Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

Well we certainly agree on that. So should we put it before the Jury? N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

Steven Smith and Stephen Guerin were two of the complex systems scientists our organization (The Center for Emergent Diplomacy) invited to join a conference we organized in Stockholm a few weeks ago--combining our guys with our Swedish network of scientists and policy wonks working seriously on

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

Prof West comments on carbon offsets - "I can't see exactly how my money actually does something other than line someone's pockets; and it feels a whole lot like spitting on a forest fire. There must be a better way to spend my funds." Quite a few years ago i calculated my ecological footprint.

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

Dave writes: < I don't see the point in supporting politicians like Ocasio-Cortez or even Warren and trying to convince people to give up their cars or quit eating meat in order to reduce the amount of carbon being put into the atmosphere, simply because I have zero belief that it will happen.

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 12:16 PM Douglass Carmichael wrote: > We are stuck at the point where, to stay under 1.5 or 2, it is clear that > we must cut fossil fuel extraction and use and there is no existing > politics todo it because it mans loss of jobs, failures of mortgages, > collapse of

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

Saul Griffith interview on energy flows and climate (mitigation/adaptation). Recommended by John Baez. I think "solve" is a little strong, I'd use "address". https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2019/12/28/how-to-solve-climate-change/ As to the issue of climate models being accurate over time...

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Nick, The last sentence simply stated that human activities contribute, almost certainly critically, to the problem. And the only causal factors that we might be able to change are those same human activities. What is being stipulated is that humans, individually and collectively, must be the

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

Hi: Mostly I monitor the group, but today since I'm very much involved in solving the warming issue, I'll offer my argument. First, let's avoid the estimates and look at what is happening. Most agree that storms, earthquakes, fires, and other natural disasters are increasing. Let's just focus

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Per Prof West's comments -- In some cases you state degrees F and in others the scale is unspecified. It is good to keep the scale consistent. The IPCC uses degrees C. For a good overview of the IPCC (including brief summaries of models) see the wikipedia page. Since the IPCC is a large group

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

Nick writes: < Some comments: as a higher-life-form chauvinist, to join you in your opinion, I would have first to assume that human beings didn’t end their existence with a nuclear … um … event. > That's so 20th century. < Second, I guess I am not a utilitarian, because I keep thinking of my

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See the Medea Hypothesis vs the Gaia Hypothesis vs the Fermi Paradox (as

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Marcus, I haven’t known a Marxist for many years, but I think this corresponds to a dictum of Marxist thought: Stop Feeding the Dinosaur! That may, of course, be the best utilitarian strategy, the strategy with the least suffering in the long run. Some comments: as a higher-life-form

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This is the position that humanity is an infection causing the Earth to suffer, right? --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918

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It seems to me the solution is to do nothing. The world has to become relatively toxic and inhospitable. Then people will be unable or unwilling to reproduce, the population will drop, and the earth can heal. From: Friam on behalf of doug carmichael Sent:

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Please see larding below. My larder is still broken, but it should work well enough. Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com

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Let’s say we are able to bring the price of solar generated electricity below that of electricity generated by fossil fuels. This leaves several important questions: Who pays for replacing the gas heater with an electric heater? That includes installation and remodeling costs as well

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Nick, I am not overwhelmingly concerned with steady climate change per se; it is the variability that is the real concern, as you point out. Even more scary are all the side effects as massive migrations that fail to respect existing political boundaries ensue with a concomitant rise in

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forgive me, but "it is clear" implies that there is no other alternative. I don't believe that because I have read myriad ways of remediating the consequences of that use. Those alternatives are expensive, but more expensive than the social and economic consequences of ending fossil fuels? If

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Doug, I happen to agree with your opinion. That’s two. But what can we all agree on. According to mythology, people should reason with respect to impending catastrophe as follows: If a catastrophe impends, I must do x. A catastrophe impends, I must do x. In fact, humans tend

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convict of what? premeditated Gaia murder? voluntary climate slaughter? involuntary climate slaughter? reckless endangerment? conspiracy to commit climate change? accessory after the fact? Not trying to be either specious or difficult. I would be ready to vote in favor of human activity

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We are stuck at the point where, to stay under 1.5 or 2, it is clear that we must cut fossil fuel extraction and use and there is no existing politics todo it because it mans loss of jobs, failures of mortgages, collapse of banks - and starvation. And this is Implies that we must move toward

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See the third "Read More" item on the NASA page cited above. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Wed, Jan 1, 2020,

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Friammers: Let’s constitute ourselves as the “climate change jury”.The jury can have a conviction but only if we all agree. Otherwise we remain a hung jury. So, does the Jury agree that with Dr. Kwok of JPL that “ … sea level rise, disappearing sea ice, melting ice sheets and

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>From NASA: https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/16/is-it-too-late-to-prevent-climate-change/ --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918

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What scares me is recent assertions that we have passed the tipping point and there is nothing we can do about it. I have no references. Frank --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications:

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Dave, I like these questions, and I think The Congregation should take them as a challenge. What can we-all, we who have long association, and a generalized (if somewhat guarded) respect, come to agree upon with respect to climate change and human activity? By what process, with what attitudes,

Re: [FRIAM] Venue on January 3rd

Sounds good .. parking! On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 6:35 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > I thought Saveur worked well. I suggest retuning there next week. > Objections? > > Frank > > --- > Frank Wimberly > > My memoir: > https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly > > My

[FRIAM] climate change questions

Questions, that do NOT, in any manner or form deny the reality of climate change. In 1990, citing the "best scientific models available" stated that because of carbon dioxide emissions, the Earth would warm by an average of 3 degrees Fahrenheit and the U.S. as the largest producer, by an

[FRIAM] occam's razor and software

Nick asked a short time ago if Occam's Razor had a role in software. I am writing something else but it brought to mind Ward Cunningham (inventor of the Wiki) and his dictum to build "the simplest thing that could possibly work." Not exactly Occam, but certainly in its spirit. Of course, in