Re: [FRIAM] The reductionist blind spot

2009-02-15 Thread Jochen Fromm
Hi, Russell Standish was right, the definitions in the wiki contradict the definitions of Mark A. Bedau. They are more like Chalmers, and less like Bedau. Obviously I have not read Bedau carefully enough. I know the paper from Alex Ryan, but I haven't read it carefully enough, either.. I found

[FRIAM] Emergence: The No-Stats All-Star

2009-02-15 Thread Russ Abbott
After sending the previous message I started reading this (long) article: The No-Stats All-Star - NYTimes.comhttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html?_r=1em=pagewanted=all. Here's a key paragraph. The five players on any basketball team are far more than the sum of their parts;

Re: [FRIAM] The reductionist blind spot

2009-02-15 Thread russell standish
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 02:36:21PM +0100, Jochen Fromm wrote: Hi, Russell Standish was right, the definitions in the wiki contradict the definitions of Mark A. Bedau. They are more like Chalmers, and less like Bedau. Obviously I have not read Bedau carefully enough. I know the paper from

Re: [FRIAM] Stevey's Blog Rants: Rhino on Rails

2009-02-15 Thread Roger Critchlow
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Prof David West profw...@fastmail.fmwrote: Re: programming languages - antipathy to C++ Few questions seem to drive passions more than language choice - The reason for this is that people who program are woefully ignorant or misinformed about the majority

Re: [FRIAM] Stevey's Blog Rants: Rhino on Rails

2009-02-15 Thread Tom Johnson
And I, too, would pay to attend such a workshop. -tj On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Nick Frost ni...@nickorama.com wrote: On Feb 15, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: That's a hard google: GLASS = Gemstone Linux Apache Seaside Smalltalk = http://seaside.gemstone.com which didn't

Re: [FRIAM] Stevey's Blog Rants: Rhino on Rails

2009-02-15 Thread Prof David West
Tom and Nick, The GLASS workshop is the first of many - some will be shorter in duration, but all will be workshops where you have the opportunity to learn and immediately apply your knowledge to real software, not canned examples that some instructor wrote. Future offerings are dependent, to a

Re: [FRIAM] Stevey's Blog Rants: Rhino on Rails

2009-02-15 Thread Tom Johnson
Looking forward to it. Do you have a schedule yet? -tj On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Prof David West profw...@fastmail.fmwrote: Tom and Nick, The GLASS workshop is the first of many - some will be shorter in duration, but all will be workshops where you have the opportunity to learn

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence: The No-Stats All-Star

2009-02-15 Thread Russ Abbott
Nick, I don't think we have an issue. No group genes means that there are groups aren't biological entities in the sense that they have biological genes. Goups work because the genes of the individuals lead to effective group behavior. Those genes could be called group genes, but they are really

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence: The No-Stats All-Star

2009-02-15 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Russ, I think I may disagree that there are no group genes. Well, unless one defines gene in such a limited way that there are no genes at all. Please http://www.behavior.org/journals_BP/2000/thompson.pdf. I apologize for its size., which is stupid and unnecessary, and all my fault. The

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence: The No-Stats All-Star

2009-02-15 Thread Jochen Fromm
Some memes and social rituals can behave like group genes - for example the ten commandments of the bible, or religions in general. They use groups as throw-away vehicles to lever themselves into the next generation. The founder of the Christian religion said For where two or three are gathered