if you are using a Pentium II or which Mainboard
it is. I ve this problem with a pentium II NMC mainbord 
you should boot the floppy without EMM386!
use fdxms.sys or fdxxms.sys and umbpci.  I ll create a bootdisk. 
OR use the fdosbeta9SR1 !

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Re: [Freedos-user] INSTALLATION fdbeta9sr1

[FreeDOS Ankreuzen]

http://ankreuzen.de/freedos/files/fd9sr1/fdbootcd.zip

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem

[JeffM.]

I am not using a PII. I am using an Abit KD7E with an AMD Athlon xp 
1800 and sr2 won't install. sr1 and several previous releases work.
Jeff

On Tuesday 21 March 2006 22:55, FreeDOS Ankreuzen wrote:
 Yes on some mainbords PC s with PENTIUM II, there is a problem
 to install FDOS BETA 9SR2 from CD.

 If it s possibel use a Bootdisk with old FreeDOS Version
 and pre-install FreeDOS manually.

 Please tell me if you are using a Pentium II or which Mainboard
 it is. I ve this problem with a pentium II NMC mainbord
 you should boot the floppy without EMM386!
 use fdxms.sys or fdxxms.sys and umbpci.  I ll create a bootdisk.
 OR use the fdosbeta9SR1 !

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem

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At 10:55 PM 3/21/2006 +, FreeDOS Ankreuzen wrote:

Yes on some mainbords PC s with PENTIUM II, there is a problem
to install FDOS BETA 9SR2 from CD.

If it s possibel use a Bootdisk with old FreeDOS Version
and pre-install FreeDOS manually.

Please tell me if you are using a Pentium II or which Mainboard
it is. I ve this problem with a pentium II NMC mainbord
you should boot the floppy without EMM386!
use fdxms.sys or fdxxms.sys and umbpci.  I ll create a bootdisk.


As an alternate choice, you might try locating the actual problem, which 
likely is not within EMM386 itself, rather than telling people to use 
obsolete versions of software which won't fix the underlying problem and 
which fail to provide a full range of machine capability and compatibility.


Creating additional bootdisks of old version software rather than 
addressing fundamental problems do not help the situation ,and make the 
multiple FreeDOS version selection even more confusing.





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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem

[Michael Devore]

At 02:07 PM 3/25/2006 -0600, I wrote:
As an alternate choice, you might try locating the actual problem, which 
likely is not within EMM386 itself, rather than telling people to use 
obsolete versions of software which won't fix the underlying problem and 
which fail to provide a full range of machine capability and compatibility.


Also, I'm not talking about the UMBPCI software within the context of 
providing full capability and compatibility, so no flaming e-mail exchanges 
from anyone this time, please.  UMBPCI is fine with me, ok?





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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem

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ftp://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/old/beta9sr1/


On Thursday 23 March 2006 05:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I finally figured out what you mean by sr#1

 I looked all over the Free DOS website for a download of Service
 Release #  1

 Can't find a download for this Release

 Do you see a download posted anywhere for Service Release #  1 ???

 Thank you in advance for looking

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem

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I finally figured out what you mean by sr#1
 
I looked all over the Free DOS website for a download of Service 
Release # 1
 
Can't find a download for this Release
 
Do you see a download posted anywhere for Service Release # 1 ???
 
Thank you in advance for looking


http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freedos/files/
Have you checked one of the mirror sites?

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/freedos/
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[Freedos-user] Installation Problem

[howarddavies3010]

I downloaded the most recent release of Free DOS beta9 Service Release #2 (Dated 11/30/2005) twice and burned bothISO images toCD's via Nero as recommended

Tried several times to install DOS via the CD's

Oneach and every attempt the installation failed

Display screen showed the following results

DOS version 7.10
FreeDos kernal version 0.0.35
CON codepage support (Free DOS DISPLAY) not loaded.
FreeDOS DISPLAY ver. 0.12
Buffers allocated: 002 in TPA, 000 in XMS
Uncompressing and loading UPXed CPI (CPX) file :-).

Invalid Opcode at ...

Invalid Opcode at...

Invalid Opcode at ...

Invalid Opcode at ...

Invalid Opcodeat ..

Program installation freezes up - nothing further happens !!!

Does anyone have any suggestions on what can be done to solve this problem 

Any comments would be greatly appreciated

Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem

[JeffM.]

Same thing exactly going on here. Many others experiencing
the same results. Something is wrong with sr #2. Try this, I haven't 
yet:

Hi, it could be the case that the nlsfunc interaction is what
crashes for you (nlsfunc/display/mode/devel-kernel). Try if it
helps to skip loading nlsfunc (hit f8 at boot, then you are
asked for each driver if it should be loaded). If that helps:
Just remove nlsfunc from your config sys. Then chcp will no
longer work, but you can still use display and mode to switch
codepages manually.

If it doesn't work, try to download sr#1. It works fine.
Good Luck,
JeffM.



On Thursday 23 March 2006 03:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I downloaded the most recent release of Free DOS beta9 Service
 Release #2 (Dated 11/30/2005) twice and burned both ISO images to
 CD's via Nero as recommended

 Tried several times to install DOS via the CD's

 On each and every attempt the installation failed

 Display screen showed the following results

 DOS version 7.10
 FreeDos kernal version 0.0.35
 CON codepage support (Free DOS DISPLAY) not loaded.
 FreeDOS DISPLAY ver. 0.12
 Buffers allocated: 002 in TPA, 000 in XMS
 Uncompressing and loading UPXed CPI (CPX) file :-).

 Invalid Opcode at ...

 Invalid Opcode at ...

 Invalid Opcode at ...

 Invalid Opcode at ...

 Invalid Opcode at ..

 Program installation freezes up - nothing further happens  !!!

 Does anyone have any suggestions on what can be done to solve this
 problem  

 Any comments would be greatly appreciated

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem

[HowardDavies3010]

I saw your suggestion posted before and I have already tried doing 
that

No luck

What is sr#1 ??

Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Problem

[HowardDavies3010]

I finally figured out what you mean by sr#1

I looked all over the Free DOS website for a download of Service Release # 
1

Can't find a download for this Release

Do you seea download posted anywhere for Service Release # 
1???

Thank you in advance for looking

Re: [Freedos-user] Installation problem...

[JeffM.]

This may be true on your pc, however, I have successfully 
installed the last several versions on my pc (since pre release 4 
I think) and not a single thing has gone wrong until this one.
I haven't changed a thing so something definitely went wrong with
sr2. I can still put in the previous releases without troubles.

It is okay, as sr1 works fine for what I'm doing. However, I would
like to let the FreeDOS community know what's happening. Also,
if there is a simple fix I can do on my end I'd like to try it.
Best of luck,
JeffM.


On Saturday 18 March 2006 03:28, Panigaz wrote:
 In one PC that I tried to install gave the same mistake.. I put in
 another gave right.. I believe to be some thing in the bios of the
 pc..




 I had the same exact problem. There is clearly something wrong
 with service release 2. I had to go back and install sr1. I have
 installed the last several releases of FD and they all went in
 flawlessly on this hardware.

 There have been some suggestions made, but I haven't tried
 them yet. Look through earlier postings if you can, subject:
 problems with floppy install. Best of luck to you.

 J.M.

 On Thursday 16 March 2006 11:23, Escorter wrote:
  Hi!
 
  I downloaded the latest fdfullcd.iso, and I burned it at 16x
  speed. I booted my PII from this cd. The booting is going
  fine, but when I start the installation, I get four line of
  Invalid Opcode at... error message, and the system halted.
  What does it mean? And how can I fix it?


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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation problem...

[JeffM.]

Here is a suggestion that you could try to fix the installation
problem. I haven't had a chance to try it myself:

Hi, it could be the case that the nlsfunc interaction is what
crashes for you (nlsfunc/display/mode/devel-kernel). Try if it
helps to skip loading nlsfunc (hit f8 at boot, then you are
asked for each driver if it should be loaded). If that helps:
Just remove nlsfunc from your config sys. Then chcp will no
longer work, but you can still use display and mode to switch
codepages manually.

Looking forward to reading your test results...

Eric

ps: if English is your native language, you are probably not
interested in codepage switching at all anyway.

On Sunday 19 March 2006 17:55, JeffM. wrote:
 This may be true on your pc, however, I have successfully
 installed the last several versions on my pc (since pre release 4
 I think) and not a single thing has gone wrong until this one.
 I haven't changed a thing so something definitely went wrong with
 sr2. I can still put in the previous releases without troubles.

 It is okay, as sr1 works fine for what I'm doing. However, I would
 like to let the FreeDOS community know what's happening. Also,
 if there is a simple fix I can do on my end I'd like to try it.
 Best of luck,
 JeffM.

 On Saturday 18 March 2006 03:28, Panigaz wrote:
  In one PC that I tried to install gave the same mistake.. I put in
  another gave right.. I believe to be some thing in the bios of the
  pc..
 
 
 
 
  I had the same exact problem. There is clearly something wrong
  with service release 2. I had to go back and install sr1. I have
  installed the last several releases of FD and they all went in
  flawlessly on this hardware.
 
  There have been some suggestions made, but I haven't tried
  them yet. Look through earlier postings if you can, subject:
  problems with floppy install. Best of luck to you.
 
  J.M.
 
  On Thursday 16 March 2006 11:23, Escorter wrote:
   Hi!
  
   I downloaded the latest fdfullcd.iso, and I burned it at 16x
   speed. I booted my PII from this cd. The booting is going
   fine, but when I start the installation, I get four line of
   Invalid Opcode at... error message, and the system halted.
   What does it mean? And how can I fix it?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation problem...

[freedos deutsch]

I ve got the same errors with freedos beta 9SR2


invalid opcodes
messages and the installation stopped


First
I have build a new freedos bootdisk, from my collected files.
I have bought a 400 Mhz PC. Installation of FreeDOS
with Emm386  2.08 , Kernel 2035b-csv  works without any
problems.  It s an AMD K6 .

Than i ve tested it with my Pentium II 432Mhz 2GB SCSI
256 MB RAM  System.

the way i have found with Pentium II and special chipsets!
is to use fdxxms and not himem and emm386 but umbpci .
The installation with emm386 in Version 2.02 works fine, it s not the 
new kernel

but emm386 and arachne makes problems to show png and jpg images
the system crashes..
I don t know how to use himem and  emm386 on this PC!
With fdxxms and umbpci there is no problem . Everything works fine.
UMBPCI tells an INTEL 440LX/EX chipset and seems to be required.
There are other Chipsets UMBPCI provides.
I don t know if emm386 provides this in any way.
I think it s EMM version 2.04 on the freedos beta9 SR2, but i don t know 
how it makes

the harddisk bootable after format .
The freedos beta9 sr2 installer could not install freedos on this pc!
A bootdisk or odin with a new himem and emm is not able to install 
freedos for this pc.
After sys c: the system freeze, kernel is not written. Without himem and 
emm it works for the same system.
With new emm386 in config.sys of the pc, opcode errors occurs and system 
stops.

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[Freedos-user] Installation experiences ...

[Marten Feldtmann]

Hello,

I've just tested the ISO-CD image to install the system on two different
machines and - after all - it failed.

The first machine was a ten years old P-II with 390 MByte RAM and I was
not able to boot the burned ISO-CD on that machine (though the other
bootable (I had access to) CDROMS worked).

The next one was a P-IV machine with 512 MByte RAM. The system booted,
but after all I did not managed to install the stuff there.

During one installation (there are several way) I received invalid opcodes
messages and the installation stopped.

Then after about 10 retries I managed to get the installation run through,
but I never managed to make the system reboot - no chance. I always got
the message: PRESS KEY TO REBOOT.

And yes I did sys c: - but it did not help at all.


Keep up doing this work. I like the idea to have a free dos available.

Marten Feldtmann


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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation problem...

[Panigaz]

In one PC that I tried to install gave the same mistake.. I put in another
gave right.. I believe to be some thing in the bios of the pc..

..em uma maquina que tentei instalar deu o mesmo erro.. coloquei em outra
deu certo.. acredito ser alguma coisa na bios do pc..

Panigaz
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Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Installation problem...


I had the same exact problem. There is clearly something wrong
with service release 2. I had to go back and install sr1. I have
installed the last several releases of FD and they all went in
flawlessly on this hardware.

There have been some suggestions made, but I haven't tried
them yet. Look through earlier postings if you can, subject:
problems with floppy install. Best of luck to you.

J.M.

On Thursday 16 March 2006 11:23, Escorter wrote:
 Hi!

 I downloaded the latest fdfullcd.iso, and I burned it at 16x
 speed. I booted my PII from this cd. The booting is going
 fine, but when I start the installation, I get four line of
 Invalid Opcode at... error message, and the system halted.
 What does it mean? And how can I fix it?




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[Freedos-user] Installation problem...

[Escorter]

Hi!

I downloaded the latest fdfullcd.iso, and I burned it at 16x
speed. I booted my PII from this cd. The booting is going
fine, but when I start the installation, I get four line of
Invalid Opcode at... error message, and the system halted.
What does it mean? And how can I fix it?




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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation problem...

[JeffM.]

I had the same exact problem. There is clearly something wrong
with service release 2. I had to go back and install sr1. I have 
installed the last several releases of FD and they all went in
flawlessly on this hardware.

There have been some suggestions made, but I haven't tried 
them yet. Look through earlier postings if you can, subject:
problems with floppy install. Best of luck to you.

J.M.

On Thursday 16 March 2006 11:23, Escorter wrote:
 Hi!

 I downloaded the latest fdfullcd.iso, and I burned it at 16x
 speed. I booted my PII from this cd. The booting is going
 fine, but when I start the installation, I get four line of
 Invalid Opcode at... error message, and the system halted.
 What does it mean? And how can I fix it?




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[Freedos-user] Installation Difficulties

[Matthew Fisher]

I'm struggling to install FreeDos Beta9Sr1 on an old Pentium box with a new
(refurbished) harddrive and no CD drive.  Installing just the base packages
from floppy works, but on startup from the harddrive, it simply sits there,
harddrive not spinning, after the hardware checks.

I've tried to sys c: /bootonly the drive, reformat the drive with and
without the /s option, and now I'm running into an Unknown Previous DOS
operating system.  Error level code: 3 3 error that simply halts the
FreeDOS install process. 

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RE: [Freedos-user] Installation Difficulties

[Matthew Fisher]

Thanks for the quick response.  There's no CD drive in the box, and not one
available, so I can't avail myself of your experimental updated version.

OK, clean install of FreeDOS, harddrive just stops after the PCI hardware
list.  There are 4 weird phone-type ISA cards in the next slots; perhaps
that's where things are going wrong.  Hmmm.

Thanks again.


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 I've tried to sys c: /bootonly the drive, reformat the drive with and 
 without the /s option, and now I'm running into an Unknown Previous 
 DOS operating system.  Error level code: 3 3 error that simply halts 
 the FreeDOS install process.

Don't use /bootonly; FreeDOS install sees a bootsector but no boot files and
calls it an unknown previous DOS OS.  I believe this is fixed in my
experimental CD-ROMs.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation Difficulties

[Bernd Blaauw]

Matthew Fisher schreef:

Still stymied, but I don't actually think it's a hardware question.  After
the install completes, on  reboot it's not actually finding anything to
start up: everything is still in the C:\temp directory, and the post-install
scripts aren't running.


if I recall correctly, FreeDOS attempts to locate the directory where 
SETUP installed files to. So far, only drive C: supported.
If that fails, it means installer didn't complete installing packages 
and then FreeDOS tries to install a core bootable system:

kernel (c:\kernel.sys), shell (at c:\temp) and bootsector.
Only alternative is to switch to the freedos installation directory 
manually and execute postinst.bat there.



Is there a step I'm missing in installing from floppies here? Or a way to
force the next step after a clean install and rebooting with the install
floppy instead of the non-booting hdd?


as above. Boot from diskette, press F5 and pray everything goes OK :)
I'm used to a bit defensive programming, so postinst.bat shouldn't 
depend too much on earlier executed files.


I hope you're able to finish installation. I'm not fond of testing the 
diskette installation procedure, as disk swapping in a virtual machine 
is kind of problematic. New harddrive + a set of diskettes should do 
wonders for me.


Thanks 


Bernd



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[Freedos-user] installation

[Gildor Inglorion]

nice to meet you!!

right now, i am using a Pentium celeron w/Win98 and i
decided to install fdos too.. i downloaded the
bootable cd, and since i have no cd writer, i tried to

 do the installation from the hd
 
 as you guess, it didn't work, so i want to ask if
it's
 indeed possible to make installation from the hd. If
 what i did (clicking the install.exe file) is not
the
 proper way for it, then what it is?
 
 if you think that normally it should have worked, i
 will tell you what problems i encountered and it
 didn't work

PS. may i add, the documentation on the site wasn't
that helpful
 
 thank you for your time

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation problem

[Bernd Blaauw]

Jens Ungerer schreef:
0Stage 3: Create Startup automation file
...
Invalid Opcode at 9D79 F000 0006 0300 0086      4F43 464E 4749
dos mem corrupt, first_mcb=0271
prev 0271:|4D 0800 E7 01 00 00 00 53 44 00 00 00 00 00 00 M...rSD..
notMZ 0459:|06 00 03 86 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00a°
PANIC:MCD chain corrupted
System halted
I think it's the CTTY NUL command in below batchcode, I remember earlier 
problems.
It causes screen output to be not seen.
Your installed FreeDOS is still bootable? if not, just copy 
c:\fdos\kernel32.sys to c:\kernel.sys
No further solution, I'm afraid. A program corrupts the memory until a 
reboot.

Bernd
here's the corresponding batchcode for the installation (BASE set, 
disk01, package samcfg.zip, file postinst.bat):

:infomenu
for %%x in ( %fdosdir% %fdosroot%\nls a:\freedos ) do if exist 
%%x\localize.%lang% set nlspath=%%x
ctty con
cls
for %%x in ( 0 1 2 ) do localize 3.%%x
for %%x in ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 ) do if %step%%x%==û localize 4.%%x
for %%x in ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 ) do if %step%%x%==é localize 5.%%x
ctty nul
%fdosroot%\bin\sleep 1
for %%x in ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7) do if %step%%x%==é goto step%%x
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