[FRIAM] How do these things WORK?

2011-05-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
How does the momentum get carried down to the ground so coherently? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/

[FRIAM] notice the multiple vortices

2011-05-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Sorry about the commercial at the beginning. There's a skip button. Again, imagine you had a very strong suction device. Could you produce something like this in smaller scale? Why would it be narrower at the bottom than the top? n Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of

Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-06 Thread Mohammed El-Beltagy
A few rhyming lines that came to mind after hearing about OBL's killing. On the death of a terroristy No glory in slaying a monster you made No joy! The debt of injustice must be paid! What justice and honor and values you state? Feed anger with hate, but will hatred abate? Why celebrate? Why

[FRIAM] vol 95, issue 97

2011-05-06 Thread peggy miller
In response to Mohammed Beltagy's few lines of poetry related to Osama Bin Laden's death: Thank you for submitting those. Though this situation is/was one fraught with fear, anger, retaliation, and, as you mention, hatred, we as a country responded in such a way that had me choking a bit on the

Re: [FRIAM] vol 95, issue 97

2011-05-06 Thread Russell Gonnering
With all due respect, tell that to the thousands of innocent Israeli civilians who have been butchered over the last 60 years for the crime of existing. The intentional targeting of civilians as a matter of policy is reprehensible, and attempting to excuse it with moral equivalence arguments is

[FRIAM] Terrorosity and it's Fruits

2011-05-06 Thread Steve Smith
Mohammed - I want to second Peggy's thanks for your thoughts and would like to add the following to hers: I agree with Peggy on most points. Terrorism is always horrific (it is designed to be so) and we should seek to avoid provoking it and prevent it's occurrence and mitigate it's effects

[FRIAM] Big Whorls have little Whorls!!

2011-05-06 Thread plissaman
I missed the initial posting re Vortices!  Can someone kindly repeat the question.  I spent 50 years dealing professionally with vorticity and its curious consequences. Remember the Jabberwock, where his Vorpal sword went snicker-snack!? Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures Expertise is

Re: [FRIAM] vol 95, issue 97

2011-05-06 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 02:26:10PM -0500, Russell Gonnering wrote: I joined this forum hoping it would be a platform to discuss complexity, a subject that has profound implications in the area of my expertise, the formulation of healthcare policy and delivery of healthcare. Instead, I find

Re: [FRIAM] Terrorosity and it's Fruits

2011-05-06 Thread Mohammed El-Beltagy
Thanks Steve and Peggy, you give me more praise than I deserve. I naturally see terrorism as abhorrent and I regret that Russel read my few lines as an attempt to be an apologists for those who attack the US and Israel. I am against any form of violence being exercised against any human being,

Re: [FRIAM] Terrorosity and it's Fruits

2011-05-06 Thread Douglas Roberts
Salaam Mohammed, Speaking as an American, I'm afraid that I can assert with a fair degree of accuracy that percentage-wise, very few Americans are aware of the historical/current events vis-a-vis US interactions with mid-eastern political entities that you so accurately denote below. For reasons

Re: [FRIAM] Terrorosity and it's Fruits

2011-05-06 Thread Steve Smith
I knew we could depend on you Doug! My own twisted optimism is nicely complemented by your, what do you call it, /pragmatism/? Sadly, to first order, I think your description of us as a planet of idiots comes way too close... my only bicker with it is perhaps whether there is something to

Re: [FRIAM] Terrorosity and it's Fruits

2011-05-06 Thread Douglas Roberts
Optimists usually view it as pessimism, Steve. But they're wrong. Realism/pragmatism is my lodestone. --Doug Postscript: To those who wish to run away from the FRIAM list, taking their marbles with them under the guise of *You're not complex enough for me!* let me just say, Don't let the door

Re: [FRIAM] Terrorosity and it's Fruits

2011-05-06 Thread Sarbajit Roy
*But, to say that it is down to some group of human beings who are simply evil and hateful is equally mindless. They US played a significant part in this monster creation. To my mind, the processes of monster creation is still active. That worries me. That must stop.* To use a LoTR analogy, I'd

Re: [FRIAM] vol 95, issue 97

2011-05-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
RussG, A message such as you wrote is ambiguous because it is a demand TO the list to be taken OFF the list. If you simply wanted to be taken OFF the list, the instructions for doing that are at the bottom of every post from the list. So, it sounds like you want us to talk about the decline of

Re: [FRIAM] Terrorosity and it's Fruits

2011-05-06 Thread Mohammed El-Beltagy
I have a question I would like to pose to the group in that regard: Can we model/simulate how in a democracy that is inherently open (as stated in the constitution: for the people, by the people etc..) there emerges decision masking structures emerge that actively obfuscate the participatory

Re: [FRIAM] Terrorosity and it's Fruits

2011-05-06 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
I urge the angry to ask why. Too often storming away from a table is exactly why we never break ground. As to the topic of Complexity , this is one component you never inquired of, Why do sensible people become IDIOTS. How does society create idiots out of men? That was my reason to join long

Re: [FRIAM] Big Whorls have little Whorls!!

2011-05-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Peter, You missed it because the original video-links did not find their way into my messages, for some reason. I have been fascinated by thunderstorms all my life, and particularly by the big ones. So, after every tornado outbreak, I go on the web and watch tornado videos and wonder at

Re: [FRIAM] vol 95, issue 97

2011-05-06 Thread Gary Schiltz
Thanks Nick, someone needed to say that. Sure there are tangents, but as mailing lists go, FRIAM has a pretty high signal to noise ratio. It also has a quite diverse group of participants and lurkers. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't; sometimes we like to jump on the unpopular side of a

[FRIAM] more tornados

2011-05-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Here is one that has a steady picture over a relatively long period of time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HX_L-FDLCc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HX_L-FDLCcfeature=relmfu feature=relmfu The best footage on this one is in the second half. Turn the sound down if the frenetic

[FRIAM] 25:10 video re Andea Rossi with stirring background music and English translation, with details about two previous major inventions that failed wastefully, and public demos from Jan 15 to Apr

2011-05-06 Thread Rich Murray
25:10 video re Andea Rossi with stirring background music and English translation, with details about two previous major inventions that failed wastefully, and public demos from Jan 15 to Apr 28: Rich Murray 2011.05.05 http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/05/05/the-magic-of-mr-rossi-in-english/