Just to be clear, not the current issue of Science but another one out of
southeast Asia.
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Glen writes:
``And anyone who takes up arms to achieve anything other than harm reduction,
is falling into the exact same ideological trap the believers are in. ''
Harm can only be defined.
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Amazing what is possible when the usual rules don’t apply, and time and money
is focused on a problem, e.g. #10 below.
https://securelist.com/files/2015/02/Equation_group_questions_and_answers.pdf
As this is a multi-national Russian firm that deconstructed this, it alludes
that all sorts
Steve writes:
Most recently, I worked with other UNM Researchers, Dr's Caudell,
Gilfeather, Lugar, Taha, et al on a project ultimately entitled Faceted
Ontologies which was primarily about building, from open source
Intelligence, knowledge structures, developing a normalized model for
On Fri, 2015-02-20 at 09:26 -0700, Tom Johnson wrote:
Interesting topic here, at least to me. Has anyone ever attended
this?
Have not. Some folks, like catalogers librarians are good at this
sort of thing, it seems very tedious and hard to scale.
To scale it, I would imagine
Carl wrote:
“I thought it was a high-level dance notation at first.”
http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge would probably be better for that.
One might conclude these folks are clearly from the Homo Ludens camp, given the
apparent uselessness of the activity. Nonetheless, a programming model
On 2/15/2015 4:05 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
This also could be considered another salvo *in* the politics of
fear. /If you *don't* approve on my schedule, the unregulated use
of any given promising technology to relieve my specific
life-threatening condition, you are harming me/.
What I would
On Sat, 2015-02-14 at 12:58 -0700, Tom Johnson wrote:
Some interesting observations by a young journalism developer.
There seem to be some connections between journalism and software
development.
There are uber-hard debugging problems that may have some of the
qualities of investigative
Victoria writes:
IN the long run it is more profitable, and much less arrogant.
If I were sick with one of these conditions, I'd be extra special mad if it
approval of these treatments were hung up on the politics of fear.
On 2/15/2015 5:35 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
On the other hand, like so many of us, I can admit to a bias *against*
rapid technology deployment (not necessarily against rapid scientific
development. )
One treatment for relapsing/remitting multiple sclerosis is dimethyl
fumarate. This goes for
Steve writes:
``I don't really trust engineering-thinking (GMO)
to replace evolution... humans and domesticated flora and fauna
co-evolved... just jumping in and replacing things with new and
improved isn't as simple/obvious as one might imagine, I contend.''
Perhaps the only way to learn the
Steve writes:
``I believe we live in the constant fog of the evil you know, working like
crazy to fix the problems that are in our face today, often caused precisely
by the problems caused by our last round of fixes, whilst being willfully
ignorant of an evil we could know but choose not to
Well, now there are people looking to steal the keys to your web
services so they can hold your business web site ransom, for a much
larger ransom. It's either punishment for careless web
administration or nearly impossible to defend against depending on
which expert sound bite you want
Vladimyr wrote:
I have a Circulant Graph that appears very Hamiltonian in 3D and not so in 2D,
but still interesting?
Mathematica recently (ver 10) added a graph analysis capability. It has a
Hamiltonian predicate (HamiltonianGraphQ).
Marcus
Nick writes:
“I thought the whole point was to consider all the branches.”
That’s a good goal, if it can be done. But it’s like saying, “Why don’t we
just kill the terrorists?” Obviously, because there are no maps and schedules
of their activities. It’s hard to find all the branches
Glen wrote:
mgd circa Wed Jan 28 00:06:38 EST 2015:
Consider counting boolean values.
Trial one gives `1', `0', `0'.
Trail two gives `1', `0', `0', and, `GodIsGreat'.
The practical question is whether or not its good or adequate practice
to throw away the outlier. Obviously, I tend to
TL;DR - Current GPU-based password cracking using 20-million word dictionaries
make truly random passwords below 14 characters and nearl all pass-phrases
susceptible to cracking in a relatively short time.
There are an increasing variety of cryptographic algorithms being developed
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 15:25 -0600, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote:
The litigants have no right to enforce their contrived rules on the judges,
or do they?
Yes, it is just a struggle for power. There are no rules.
Marcus
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Owen wrote:
This is not developer level .. its literacy level, understanding the
basics and having a cultural intuition where it all fits in.
I recently advised someone that took Harvard's CS-50 class. Someone with
no experience with programming. Initially she said she wanted rules for
what
Glen writes:
but Harris, having authored so many books, should be much better at it
than he seems to be.
It may not be such a bad approach, depending on his goals. Does he want
to persuade anyone or just a certain type of person?
Wrong approach for a politician, but adequate for tenured faculty
Glen writes:
I feel the same way about Charlie Hebdo and the opinions of Sam Harris
(http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/sam-harris-liberals-like-greenwald-aslan-support-thuggish-ultimatum-of-islamic-terrorists/).
“This ‘respect’ we’re all urged to show for ‘religious sensitivity,’ is
actually
On Tue, 2015-01-20 at 09:18 -0700, Roger Critchlow wrote:
And a month later, though actually submitted two months in
anticipation, scientific research responds with:
http://pnis.co/vol2/s1.html Neural correlates of people waiting to
get into Heaven
They joke that The eventual results
On Sun, 2015-01-18 at 08:30 +0100, Michel Bloch wrote:
When it comes to sacred and key national matters, your Medias can
practice self-censorships which would be unacceptable in France.
Is it an important distinction whether it is the force of government or
the force of sponsors, if sponsors
On Sun, 2015-01-18 at 12:15 -0500, Patrick Dufour wrote:
I don't see any contradiction between the freedom of expression against
concepts and beliefs (such as religions) and the expression of hate speech
against people. A concept should be powerful enough to be believable and
avoid criticism
Russ Abbott quoted the New Yorker:
In other words, you can ridicule the prophet, but you cannot incite
hatred toward his followers. To take two more examples, the actress
Brigitte Bardot was convicted and fined for having written, in 2006,
about France’s Muslims, “We are tired of being led
It was wonderful the range of personal experience we were able to
bring to bear on this subject and the lack of guardedness with which
we were able to explore it given our diverse history.
Another benefit of in-person meetings is that this list fails to
actually deliver all mails!
Marcus
I know... I only occasionally recognize that fact... I think Nick was
the first to notice a while back and suggested that it was a conspiracy
against him alone... which I also feel sometimes...
It is a wonderful outcome if two (hypothetical) agents with
diametrically opposed viewpoints can
Mohammed El-Beltagy wrote:
Such holistic grasp and resultant passion may often accelerate our
understanding of the natural world in the left brain or analytic
sense. This case is very clear in ancient Egypt where that religious
passion gave rise to amazing advances in mathematics, geometry,
A decentralized, secure alternative to Dropbox..
http://storj.io
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I suppose it hearkens back to what we westerners have always been
taught about the relationship between freedom and responsibility. I
relate anonymity to freedom, in the sense that I can say whatever
outlandish thing I want when I’m anonymous, with no direct
repercussions except for
“Why not use your phone and get an app that will make your music available.”
http://gizmodo.com/apple-watch-will-play-music-on-bluetooth-headphones-no-1634369364
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“Why not use your phone
A few years back, there was a visitor, external faculty member, what have
you, at the Santa Fe Institute who wrote a book (I swear!) entitled
Democracy in the Forest. He commuted for a time from UCLA, or some other LA
university. The book title does not pop, although several entries regarding
a
On Fri, 2015-01-09 at 08:39 -0800, glen wrote:
Worse yet, amongst the lay population who _say_ they believe in
evolution, their onion is really more of a hollow spheroid, with a
flimsy outer layer alone.
Sure, religion is just the worst because they do it _on purpose_.
Meanwhile, atheism is
On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 15:17 -0800, glen wrote:
If the US were really more focused on integration, then
wouldn't we treat people like this as criminals and not terrorists?
Or that they are mentally ill and need `retraining'. But that takes us
down the road of recognizing the danger latent in
Victoria writes:
So any belief other than one's own is a delusion?
Subjective experience must run counter to objective evidence to get this label.
A belief that can be represented by a set of features, understandable by
independent observers in a repeatable way is not a delusion. If someone
Glen writes:
(¬Falsifiable ↛ false)
(fantasy ≢ counterfactual)
On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 15:47 -0600, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote:
Time, trial and error improves the operation of delusions.
[..]
So the ultimate goal of terrorism is not to kill all of it's critics
but to make as many as possible
And the skeptical response:
https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/can-science-prove-the-existence-of-god-b6fefdc52588
Do you want or need your belief in a divine or supernatural origin to
the Universe to be based in something that could be scientifically
disproven?
And so believers who
On 1/3/2015 4:00 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
It may be possible to take the whole resulting image and run it under
VMWare Workstation (for Windows or Linux), but I haven't tried. VMWare
Workstation is more though ($250).
So VMWare Workstation 11 can run MacOS X (e.g. Yosemite
Glen writes:
I think probability is a red herring, as is high pop variation of any kind.
I suppose so. But there are situations, especially in biology, where some
aspect of an experiment can be reproduced but only to put a confidence interval
on a correlation. Insisting on experiments that
General relativity predicts gravitational waves. A result of that
prediction, elaborate measurement techniques have been devised like
computational filtering of observatory data (Einstein @ Home) or
superconducting devices to detect polarization of the cosmic microwave
background (POLARBEAR 2).
Glen writes:
``Well, my specific problem is that I think atheists and theists are
delusional. They think they know things they cannot know. So, if Nick's point
is that the concept of theist (or atheist) is too muddy to define
validatable[*] tests for, then, as an agnostic, I would completely
Nick wrote:
Well, 30 or more tiny fm radios placed at strategic locations around the
mother board, might be more like it. No?
Like if a team of two or three aliens came to watch the Earth from orbit,
before there was broadcasting. Relatively speaking, that's how many
individual things they'd
Nick writes:
So when someone proposes a measure of something complicated such as
atheism, it's fair to ask what the validator of that measure would be,
what the measure is actually intended to GET AT. And one of the kind of
standard observations that my kind of psychologist often makes, is that
Marcus' proposal is for _finding_ the correlates to come up with a functional
neuronal biomarker, which might include binding patters across the entire
cortex (eg eeg), which I'd prefer.
I thinking of complex or hypercomplex cells of the visual cortex -- that a
hierarchical combination of
From self-reports, classify a lot of people as being [a]theist.
Randomly select half of the people to be used to generate hypotheses, by
putting sensors on neurons in the prefrontal cortex and ask questions that
would select for consensus builders vs. breakers, [in]tolerance, [anti-]
It seems to me that
one could devise various tests for coherence (e.g. smoothness of some class of
topological transformations), or, hey some behavior makes sense
in some evolutionary context. So, in this sense the coherence is
testable, and may even be said to posses a certain artistic,
But I tend to find that everyone has a little bit of Smullyan in them, which
is why I brought up horror movies. Anyone who likes fiction, whether they know
it or not, enjoys playing with artificial logics. The coherence (or lack
thereof) of any given game doesn't really detract from the game
On 12/18/2014 4:28 PM, glen wrote:
I've been passively looking out for any hint of an objective way to
diagnose whether someone's a[n] [a]theist.
The article referenced in the other thread sums it up. But if you think
that you can’t test it, you shouldn’t put money into the theory either.
The
On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 18:40 -0500, Tom Johnson wrote:
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/does-the-world-really-need-5g/?tag=nl.e099s_cid=e099ttag=e099ftag=TREd8c0fa8
Cabling is insane for large supercomputer installations.
Some systems have more than 50 miles of Infiniband cabling.
Hawks on the left seek to improve the greater good, in part, by ensuring that
those that do not will be ineffective in pursuing their goals. What sorts of
investments and tradeoffs to make in order to achieve this are good topics for
debate among those of this mind.It must depend on who
On Thu, 2014-10-16 at 07:32 -0400, Eric Smith wrote:
I bet the reactor is the power plant in this:
http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/zero-helicopter-concept
which makes it so small and elegant.
At 19388kW, http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/mi-12.php
At 10kW,
On 8/24/2014 1:30 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
The discussion of perpetual motion machines just provides an example
where the anal-retentive can dot the i's and cross the t's to verify
that it is indeed possible to make statements in which one does not
know what one is talking about.
I'm torn:
https://github.com/coolwanglu/vim.js/blob/master/README.md
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What are those attacks initiating from a .mil address south of Ghana?
And why are they mostly attacking the US?!
http://www.voanews.com/content/a-13-2004-11-12-voa42-66870572/376603.html
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the American government,
where location data is unavailable.
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What are those
“Of course, when you are talking about money, people's minds immediately go to
another recently-discussed topic on the list, campaign finance reform and the
related but separate institution of bribery. That is a pretty good example
where transactions should not be private, but that is because
“By allegedly designing the Silk Road to use tools like the anonymity software
Tor and the potentially tough-to-trace bitcoin, she argues that he had invited
drug dealers onto the property.”
“Projects like Darkcoin and Dark Wallet that seek to enable the anonymous use
of cryptocurrency
Open source software is less to have spyware or viruses. That's because the
software is in its preferred high-level form - the recipe is published.
Proprietary software, in contrast, is delivered as a binary. To know
whether bad stuff is in a binary program, a difficult decompilation and
reverse
On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 09:51 -0600, Barry MacKichan wrote:
The HeartBleed bug is an example of a serious, unintentional, problem in
an open source package. In that case, even though the software was
available to millions of eyeballs, not that many actually looked at it.
I suspect only the
On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 09:55 -0700, glen wrote:
Everyone should be using and searching for tools and
content that puts them on the NSA's list, even as the requirements for
that list evolve. That objective is no different than that of working
toward higher quality of life, less hunger, more
But I still don't think it speaks quite to morality?
One thing missing from that approach is how, given some context, to generate
a `moral' behavior, and how to deconstruct why a behavior is moral or
immoral. It's just a context, the union of a set of (presumed) value
systems.. The
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:47 +, Parks, Raymond wrote:
Of course, you could pull off Marcus' idea by sniffing wifi traffic of
real Comcast customers looking for that SSID, changing your server's
MAC to match the Comcast customer, and then running Tor.
Seems likely a neighborhood where one
Hi,
Does anyone, esp. in Santa Fe, have 4G LTE that they use for their primary
Internet connection?
If so, how variable is the performance and how reliable is it? I see T
Mobile still offers unlimited data plans.
Marcus
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On 4/30/2014 11:57 PM, Tom Carter wrote:
Ah, the joys of curses on a vt100 . . . :-)
Install `ed' and learn how to navigate a program only using regular
expressions.
No excuses, it's still maintained (below). Curses?? What's that
pattern matching using the visual cortex?The neocortex
On Thu, 2014-05-01 at 12:32 -0600, Roger Critchlow wrote:
Your ranter should be forced to breath nothing but car exhaust until
he changes his mind.
What a moron. The Volt doesn't need to stop for a charge, but gives the
user option of doing that.
And Tesla has robotic battery swaps that
On 4/21/2014 3:16 PM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez wrote:
I wonder, which one is the most usable NoSQL database. I am guessing,
maybe MongoDB?
I've used db4o for some small projects. Works as advertised. I don't
really have any objection to the relational approach and SQL (query
planners, etc.)
On Fri, 2014-04-18 at 10:45 -0700, glen wrote:
Convenience is the _enemy_.
Convenience has a cost. Pay it. If there is to be centralization, use
economies of scale to detect and adapt to fraud rather try to prevent
it. I agree these schemes to find a trustworthy agent are doomed to
failure.
On Fri, 2014-04-18 at 13:08 -0600, Steve Smith wrote:
As individuals with enlightened self interest it would seem to be in
our interest to understand how these things work and work *with* them
rather than continue to try to brute-force *engineer* these things.
In the social context, it is
On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 21:37 -0600, Steve Smith wrote:
The public is trained to look for simple, linear relationships between
things and zeroth order effects, I'm just calling for the development
of a broader and deeper description of these very relevant problems.
Is it possible that we might
I think the notion of an attractor survives the dimensionality problem.
It seems clear that patriarchy is a stable attractor. I don't know
why, of course.
Because it is by definition? If people are persuaded or forced to
participate in matriarchy, patriarchy, or kyriarchy then it
On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 13:53 -0600, Steve Smith wrote:
I believe that our common understanding of such problems as
gender/race inequalities tends to be too simple which might explain
why progress in the domain is both slow and somewhat herky-jerky.
A master equation for an economic system will
On Mon, 2014-04-14 at 10:05 -0700, glen wrote:
On 04/14/2014 09:38 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:
If we were dedicated to filling that basin, what would
that look like?
It would look like an understanding of merit and reward that addressed
as many dimensions of a human and its environment as
On 4/13/14, 12:29 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
I think a lot of Apple's success can be attributed to Steve Jobs'
tendencies in this area. I'm not saying that his sense of consumer
products and design style wasn't important but I think maybe his
general management and/or leadership style, might have
On 4/13/14, 1:31 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
Both did it by making the team company goals *very* clear, and in a
broad context. Why were we different? What is our goal? Why? How
is the rest of the Valley looking at this? Why did my part matter.
Hey, is this one of those sunny California
On 4/11/14, 10:44 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
Then some poultry husbandry professor got a bright idea. Instead of
breeding chickens by the individual, he bred and selected them by the cage,
so that it was the best CAGES that got to parent the next generation.
If you want to extend this metaphor
On 4/12/14, 11:32 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
On 4/12/14 11:30 AM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
Sorry--it was late and I was getting goofy. I remembered an old joke
about physicists and chickens. Neither you nor I are physicists, but
we do have to contend with them sometimes.
And they are all spherical
On 4/12/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
Yeh... since my wife slipped blowfish shashimi onto the sushi tray
I've had to trim my beard with toenail clippers... who would have
guessed that transgenic effects were so easy to obtain?
An unfortunate case of role suction..
Marcus
On 4/12/14, 9:02 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
It would be interesting to know if the most enduring and productive
corporations are led by assholes, or if, suppressing the competition within
corporations leads to better corporations.
Crowdfunded private intelligence?
Marcus
On 4/10/14, 5:09 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
A very North American (and simply human, I suspect) perspective. I
don’t have personal experience, but I believe the more “advanced”
democracies of the world have recognized this tendency and legislated
to regulate it.
To actually regulate it, it would
On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 09:50 -0700, glen wrote:
The asymmetries being amplified by our new openness are simply
different from those that dominated before the openness. Our new
masters will be (are, actually) people like the brogrammers ... people
like Musk and Schmidt. And it's not really
On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 10:26 -0700, glen wrote:
2) experiment and analyze for the types of manifolds that lead to
more/good symmetry, then support those.
Symmetry of what? What is an example of such a manifold?
Marcus
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Well, most of us, I think, agree that symmetry with respect to female
and male compensation is a good symmetry. So, there's one example.
The problem there is gender culture, and the objectionable enduring
aspects of that could be eliminated with some biochemical tuning.
Weaken or strengthen
On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 11:49 -0700, glen wrote:
That's overshooting just a bit... too easy of a target to knock down
because too few people would volunteer.
There are Sunday morning advertisements on TV for roll-on testosterone!
And of course it is very common for women to take hormone
On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 13:35 -0600, Nick Thompson wrote:
Doesn’t a meritocracy favor the children of the meritorious,
irrespective of their own merit? Doesn’t a meritocracy favor those
who disregard their families?
If the first sentence is true, then they aren't disregarding their
families.
On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 14:21 -0700, glen wrote:
Again, we're limited by our binary, unidimensional, and translational
understanding of merit and the reward for merit. That
limited/ambiguous understanding is the root of the problem. And it's
why both Nick and Marcus are both logically right
On 4/11/14, 8:19 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
And, it [Prozac] moves monkeys up the hierarchy.
New monkeys are at least a novelty compared to the old monkeys.
Marcus
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On Thu, 2014-04-10 at 10:20 -0600, Joshua Thorp wrote:
according to
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/04/heartbleed.html
http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/55382/heartbleed-read-only-the-next-64k-and-hyping-the-threat
apparently the bug gives access to 64K chunk of ram
Astra Taylor writes:
``Those women who do fight their way into the industry often end up
leaving -- their attrition rate is 56%, or double that of men -- and
sexism is a big part of what pushes them out. “I no longer touch code
because I couldn't deal with the constant dismissing and undermining
Steve writes:
More than anything, I
find that a healthy team can help a new member find resonance with the
teams values and habits (work ethic, quality work product, open
communication, etc.) while an unhealthy one can undermine an
individual's natural instincts or choices.
I argue that
On Thu, 2014-04-10 at 15:25 -0600, Roger Critchlow wrote:
So, what's the question here?
[..]
Or are you thinking that maybe all those white male losers got their
skills and jobs through some sort of structural inequity that tilted
the competition in their favor?
There's a third possibility,
On Thu, 2014-04-10 at 16:22 -0600, Nick Thompson wrote:
But if we are to get out of this mess, and if we believe families are
important to human individual and collective well-being, we have to
find a way to counter the perverse incentives that afflict corporate
managers.
IMO, lurking in
On Thu, 2014-04-10 at 16:38 -0600, Steve Smith wrote:
The original (implicit) question was *does* Openness amplify
Inequality as a matter of course?
Reading over the essay again, all she seems to notice are abusive
misogynistic trolls. I guess if they could be compartmentalized and
kept from
On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 16:07 -0600, Tom Johnson wrote:
Perhaps I'm late to this latest party hosted by Wolfram, but has
anyone on the list worked with this? If so, what were your results?
http://www.wolfram.com/language/ looks to me like Mathematica + domain
libraries + marketing.
Marcus
Macros (in the Lisp sense) are still, as far as I know, unique to
Lisp. This is partly because in order to have macros you probably have
to make your language look as strange as Lisp. It may also be because
if you do add that final increment of power, you can no longer claim
to have invented a
On 3/4/14, 11:33 AM, glen wrote:
Although I haven't participated, I think we can learn quite a bit from
the outright generosity shown by Kickstarter participants.
To me it is important to believe there are things inherently worth
doing, and that there is someone that wants to do them and a
On 3/4/14, 1:12 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
I'll probably trigger Marcus again if I suggest collecting funds to
build a neighborhood park
Can we make it the Glowing Plant park? http://www.glowingplant.com/
Marcus
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On 3/3/14, 8:18 AM, Grant Holland
wrote:
I worked for some of the best computer companies around over the
next many years (Univac, Sun Microsystems, (with) Seymour Cray,
others) and saw nothing but a steady decline in the centrality of
On 02/24/2014 10:12 AM, glen wrote:
Email? Buy your own domain name and a virtual private server from a
local hosting company ... again, have them install Debian on it for
you. Pay them to set it up, if you have to. Use that for your e-mail.
On 2/24/14, 12:03 PM, glen wrote:
Well, it's less about grudges or even disagreements about business
practices or technology, and more about what you _learn_ from using a
service/tool. If the objective is to learn, which I argue it should
be, at least to some satisficing extent, then you
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